Dana White: Junior dos Santos can fight again -- just not against Cain Velasquez
by Jesse Holland on Mar 24, 2010 8:40 PM EDT
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"Dos Santos got himself in the mix the other day. If you question whether he should be or not, he showed you the other night that he should be. The great thing is, a guy asked me out there, 'Are you going to do Cain Velasquez against dos Santos now?' The way I see it is, and the way my luck has gone lately, with injuries and stuff, I think you keep these guys in line. You've got Mir and Carwin fighting, whoever comes out, if the winner doesn't have any cuts or break his hand or anything like that, he goes right out and fights Brock Lesnar this summer. Then you've got Cain Velasquez waiting in the wings for the next fight. Then you've got dos Santos ready for the next one. I like having those guys in line and we'll have a lot of good fights -- title fights that people actually care about. (Dos Santos) can fight again. It's not like we're going to put him on the bench and say, 'Oh, we'll hold you here.' But you don't have him fight Cain Velasquez. If he loses along the way to somebody else, he definitely wasn't ready for Lesnar or whoever the champion is."
UFC President Dana White quickly dismisses any possibility of a heavyweight number one contender bout between Junior dos Santos and Cain Velasquez, despite their similar rise to power within the division. After Brock Lesnar defends his belt at UFC 116 against the winner of Shane Carwin vs. Frank Mir at UFC 111, Velasquez will get his chance at the title while dos Santos continues to work his way through the current crop of aspiring heavyweights. Is the Brazilian getting a raw deal? Or is White simply doing what's best for the division?
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yea god forbid we get to see cain vs dos santos, i mean who really wants to see that fight?
lets give mir 2 title shots in a year even after a loss…“oh wow mir is on a one fight win streak, he deserves another crack at the title”
fuck that….
he should be fighting cain….but then again, who really wants to see cain vs dos santos right? who really wants to see the greatest ufc match up possible?
yea bring on brock/mir 3, thats what the fans really want to see
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
by HellaHectic on Mar 24, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big Flop
I feel like the UFC just let one of the best possible matchups pass through their fingers. Let alone the fact that it only makes sense to match JDS with Cain
JDS and Cain are both really young, I'm sure that they'll meet sooner or later
But dude, if Mir beats Carwin, then I think he definitely deserves a title shot. The way he beat Kongo is impressive, and if he finishes the undefeated Carwin impressively, then by all means, get the man a title shot. If anything, Cain is getting shafted here too. KO’s a healthy Big Nog. Who does Cain fight now? Does HE wait 8 or 9 months for a title shot?
JDS, while legit, still does not have enough right to a No. 1 contender. He has potential, im not arguing that at all, but his resume isn’t up there. the Werdum fight is long gone now, that momentum is done. Ko’ing everyone he fights is very impressive, and if he gets by the next guy (im guessing… Kongo? Schuab? Nelson?) then he will be 6-0 with 6 ko’s.
Heres where you need Timmeh. Big name, big target, good win for JDS.
My breakout fighter for this coming year: Terry Etim
Upset of the Year: John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
"Yeah, hes getting molested here." -Joe Rogan at UFC on VS 1
For the record, I'd LOVE a JDS/Cain match.
but i think Cain would win.
My breakout fighter for this coming year: Terry Etim
Upset of the Year: John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
"Yeah, hes getting molested here." -Joe Rogan at UFC on VS 1
respect your opinions bro, it’s hard for me to wrap my head around Cain looking close to dominant against a fighter like JDS. All I picture is Cain getting ‘lights out’. Sorry for the terrible Toney reference
Cain/Dos Santos shouldn’t be fighting each other now, they should be fighting for the title. And if one of them wins you have them square off in a title fight.
Silly to hear Dana say JDS got himself in the “mix” ? WTF. He’s been in the mix for a year now. And Werdum was undoubtebly his best opponent yet.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
JDS stated he wasn't ready for the mix but the truth is he wanted his partner
NOG to get the first chance, since NOG lost he then stated after his latest win he was ready.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
you nailed it PH
That was my first thought back when he said that too…respect for his mentor and respectful willingness to wait his turn.
Well this sucks...
This is the only fight that makes sense. If they put it on the same card as Lesnar-Winner of Carwin Mir then the next fight is already promoted and money. But then again like you guys are saying these guys are young and i am will never complain about a prospect getting ring time to master his craft.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 24, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Cain's boxing will be good enough to mask his takedowns.
He changes levels very quick and fluidly, and has quick combo’s. this keeps his opponents thinking not just about defending the takedown. I think Jds will land on Cain, but Cain’s got a good chin, and if he (cain) doesn’t TKO JDS, then he’d at least win a decision.
My breakout fighter for this coming year: Terry Etim
Upset of the Year: John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
"Yeah, hes getting molested here." -Joe Rogan at UFC on VS 1
It would be interesting for sure
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
We don't even know how good/bad JDS is on the ground. He got up quick against GG, but that was speed, not much technique.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Exactly that didn't tell us anything aside that GG doesn't shoot TDs well.
Even in his previous fights, he only goes to the mat once he chops guys legs from under them and they fall.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 24, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd Hate
to see a fight like JDS | Cain go to decision. I’d want to see one dominate the other, if for no other reason then to verify that they have what it takes to hold the title
JDS and Carwin both have questions for sure
and really Cains stand up is still not proven looked good against NOG but really not tested. Mir is the most proven at this point but if these guys prove there question marks they could be just as good if not better.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Cain and JDS are both getting cheated out of title fights
And it’s not JDS’ fault that the UFC won’t let him fight the top guys, at this rate he’s going to end up KO’g the whole division and still be kept out of the title picture.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I know, I don't get it either
he has TKO’d 5 guys in a row, one of whom formerly fought for the title and another of whom is a former pride GP champion. He couldn’t possibly have performed better than he has. I don’t know why the UFC keep giving him fights like Yvel… anybody who knows this sport knows that JDS is better than that. The fact is that JDS and Cain are both turning into big cash cows for the UFC right now, and if they make them fight then one of them will lose their marketability. I personally think that Cain would win, I really like JDS but honestly, he is un tested against a good wrestler and under those circumstances, it’s hard to bet against a guy like Cain.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 25, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
i have no idea how you guys fell their being screwed out of a title shot
Dana practically said they could both fight Lesnar if it weren’t for time restrictions. He doesn’t want either to lose before they get their shots, which will be asap. Cain will be next and will face winner of Lesnar vs Mir/Carwin, and JDS will have one more lesser dangered fight to stay active til he faces winner of Cain vs current champ.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 25, 2010 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dana White is becoming more and more of a boxing promoter
He always says the UFC gives the best fights possible. THIS IOS THE BEST FIGHT POSSIBLE.
In Boxing they Pad the Records of the up and comers to make them look legit once they get boosted to the next level. This sounds like what hes planning for JDS. I knew this fight made too much sense for the UFC to do.
sack up and give thte fans the fight they wanna see most
Loyality before Reality
Lets wait to see who wins this weekend and if a fight against Lesnar gets announced
That will leave Cain against somebody for the next shot and if Cain loses by chance that will leave JDS as back up believeing he will win his next fight. I see what Dana is getting at but if the winner of Carin and Mir are able to fight why not have the Cain vs JDS fight made, I can see not making that fight happen until the winner of Mir and Carwin are cleared to fight in the summer.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
True, maybe Mir and Carwin beat the shit out of each other and can't fight in time.
Then Cain gets Brock, JDS gets the winner of Mir/Carwin and we are all happy again.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
That's what I'm hoping for
Carwin breaks his hand on Mir’s head as he KO’s him, Cain gets the title shot, Junior KOs Carwin, then Brock/Cain fights Junior for the belt. As for Mir he sits on his chair at home getting fat on cake and beer while watching old tapes of his fights, bitching about what might have been.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
lol. nice.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I'd settle for that scenario.
But i actually like watching Mir fight. Now that he’s rounded out his game to add a big of striking (before, there was NOTHING), it makes for more interesting fights. Keep him around. I’d like him to face Gonzo, Cain, JDS, Nog again, Nelson. Just dont fight Brock anymore. Fastest trilogy of fights ever, Mir and Brock. Three fights in, 3 years.
My breakout fighter for this coming year: Terry Etim
Upset of the Year: John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez
"Yeah, hes getting molested here." -Joe Rogan at UFC on VS 1
JDS should the title fight first personally I think JDS resume is way better than cain,Cain beats a slow washed up NOG beats Ben Rothwell (who is not as good as he thinks he is)a turtle on his back like Kongo who he didnt even finish sorry but that does not warant a title shot in my eyes,JDS has stopped werdum,finished struve same with cro cop as well as Ivel and dismantled Gonzaga this guys fights have been way more dominant and way more impressive I mean Cain had a hard time finishing Stojnic come on truth of the matter is I cant say who deserves the shot more but I know one thing we can settle it with them fighting eachother,Im sick of Dana White after every JDS fight “this guy put himself in the mix tonite”What does that mean he gets to fight a can while MIR gets his 10nth title shot there givin this guy the COUTURE treatment thats bull so much for the UFC givin the fans the fights they want to see I dont know about anyone else but I rather watch Carwin,CAINand JDS fight BROCK next, it sucks we might actually seeMIR vsLESNAR fight again for the third time in to years
only problem i have syn is that
JDS resume is wayy more imperssive than Carwins, and arguably Cains (although cain probly gets the nod after the Nog fight)
Loyality before Reality
why all the hate for mir/lesnar 3?
they are 1-1 with each other. a rubber match makes sense, especially since mir is winning. He EARNED the shot for the belt against lesnar. he stopped big nog-which is a HELL of alot more impressive than taking herring to a decision and getting a title shot for it. yeah, nog had staph. so mir’s win should be totally discredited and discounted? “oh, sorry frank, even though you stepped in the cage and fought your idol who you admitted to being afraid of fighting, and stopped him, which no one has ever done, it doesnt count since he was sick”. bullshit. so he beat nog and got his 2nd shot. and lost, although he held his own during the fight at times. and then he stops kongo, which no one has done in the UFC. and now if he beats carwin who was next in line for a title shot, he shouldnt get a title shot cause lesnar beat him once? makes more sense than liddell-ortiz 3, and just as much sense as couture-liddell 3. sorry for the rant, i just dont understand why people are bitching about mir-lesnar 3. this is not solely directed at you either, hella.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 24, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see your point but with all due respect the second Lesnar & Mir fight should count as 2 wins for Brock ahah jk.
lol
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
lol man if that were true...
liddell would hold 4 wins over ortiz and babz. cause he dominated them more than lesnar dominated mir at UFC 100
by Andrew Keller on Mar 24, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'M SO GLAD TO HEAR THIS
Its what I said the other day, no reason to have them cancel each other out. I still think you’ll see Cain vs JDS within the next year to year and a half.
I do think that JDS should get the shot before Cain tho'
And I’m a bigger fan of Cain’s than JDS but I really like both their different styles a lot.
here's what i don't get
When dana wanted fedor, it was because he wanted to throw every single one of these guys at him and dana hoped that somewhere along the way that one of these guys would beat fedor! Fedor is the KING!! The king doesn’t have to fight all comers, the king only has to fight those who make it through all the rest of the guys undefeated. IF nobody in the ufc can beat lesnar, then none of them get the right/honor of challenging fedor. it’s like the last boss on a video game, u don’t get a crack at him until u beat all the others bosses, unless ur using cheatcodes of course. If fedor fights brock, n fedor wins, then in my opinion, he should be allowed to set on the sidelines until someone beats brock and earns the right to challenge him! dana’s #1 contender system is sooooooo screwed up all he can do now is protect everyone he thinks he can line up for a title shot over the next couple of years. he wants mir, carwin, JDS, n cain to all get title shots for the sole purpose of having 4 blockbuster ppv main events! why not have the 4 of them settle it theirselves with the winner getting the title shot
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what if jds gets caught by someone else? is he still in line then? a loss to cain wouldnt push him too far down the ranks. maybe he gets the loser of mir/carwin but i doubt it?
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
yea but that puts that fight like a year and a half down the road
brock fights the winner of mir/carwin in mid to late summer……which means cain will get the winner of that fight in late fall or winter….which means jds (if hes still undefeated) will get the winner of that in the spring or summer of next year
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
Agreed
Cain will be the next champion, him and JDS are the real top contenders and the favouritism shown to the lesser fighters Wank Mir and Barney Carwin will be all for nothing when Cain and JDS continue to dominate all in front of them before fighting each other for the belt. Shame that I will have finished my degree by the time I ever get to see these 2 awesome fighters get their opportunity at the belt and each other.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Who is high?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
cain takes carwin.
hes waaay too fast for carwin.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 24, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock struggled the last time he faced a wrestler and that was against the much smaller Couture
Cain has much better striking than Brock and is just as good a wrestler as him, plus he’s been active whilst Brock’s career almost ended after a serious illness. As for Carwin he hasn’t done anything to warrant the hype so far, all he has is power and KO wins over no-names. Cain has faced and beaten better fighters than Carwin plus he has much crisper hands and has the better takedowns and control from on top. Cain would beat both of them, he’s getting better all of the time and once he finally gets his chance he’ll prove it.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
i would pick cain over carwin even if he beats mir...
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 24, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
just as good a wrestler as him
Couture is Greco, Cain is freestyle. Very different. I just don’t see Cain outwrestling Lesnar. Couture got the better of Brockin the clinch, but I can;t think of a fight off the top of my head where Cain dominated someone from the clinch. He is a takedown guy. Was there one?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Cain beats Brock.
I don’t care what ppl say about Brock’s speed or whatever, Cain moves much better on his feet and his striking advantage would set up the takedowns and make it easier for him to see when Brock is going in for a takedown.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Cain will be the next HW champ
Brock will not beat Cain because Brock will get lit up with Cain’s striking. Brock may not even beat Carwin if Carwin beats Mir….Brock will most likely beat Mir again though.
Yet again JDS is getting screwed
How many fights does he have to win to earn a title shot? At this rate he’s going to break Fitch’s record for most wins in the UFC before getting a title fight and it’s not as if these are close wins, so far every win has been by KO. I can’t understand that at all, JDS-Cain would be a superb fight and provide a real top contender for Brock instead of a grudge match against either the same guy Brock always fights or the guy that only had to beat 2 cans and Gabe (the same guy Junior just KO’d I might add) before getting an interim title shot and a promised title fight before that.
Junior better get matched up against another top contender because he’s getting the raw deal yet again by the UFC and I don’t want to see him waste his time KO’g another guy beneath him. Dana’s protecting his HW posterboys because he knows that Junior is better than them all and he’ll continue to prove that by KO’g whoever is thrown at him.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
too bad jds isnt dan hardy, all you have to do is beat a few subpar guys and you get a shot at the belt
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
haha
this is true. JDS is the opposite, he has to take the hard way, and STILL doesn’t get the match he deserves
yea at LEAST give him a top contender match, even if its not a title shot...give him some reward for his domination
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
Carwin's even worse, at least Dan beat some decent fighters like Swick and Gono
Carwin beat 2 absolute nobodies and the overrated Gabe Gonzaga, the same overrated Gabe Gonzaga that just got KO’d by JDS who also KO’d 4 other top guys including a consensus top 10 Werdum, top kickboxers Cro Cop and Yvel (both of whom supposedly had better striking than him) and a good BJJ fighter in Struve who has gone undefeated since. Purely based on his shit talk Carwin found himself in a title fight that he had no right being in against Brock and now fighting for a fake belt against Wank Mir, a guy who just got destroyed by Brock and has only beat the overrated Kongo since. I call BS.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I don't know about that neither have beat anybody that proves that
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Muscle isn't everything
Cain and Junior have speed on their side and are both big men themselves, they aren’t LHWs who didn’t bother to cut they are both legitimate HWs with proven power. Strength alone isn’t enough, those 3 may be huge HWs at this point but it remains to be seen what they can do against quicker fighters with superior striking and in Cain’s case equal (if not slightly superior) grappling. These 2 lads are young and improving all of the time, plus they have been remaining active unlike those 3, it’s been a year since Brock or Carwin fought and Mir has only had one extra fight.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Sorry Dave but your wrong about them being quicker than Brock
There hand speed is quicker, well at least JDS but on the feet if either of them believe they will be quicker are sadly mistaken and in for a big surprise.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Brock has the quicker shoot but his handspeed isn't
I want to see what he can do against a top striker like JDS or a well rounded fighter with a great wrestling base like Cain, if he beats either of those 2 then he is the top HW at the moment regardless of Fedor’s record and legacy.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
For some reason
I get a kick out of the fact that Brock has the power to hold a fighter down and pummel them into oblivion
^^^^THIS^^^^
Is the only reason that I like Lesnar. (and the sword.)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Yeah
I remember a time where Lesnar tried out for the Minnesota Vikings, didn’t make the cut, and I forgot about him. Then a while later I wanted to see what he was up to and I came to find out he was mauling guys in mma. BEAST
I actually wanted him to fail at MMA, but
when he grabbed Mir, pinned an arm and caved in the side of his face….WOW. MUCH RESPECT.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
lol, it was. The contusion afterwards during the interview was priceless.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
best I could find quickly. Doesn;t do it justice
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Had I not known who Frank Mir was
and only saw the beginning and end of the fight I would have thought Brock fought 2 people on one night ahah
JDS vs Brock would be who dictates were the fight takes place
Cain and Brock would be interesting and Cain is the only fighter I see being able to at least weather the damage on the ground. I’m not saying Brock by any means is a guarantee win but odd are he would. But hopefully by the end of the year we will see one of them against Brock assuming Brock beats the winner of Carwin and Mir or if luck would have it hopefully the winner of Carwin and Mir are not able to fight this summer.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I want to see how good Brock looks once he comes back
After his near death experience and year off he could end up coming into the title fight in horrible shape. I have a feeling that he’s not going to be the beast that he was beforehand but then again I thought that he was done fighting period so what do I know?
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
The way I hear and see him train I think he will be fine
The man learns so much so fast, he may not be the brightest fighter outside the octagon but he is probally the most intelligent and understanig of his ability than any other fighter with less than 10 fights under their belt. Every time he steps in the octagon he improves leaps and bounds from before and I expect he will be improved once again, maybe not as much as he should but he will be better than he was last summer. Just look what he did in his first three fights, he will be much smarter thats for sure than his first UFC fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
leaps and bounds? I haven’t seen any improvement from Brock since the first fight actually, only thing i’ve seen is that he’s alot calmer now and realizes that he doesn’t need to come out like a mad man.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Did you see his ground grappling and his patience improve!!
The way he moved and went for the takedowns was much improved, he was very wrecklis his first fight and against Herring he was too carefull. When he faced Randy he kept his guard up and picked his shots and we seen the outcome there the fight against Mir he moved much better and set up his takedown or capatalized on them at the right times and on the ground WOW!! From the first fight to his last I seen much improvement. I don’t know what you were watching are maybe you were just overwhelmed to see the technical side?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
just wait puck...
till he starts sitting down on his punches. yeah, he knocked herring across the ring, and dropped randy with a glancing shot, but hes throwing arm punches and has yet to completely turn the lights out on an opponent. granted, mir and couture didnt know where exactly they were after lesnar pounded them to a ref stoppage, but they were awake. once he starts rotating his hips and planting his rear foot, his cross is gonna be deadly.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
His striking needs work and it was a focal point in their camp
When they were preparing for Carwin. They stated for Mir 90% of their training was on the ground game.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Mir is the most knowlegable fighter out of all these guys
And he couldn’t believe how much improved Brock was.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I'm with you on this, PH
I hate Lesnar, but his learning curve is on par with Cain’s, but he started out with better wrestling, heavier hands, and 40+ lbs more power. I think Brock is just as quick as Cain with his TD shoots. Hands and boxing skill aren’t as good as Cain was in his last fight, and we haven’t really seen Brock’s chin tested, but unless he has a glass chin, I don’t see how Cain wins it. I think it will look like Tito vs Randy did. A smothering GnP specialist getting dominated by an even stronger more dominant version of himself. This is assuming Brock is really as healthy as he claims. .
yea but brock would never use that as an excuse if his health were to affect his fighting
i just dont see how he could be back to his old self if he really lost 41 pounds like he said he did….i mean you can gain weight back, but getting muscle back takes way more time…yea he may have 5 or 6 months to work, but he has to watch his diet…
theres no way he could take in the protein he needs to put on the muscle he once had….his digestive system definantly doesnt have the ability to process the way it used to
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
by HellaHectic on Mar 25, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
especially on high fiber low meat diet
I don’t think you put 41 lbs of muscle on in a few months eating bean sprouts.
Yeah he's on those Dynamez supplements
But he never gained weight he just put on what he lost from being sick as most peaple can do nothing special. It’s not like he lost 41 pounds of muscle. Almost gauarantee the week he started eating normal and keeping his food down he gained over half of his weight back if not more. He’s going to be on ESPN Friday I believe and we should hear a little more and he is going to the Mir Carwin fight to see who his next oppoent is going to be so I believe everything has gone to plan for him.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Brock’s been overpowering his opponents with his wrestling since the first fight, what mentality he comes into a fight with has nothing to do with his skills.
Cain is a much better technical fighter than Brock and he demolishes Brock in every technical aspect of the fight game. The difference for Brock is his strength.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
sure he pinned Mir’s arm down while he was pounding him. Other than that there wasn’t much to see other than how calm he was.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Not on the ground Roberto
Cain hasn’t fought anybody on the ground as skilled as Mir so I would say that was a pretty naive comment. Brock would of destroyed Kongo as Mir did.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That’s what i just said the difference is his strength and size. And Cain has actually fought Nog who has a hell of a ground game, he knocked him out !
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
He didn't battle NOG on the ground ever?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
he knocked him out standing. it's the same thing.
Brock was the one who chose to take Mir down and go to the ground not the other way around. Maybe because he isn’t confident in his striking ability or maybe just maybe because Mir’s biggest problem right now is defending against GnP.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
No it's not we were talking about their skills
or technical ability. Brock has two great skills his takedown and his grappling combined with his ground and pound. If Cain throws the leg kicks he did against NOG Brock will have him on his back takin hammer fist before Cain even realizes he’s on the ground. Anyway like I said Brock is more proven on the ground than any of these young guys. And like I said he will keep getting better in the other phases.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
yeah sure.
He’s more proven on the ground b/c that’s where he takes it in everyone of his fights. Like i said his strength makes a difference and technical ability might not matter that much, but atleast i think it would if they fought.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
His short hammer fist allows him better control over his opponent
Something Cain are any one for that matter can do and cause that much damge. It’s insane.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I don't agree with DW at all in the HW division
All these terrific HW’s coming up and we may be stuck watching Mir Lesnar 3!? Brock will have fought 3 of his five UFC fights against the same guy! How is that interesting right now…..who was the last guy he fought? Mir is the one who shouldn’t be back at the top contender spot….he had his shot to take it, give it to someone else next. Personally I believe Cain and Carwin should be fighting for the shot…..I know it was supposed to happen and it should have. Then after all that goes down, the winner of a JDS vs Mir fight gets a shot at whoever’s holding the title. Seems more fair and more interesting.
PLEASE
see my rant above regarding mir-lesnar 3 and commment with rational opinions. dont freak out.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 24, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He just did, Andrew.
He told you very rationally why nobody wants to see another Brock/Mir fight so soon. Worthiness isn’t the only issue here. With a stacked division, why should Brock keep fighting the same guy while other interesting contenders eliminate each other. He also presented a very good “rational option”. If Dana hadn’t locked himself into this BS Interim title fight, it would be even easier.
One thing I agree with Dana on is not having JDS fight Cain and have one of them eliminated as a contender. I hate the mentality that a clear No 1 Contender has to be establshed before you can have a title fight. It’s much more exciting when there are 3 or 4 legit guys who pose a credible threat. It’s short-sighted to have them all eliminate each other.
HOWEVER! I think making Cain and JDS wait that long for their next fight is not good. Cain should fight the loser of Mir/Carwin while Brock is fighting the winner. JDS should fight Nelson or Toney just to stay busy. Then fight the loser of Brock/Carwin while Cain fights for the belt, assuming Cain beats the loser of Mir/Carwin.
i can agree with all but the 2nd line of your post
im not exactly thrilled about the idea of brock fighting the same dude in half his pro fights. its just that if mir keeps winning, you cant deny him a title shot since he “already had one shot”. yes, i love the idea of multiple contenders for brocks belt. espically since this is the first time EVER, imo, that the hvyweight division is actually exciting. but if mir beats carwin, mir deserves the next shot at lesnar.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 25, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
dana white is turning into gsp
The way I see it is, and the way my luck has gone lately, with injuries and stuff, I think you keep these guys in line.
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
Typical DW promoting...
Why on earth would he have these guys fight for anything other than the title? If they fight, the loser has to “rebuild” into another title shot with at least TWO more fights.
DW has the next THREE HW title shots lined up. That is more than he can say for any other division. And the great part, drumroll please, we will buy all three becuase the hype from JDS not getting Cain is better than them fighting each other right now. Think about it.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
thats not true, frank mir got another title shot after winning one fight against kongo
even after he got destroyed in his last title fight which was 2 fights ago….losing didnt hurt mir at all
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
Only because Brock's career was in jeopardy.
Mir is DW’s biggest named HW, not named Lesnar. He was the obvious choice if Brock was done. And the Carwin/Mir Interim title fight was made befoire Lesnar was known to be coming back
JDS and Cain are still “prospects” until proven otherwise. This is also why Bones has at least one more fight, if not two before a title shot.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Who's Mir beaten to earn all of the plaudits? And Carwin hasn't beaten anyone either, his record is nothing compared to JDS and Cain
Mir’s last wins are over the overrated Kongo (beaten by Cain), Big Nog (beaten by Cain) and against a rookie Brock, who avenged that loss in devastating fashion last year. Cain and JDS are only “prospects” because the posterboys are being protected, the loudmouths would all get beaten by those 2 (including Brock) and Dana knows it. Unfortunately he cares more about shit talkers feuding than about the best HWs fighting for the belt.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Unfortunately he cares more about shit talkers feuding than about the best HWs fighting for the belt.
He cares about who makes him the most money. Why do you think Kimbo is in the UFC? Or, Toney? C’mon, wise up. He is a promoter first and a maker of good matches only when convenient, or it leads him to the most cash.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
and I agree that Mir doesn't "deserve" to be there, but he capitalized on an opportunity.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Moneywise it makes sense but as a fan I care about great fights, not about what brings in the ratings
I can see why he does it but it still sucks. It’s even more annoying that he’s not even going to have the top contenders face each other, there’s no need to keep Cain inactive or waste Junior’s time in tune-up fights especially just for the sake of a pointless rematch or a fight with a guy who has done less than Cain or JDS all because they bitch about Brock to the media.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
So do i, bro, but DW is always gonna go for the green first.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Cain/JDS is a dream match
better than seeing either of them fight Brock, and we’ll get to see it eventually. But Dana is right about not having one of these guys eliminate the other as a contender for Brock. He doesn’t want to be in a situation like he is now with WW where he’s having to hype up unproven mid-level fighters as contenders and nobody is falling for it and it’s 8-1 odds.
only reason this ones a title shot
is cause carwin was told he got the next title shot, and lesnar had to pull out and no one knew if he was even gonna be alive to defend his title. so they made it interim. they cant exactly take that away now that lesnars healthy.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 24, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because I can't stop going off about this
JDS has beaten higher level fighters than virtually all of the hw’s in contention at the moment. Additionally, he’s beaten them in spectacular fashion…..DW is really off base on this one. JDS is ready now….who will he fight next? Winner of Struve/Nelson I bet…
That would be terrible
He beat Struve in his second fight in the UFC, he needs to be fighting other top guys. Unfortunately Dana won’t let him as he knows that he’d KO his posterboys.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I agree it would suck
I think if Nelson wins though, that he’ll be JDS’ next fight. Don’t know about Struve since they already fought.
we're gonna see jds and kongo next...god i cant stand the thought of that
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
Every opponent that isn't Brock, Cain, Mir or Carwin is a stepdown for JDS at this point
Unfortunately that is what Dana is looking to do. I say give him the Mir-Carwin loser if he’s not going to get to fight Cain or feed him Toney.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
At least it'd be an easy win for Junior, albeit a pointless one
I wouldn’t be surprised if they fed him Toney, if any HW is going to KO James on the feet it’ll be Junior plus that fight would get him into the mainstream and apparently being recognised by the media is the criteria for being a number one contender in the UFC and not winning all of your fights.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I kinda agree...
I figured they wouldn’t waste 2 contenders anyways.
Watch Cain gets his shot at the end of the year, then Fedor signs, then JDS gets screwed again.
by BNF on Mar 24, 2010 8:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
JDS vs Cain is the only fight that makes sense
Anything else is a stepdown for both.
They dont need their records paddeded against some average nobodies.
by Lester The Pimp on Mar 24, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
i need my wallet padded though....
ill be betting against whoever they face…
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 24, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
Dana needs to pull his head outta his arse.
JDS v Cain is the fight everyone wants to see, more so than Mir v Carwin.
FUCK YES!!! - was my reaction to the announcement of UFC 110 in Australia. Now I get to live my dream of watching the big show live!!
I'll second that
I’d rather see which one of these two progresses up. Not looking forward to Mir Lesnar 3
Don't count Mir in as a guarantee yet
Lets wait and see what happens first.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
speaking of Fedor
as the “best in the world” he’ll soon be fighting a guy JDS smashed without much trouble.
you mean "NO" trouble...he just ran across the octagon and caved his face in with one punch
god i fucking LOVE it when jits guys get their faces smashed in…
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
yea if dos wins then he "beat an over the hill retired boxer"
but if he loses then he “loss to an over the hill retired boxer”
there is no way to win that fight regardless of the outcome
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
Cain & JDS are clearly the best HW's in the UFC!
This fight wud have been sick as all hell! Dana is protecting Brock simple as that! Dam I hope carwin wins but I have a feeling were guna see lesnar Mir III! F#ck!!!
by d*locc on Mar 24, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Vince Mc-Mahon, bah bah, bah bah bah, Vince Mc-Mahon!
Milk us Dana, milk us………………..
So who is next for JDS then? I guess the loser of Mir and Carwin and then the winner of that gets Cain, Lesnar, I don’t even know anymore. Starting to lose interest……………..
Protecting Brock
They want to save all these guys for him. If Brock beats the winner of Mir and Carwin he will face Cain assuming he wins one more and then JDS assuming he wins two more. By the sounds of it these guys get eisier paths and Brock will have to face all three of them assuming he wins the next two. Protecting Brock LOL far from it by the sounds of it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Mir 3x's in 5 fights? 205lb 52 year old Randy, & Heath hearing?
Maybe a lil bit =D
by d*locc on Mar 24, 2010 9:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I would rather see someone else to d*locc and hopefully we do but
In the end by the end of the year we will see him fight someone else and most likely for the belt.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Brock Lesnar
It’s almost like a race between everyone in the HW division to see who will expose his big ass first.
I think there's at least 3 guys who would wreck Lesnar tomorrow if they fought
Cain, JDS…..ok 2 guys.
Kind of lame...
…I can understand it a little since the plan’s supposed to be Cain as stand-by contender in case Mir or Carwin can’t do it in time. But if Cain’s not gonna get the shot, why not let them fight? Sure seems like other fans want to see them fight too, and sometimes, you just need to strike while the iron’s hot. They’re both young (and good) enough that the loser could rebound back into contention.
as if i needed another reason to dislike dana and his bs.
and to the gentleman who wrote the story about his lunch with dana and him NOT being about the almighty dollar; very good read, but this alone is proof that he is about benjamins before anything else
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
cain and jds is the best fight that the ufc could possibly put on in any division right now ...
without resorting to superfights (gsp/silva…silva/shogun or silva vs any top 2 or 3 lhw)….the only other pure division fight better than cain/jds is silva/vitor but of course thats been indefinantly postponed…
this thread has turned into a “who could beat who” thread instead of a “who deserves to fight who” thread…which is what it originally was about…
jds is the best technical striker in the hw division….carwin may hit harder…but jds is still the better overall striker….mir is the best overall sub guy in the division since it appears nogs has lost a step)…cain is the most conditioned and most intense and fast paced guy in the division…and brock is the strongest and most lethal gnp guy in the division, peeps say he isnt a good striker, but he HAS dropped everyone hes faced with one punch at some point in his fights…
every top hw in the division has their different strengths and thats what makes it so good right now……
how would brock do against a guy like jds if jds truly has as good of takedown defense as nogs says he does and brock is forced to go toe to toe….how would carwin do against jds if he has to go toe to toe with jds when jds is so much faster
how would mir do against cain if cain is able to take him down at will…
the hw division is so fucking exciting right now
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
but god fucking damn i just dont want to see brock/mir 3 and then have to wait and entire 4 or 5 months
to see brock fight someone else if he wins….
the last time we saw brock face someone not named frank mir was back in 2008 and its already 2010…and if he fights mir it will be in the mid to late summer and if he wins then his next fight will probably be in the last fall or late winter…which is only a month away from 2011..
which means it will have taken him from 2008 to almost 2011 to fight someone not named frank mir
that is fucking ridiculous
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
by HellaHectic on Mar 25, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
This is Stupid
This could turn out to be a similar situation when GSP fought BJ when they were both young,. It didn’t prevent one or the other from being great.
If they fight now it only leaves for a possible awesome rematch if the loser can go on a streak again.
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 25, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions
god im so fucking happy theres been an active jds thread, he deserves it
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as long as i can still say i hate the french and canadians from quebec its all good
This is ballocks cain and jds should have to fight each other with the winner then becoming number one contender and fighting the winner of brock vs mir/carwin. I didnt realise there was just a line you have to wait in to get a shot at the title the best fighters should have to fight each other for the shot this is’nt boxing
So....
JDS isn’t fighting again until 2011? He’s just going to sit back and wait for Brock to be 2 other fighters? This sounds retarded. Protecting guys is what makes boxing suck.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Fuck Dana
Really man? I thought it was at least partly about the sport…
by theworldismine on Mar 25, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
Let them fight.
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