Cesar Gracie: If you don’t have Jose Canseco -- then who the hell is Herschel Walker going to fight?
by Jesse Holland on Mar 2, 2010 1:50 PM EST
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"Jose walked into our gym and said, ’hey, I would love to train with you guys. You own three of the belts in Strikeforce. I believe you’re the best camp out there.’ Why wouldn’t we train the guy? Because he wrote a book about baseball and steroids? He’s just like anybody else walking in off the street ... I’ve read some of this stuff too, and I’ve talked to people and they’re like, ‘it’s a farce,’ and ‘it’s a spectacle,’ as if two people fighting in a cage for money isn’t a spectacle, but whatever. People have got to slow down a little bit. This is entertaining. I mean, if you don’t have Jose Canseco then who the hell is Herschel Walker going to fight? Think about that ... I mean let’s face it, this is a money industry. Let’s not make no qualms about that. There would be no UFC, no Strikeforce, no MMA really if people weren’t paying to watch, and I guarantee you’d have well over a million people watching Canseco fight Herschel Walker. It would bring so many fans to the sport."
Cesar Gracie talks about the latest addition to his world famous jiu-jitsu academy and the negative feedback he's received regarding the disgraced baseball star. Jose Canseco has been on a mission to fight Herschel Walker ever since the former NFL great made his successful debut at the Strikeforce "Miami" event back on Jan. 30. Is the steroid stool-pigeon simply looking for a quick hustle to payoff personal expenses? Or is he sincere is his quest to conquer the fight game? Either way, a student is a student according to Gracie. Anyone out there who wants to disagree with that statement?
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this picture cracks me up
Canseco looks like he’s the only one happy to be involved in this photo
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter . . . who makes stairs.
Haha ya
But he is sitting next to the diaz bros lol.
Remember when you started out in this business, I told you the ones who last are the ones who fly straight.
Hey! fuck Caspar Gomez! And fuck the fucking Diaz brothers! I buried those cockaroaches! What they ever do for us huh? We make 70 million on this deal alone. You can’t lose.
Sure money makes the world spin but does it have to come at the integrity of a sport doing everything to gain integrity? We already had the freak show era of MMA with sumo wrestlers and steriod freaks swinging for the fences with no technique. It did nothing but get MMA knocked off pay per view.
Kimbo was a CBS freak show when they hyped him up, look how that turned out. Dana I think has the right approach in this aspect and its why he gave James Toney an offer he knew he would refuse, cuz the UFC stays away from the circus B.S. They took Kimbo, but they play it right with him and bring him along slow. First they give him one hit wonder Houston and now mental midget Matt Mitrione and at the end of the day at least he is a fighter not some washed up pro athlete looking to clear some debts.
I say enough is enough, Let’s not turn MMA into an episode of celebrity boxing on FOX. we’re better than that!
Scarface, one of my favourites,
Hey! fuck Caspar Gomez! And fuck the fucking Diaz brothers! I buried those cockaroaches! What they ever do for us huh? We make 70 million on this deal alone. You can’t lose.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
I have no problem with this.
In fact it almost has a ‘Pride’ vibe going on. Only reason I’d be against this is if they tried to push it off as a main event or market these two as top contenders. It is what it is…an entertaining, somewhat freakish match that people would want to watch.
by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 2, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions
entertaining to who?
sure, it’ll bring in money…but it wont help develop the sport. If we dont develop the amateur athletes, they’ll continue putting these cards together until the sport is dead.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
"..until the sport is dead."
lol get real…the sport won’t die. The organization? Maybe.
Aoki vs Melendez, Hendo vs. Shields more than make up for the ‘freakshow’ that is Canseco/Walker. If people tune into Walker and end up seeing the rest of the “real” fights then it is a success. You don’t think UFC did this with Kimbo and TUF?
by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 2, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Just what I was going to say.
If you have a problem with this, then you have to have a problem with Kimbo and the UFC! I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BOTH!!! Yea it will make money, but good for the sport…..no fucking way!!! Plus Jose is a fn douche!
good point
Sports fans tune in to see jose and herschel, then see the sick match ups after and the spor grows.
Either way I’m one that wants to see this fight, they’re both tae kwon do black belts right or along the lines, it’ll be interesting. I think herschel would destroy him tho.
by Phenomenal Angel on Mar 2, 2010 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed happy little
I don’t mind. And I will watch the fight, and the sport will be fine. Now the ufc boys have one more thing to laugh and point fun at. Go for it. Lol, ill still have my 12 beers and a damned good time with buddies.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 2, 2010 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont agree with Cesar
This is like that Celebrity boxing crap they had. Sure, ppl will tune in…but is that a proper representation of the sport? No. This is a growing sport, and we need everyone to take it seriously, not like a circus.
The mainstream media and non-fans just laugh at our sport when they hear Canseco is goin to be in a main event. I’d rather have fewer educated real fans, then alot more dumbass fans.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
You just described TUF
Reality show circus. Try counting how many F bombs are bleeped out on one episode. Think the mainstream media and non-fans don’t laugh at this show. I am an MMA fan and I can’t even watch it anymore. I just watch the fights at the end. By doing TUF and signing Kimbo and the WWE champ, Dana has shown he’s not above all this drama. I don’t see the difference. Let the guy fight. So he didn’t grow up a Karate master like Machida. Get over it.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Mar 2, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Most of the guys on TUF are actual fighters
lets be real, Canseco isn’t going to be fighting for a title. If SF does this, it’s to make money off his name, not his talents.
I’m not a big TUF fan either. One of my biggest pet peeves in mma is that the show takes the coaches out of fighting for almost a year. The shenanigans on the show brings in more viewers, nobody’s gonna tune in to watch a house full of dudes reading books. When ppl tune in and get to know the fighters, they follow their careers. Some great fighters have come out of TUF, so I see it’s importance in growing the sport.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Exactly
The antics on TUF aren’t helping the sport, but the show itself has helped to bring some really talented fighters up into the big leagues. Canseco though? He’s just a joke looking for a check. Gracie would say anything as long as it gets his “fighter” some publicity. Walker at least has an actual interest in MMA so that’s good, but Canseco is simply looking for a check. Anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional.
Canseco is dead broke and owes the government over $300,000 in back taxes. He just wants a quick pay day. And Josh, do you really think that Jose will be a “good fighter”? He’ll probably get hit once and lie down. He’s getting into MMA for all the wrong reasons. Jose is a joke and will make a mockery of the sportin my opinion. So go ahead Mr. Gracie and the Diaz brothers, train away with Jose. But don’t forget to teach him how to take a proper dive.
does it take the coaches out of fighting for a year?
Im not saying you’re wrong, I just wouldnt have thought that it would take them out for that long.
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter . . . who makes stairs.
Well
On average, 6-12 months. That’s pretty standard too. Look at Bisping/Hendo for example. They bought fought in September/October of 2008, filming began in January, TUF9 came out in March/April, didn’t fight till July. Pretty long layoff for most guys.
Didn’t they originally have the coaches fight on the TUF Finale instead of on a PPV another couple months down the road? I know that’s been done a few times.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
i think the only time the fought on the finale was season 5 wiht BJ and Jens
season 1: randy and chuck fought on ppv
season 2: hughes and franklin foguht different opponents on ppv
season 3 : tito v ken on ppv
season 4: no coaches really
season 5: bj v jens on finale
im really lost after that but you get the point
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.
AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH
Canseco is dead broke and owes the government over $300,000 in back taxes. He just wants a quick pay day. And do you really think that Jose will be a “good fighter”? He’ll probably get hit once and lie down. He’s getting into MMA for all the wrong reasons. Jose is a joke and will make a mockery of the sportin my opinion. So go ahead Mr. Gracie and the Diaz brothers, train away with Jose. But don’t forget to teach him how to take a proper dive.
Agree with everything Gracie said.
Conseco is a former athlete going into MMA. Just like half the other “legit” fighters out there. Just because of his book and his stints on reality television he is somehow a joke. As if TUF wasn’t a joke.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Mar 2, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions
you think if some other less popular athlete (with more talent) walked into Cesars camp, he would be accepted? And get a spot on Strikeforce's card?
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Name one organization
that books fights based only on talent. Of course entertainment value plays into any matchmaker’s formula. Why do you think some of the most talented people don’t get title shots for years while people like Brock Lesnar get title shots with a 1 and 1 record?
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Mar 2, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Every company does it...doesn't make it right.
The UFC puts on the best fights based on talent. Sure, if you have an “image” or a name you get pushed up faster – Kimbo, Brock, Hardy. These guys have talent, but their image sells more than talent. But the UFC is secure in it’s business that they know they can put on the real fights with real fighters. They can easily sign Canseco and make a ton of money, but they’ll lose credibility. Strikeforce will do whatever it takes to make a buck just to compete and stay alive in this business.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
barry bonds is retired now and he is getting a divorce.
he might need some money too after that. i’m sure his name will come up. i have a friend who is not very savvy in the ways of mma. he thinks if tiger woods took some time off (he does have time-off right now. lol.)he would do well in mma. i’m not talking about other guys who are just getting in i’m talking about the top ten fighters in the world. i guess he would be a welterweight.. i told him josh koscheck would destroy him even if he had the most intensive one year training in mma history. koscheck and others would just toy with woods and dish out as much punishment as possible. the guy does not even like golf he just thinks top athletes in other sports could do well immediately.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 2, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Tony Jaa
Would totally kick Tiger Wood’s ass. He just has to look out for the spinning back 9 Iron
by ShowMeYourJits on Mar 2, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
lmao
I think tony jaa would whoop jackie chan and jet Li’s ass at the same time
by Phenomenal Angel on Mar 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In your friends defense
Tiger Woods is in sick shape and apparently an awesome athlete off the golf course. 1 year of training would definitely not prepare Woods for Kos though.
There is no defense for his friend. That is one of the most moronic things that I have ever heard. Period. I would take half of the Maniacs on here to whoop Tiger's ass in an MMA bout.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Mar 2, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with OJ.. Tiger Woods, ha.....
I wonder how Nick Faldo would do in an MMA fight. Tiger wouldn’t last 1 min in the cage against Was Sims.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
I'm a huge Tony Jaa fan
he only weighs like 130 pounds though, and has never fought competatively. but he whoops everything in his movies. Ong Bak 2 has some of the best fight scenes I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 3, 2010 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
I like to watch the odd martial arts movie as long as they're worth watching.
The last 3 pretty decent ones I’ve seen were Ip Man, The Rebel (a must see) and also Blood and Bones with Michael Jai White, the guy has some serious moves, wiki says he has seven different black belts in different martial arts. He is definately as bad as he looks. Kimbo gets his ass kicked, as well as threatening to stab someone with his meat shank in prison.
The only difference is...
That Conseco has garned the image of a gold digger, just doing things for money. The guy is supposedly in debt and needs the cash. Other then that, he should be taken just as seriously as any NFL player that comes to MMA. The guy was a professional athelete, and has a background in some kind of martial art. (Was it karate or Tae Kwon Do?) His public image is the only difference maker in my opinion.
I say let it happen. Maybe the first fight on the televised card. I’ll tune in!
Well said.
Okay that is a good point about the desperation thing. But that’s he is still in great shape for his age as is Walker. I think it’s a good matchup. Also lots of so called “real” fighters have issues. How many times has Rampage said it’s all about the money? Hell he has ducked a fight to get paid. And he’s open as hell about it.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Mar 2, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
i say just let it happen
at first i shuttered at the thought of canseco in the strikeforce ring but the more i hear about it the more i want to see him catch a well deserved beat down
"Theres only two things you need to know about me: I spin more rhymes than a lazy susan, and im innocent until my guilt is proven"
Canseco
Canseco is a sorry excuse for a MMA fighter. If you don’t believe me watch the first round of the Super Hulk Tournament. He took a jab and fell to the ground ate a couple of punches and quit. He didn’t even make an attempt to get back to his feet. Snitch boy(Canseco) is a waste of cage time and has no place in MMA.
From what I remember
He didnt even “eat” any punches at all, he got caught by the wind of one punch standing and then fell down followed by some very weak slow punches that MISSED him on the ground and then it was over.
Was a while since I saw the fight though.
by Lester The Pimp on Mar 2, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that fight was a total joke
It really seemed like he “took a dive” Hong Kong Phooey or whatever that big dude’s name was didn’t land any clean shots and Jose just crumpled and covered up, I think supposedly due to leg injury or some BS. Hershel would brutalize Canseco in minutes, he’d last just long enough to get a paycheck but without getting hurt.
by Captain Ernesto on Mar 2, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
ya but if you all hate Jose anyways, dont you wanna see him get beat up?
I know I loved seeing Paulo KO Hobo The Clown. Shad talking shit and getting dropped by Machida. Forrest get clowned by Spider. The more you hate a guy the more fun it is when he gets clocked. I can’t stand Brock, but when he was rumored to never fight again that didn’t make me happy, I want to see him KO’d ya know?
Maybe it’s just my train of thoughts but, that’s how I am. Joe daddy, and Diego are also recent guys I was happy to see destroyed.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 2, 2010 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i know im just going to sound like a hater...
but mma is not a cheap circus show!!! put on for peoples/ casual fans entertainment.i would rather have mma stay as it is than have casual fans who think this is amusing start watching mma and expressing their misinformed/unwarrented opinions.im tired of trying to convert people to mma.if they dont want to see how great it is then they can just watch gay ass baseball and nascar,n the rest of the seasonal sports(nfl nba).i only watch combat sprts with martial arts background.just like kimbo slice,dana and company trying to ride on his whole youtube momentum and reaching into different markets to try and get viewers.i dont know when people are going to realize that kimbo is garbage and his popularity is taking away from the real mixed martial artist of the sport.i was very despondent when i saw the kimbo action figure ufc came out with.i was not impressed with the whole marketing of tuf 10.those football players didnt have much experience,but i guess they were athletic?since when does football transfer into mma anyways?im sure walker has nothing but respect for the sport,but who is this guy?a great football player who is past his prime?he retired in his sport and now he think he can conquer mma?.to quote dana" first death in mma " its just despicable what strikeforce is doing in marketing this guy.no one knows who luke rockhold is,but herscell walker OMG!!! im not a hater,i just dont agree with drawing viewers at the expense of the purity of the sport, and giving exposure to less deserving individuals who are not real fighters,over real mixed martial artist.
"When are people going to realize that G.S.P is half man half amazing!!!"
Peter Merino(myself)...no im not famous but my quote was published on the ufc website
by mmasavvy on Mar 2, 2010 3:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Am I the only one who took the time to read all that?
Good post mmasavvy. I feel the same way.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
I had to read it too. I agree.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
"If not for Jose, who would fight Herschel Walker"
Who gives a fuck? I don’t want to pay to see either of these idiots fight.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
you dont have to wouldnt it be on the free cbs show?
by Kayo on Mar 2, 2010 4:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought this was the Showtime card. Either way, I'm not interested in amateur MMA on TV.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
bs if u logged in an made a comment on it im sure u would hit a button on ur remote and watch it
by Kayo on Mar 2, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i hate those rebuttals
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
I'm on here commenting on every thread. What else would I be doing at work?
Doesn’t mean I agree with Jose Canseco fighting Herschel Walker on a main card for SF. I thought they were trying to be a legit organization?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
ya but if you guys are going to watch the SF card...
…you’re going to watch this fight. You’re not going to change the channel for it. C’mon you’re not fooling me. You’ll either watch the card or you won’t.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 2, 2010 5:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd prefer them putting on some actual fights, not this crap.
We are going to be stuck watching this fight to see the good fights.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
thats how i feel
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
anyone know who the guy is wearing the canadian tuxedo in this pic?
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter . . . who makes stairs.
I don't see a gold medal on any of these guys.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Conseco is a threat 2 any HW on the planet!
He gots an iron chin as we saw in the hong man choi fight! His cardio is insane as we seen in the Danny bonaduce fight! Throw his black belt in tkd in there & u have probly the most complete HW on the planet! Whoever duznt want him 2 fight knows he’s a force 2 be wreckoned with & is afraid he’ll f’up yur fav fighter!
by d*locc on Mar 2, 2010 4:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
AND his wife is in his corner
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
i dont see why people cry over athletes from other sports bringing over new fans. Are they not real fighters because they had a different occupation before they stepped into fighting??
If that is the case point me out a fighter who never has had another job before fighting.
by Kayo on Mar 2, 2010 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Jose Canseco isn't a real fighter because I watched him fight and he is shit
Obviously there are guys who play other sports and start MMA and are good, but Jose Canseco isn’t one of those guys. Would you rather watch 2 fighters fight or Jose Canseco fight someone? If you choose the latter, I would bet you started watching MMA when Kimbo Slice started didn’t you?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
What type of fans you think are gonna tune in?
Anyone who doesn’t watch MMA now, and then tunes in to watch Jose Canseco fight, will leave with a bad taste in their mouth. Same shit happened with the Kimbo hype in EliteXC. Dana’s milking Kimbo slowly, because he knows he’s valuable, but not worth bankin your entire business on (unlike EliteXC). You think new fans will “get it” like most of us already have by watching Canseco? Call it a freakshow or not, I don’t care, but this is just about making money, at the cost of the sport. Canseco will bring in money because of his name – dont say he’s like every other fighter starting out. Who the fuck would watch this if he never swung a bat? Nobody.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
You guy crack me up
You sit her and preach about how this will discredit the sport. Do you remember the state of the UFC before TUF? That circus show increased ratings. Then you laughed when Brock came to the UFC saying “that’s a Joke” but ratings again increased. Just remember one thing. Any Publicity is good publicity. True fans will see it for what it is, a gimmick fight and none of them will stop watching the sport after. But if 100 people tune in just because of that fight and 2 like it enough to watch again, then the fight was worth it. I personally would rather watch that fight then two guys who will never be anything, who I have never seen fight. So quit your bitchin and enjoy the show!
" I personally would rather watch that fight then two guys who will never be anything..."
Those are 2 guys who will never be anything in mma.
What about young up and comers like Phil Davis. I was so impressed with this kid. I’d like to see more no-name talent than big-name letdowns.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
btw Joseph, Welcome.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
im cool with it!
And I don’t hate Jose either like most ppl. Its a trend I chose not to follow. He’s not a bad guy.
Douche this, idiot that, moron, blah blah blah, I get it.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 2, 2010 4:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You would say that about anything SF does though.
A good person? You actually said Jose Canseco is not a bad guy?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
yes i did say that
Jay please go back in the archives and look at ANY of the Jose threads. Even the recent ones. I have defended him in each one. Long before the SF talk. I don’t feel like typing the same thing over again just yet. But you can take my word on it.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 2, 2010 5:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying that you are changing your story. I just find it hard to believe that you think Jose is a good guy.
Scott Coker could kill someone and you would still think it was a good decision. How is Jose a good person? You do know who he is and what he has done right?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Jose is not a bad person. He is just a pitiful guy who lost money and is desperate. MMA is willing to take a chance on him. BUT look at his history, its only about the $$$. Bad guy, no. Transparent, yes.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Mar 2, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's a bad person for.....
Taking steroids and lying about it, basically ruining an entire decade of my favorite sport, then ratting everyone else out for it. He just seems to lack character in my eyes. None of this even touches on the fact that he is a two time loser for domestic abuse, or the numerous arrests for bar fights.
Jose Canseco is anything but a ‘good guy’.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
exactly why dont hate him.
Or think he’s a bad guy. You can pawn all your hatred on him no matter how un warranted it is, but fact is he didn’t make the other dozens and dozens of your favorite ball players do roids. They chose their own path. You say he’s a liar and then call him out for being honest in the same sentence. He was the one who said he did them and so does everyone else. Baseball fans seem to think that by just blaming one guy they can now ignore the fact the whole sport is tainted and filled with many more than one guilty face to this situation.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 2, 2010 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad he finally confessed. But why rat everyone else out? Because he wanted to make money on his book sales.
You think he’s a good guy even though he’s been charged with spousal abuse twice, with different women? The only reason he’s ever done anything is to make a buck. Do you think he would have been the hero and outed all those players if it didn’t benefit him? NO. He’s a selfish prick and can rot in hell for all I care.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
ha ha but not all the other cheaters in ball riiight?
Hell, throw McGwire and Bonds in the Hall of Fame! They didn’t rat anyone out! They were more then okay with the sports biggest lie being kept a secret like the rest were and still are. Oh wait, they still look right into the camera, under oath, and swear they’re never used! Bet that’s the truth. That’s very man like. I can respect that.
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by daniel worby on Mar 2, 2010 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't respect those assholes either. I don't respect a single one of those cheating bastards.
Also the HOF is keeping Bonds and Big Mac out of the hall. Canseco had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing-when he was still playing. He did a tell all after all 32 teams said ‘no thanks’ to his services. He’s no saint, and I can’t believe you would take 3 seconds out of your life to defend him in any way. Canseco also lied, when he was playing, he only told the truth when he was done. Yeah, real stand up guy that Jose Canseco.
Did I mention the fact that he was caught smuggling drugs recently? Or that he was arrested and convicted for beating up two different wives/gf’s. You seem to ignore that stuff.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
all this steroid stuff is on such a fine line
i like that he exposed the secret, but he did it to sell a book. He did it for himself. I guess its a good thing at the end. But I would never be a fan of his and I want him as far away from MMA as possible. There is no good publicity with Canseco. The guy is one step above Tonya Harding when it comes to public opinion. Daniel, I don’t know how you can support this douche.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
One step above Tanya Harding...exactly.
Daniel is only supporting him because he feels he needs to agree with everything SF does. You’re not being a fan, daniel, you are being a blind nuthugger.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Who's Walker going to fight? How about Rolles Gracie?
If “The Mexicutioner” can knock out Rolles, I bet Walker sure as hell could!
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I like the occasional “freakshow” fight. It won’t be the most technical fight, but for me it’s all about interesting match-ups, and Walker/Canseco could be interesting to see who would win between the two, just as it would be interesting to see who would win between a trained Sylvester Stallone and a trained Arnold Schwarzenegger (in their primes) or Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal.
Of course, we need not get ahead of ourselves and put it into any kind of comparative category of, say, an Anderson Silva vs. Shogun Rua match-up, but it’s easy to get wrapped up in an elitist mindset where all you wanna do is see top-level action.
Match-ups don’t have to be between the two best to be worthy of praise. I could be entertained by a fight between a homeless derelict who just pissed his pants and an emo punk with a “please kick my ass” tattoo inscribed on his forehead for having such a lame hairstyle. As long as it had some good action it would be interesting.
A lot of people bag the Bonnar/Griffin fight for getting so much credit despite technical deficiencies and sloppy action, but it was a good, scrappy fight — a good matchup — which admittedly wasn’t the best showcase of technical skill but did showcase a well-contested, entertaining fight between two guys who are trying to knock each other’s lights out.
If Canseco/Walker was to be a snoozefest fight then it’ll cop the necessary criticism it’ll have coming to it.
Can't believe they would even let him train there
Diaz Bros looked thrilled as usual.
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