James Toney: 'I want Brock Lesnar'
by Jesse Holland on Mar 12, 2010 12:23 PM EST
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That's according to "Lights Out" on tonight's episode of Inside MMA:
"I want Brock Lesnar. I'm the heavyweight champion of the world vs. the UFC champion. That'd be a hell of a match ... Chuck Liddell, Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Tito, Tito Ortiz-whatever his name is, it doesn't matter. I'm not a sideshow. This is the real deal right here."
In other words, he's looking for a massive payday so that he can be one and done. Do any Toney sympathizers have an argument for the aging pugilist upsetting the current heavyweight champion? Hard to imagine he could land even one shot before getting a double-leg right through the cage door -- but I guess anything can happen, right? To find out what else he said about the crop of Zuffa heavyweights, tune in tonight at 9:00 p.m. ET on HDNet.
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This is a joke
enough already , Dana should of never even talked to this fracker.
Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv
sorry,
the ‘fracker’ comment-“frack” is a word that they use in that show to replace “fuck”. my roomate just started watching the show and he was telling me about it. i usually see “fock” as the word to use on here, so i thought ‘frack’ was possibly some battlestar coming out in you lol. sorry, i havent had more than 3 hrs of sleep a night all week, so forgive me if i soud a little out of it.
by Andrew Keller on Mar 12, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
BSG is a cool sci-fi show, AK. (OJR = sci-fi and MMA geek)
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Add comic book geek to the list also
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lol hey i've got my fair share of nerdiness too man
and seeing as we are all talking to each other via a blog (although the most badass blog on the net) we all have a little nerd in us
by Andrew Keller on Mar 12, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Cool
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Not me
Im fonzy
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy. (leans back and throws thumbs out)
Funny that I have shit bigger than Henry Winkler and he played one of the coolest cats of all time.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Pretty Boy’s had a few geeks in him as well.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Brock would have to register as a sex offender after they fought
He would absolutely rape Toney.
by SHORT_BUS on Mar 12, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
SB. Very nice, sir.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lmao 2
i hope toney dont kum out with dumb shit to say every 2-3 days. i started off likeing him from long time ago but he is starting to get on my M/F nerves kum on bro get some mma fight under ur belt B4 u kall out the ufc HWC. its not gonna happen, or IMO it shouldnt kuz i never seen a brock fight were he didnt take a person down an i juz dont know if u have enough skills to move tat big boy off of you.
YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYBODY SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL PLEASE YOU!!!!!!!
by BigDickChainey on Mar 12, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t care if Toney ss the HW champ of all of Heaven and the universe, he would be lucky to last two minutes with Brock.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Less than 2 minutes.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He would take more than two mins
I would demand it be a title fight so it goes all five round with Brock shaggin the shit out of him. Also paying the ref off so he want stop the fight as much as Toney taps due to strike from the top. Ahhh made me all happy in side just thinking about that there. The funny thing is am not a Brock fan but I would be right behind him If that fight was to ever take place.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Mar 12, 2010 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Run across the ring, absorb a punch or 2 and bearhug Toney for a TD = About 20 seconds. Get control as Toney wriggles like a fish = 20 seconds. Pounds on Toney like he did to Mir = 30 seconds. Total time = less than 2 minutes.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Sorry i didn't make myself clear
I would want him to take more than 2 minutes i would want that fight to go the distance just so it would be more damage inflicted on lights out foney than he would really need to take. Just so he would fuck off quicker than he came in.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Mar 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. Toney is just trying to make $$$. I don't like it but I understand his shit talking...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Yeah
He is playing a smart game. But he will make alot of enemys in the process. And it will also make it that much harder to walk away if thing dont go his way.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Mar 12, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
making enemy's = $$$
look at brock
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
You want to see the real James Toney??
Offer him the fight, but only as a winner take all. We’d all get a chance to see how quickly he can backpedal…
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
The only response appropriate to this...
OOPS!!!
by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 12, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Im sick of people saying that Fedor is not a technical striker.......
His standard method of attack is to maintain distance and then burst in to strike with hooks, committing hard to the attack and then either initiating a clinch or pulling back to a distance. This is based off the striking in combat sambo, where if you remain close to your opponent without clinching or throw multiple light strikes, they will catch your jacket and throw you. Strikes in sambo don’t gain you much in the way of points, so you have to throw with serious intent to hurt every time – this is evident in Fedor’s style.
His method is possible because he has amazing reflex time and footwork, much of which can only really be appreciated by watching in slow motion or just watching his feet or head – watch his entire body at normal speed and it won’t be very evident what he is doing. He stays on his toes, bounces around, and then shifts that momentum forward to attack, which is why countering him is hard. The one consistent opening is to counter him when he attacks full out, but he hides this opening well. His reflex time is off the charts and so far he has been able to recover his defenses after every wild-looking swing.
AA did manage to have some success with a counter striking strategy based on straight punches (something I had argued for previously) but he did very little damage in actuality as Kusok and agonzalez pointed out in a thread I believe is entitled “Fedor facts” suffice to say, that almost every punch AA threw and was actually defended with head movement or shoulder rolls.
Check out “Fedor facts” then rewatch the AA fight. Watch Nog II and CC, particularly CC to see him win on the feet in style. Hopefully this response answers most of your question – don’t examine his style from a MT, boxing, or kickboxing perspective, view it from a combat sambo perspective and see how it translates to MMA, then factor in his physical gifts.
Good post John. Depends how you define “technical”, I guess. He is certainly awesome in some technical aspects of striking, but since he never sets up his power shots with a jab, and tends to exclusively wing haymakers, the untrained eye could see his striking as sloppy.
What Fedor does would probably only work for Fedor, because of the gifts he has that you alluded to. So in that sense he is not technical, because you wouldn’t want to teach a beginner that style. But in the sense that he is accurate, has good timing and footwork, and knows how to use his body to sit down on his shots to get every ounce of power out of them, he is very technical. Like I said, depends on the definition.
Shit, I just assisted your thread jack. Oh well.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
hmmmmm......
Brock via murder
" Im surprised GSP can get his jeans on with all these people clinging to his nuts"- Dan Hardy
he's looking for a massive payday so that he can be one and done.
pretty much sums it up.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Good
I want to be one and done with Toney too.
This guy needs to be put away. Have someone kick him in the legs so much that he can’t come out for round 2. Have someone take him down, let him up, take him down, rinse and repeat.
Any other ideas on how to finish off ‘The Mouth’?
by Reciprocity on Mar 12, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
hahhahahah fuck off Looney Tooney
go & buy your self a big tube of glue some carrier bags & a lighter & fuck off back to Noddy land
Can any1 smell a Tim Sylvia vs Ray mercer upset?
Me either but it wud still be fun ad hell 2 watch =D
by d*locc on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ha ha mutha fuckin ha
wow this dude is crazy man!! no not confident crazy stupid!!
My Balls Your Chin
GnP is the only way.
Brock would not KO Toney. He would have to out wrestle him. I’m curious if anyone would stand and trade with him actually. Would not be a long fight is they did.
by grasshopper_80 on Mar 12, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions
K.O.'S don't only happen standing. ....
Brock could smash his face thru the canvas on the ground
-This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
by PSYQO78 on Mar 12, 2010 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
toneys striking wont be that great in the cage i et my cookies on it!!
when u dont need to worry about being taken down u can really open upwt strikes.. not the case in mma.. toney will not win in the ufc. if i were in the ufc id wanna stand just to beat him at his own game!
My Balls Your Chin
by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
im not getting all this talk?
toneys predominant defence was shoulder on the jaw with other glove protecting the other side of his face aka the philly crab.it wont work with these tiny gloves! people slag walker this signing is a joke imo hes going sds with oquendo and batchelder his days are long gone!!! id even put my house on eddie sanchez beating him!!!
I have absouletly had enough already...
Please give him a well rounded fighter Dana and end this nonsense.
imo if Dana doesn't give him a well rounded fighter he will be shooting himself in the foot
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Yeah. Dana ain’t passing up this gravy train. Especially since the Kimbo Express could come off the rails at any moment.
As for Toney, if you followed this guy in boxing you will understand that he is borderline mentally ill. He says crazy shit all the time.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
And that is what makes him awesome as a boxing great because he can hype up a fight.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Yep, he’s gonna drive people fucking crazy on this site. I will just sit back and enjoy it.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. If he was way younger I would support it but it looks like just a money grab for him...and DW.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
No, I’ll enjoy that too. I’ll enjoy it all.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
So you made your peace with it, JJ? I am still angry at the whole integrity of MMA deal but I will just bite my tongue. I would feel the same way if an old AS decides to get into boxing and gets headlines over new talent.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I’m just going sit back and enjoy the ride. I’ve given up on either sport ever having a consistent level of integrity. This whole debacle should at least provide some fun moments.
I’m a glass half full guy today. OJ. Weekend and all.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I know alot of people think dana is all about the money
but the fact that this fight wont happen proves that he puts the integrity of the sport above money. i believe that Dana actaully cares alot about the sport and wants it to grow, but giving someone with 0 mma fights a shot at the most prestigous mma title in the world would take away from the sport’s integrity. and he even knows that brock would smash him. brock played around with a little stand up in the 2nd mir fight, but no way would he even think of standing with toney for a second. it would be a complete mauling.
this is a waste of time to talk about.
he’ll never get a title shot let alone a win in the ufc… stop wasting ur breath..of fingers.. come on maniacs we know better.
My Balls Your Chin
Yeah I can see Randy but no way Brock right now anyway
Toney is jsut talking and knows to be heard he has to include a popular MMA name to get in the headlines. Wonder why he never said Machida? Because Brocks name is bigger.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You only make a big payday if you win
He won’t stand a chance against Lesnar who is prolly 3 times his size. He would ground and pound him deep into the floor imo.
stick with the 205 ers, your an underdog vs the entire 205 division imo
by fedor spiderush st.gracie on Mar 12, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions
If Dana gives this guy a stand up brawler for his first fight, then he stand pretending this isn’t a freak show. I like James Toney as a boxer, and have no problem with him trying mma, but he’s calling out the best so give it to him.. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t fight even though he signed a deal. He’s going to refuse anybody who isn’t a big draw and who believes that james toney and brock are ever going to fight.
i agree, give him a hard opponent first
I doubt Brock , cause he has top guys waiting for him, but he mentioned tito chuck or randy. randy is the tuffest and bbest of those 3. I would like to see lil nog or rampage, guys that have boxing and or would try to ko toney.
I was impressed seeing toney box, but i like to see people get what they ask for , even if its a tall order.
by fedor spiderush st.gracie on Mar 12, 2010 1:06 PM EST reply actions
Question for all of you????
What and What if Tony wins by KO in his first fight….say it be against a top heavyweight..then what? I mean its a fight and you cant rule it out
It's possible for sure
I don’t think the UFC will give him a top five fighter in either division as a first fight though, I can see Randy though he isn’t on the top but he still has a big name in the sport and making a big PPV draw.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
it would depend on who his opponent is...if he kos Hardonk? Who cares? but if he Kos a decent well rounded fighter with a good record? I don't know
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
If he wants to KO Brock he’ll have about a 2-3 second window to it, between the time the bell rings and the time Brock plants him on his back.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
he has no chance of beating Brock, none what so ever....it would literally be like shooting fish in a barrel
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I dont understand all the hate towards Toney
He isnt calling out retires like Tito. He wants to fight top shelf competition. Whats wrong with that? Sure he hasnt earned his bones in mma, but I will never hate a guy for wanting to fight real fighters not cans. Lastly Dana and the Fertitas are about making money guys they dont run a non profit organization. Believe it or not there are fighters who are gonna want to stand with Toney cause they’ll want to test themselves against a striker with big hands. Some fighters fight for the check and hype but alot fight to test themselves and see how good they actually are or will be. Just enjoy the fights. Alot of guys on here remind me of the fans that boo when the action goes to the mat. Fuck I miss Pride, intelligent fans who enjoy all aspects of a fight and you could hear a pin drop when two guys were doing switches for 4 minutes.
RIP - SHO'NUFF SHOGUN OF HARLEM "I got something real for yo ass in these hands right here" FN CLASSIC
by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on Mar 12, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions
Very well said except
The Pride intelligent fans part. You must be new on here becasue many of the fans on here were Pride fans. Some fans wether they were Pride fans or not prefer the stand up to the ground game and is nothing new to MMA. If you actually look at the fan fauvorites in Pride the large majority was also stand up fighters from Wandy, Rua, Fedor, Belfort. Cro Cop and others were some of the biggest draws. I myself loved the ground game as well as the stand up and fighters like barnett and NOG were always a pleasure to watch. I agree the booing of some fans is brutal but for the most part especially on this site respect all styles, if you watched the NOG and Randy fight there was very few boos and many excited fans watching to ground artist battle. But when I fighter has another fighter down and does little damage and little action is happening I think the booos are warranted.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
good call with the new on here
been on about a month. If i run into more guys like you Puck then this will be the only site I check out well said
RIP - SHO'NUFF SHOGUN OF HARLEM "I got something real for yo ass in these hands right here" FN CLASSIC
by TheAntiBritishTinCanHypeMachine on Mar 12, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Right on bud and welcome, there is the occasional troll on here too
But for the most part there is hardcore MMA fans. Debates sometimes get heated and there are many biased opinions but all in all I’ve been on other sites this site is far the best in my opinion.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Would any of the athletic commissions even sanction Toney vs. a top ranked HWY in MMA?
Call Keith Kiser!!
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Good question Ulf
I guess it depends were the fight will take place.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
If Herschel Walker can be denied a competitive bout, I don't see Toney getting a crack at anyone above journeyman level.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
brock would be the worst one for you toney!
once you are down, and youd be going down quick, do you really think youd be able to get up?
My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!
Toney wants Lesnar...
…And I want a mansion on Star Island filled with strippers and money, but wishing just doesn’t make it so.
aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............strippers and money. What were we talking about again?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Reasonable fights in no specific order
Keith Jardine
Chuck Liddell
Roy Nelson
Rich Franklin
Cheick Kongo
Mirko Cro Cop
Matt Hamil
Fedor….. jk :)
Does anybody disagree those would all be reasonable fights? If not please respond and ill share my opinion why
Because if his name is Keith Johnson then the Dean of Mean makes no sense....
You're right Mike Goldberg - Joe Rogan
maybe...depends on Toney's weight class..how are you classifying reasonable?
Hamil is a world class wrestler so how would that be reasonable? just askin…
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
He is a decent sized LHW which would be a good fit since we dont know where JT will be fighting
He is a top level wrestler with heavy but wild hands. He is exactly the type of MMA fighter that boxing purists often say would be picked apart by a pro-boxer. This could be a perfect test for that theory.
Hamill has great heart and a decent chin, plus a loss would not really hurt his career that much and a win could do him wonders! I think he has a reasonable ‘name’ for Toney to fight considering he has 0 MMA fights to his name.
IMHO – Toney would win
Because if his name is Keith Johnson then the Dean of Mean makes no sense....
You're right Mike Goldberg - Joe Rogan
fair enough...but Hamil's got a good chin and could withstand a shot or 2
He’d take Toney down within seconds of each round and Toney would not get up cause he’s old, fat and tired
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Yea ok
You think Hamil can take a James Toney punch? lolol
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
why not? I can understand why many guys around here don't like you
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
LMAO
So why cant he beat Brock y cant he stop a takedown?… Your logic is as stupid anything ive seen.
I can see your a Boxing hater just by reading your dumbass comments on this blog. So a argument with you wont settle anything. BTW 8 oz gloves are not that much bigger than 4 oz actually not at all. The weight on a boxing glove is distributed thorughout the whole hand and wrist. MMA gloves are primarily 4 oz or knucle.
I say that because you posted something stupid about Toney getting hit with MMA gloves.
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Mc actually boxes as far as I know so I lol'd at your stupid comment...
“I can see your a Boxing hater just by reading your dumbass comments on this blog.”
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Don't bother with that one. The shit gets deeper below tkkpal.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I better throw on my shit waders so.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
I should have taken my own advice....
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Mac a boxing hater!?
Not quite a bullseye that comment.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
haha...no a chance..I love boxing and have boxed since grade 8
Do I pay to watch boxing?? No way…will i watch Pacman/Clottey? For sure… I do box, but I consider myself a fan of watching MMA on TV first and foremost
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
grade 8?? wow. now I feel old. thats 20 years ago...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
actually I would love to learn jits but don't have the time
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I said...
Matt Hamill has a decent chin. If JT hit anyone square on it would be almost certainly KO.
I want to fuck.... I want tooo fight, with Chuck...here. FUCK CHUCK! - Wanderlei Silva
continue here
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
To be continued...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Matt Serra is World Class Ju Jitsu
And gets destroyed by All American Wrestlers that are bigger whats your point? Yoshida is a Judo medalist and get his ass kicked in grappling sometimes . Dan Henderson has been quoted as saying he has been taken down by GUYS WHO DONT EVEN HAVE GREAT WRESTLING.. whats your point Mcarthur besides HAting ON BOXING
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not so much of a disagreement as an observation, just seems the majority of those guys would be willing to stand and trade with Toney. Even Hamill can get lulled into forgetting his wrestling and slugging it out.
I think match-ups depend on what exactly they’re planning to do with him. Does Dana want to show a boxer getting beat to prove MMA is better, or do they want to build him up? Is it confirmed yet whether he’d fight at HW or 205?
Funny
all the people hating on his WANT to fight the best are the same guys that will be on his Dick when he KO’s Everyone on that list that CHOOSES to stand with him. Guaranteed he can beat 2 possibly 3 out of those guys. People fail to realize that WORSE WRESLTERS have won in the UFC EX HOuston Alexander…. TONEY IS A TOP LEVEL ATHLETE. All you Grapplers get over youself and stand up.. leave the getting down to the women
TONEY IS A TOP LEVEL ATHLETE
Underneath all that fat, there may still be an athlete, but really? Do you believe the shit you are spewing? What makes you think Toney can wrestle better than Alexander? Toney doesn’t even know what a leg kick is, what makes you think he can stop a takedown once?
KO’s Everyone on that list that CHOOSES to stand with him.
Why would anyone choose to stand with him? You win by taking away your opponents strength. Only fools try to take an opponent at his strength. Read Sun Tzu. People have known that for thousands of years.
And for the record, I like Toney and have defended his position, but you sir, take the boxing love a little too far. Boxing is one aspect of MMA, but has NEVER proven to neutralize good grappiling EVER.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Nicely done
Your last line is very good and true good one i’ll give you that. But not every MMa fighter has your cowardly approach to fighting. Some guys will stand with him but use different tools, Kicks, punches clinching name it. I think Toney will KO anyone STandiing i dont see anyone taking at least ONE SHOT.
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
He's never proven to be a one-punch KO guy at heavyweight.
And my cowardly way of fighting = you having:
a) A broken arm
b) A dislocated shoulder
c) A broken ankle
d) unconcious
e) All of the above because once I get my fucking hands on you, I will do whatever the fuck want. And I WILL get my hands on you.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
You must be ready to
eat everything on your way in and trust me you will GET HIT!!
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I have accepted that. Have you accepted the outcome?
My point goes back to the fact that boxing does not neutralize grappling.
Big dick contest over. You win. We are on the internet after all, and I actually enjoy your point of view. (without the name calling)
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
LOl
my thing is this grappling does great things… but you know KO’s do happen so its all about odds in the end.. anyway im out i been on this for an hour
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Give him Lesnar so. No problem for me to watch him being blasted out.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
Toney VS DOS SAntos
Dos SAnto will be the only man to get KO like a champ and prove y No one should Stand with James TOney
Toney VS DOS SAntos
the real ZACK = really big troll. First you troll my post then post your own trolling comments. Yaaa put JT in there with a Kickboxer like JDS and see what happens.
Do you think Toney would even be able to get close enough to hit JDS while avoiding all those leg kicks.?
I want to fuck.... I want tooo fight, with Chuck...here. FUCK CHUCK! - Wanderlei Silva
Really dont know
what troll means and I didnt know you made that post already
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ive Been saying it since the first post
Toney vs Dos SAntos
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
UFC wants Toney around...
I’m thinking the UFC/MMA has peaked when it komes to demographic and or fan base… News of Toney signing with the biggest, most legit MMA organization in the world has already gained the interest of new fans, and not the fans interested in a FREAK SHOW… Toney’s a legit fighter/brawler, someone new and hardcore fans are interested in seeing fight… Hardcore fans will accept him after he records that first KnockOut of the night;) The UFC will give him kompetitive fights or fighters he has a khance to beat impressively… LOL!!! Kan anyone imagine the trash talking we would get from Toney if he wins??? We may see the first UFC kasualty!!! The headlines will read, “Toney implodes in ring during post fight interview following brutal first round KO victory”!!!
by DADEAL1 on Mar 12, 2010 2:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What're you basing this opinion on?
“I’m thinking the UFC/MMA has peaked when it komes to demographic and or fan base”
Albino Mormon 4 Life
My opinion is based on...
The UFC’s product has kaptured its primary or intended/target audience… This means the UFC needs something and or SOMEONE new to promote (they are in the fighter/fight PROMOTION business)… Its a business 1st Dakatak, and like any good kompany they are kontinuously looking to expand their business, which in this kase is DEMOGRAPHIC and or FAN BASE…
The UFC brings in foreign non-domestic fighters, who get their ASSes handed to them, all the time… Does not matter to much if they win or lose, so long as they get more ppl to watch the UFC…
I get that it's a business.
What I don’t agree with is this: “The UFC’s product has kaptured its primary or intended/target audience”
You’re being either naive or insulated to believe that the UFC has peaked (or even captured the majority of) for its intended audience: males, ages 18-34. The UFC doesn’t try to bring in new types of long-term viewers with these signings… it’s just trying to capture the attention of the mainstream because it will bolster the publicity and get the word out. But make no mistake, Dana and Co. are still after the 18-34 year old men… anyone else who latches on is icing on the cake.
Albino Mormon 4 Life
So the UFC and Boxing have the same audience???
Two very similiar sports who have different audiences…
They both have much of the same audience when it komes to age, but boxing has a much broader (age) diverse (kulture) audience … Well, they use to anyways (no one really watches boxing, except for blockbuster fights)…
They’re many different variables that play a factor in who watches MMA…The MMA fan base will stay young and male due to the industries that back it… Off hand I kan think of two (2), Klothes and Sports suppliments… The OLDER and more Kulturally diverse audiences the UFC needs to expand will not buy in to the UFC/MMA for those reasons alone… I see your point, but I feel there is a way for them to keep males, ages18-34 (mainstream, bread and butter) and expand their audience base at the same time…
Thanks for the clarification
I think we’re saying the same thing. The UFC’s audience can grow in depth and breadth, meaning the core base of 18-34 is nowhere near tapped (which is how I interpretted your original post), and there are lots of other demographics that can be brought on board. I think we’re on the same page when I say I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive, and that simply because you want to expand into other demographics it doesn’t mean that you’ve reached the pinnacle of your core demo.
Albino Mormon 4 Life
Lesner vs Toney
All fights start standing but but is Toney fast enough to catch Lesner when he shoots anybody shead some light on that
Of all the things I have lost I miss my mind the most.
Trool from wiki :)
Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response1 or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion
You except your on topic :)
I want to fuck.... I want tooo fight, with Chuck...here. FUCK CHUCK! - Wanderlei Silva
IM no Troll
My opinions never dont change i dont do this for attention.. I just have different opions then most of you guys… I like Boxing thats my shit , and I love MMA take it how you want its not that serious for me to need people to get mad.
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
My opinions never dont change
So they do change?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Zack, I loving boxing, too. And I defend it but you should not call posters stupid, that's all. Other than that, you have just as much a right to be here as anybody else.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Listen Man
when i call someone a name is not meant to be hurtful. If i could say it ’the tone wouldnt offend anyone.
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, that's your style but you have to know that we don't roll that way around here so don't be surprised when other posters start posting shit right back at you. Just saying.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Its all good
i get destroyed all the time on this thing.
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Man, you make some good points. Trust me. Just chill with the names and I guarantee you that other posters will have your back when it comes to boxing. I love it. And some other posters like it, too. Trust.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
thats whats up
i appreciate that you got it
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
dont change
now your going to be a picky bitch
calm down and take two seconds to re-read what you want to tell us so we understand.
I appreciate your passion for boxing, but that comment made no sense and deserved the smartass comment.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
the real zack?
i’ve defended you when others have called you names and now your on this thread insulting anyone who dosnt agree with you. just man up and make your point with out the name calling and maybe your opinions will get a little respect…
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 12, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
i don't get it
why would someone who’s had a carrier like Toney & who’s probably swimming in money want to put there health on the line fighting in mma if he wants to fight why doesn’t he stick to boxing its the most stupid carrier choices he could possible make
I can see your little ass right there in the middle. Are you standing on something?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
personally in my own humble opinion......
there is no difference to jt entering mma, than there was to a multiple time karate champion like lyoto machida, or a multiple time bjj champion like demian or a multiple time wrestling champion like brock and every one else entering mma. if toney thinks he can enter and succeed in mma with only one discipline under his belt, no matter how good he is at that discipline, (and imo the weakest mma discipline), he is going to learn some painful lessons, especially when he carries so much “non lean muscle”( to be kind to him), yes every fight starts standing, but i doubt he would make it out of the first round against anyone.
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions
Aww leave zackey alone
I understand and respect your outlook on boxing. But you have to realize Toney is 1 dimensional (as far as we know).
Putting him against any top 10 HW? Let alone JDS is ludacris. He will leg kick him to death before he even gets in close to punch him.
Just when JT thinks the leg kicks wont stop in comes the TD. In the case JDS has to obv advantage.
I want to fuck.... I want tooo fight, with Chuck...here. FUCK CHUCK! - Wanderlei Silva
Yea but
Im just saying i think he will at least have some takedown defense. You guys are just betting on him get man handled by anyone and i doubt that. My point is that this is MMA not wrestling of BJJ Guys have been taken down by others who have no ground skill.
I would bet alot of money that he gets manhandled by a NCAA champion wrestler that outwweighs him by 50 pounds, 80 if you discount the fat.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
Your making some bold statements
any wager on TOneys first FIght? IM taking Wagers
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
We could do it official
for money or just bragging.. doesnt have to be alot and im no ASS Better
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
it has to be before the opponent is announced. its going to be an MMA fighter right? lol so there you go
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
So if Brock beats Toney I CAN’T have 10 minutes of your ass to do what I want with it?
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
P-Dub...
please tell me that was directed at Zack (or at least at his hind quarters). ;-)
Albino Mormon 4 Life
To Zack
If it is against Brock Lesnar, I will be maxing out my LOC, Taking loans on both my IRA and 401(k). Cashing in my whole life policies and borrowing money from every friend I have to bet on Lesnar beating Toney. That fight will NEVER happen.
And betting on/or against Toney before knowing his opponent is silly.
I bet you $5 you can’t tell me what’s in my hand? How’s that for an unknown bet?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
y
its going to be an MMA fighter that knows more grappling than Toney right. So there you go put the bet on your MMa fighter and i’ll go with the boxer thats it.
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
lmao
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
@ wang
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Your close P-dub...one nut. The Big Red One!!
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
let him have a warm up fight against bj penn...
the result would still be the same……………..or any top light weight, give him his 80lb head start….. and watch the outcome…..it would still be the same…
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
he will
have some kind of td defense. Lol WTF else would he train for?
But can he check kicks? Can he throw kicks?
I want to fuck.... I want tooo fight, with Chuck...here. FUCK CHUCK! - Wanderlei Silva
Toney hasn't really trained in 10 years anyway. What makes anyone think he will start now?
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
And i bet you that
Any Olympic wrestler will get destroyed by any Golden Glove amateur boxer. Posibly KO
We r talking strickly wrestlers or boxers
before you jump in read
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Depends if the striker can connect before he is taking down by the wrestler
And really that is were Toney will win or lose most battles if the wrestler can avoid being hit with a solid strike and get toney down I think it’s game over for Toney against a world class wrestler.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
ill go against that
ive sparred many times and uve only got 2 avoid 1 shot to get inside and clinch,then its takedown time.
Regardless Toney is a good sign for the UFC
A world class boxer in MMA, how will he do? Maybe he’ll, maybe he’ll be good or maybe he will just. But there is no doubt he will be of great interest the first couple fights at least anyway.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Puck
thats what its all about. The sshit talking stops and we’ll see who was right all along and who gets shitted on
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not a world class boxer anymore, so that question isn’t going to be answered anytime soon.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
you dont see the point
i do because Kimbo has a deal
by The real ZACK on Mar 12, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. No integrity anymore. I agree if Kimbo gets a deal than why shouldn't a HOF'er like Toney?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
"competitve sense" read it
kimbo was bought in for money same as jt!
Good point D but not exactly a feather in Kimbo's cap. And it proves that a boxer will have to dedicate alot of training to MMA otherwise even a Youtube fighter can sub him.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
my point exactly
thinking that you can come in with a single discipline against someone with a real gameplan (Syliva is a great example of not having such a gameplan scott1) and who has the ability to negate your discipline is a recipe for failure.
If a guy infamous for having almost no ground game can push it to the ground and sub a world-class boxer, imagine what could happen when someone with high-end skills tries it.
Albino Mormon 4 Life
Mr. Poopy stopped training in MMA at that point. He was arrogant and got caught.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You NEVER stand up with a pro boxer.^^^
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
*Nodding my head in agreement* ^^^
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
@ JJ
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
No worries.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He still has world class striking
He might not be on top of his game as far as going 12 rounds as a world class boxer I guess but he still has the world class striking ability.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Go Youtube his last few boxing matches. I doubt you’ll return with that same opinion. He has lost his speed and footwork.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
puck u know ur mma shit
but i just think this guys a couple of cans short of a 6 pack!hes fought as a hw lately in boxing when even mma hws probably throw more punches a round(time variables i know) the gloves are smaller,mmartists are used to fighting from a different stance so punches come from different angles etc.i come from a boxing background i wanna see this crossover happen but jt isnt the guy to do it and i keep saying it but i reckon eddie sanchez would beat him.i mean look at raymond daniels
Could be and I'm not going to argue how good Toney is because I have no idea really
When Tyson left boxing I can count on my two hands how many events Ive watched since. But at the same time a man that has spent near his entire life boxing and was the best in the business for a period of time has skills, and more skills boxing wise than any man in MMA. He has yet to be KO!! If someone KO in MMA or TKO’s him I think that would be huge news? Like I said I’m interested on how he does and if he comes in shape focused and trained he might be on top of his game? Big IF and who knows but I’m interested in finding out.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I agree
Roy Nelson would be a top 3 pick for me
I want to fuck.... I want tooo fight, with Chuck...here. FUCK CHUCK! - Wanderlei Silva
good one freedom
But the sumo Nelson would win quite easily.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
only a thong competition between them would be worse...
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
UGH!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
One and Done
Put him in with anyone that has half the wrestling ability and he will get taken down within the first 30 sceonds and G&P’d. I have nothing against boxing , but it’s a well known fact that MMA fighters need to work very hard to be well rounded so they are not out of their element completely and taken advantage of due to their lack of skill in a certain area of MMA. Toney may be the most skilled boxer to ever enter the MMA world, but if he doesn’t have an amazing sprawl he will lose 9 out of 10 against a well rounded opponent. The best BJJ guy will usually lose if not well rounded. Same goes for being the “best” at any one skill involved in MMA. Wrestling, Kickboxing, MuiTai, …
Helgy
I couldnt have said it better myself. In fact i think i said it the exact same way in a previous article :)
+1
I want to fuck.... I want tooo fight, with Chuck...here. FUCK CHUCK! - Wanderlei Silva
Toney vs kongo makes sense.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Toney vs Brock is pure insanity.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
imo toney will be one of the worst strikers in mma...
has he ever used his knees, elbows, high/low kicks, palm heel strickes, etc etc…. whoever he fights it will be a massacre…. even if he fights someone like houston alexander or kimbo, he will be taken down and subbed or g&p’d
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 3:44 PM EST reply actions
The question is (and I still don't know the answer)
Has Toney been practicing MMA for a long time. Is this a project he’s been working on for a long time. Until I find that out, I can’t assume too much about him.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
yan apparently his coach is some old school cage fighter from indonesia?
dont they practice pencak silat over there he could know a bit!
imo toney will be one of the worst strikers in mma…
IMO that is one of the dumbest things you’ve ever posted…
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
why?? he's a very good boxer, but boxing is only one element of mma striking....
so i don’t think its dumb statement..
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
and are you sure??? i've posted some really dumb things..
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
True. It’s up there anyway, freedom.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
i agree his hands will be dynamite.....
and apart from the size of the gloves, his boxing defence, (defence depends alot of the size of the gloves, especially when absorbing head punches on the gloves, and taking punches on the arms, as you well know), it will be up there…100%
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
So you have changed your assessment. Excellent.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
You mean admit that the sky is blue? No offense, freedom but that was a no brainer.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
no, i agree with my initial statement, he will have good hands and boxing defense....
but someone with only 2 weapons in an 8 weaponed striking match, however good he is with those two weapons, can not be classed an elite mma striker when he can only take advantage of 25% of the tools available to him. i may be proved wrong, but at this time when he is 0-0, this conclusion is the only logical conclusion my brain arrives at. so not excellent.
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
By definition, An MMA fighter with “excellent hands” (as you just admitted) can not be “one of the worst strikers in MMA”, since at least half of the guys in MMA can’t strike for shit. Pull your head out, Freedom. You’re better than this.
Sort of.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
again i disagree,
what would happen if he fought a really good m/t striker when they got in the clinch, and he had a pair of hands clasped behind his neck and 25% of the striking attack he doesn’t have,(knees), tenderising his mid section and jaw?
what would happen if fighting a good kickboxer that decided he would utilise 25% of the striking that toney doesn’t have by standing out of range and taking toneys legs out? etc etc
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
what do you mean i'm better than this?
its a good logicall standpoint. i think these are some of my better thoughts………lol….
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I take it back .;-)
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
There is many questions to be answered for sure
But if he has a decent takedown D as half as good as chucks or pages he might be able to beat a good all around MMA fighter. As Chuck and Page have shown little ground game in the UFC and are able to keep it standing to use their boxing as well they keep their distance so they don’t get into a clinch. Now I don’t think his takedown D will be as good as those guys but if it’s half as good he can be a scary MMA fighter for anybody to go against because of his KO power
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
What would happen if an MMA guy reached both hands forward to grab Toney around his giant head?
It would sound like this.
Poof.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think the smartest thing to do is keep
Your guard up and close the gap as quick as possible and get it into a grappling match. Why mess with Fire when you have a huge advantage on the inside. I doubt Toney will be able to stop anybody with decent takedown.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
There you go. Some logic. Standing with Toney is giving him a chance to use the one MMA skill he has that will be superior to his opponents’. Take him down and you’ll win the fight. Stand with him and you might discover that having a more varied striking arsenal won’t save you from getting KO’d.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
jj wake up son
ive sparred boxing,u have.u know if ur skilled u can switch off and actually take the piss and rub ur shoulder on their forehead and control them! its a time when a boxer automatically shuts off because they get some restpite.it doesnt happen in mma because its takedown time!!
the worst striker in mma
Would be Kyle Maynard….
Its true though
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 12, 2010 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That was terrible...so why am I laughing? I am going straight to hell, oh lord baby jesus help me now...
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
i felt bad typing it
It is true though
-This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
by PSYQO78 on Mar 12, 2010 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
toney shouldnt even be a heavyweight
it’s only cause he’s fat and doesnt want to train, when he was a good boxer (which i’m not so sure he is anymore) he fought at middleweight, now he’s just a bloated fatso wtih a big mouth looking for a paycheck
Is he brankrupt or something?
Is he just trying to make a few bucks at all cost?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Many questions will be answered in his first fight.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
thus proving Dana right....I for one can't wait to see it
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Why shouldn't we?
It could be tragic in countless of ways.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
yep...in fact I bet more people tune in than they did when Kimbo first fought
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I give Toney much more respect than I do Kimbo.
A lifetime of training produces remarkable athletes.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
toney certainly has accomplished more in his career
however at this point i’d take kimbo in an mma match
I could easily put five dollars on Toney at this point in time.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
If Kimbo keeps it standing I will put my entire paycheck on Toney. Buenas noches, Kimbo.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
a gov't paycheck???
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Haha...ask me to buy you a beer...ya jerk :)
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lol
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Kimbo’s ground skills aren’t much better than Toney’s starting from scratch. And Toney is a better athlete who will probably learn faster (if he has actual intentions of competing and isn’t just looking for a quick payday). Kimbo would be completely outmatched.
I can’t believe there are actually people in the world who think Kimbo, a street boxer, could beat Toney standing up. It is breathtakingly ignorant, and speaks to the lack of boxing knowledge on this site. It’s like a guy who’s never watched baseball announcing to a baseball forum who would win a home run derby after doing absolutely no research.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Just want to say I agree with pretty much everything you've commented on in this thread
Some of the ignorance above is disturbing.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Thanks. I am receiving very little support this afternoon, while my ususally helpful brethren discuss wrestling each other and accents. I hope they know I will never forget this.
:-)
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody will ever be Jeremyjackson but
Jeremyjackson. How’s that?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
JJ is Mania's designated mongoloid smasher.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
among other functions.
Isn’t he also our moral officer?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
no, thats kevin....(chuckle chuckle, smirk smirk,:p)
by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin would get my vote, but WTF do I know.
The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
And Kimbo is not exactly a ground specialist so...
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
or too rich;)
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
If Tony connects with 4oz gloves
Someone is going to die. That is given the fact that he has perfect technique and doesnt just clip someone on their way in. Boxing for Boxing if he connects, there may be a death in mma
really?
enough about MMA fighters not being able to trade with boxers already. Boxers don’t knock everyone out with one punch, they’re not superhuman. MMA fighters train in boxing as well…..they may not be world class, but it’s no different than a wrestler fighting a kickboxer in that both fighters have trained in each discipline enough to survive in the fight. They may not always be playing to their strengths at any given moment in the fight, but they know what they’re doing to a great extent.
James Toney doesn't even belong in the heavyweight division
He should exercise some discipline and lose the fatbody. When he was truely great as a boxer, he was fighting in the middleweight and super middleweight divisions. He’s gotten lazy and let himself go. I guess fortunately for him, he has a remarkable chin and good power, which has allowed him to achieve some “success” in boxing’s heavyweight division. For fighting mma, at 185 he would would be much quicker and actually have a realistic chance, in my opinion, of not embarassing himself. I thinks it’s an insult to everyone’s intelligence for him to call out Lesnar as if he’s being serious.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
That is all.
what an idiot
he called out 2 light heavyweights and Brock….this guy has no idea what real fighting is and how much of a tiny part of fighting that boxing is. Wrestling alone gets you KO’d or choked out or submitted. Boxing alone gets you taken down and pounded out, choked, submitted ot ko’d by a knee or kick. Jiu-jitsu alone gets you Nate vs Damian. You cannot be one dementional. Please pick someone with some good wrestling or a really good kicker like cro cop to send this boxing fool to retirement with a broken jaw. I hope he gets KO’d on the feet by a kick that would shut boxing fans up. Most boxing fans are over the age of 40 anyway and have no clue about mma
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