Dana White: Jon Jones isn't ready for a title shot -- yet
by Jesse Holland on Mar 23, 2010 10:53 AM EDT
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"I’d like to see him get another year under his belt. And in that year, before he got a shot at the title, he’d have to take out Rashad (Evans), Rampage (Quinton Jackson), possibly Shogun (Mauricio Rua) or (Lyoto) Machida, and then get the title shot. There aren’t many guys out there like this guy. God knows what this guy can do. It’s going to be interesting to watch."
UFC President Dana White is impressed with the display Jon Jones has put on during his short time on the Zuffa roster; however, White isn't ready to say he's a title contender (yet) even with his skull-cracking win over Brandon Vera at last Sunday's UFC on Versus event from Denver. Since "Bones" is now a part of Team Jackson it's unlikely he'll face "Sugar" en route to the title, but what about Rampage? Or Thiago Silva? Fantasy matchmakers, let's hear your picks.
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he's gonna have to beat them all before a title shot?
LOL crikey
"In Japan, the crowd is quiet, this one time I heard a cute girl fart in the second row." - Rampage Jackson
by Rampagelangford on Mar 23, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
LOL...If he beat everyone Dana mentioned, he would have completely cleaned out the division...
I think a match with either Thiago Silva or the winner of Randy / Rich would be logical for him.
’’Apparently, the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke… Personally I’d just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
yea me to
an is said yesterday about him fighting Gayshad an somebody posted that it wouldnt happen kuz they both train with Greg Jackson. so idk
YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYBODY SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL PLEASE YOU!!!!!!!
by BigDickChainey on Mar 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
that was ANS that said that cause he trains there
But I am not so easily sold on the loyalty code of honor he claims exists. Of course they’ll say they won’t fight but I think their tune may change if Dana simply offered up the money and had a stern talk to them and simply said fight or go home. I disagree that they wouldn’t work something out to make it happen. It’s inevitable in the future I feel. Too many missed match ups.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 23, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ya this whole teammate not fighting teammate thing is ridiculous. Maybe if they were like brothers or childhood friends it would be excusable for them not to fight, but Jones has been at this Jackson camp for under a year and suddenly he’s blood brothers with all his training partners there? It’s ridiculous you can’t just work around this for the rest of time.
Sorry, boys, he's taken. Meow.
would we even want to see teammate fights though?
if these guys are really as close as they claim to be, what kind of intensity would those fights have? I dunno, just food for thought. Part of me reasons that they’re proffessional athletes and they’ll compete just like any other athletes would at their sport.
Thank you dana!!!
Enough of this Jones titleshot. This is MMA, we wanna see well rounded fighters (not joe rogan well rounded). Yes he can easily beat up the lower half of the top 10 easy right now but if we give him another year to get ready then his MT will be tight, his wrestling on an even higher level and his grappling (which is really my main concern at this point) even better. Because as much as we like to think that LHW is full of strikers – they are much better wrestlers and grapplers than actual hitters. However their KO power disguises this.
Shogun – sucks at striking (from a technical standpoint), sick at grappling,
Lil Nog- Sick grappling, sick hands (especially with newlyf ound power), Rampage – Wrestler first, sick power,
Rashad – Wrestler first, OK power,
Machida – counterstriking and BJJ.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Shogun sucks at striking? lolz, He sucks at boxing from a technical standpoint yea, but his kicks are the best in the division and his knees from the clinch are good.
the problem with what you’re saying is that all fighters are being thrown in to fight the best at strange times, Shogun was thrown in too “early” in most ppl’s opinion here against Machida. Rampage was thrown in early against Chuck after an ok performance against Eastman. Lesnar was thrown in right away, JDS also against Werdum whom they expected to submit JDS. I have another 100 examples.
There is never a right time and if there is they haven’t waited for it in all of these years. Jones should be no exception just because ppl like him and wants him to take over.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Shogun, Rampage, and all those guys were experienced fighter.
No ready is not the best description for pople’s doubts when they were matched up. I certainly believed they were more than ready. In Jon Jones’ case though – he has been doing MMA for 2 yrs now. That’s longer than how long it takes most people to get to the UFC. Let him get time to work and get ring time. Same for JDS. I still would prefer for him to get more time to work on his wrestling/grappling game or at least get a fight where we see it. For every example you bring me, i can have a perfect counter. One guy in particular that i always bring up as a very good reason for grooming is none other than Terry Etim. He was on the verge of being kicked out of hte UFC after being thrown in with Tibau and such but look at where he’s at right now? Look at the maturity, poise and technical brilliance he’s exhibiting simply because he was given time to work on his game on the undercard against a wide variety of fighters. Yea jones is on a higher level but the same stands IMO.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ya i can counter all day too. the technical brilliance Vera once showed against lesser opponents is long gone now that he’s fighting tougher guys. Terry Etim may be made an example of once he fights a top guy, we don’t know. It’s easy to showcase all your skills against someone who has no ability to counter what ur doing.
I agree with you that Jones should get more time to develop his game but if he gets it than so should Thiago Silva and all the other guys have had too, there are so many guys like Paulo Thiago that just gets right in there and battles their way to the top right away. UFC is not the organization to chill in and take yrs to just get experience and learn, once your on a 5 fight win streak ur going to have to step up, he’s above Thiago Silva, Cane and those guys now.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
bottom line, i agree but not completely.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Lets Put It This Way
If Rashad and Keith fought they wouldnt fight their hearts out vs Each Other. Everyone mentions money as a deciding factor but thats the thing… Gregs teachings go as far as to strain that money isnt over loyalty. GSP wont go to MW so long as Nate is in the upper echelon of the food chain. They rarely train together but thats just how it is. Keith and Rashad wont fight. Dont expect Guillard vs Guida either. As well as Schaub vs McSweeney. One or both would have to leave Gregs. Why do you think Diego left? Because he was after the WW title and knew he couldnt fight GSP…
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 23, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Loyalty is more important to most of these guys than money, people who have trained with each other for years and become as close as family will never fight each other. Sure it’s annoying when top contenders from the same camp refuse to fight each other but even if they did face each other they’d both be so tentative that it’d be a stalemate. Look at how bad Andre-Ross ended up being. It’s not worth upsetting fighters and camps just for the sake of one fight between teammates that will end up being terrible anyway and the comparison with other sports is irrelevant because they don’t involve beating up a friend.
A lot of fans don’t seem to understand or care about the camaraderie within these camps, I for one applaud these guys for showing loyalty to their teammates and friends and I think that it’s wrong to expect them to fight people that they don’t want to for money just because us fans, most of whom don’t compete in the sport anyway, want to see a fight.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
That Is Well Stated
And Entirely True.
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 23, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post, David. However, I disagree. I believe professionalism should trump personal feelings. Its a career that is supported by the fan's money either directly or indirectly. A professional adheres to his obligations.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Only for the belt, IMHO.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I don't think that kind of thinking is fair to the other fighters who are hungry to prove themselves and are willing to take on any opponent.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Why Not?
What Possible Scenario is there that another hungry fighter would be effected by two teammates not fighting?
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 23, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of the TUF newbs who had to fight fellow training partners in order to pursue a dream of being in MMA.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Being in UFC
There’s a difference.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Same principle. And even MORE of a reason to be a professional. You are in the big time and living a dream. Don't squander it by being too emotional.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
The big problem is if your camp has too many of the top guys and you don’t have them fight each other, other poor bastards has to suffer from getting to fight them.
like Evans should definitely be a choice for Jones to fight, why not? maybe all the brazilians should team up and refuse to fight, then we’d only have brazilians in the UFC’s LHW division cause they’d be fighting lesser opponents.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Exactly, Roberto. It becomes a pick and choose scenario which is inherently unfair.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
there should be some kinda rule that you can’t have too many top ranked fighters in one camp, it only hurts the division and the fans.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Nobody is willing to face their training partners in a competetive fight
Sure it’s a nuisance and it prevents us from seeing potentially great fights but if 2 people don’t want to fight then forcing them to anyway isn’t the answer. A fight between 2 guys forced to compete against their will would be horrible to watch and would just upset them, the promoters and the fans further.
The UFC has stacked divisions, there’s no need for them to force fighters to face teammates and friends when there are so many other people available for them to compete against.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I don't agree, David. Working with people who you don't like, competing against people who you do like are all different facets of a career path. So its ok for the TUF newbs to do it but not the established professionals? Hmmm...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Most of the TUF guys don't fight their friends
A bunch of times guys have tried to avoid fighting people that they trained with before the show. Even when friends do fight each other on TUF shows those fights are usually anticlimatic, look at what happened when Ross and Andre fought in the finale, they both cancelled each other out for 3 rounds. That is what most friend-friend fights will look like.
Fighting can’t be compared to any other career, there’s a difference between competing for a promotion and fighting each other, at least in the former you don’t have to hurt and potentially injure your opponent and likewise in a fight if your heart isn’t in it then you’re putting yourself at risk of serious injury or having a very boring fight.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I Can Understand That.
However, in the case at Greg’s its all about professionalism because they do not fight their fellow training partners. Its not like oh I like you so much we cant hit each other. Its more like we are in this together and I am not going to break down that boundary for the sake of money. Anderson and Lyoto can also be thrown in that mix.
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 23, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
it wont be Randy or Rich next. Their fight is too far away.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
You may be right, but it is a good next step.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Randy is also protected i would say from being in the “money league” of the division along with Tito and Chuck. I mean that’s why he’s fighting Rich next who hasn’t been impressive in a while.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
truth right there.
Right now Jon Jones is a horrible matchup for the paycheck. I see 0 ways the captain can beat him.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Randy/Rich
I hope they don’t give him the winner of Randy / Rich….I like and respect those fighters too much, and i wouldn’t wish that upon them.
I think Jones is ready for the top of the Division. No Title Shot yet of course, as he needs to get in line, but fighting the other guys in that line will give him expierence worthy of a title shot……he’s only 2-3 fights away. I think Thiago Silva makes a lot of sense, but it needs to happen soon, while Silva is still considered a top guy in the Division……Silva is dangerously close to becoming the stuff that Gatekeeper Legends are made of!
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
This is complete garbage.
Who did Rashad, Shogun, Machida, Anderson, Hardy, or Brock beat to get a shot at the title? Why make him wait? Anything can happen in the future (injuries, or just anyting). I love how Anderson and Brock got a crack at the title early cuz it allows them to have a long reign. DW is playing this one wrong.
Might as well just say: He has to beat everyone. The thing is, Bones could.
Just call him Chuck Norris’ brother from another mother…
Dont' give up till you throw up or pass out!
Dana didn't say he would have to beat them ALL
he simply said he should have to face one of the top competitors in the lhw division and succeed in the task of beating them to a pulp.
"I dreamed that I was being raped by Freddy Mercury." - Tank Abbott after losing to Dan Severn
I wouldn't know about right now
But no way is he gonna havta go through all those fighters, give em the winner of Lil Nog. A lot of people on this site seem to think he’ll win. I picked Nog. If he beats Nog he’s ready, I think for now give him Bader. Both are on a role so why not
My dream match-up to see
BJ Penn vs Nick Diaz!!!!! Would only be unreal
I would be happy with both Lil Nog or Bader as well...
The Nog fight would be completely sick…
’’Apparently, the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke… Personally I’d just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
I love bONES, but to say he is ready for Nog is INSAne!!!
We didnt get to see how Jones could deal with a technical striker yet! Standing with Vera would have answered questions, but Jones chose to take it to the ground!
Lil nog is a TERRIBLE match up for Jones. Very technical standing, and the best jits in the division next to shogun! I saw a few mistakes in jOnes ground game that a jits wizard like Nog would take advantage of and lock in a fight ending submission!
The kid is only 22. No point in rushing him into a title shot!
He needs to beat guys like: Cane, thiago Silva, Bader, Couture,Franklin and Forrest before I would throw him in with: Rampage,Nog,Shogun,Machida.
The next fights booked should be:
Bones vs. Forrest (after he loses to Nog), or Thiago Silva!
Vera needs to fight Banha Cane!
then let the kid lose.
He has had only favorable matchups till now, seeing him demolish Forrest won’t count for anything and Dana knows that he can’t have Forrest lose two in a row again.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
I agree, Roberto.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
well, im not ready for the UFC to ruin Thiago's career and make him a gatekeeper.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Well I don’t know the exact definition of gatekeeper vs contender but he’s never going to beat machida, anyway, so I wouldn’t call him a contender. Besides if he beats Jones it would do wonders for him. He definitely would have a striking advantage and if he could use his jiu jitsu he might catch Jones in a sub.
Sorry, boys, he's taken. Meow.
T. Silva/Jones
Book it.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Thiago would get thrown around like a rag doll, stand up wouldn't matter all that much.
look how badly Rashad tooled him with wrestling, I’d say Jones’s wrestling looks much better than Rashad’s. Plus, is Thiago’s Jiu Jitsu realistically any better than Vera’s? his belt may be a darker colour than Vera’s, but you wouldn’t know it to watch his fights…
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
T's BJJ > Vera's for sure.
Black belt vs Brown belt…. ATT and liborio vs Lloyd Irvin….Mind you his back was completely fucked in the Rashad fight.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 23, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thiago also has more power and is omre aggressive than Vera
Vera sorta waited to get taken down
Loyality before Reality
waited all of 3 seconds
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 23, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon now, be fair
It was 7.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Yer I appreciate the credentials are there
I’m talking about actual practical application in a fight… when have you ever seen that from Thiago? I saw him on his back plenty of times against Rashad… I don’t recall many if any sub attempts.
Never before, have I so clearly heard the sound of a face breaking...
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 23, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yea because his back was f'd.
He also suffers from my most hated condition – “stand and bang.”
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 23, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
he looked better against Rashad then he has in the past however. and to get back to his feet right away everytime was pretty impressive.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
I don't think he beat Nog yet
That’s only from I’ve seen from him. I think Nog’s gonna win against Forrest and since almost everyone picked Jones against Nog, I say let it happen. Aside from the Bader fight, I think Bones could fight Couture and make it competitive. T. Silva’s a good match up too
My dream match-up to see
BJ Penn vs Nick Diaz!!!!! Would only be unreal
I got to agree
The way he left straight arms and Joe was talking about how Vera was trying to be sneaky with that arm, well someone like Nog or other top notch jits guys would have just ate the arm for breakfast and snagged it up.
by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 23, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure they’re looking at tape of that fight and picks that mistake up.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
I mean you can watch tape but to fix striking issues in MMA...
because the level of striking isn’t high enough that fundamental errors will drastically hinder your ability to win. The fact that he has reach and power also mitigates it. But on a grappling sense, MMA still has a pretty high level at the top so trying to resolve things like that in the matter of a year especially when matched against a Lil Nog or Shogun who’ve been doing it for a decade, is very hard. That’s why i am hoping he gets serious time to work on his BJJ with credentialled guys. If he’s workign with GSP, Firas and Jackson then i hope he finds his way to Renzo’s academy especially since he lives in NY. A brilliant student like him under a genius BJJ teacher like Danaher would bring sick results.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
best jits next to shogun?
shogun has never submitted anyone. jones will not fight rashad because they train together. I say feed him bader or thiago silva
U don't have 2 submit people when yur knocking them the fuck out!
by d*locc on Mar 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Word!
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
lil nog is gonna kill forrest..and i think he would ko jones too..
but he is an exciting fighter that will do really well..
no he's not ready
And I’d hate to see him lose due to inexperience so quickly. As one of my favorite fighters, I am glad Dana is seeing this fairly and I feel T. Silva is the best and most fair match up.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 23, 2010 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i also dont think Bader helps Bones move forward at all
They both need to continue to fight vets with names. Not up and comers like each other.
And Dana didn’t mean fight of them for christ sakes ppl he mentioned all 4 because he doesn’t know who will be where in 6 mos to a years time. And he would be putting Jones against the #3-#5 LHW. One of them.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 23, 2010 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i see jones taking out rashad and shogun, but for some reason i dont see him taking out page
which seems ridiculous, cause i think shogun and shad would both tool page. i’ll be the first one to say mmamath doesnt work though.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 23, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
why does it seem ridiculous? styles make fights!
mma math is never needed and it’s a way to add things up if you have no idea of what you’re watching.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Agreed about Page
But i think Shogun is too well rounded and experienced to lose against Jones. He is also a much more strategic fighter than he ever was and would have the keys to Jones lock.
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 23, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He mentioned 4 of the top probably 6 guys in the LHW division, including both that are fighting for the belt next...
So if he’s ready for these guys, he’s obviously ready for a title shot.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
I disagree
The pressure of fighting a big name is different than fighting a big name with a belt.
by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 23, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He Didn't Say He Was Ready For Them
He said he is about a year away and before he got to a title shot he would have to beat one of them. Didn’t say one of those guys were next, just said they would be in the path before he got the title fight.
Give a man to fish and feed him for a day. Kick his stupid ass and maybe he will leave you alone.
Bigbadbunbun got his nickname from his girlfriend Jay.
Ok, so let's say he beats T. Silva or Bader....then he needs to fight one of those guys before a shot?
To me, that doesn’t make sense. If you’ve got a guy wrecking everyone, and you think he’s good enough to fight a top-contending former champion(depending on what happens in the Shad-Page and Machida-Shogun fights you could argue they are nearly interchangeable as far as rankings go), then why not let him fight for the belt? Carwin could be fighting for the belt, and Hardy is, and with one more win over a quality opponent Bones would be much more qualified. Whatever, I’ll watch regardless, I just don’t think it makes sense. And Jones doesn’t seem to be fazed by the pressure to me. I don’t know obviously, but it seems to me the pressure of being in a #1 contender match seems like it would be just as much pressure, or at least comparable, as the championship fight.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Different situation
Carwin – If he beats Mir (big if), who is there left aside from Brock?
Hardy – Who’s left for him to beat aside from a shot at GSP?
There’s a few rungs on the ladder for Jones to still climb.
I think Jones gets one more “prove it” fight – someone like Lil’ Nog – before he steps into the talent pool of Shogun / Machida / ‘Page / Evans. If he beats Lil’ Nog, then he gets one of those guys, and IF he wins that fight, he’s fighting for the belt against the current titleholder.
Three fights, realistically spread out over the rest of 2010 and early 2011 (July then November) means a title shot around this time next year. And he will still be just 23 years old.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
"Who is there left aside from Brock?"
Cain and JDS, 2 young and hungry fighters who have both done a lot more than Carwin. Shane’s only big win is over Gabe, the other 10 were over nobodies. Cain and JDS have much better records and have faced and beaten better competition than Carwin. Brock should be fighting one of those 2 next not one of the 2 big mouths.
As for Dan he deserves a shot for beating Swick, who was supposedly the top contender at the time. If Swick was going to get a title fight for beating Dan then it’s not fair on Dan to not give him the same opportunity plus there was nobody else for GSP to fight as he’d already beaten the other top contenders (other than Semtex). I’d like to see him face Alves, Fitch and Kos at some point in the future though.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
If Carwin beats Mir....
JDS and CV are lateral moves.
Carwin may not have “deserved” the opportunity to fight Mir for an interim belt, but he has it. If he beats Mir, Lesnar is the only next fight that makes sense.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I still think that Brock should be fighting Cain or JDS next
Carwin hasn’t earnt his spot at the top, even a win over Mir shouldn’t launch him to a title fight when he has been inactive for so long. He never should have gotten the title fight with Brock in the first place, he should have faced Cain to earn that fight.
If they’re going to make an interim title then they should have Brock defend against Cain and JDS face Carwin/Mir, that way you give both deserving contenders their chance at a belt and the 2 winners of those fights can face each other to unify the belts. That would be the right thing to do to have a legitimate champion, unfortunately the UFC are more bothered about a Brock Lesnar grudge fight with Carwin or Mir for ratings than having a fair and organised HW division with the best fighter being the champion.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Truth
Plus I would much rather see GSP fight Semtex as Semtex actually has legit one-shot KO power, unlike Hardy. How Paulo or Kos aren’t ahead of Hardy is beyond me(or maybe it’s not, and the UFC really likes marketing their UK fighters).
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Thiago Silva isn't the right opponent.
Thiago has 2 losses in 3 fights, and if you think he should fight Jones you are only looking at it from Jones perspective and what’s best for him.
I say give him lil Nog after he’s done with Forrest, a tough match for both guys and one that can go either way.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
I think Lil Nog is too big a step-up.
Regardless of how he has mowed through the competition thus far, I think the winner of Randy/Ace is a logical next step. Going right to a guy that we think is arguably top 5, after fighting no one in the top 15 before is too drastic for a prospect of this caliber. Too much, too soon, but, using your logic, T Silva and the loser of Forrest/Nog would be a good match-up.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Winner of Randy/Rich is a good idea. Or Cane.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Cane would be a stepdown, though Randy-Rich winner makes sense
However the layoff would be too long for Bones, he needs to stay active and keep taking regular fights to build up his experience. I say give him Thiago, sure it sucks for Silva that he’d probabaly end up 1-3 in his last 4 fights but he is still a step-up from Vera and the only free top 10 LHW at this point. That fight between 2 young and talented contenders makes the most sense. Make that fight happen soon and give the winner Lil Nog once he clowns Forrest.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
The only thing about Randy or Rich
Is that that fight is still quite a ways away, and we have no idea what type of damage will occur to the winner in that fight. Jones is pretty much ready to fight again in a couple months. I say keep Jones busy, that is the best way to get him experience. Have him fight in 3-4 months, not 6-7 months.
by domino effect on Mar 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
How many times have we thought that it’s a too big step up in competition for someone?
50 times at least. Let them fight, it’s not boxing they shouldn’t be looking to have record fighters which would happen if you had Jones fighting Forrest or Thiago.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
I agree actually
But the thing is that leaves practically noone for him to fight for a while. Your right though Nog is a huge step up. But if Forrest did win?
by theworldismine on Mar 23, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he needs to fight soon against someone better than Vera
Run over everybody he has faced, he is in one of the best camps in the world, time to throw him to the wolves. Give him a top 5-7 guy in the division in about June or so.
by domino effect on Mar 23, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
I think Bader would be an easy task for him, Silva i believe he’d beat too.
by theworldismine on Mar 23, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Danas right, and so is Roberto
Giving Jones a title shot would be feeding him to the wolves right now, and Dana knows he has to develop a bit more before that happens. Jones is one of their market fighters now, so they want him to keep wining and then get a title shot. I agree with Roberto that Lil Nog is the best opponent for him, unless somehow Forrest wins, then give him Griffin.
by theworldismine on Mar 23, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
All I know is he needs to stay active
Waiting on the sidelines for the perfect opponnet is pointless. He is young and needs ring time. Even a loss at this point wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
agreed...how the hell would Forest beat nog anyways?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Mar 23, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Shogun was in horrendous shape
He was coming off a serious injury and gassed very quickly. Even Coleman almost beat Shogun when he was in that bad shape. There’s no way that Lil Nog will gas in the first round and that is Forrest’s only chance at beating him.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Is the right answer
Most importantly Griffin is lacking confidence amongst many other things right now in his career.
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Mar 23, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
haha...that was awesome...and better the second time he did it
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Mar 23, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
and the youtube montage is even better!
Waaaah!
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 23, 2010 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lil nog only jits at 205 worth a damn
lil nog/griffin winner vs jones or randy/franklin winner vs jones. dos santos vs cain makes sense too.
mr contradiction as normal....
jones has to beat the entire division before he gets a title shot, whereas dan hardy has to beat mike swick to get his title shot.
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 23, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
205 is not more competitive, 170 is just as competative, but....
why does ardy not have to fight fitch, hughes, alves, thiago, kos, kampmann, serra, johnson etc etc etc before his title shot? because gsp needed an opponent.
dr evil knows he has umpteen legitimate contenders for the 205 title, that have not fought machida or shogun, but that is just how things work.
i bet he is hoping, like alot of neutral fans, that gsp loses, or moves up, because as a sporting spectacle the ww division is dead as far as title fights go, and a new champion would make things much more interesting and lucrative for the ufc and the fans.
how many fights would shields or diaz need to fight gsp if they were on the ufc roster?
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 23, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
When your champion has beaten the almost concensus 2-4 rated fighters in the division, it makes a weight class less competitive.
Who cares if it is competitive at 2-7? As a whole, 170 is less competitive bacause we have a dominant champion.
why does ardy not have to fight fitch, hughes, alves, thiago, kos, kampmann, serra, johnson etc etc etc before his title shot? because gsp needed an opponent.
dr evil knows he has umpteen legitimate contenders for the 205 title, that have not fought machida or shogun, but that is just how things work.
You just proved my point.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Are you just being arbitrary for no reason?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
but who are the fights against?????
3 of the top 5 lhw’s…
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 23, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think Dana likes him
why’s he got to fight the 3 top LHW to get a title shot & Brock has 2 fights (& loses 1) & then gets the title practically given too him what’s that all about
Brock = PPV $$$ now
Jones = possibly future PPV $$$
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Mar 23, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
he says he’d have to beat 1 of these guys for a shot, not 3! are you really dumb or just cant comprehend simple english?
he doesn't
he actually doesn’t explain whether he means fight 1 of them or all 3 be logic would suggest he means more than 1 given the said time frame. i know your kind you’ve been coming on a site for some time & think you know it all & that everyone is wrong but you go get a life
or
The same word you used was used by DW. Read more carefully and stop being an easy target, and then getting offended when you get called out.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
the "or" refers to machida or shogun
meaning the loser of there bout it would be stupid of him to say he wouldn’t get a title shot for a year then say he’d got to fight the champ learn to read before you chip in
You make friends well...
and if that is how you interpret it, so be it. Continue to get pounced upon when you say stupid shit.
And for a writer of a blog, you have fantastic grammar skills. Keep it up.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
your an idiot
read the damn more carefully before you make stupid comments or is it challenge me on every comment to somehow get respect from others
I think you make yourself into an easy target and Ulf couldn't resist.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
I actually was trying to help originally
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Lol at "your an idiot"
Never insult someone’s intelligence and make a spelling/grammatical error in the same sentence.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Based upon your comments and grammar, who exactly is stupid?
But, I appreciate the name calling and the ability to try to spin the fact that you have made zero attempt to do anything but write idiotic comments for the last two days and defend them to the end. Oh, and I forgot the shameless plug to your Twitter account and your blog. Did you get some hits?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
You wish asshole...
It is the entire world against you, but you could not possibly be wrong. Hell, you write a blog and have a Twitter account. How could you be wrong?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I have Twitter as well, that makes me perfect right?
Seriously gumbo is digging himself into a deeper hole with every comment. I have no clue what he is writing about and resorting to petty insults and accusing regulars of being the same person isn’t doing him any favours on here.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
he insults anyone who disagrees
because he can’t coherently put together thoughts that make sense or back up his argument. Common sense (which obviously isn’t too common) would say that Jones doesn’t have to beat 3 or 4 of these top competitors! To say I have multiple accounts just shows what a dumb fuck he really is, everyone around here knows who I am, and knows I have no problem seeing objectively what others have to say. He resorts to insults because thats what people do when they feel “dumbed down” by rational thinking people!
so how many accounts have you really got kevin?
i’ve got 2, this one…………
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 23, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahaha.......
promise i won’t use it though, i’ll delete it shortly, after i’ve been on all of your sites…lol..
deleted.......
and if you believe that…………
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 23, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And what damn am I supposed to read?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
bleh..
i hate jon jones and his caveman face, hes always humble wen he wins, but wen he lost to hamil he tried to overturn it, and wen talking about machida he was talking about how he wud beat him wen they fight, he buys into his own lame hype, impressive but we all know vera was put in to lose..
For what profit is it to man if he gains the world , and loses his own soul?
- Matthew 16:26
I agree with Dana as long as he's in there with top 5!
If we see him fight thiago, lil nog, page, Rashad , lyoto or shogun no need 2 rushem in2 a title shot unless the ufc has no choice. Either way War Bones!!! I want him 2 beat everybody at 205 Xcept for Shogun.
by d*locc on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
BONES VS JAMES TONEY?
last one was too long
by Newfie3 on Mar 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Dana DOES like the kid
Even if he doesn’t follow through, he has plans to develop him into a great fighter. I think he sees Bones as the future face of the division, if not the UFC. And really, who better? The kid has amazing skills, he’s picking up technique up like a sponge. I doubt anyone can really say he’s a master at anything, but he definitely has the potential to become a star. They’re treating his career the way I wish they would treat Cain’s and JDS’. Too bad the HW division isn’t as stacked. I’d hate for Cain or JDS to fight each other before either getting a title shot. Then the way back up to the top for the loser would be filled with rematches they already won. To say Jones buys into his own hype is simply moronic. He seems to understand the progression and has up to this point seemed very patient and satisfied with it. If you ask any fighter if they can win, of course they’re going to say yes. It doesn’t mean he’s ready, it means he believes in himself. I say give him Cane/Sosynski/Schafer. After that, give him the loser of Nog/Forrest (which I think will be Forrest). At some point before a title shot, I think he fights T. Silva or Rampage.
why make him step backwards????
he’s obviously got to fight someone better than vera, which means a top 10 fighter. jardine would be my logical choice if they didn’t train together, which is why his opportunities are going to dry up if he has to have 3 more fights before a division title fight, he’ll be lucky if he gets those 3 fights over 2 years never mind 1. so there…… : p
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 23, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point
I’m not sure any of the people I mentioned are a step back from Vera. Schafer/Cane would be a good tests of his ground game and submission defense (Schafer) or at least his Kimora defense (Sosynski lol). After that, dethrone Forrest as the face of the UFC and then take on some real competition in Silva or Rampage. Maybe even Nog who by then would have fought for the title and in my opinion lost whether it was against Machida OR Shogun. I mean if they want to wait a year, I think that’s a good year worth of fights right there if he were to fight every 2 or 3 months.
He's far too good to be facing Red, Cane and Krys
Schafer has decent submissions but would get outstruck and thrown around at will by Jones. He’s also much bigger and stronger than Krys and would dominate him on the feet or the ground whilst Cane would get dominated by the superior grappler Bones as well. I agree that he needs more fights before being considered for a title fight but beating lesser competition isn’t the answer, he needs to face guys that will push him and help him to improve his skills. I still think that Thiago is the right man to test him on the feet and the ground, plus they’d both be ready for that fight soon.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Wait the year...
I think Dana just doesn’t want another Vera, who has all kinds of hype and promise (and wants to be paid for it) who eventually fizzles out and turns into a stepping stool for up-and-comers. If Jones waits a year and beats maybe one or two top guys, at least he’ll have more time to grow as a fighter, he’ll prove that his hype is for real and a title fight will just be more marketable. As of right now, he hasn’t beaten anyone good enough to deserve a shot.
Vera was suppose
to be “good enough”. Now that Jones crushed him he wasn’t? Jones is ready physically and mentally for any LHW… right now!
Bones vs. Brock for the HW strap! Book it!
by d*locc on Mar 23, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
...
“Vera was suppose to be "good enough". Now that Jones crushed him he wasn’t? Jones is ready physically and mentally for any LHW… right now”
No, he wasn’t. His hype was as a heavyweight, which is where he died out and became a LHW who wasn’t fighting at all like he had at the beginning of his career. We didn’t see him fight for awhile when his contract ran out because he was asking for ridiculous amounts of money, and when they finally negotiated his contract he came back and lost to Sylvia and Werdum, both of whom have since been cut from the UFC. Since his drop to LHW, he hasn’t beaten anyone worth mentioning, and lost to Randy and Jardine. He’s not “good enough” to merit a title shot, and Jones isn’t as marketable as someone like Lesnar to just warrant being thrown into a title shot right off the bat.
I agree with you on Vera but....
that’s BS! All the hype leading up to this fight was that Vera was suppose to be good enough. And the biggest challenge of Jones’s career to that point. Dana White and Joe Rogan both said it as well. But in your case Jamie, I guess it’s always good to be the Monday morning quarterback. Even though I agree with you that Vera was much better as a HW.
One Step at a Time
There’s no reason to rush Jones to a title shot. Sometimes with a young super talent it makes more sense to let them gradually climb the ladder while things sort themselves out in the top 5.
Bader would make perfect sense. He’s a TUF winner, so there’s some cache in beating a guy like that. Bader hasn’t lost yet either. He’s coming off a big win over gatekeeper Keith Jardine. Solid wrestling with KO power. That’s the best next fight for Jones.
If he can get past Bader, then maybe someone like Lil Nog, depending on how impressive he is against Forrest. If Nog destroys Forrest, then he moves into a slot against someone in the top 5.
The winner of Franklin/Couture is another possibility after the Bader fight.
Hey Dan! It's hard to punch GSP in his face when....
revjames….I never said to rush him. I just said I think he’s ready to fight the top guys in the division right now. Yes, Bader is strong wrestler, but so is Matt Hamill. Jones threw Hamill around like a rag doll. I believe he would do the same to Bader. Jones isn’t Houston Alexander. He’s the real deal.
I agree with you also
You’re right that it was the biggest test, I’m just skeptical as to whether or not it was sufficient enough to earn him a title shot. If he does win a title shot in the near future, I’ll let you know that you were right ducknow lol
Thiago Silva then...
Give him the winner of Rashad vs Rampage.
Wow How many people know the history of this sport?
I even saw one guy Say shogun COULD beat rampage. If you don’t know, shogun already fought rampage, he tko’d him.
People are starting to compare Jones to GSP, well GSP got his first title shot on his 3rd fight
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 23, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions
Third fight in the UFC, he fought before going to the UFC.
He was older than Jones is now and more experienced. I thought you knew the sport?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
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