Dana White: No more 185-pound fights for James Irvin
by Jesse Holland on Mar 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT
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"He looked terrible at the weigh-ins. There was [expletive] coming out of his face. I didn't know if it was skull or scar tissue or what it was. 205 is a tough cut for him. Tonight it looked like the 85 cut killed him. He couldn't get off. He couldn't throw any punches tonight and he was basically getting lit up by Sakara. That's not James Irvin. That's not who he is as a fighter. I really like him a lot but no more 185 for him. He didn't look good yesterday."
UFC President Dana White calls it one-and-done at middleweight for James Irvin, who did his best Skeletor impression at the UFC on Versus weigh-ins followed by a sub-par performance against fellow striker Alessio Sakara on March 21 in Denver. Irvin has been on the sidelines battling health related issues and may find a spot in the light heavyweight division -- if the promotion will have him back. Anyone think the "Sandman" deserves a second chance at 185?
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Dana should feel shitty today
There is no reason that James Irvin should have been on the main card. The guy is coming off a fricken drug suspension and you are going to give him air time in a weight class he’s never fought in before?! I feel bad for Guida. I know he was coming off two loses, but lately he has been bringing it in his fights. Should have been on the main card.
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they should fuck him off
he went off like a kid he was clearly punched but maid out like he’d been poked in the eye it looked to me like he had no intentions of fighting & looked for the first opportunity to get out of there… that’s not how fighters behave
Agree. He looked horrible.
Cut him.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Such strong language
From a guy who can’t make a distinction between “maid” and “made.” Way to choose the pussy term.
He was getting lit up by Sakara and yes that is James Irvin, what was he supposed to do? James is no super striker and would have lost like that on his best day.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
fair enough
Sakara had a great strategy though like i knew he would and his distance was perfect.
Was Irvin supposed to run after him? He is a brawler and fought a superior boxer.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
I think calling Sakara a superior boxer is a stretch. He is decent. Still, a good win for Sakara.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't.
Irvin is a terrible boxer.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
I saw Sakara vs. Leites. Trust me, he is not a superior boxer. However, I agree that Irvin is a brawler and def not a technical striker.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
yea i saw that fight too, Sakara has finally come to understand that he can’t be boxing like he was in a boxing match, 1-2’s and good footwork works perfectly fine and that we he would have outpointed Leben to an easy decision win.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
that way*
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
I disagree. He came back from a long hiatus and at a new weight. Sakara was the beneficiary of a shitty Irvin. No more, no less.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
No. Link or site?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
???
waiting….
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
Dang Dana...do you have a soul in there anywhere?
He really knows how to make fighters feel like shit after shitty fights…motivation.
I wonder what made him think he'd do OK at 85? Dudes shredded at 205
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Right? It made me scratch my head, too.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
the master plan to get a rematch with Anderson
never really got traction.
Doh!
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
Hahaha!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lol...because their first fight was sooo close
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
whatever i personally would let Irvin try one more
Throw him on the undercard whatever. His first fight in 20 months at a debut new weight? I dunno I see it differently I guess.
Also I don’t think Irvin tried to fake an eye poke, I highly doubt he was able to distinguish if he was struck with a finger along with the punch or not, and I feel it may have very well felt like an eyepoke if it hit him wrongly in the eye. Don’t think he cried wolf anyways.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 22, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i agree give him 1 more shot at 85 against bisping to shut that brit up
by randy murders on Mar 22, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
can't believe how many people are defending him
he got punched he’s a fighter he should know what getting punched the eye feel’s like he was trying it on to maybe get a no contest they should get rid
generally you dont get hit in the eyeball like that though, he took a knuckle to the eye which feels just like an eyepoke you wouldnt know that though now would you?
i would know the difference
i’ve been punched in the eye many times its quit possible to fight still after
The sandbag didn't even look like he wanted 2 be in the cage!
Didn’t even look like he even wanted 2 try & fight! Same with Vera I’m always disapointed when I watch him fight but this 1 takes the cake! He got cracked 1 time & pretty much gave up. At least try & finish the round where’s yur heart at? At least gave gonzaga went out on his sheild.
by d*locc on Mar 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What do you reckon bout some more catch weight bouts? Personally I am not a big fan but I think it’s a good way of testing the water. No denying wand looked in alot better shape after having the benefit of his match at 195. Seems since more and more fighters at dropping weights it wouldn’t be too hard to set up matches? Just a thought
by eagzy on Mar 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
not necessary. like many states are doing with high school wrestling, fighters should be subjected to baseline body mass and hydration testing (the float-test, not skin calipers) while at their natural weight to determine how much weight they are allowed to cut.
some of this MMA weight-cutting is getting ridiculous, and it’s different than HS/College wrestling. from my experience wrestling in both HS and college, guys are not doing these massive, one-time 30 pound cuts, they are usually cutting only 10, maybe 15 pounds in extreme cases, but doing it each week since they have a match each week.
i used to cut 10 pounds a week (usually a one-day cut) from 140 to 130 (after initially cutting fat down from 150 to 140) in HS wrestling my junior year, and even though i went 26-4 that year, i puked and severely cramped up after every match. the next year, Maryland instituted pre-season baseline testing and I was only allowed to cut from 162 to 155. I only went 18-12 that year, but was so much healthier and not dealing with the depression that comes from being pressured to cut too much weight.
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
and debuting at a new weight class
And coming off a 2 year layover
And coming off of a drug battle
But I guess there is no room for debate. Apparently its cut and dry that he cannot improve if given the proper chance.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 22, 2010 6:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I liked him at 205 looked strong and used to stand and bang. but it was drugs that gave him that body? i completly forgot he got drug suspended i though he was injured or something.
I was a fool to think Bisping had any chance against the Axe Murderer, and even more foolish to bet agaisnt the great Puck Head.
I thought he was a pain killer type of drug user, not PED?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
He looked badly drawn out at 185. Almost alien like at the weigh ins. He was getting beaten to every punch. Irvin is usually a little quicker than he was. I don’t think he’ll be cut, they should give him another shot at 205 though. I wonder if Vera will get the axe though?
IMO Vera will NOT get the Ax
Too Much Potential to Let Go. Let him Gate Keep.
by AintNoSunshine on Mar 22, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever vera shows nothin and has legions of fans
sandman hasnt done shit i give u that but he tries and this was glitch and now he’s a write off to all. if he wants another shot at 85 i say given the circumstances i listed above he should be give one. now evilgumbo will say something outrageous to dispute this cause im a retard.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 23, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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