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WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FORM OF MARTIAL ARTS USED IN MMA?


First off they are all very important to be an elite mma fighter. Some fighters really only need one way to win, The striker always will have the first advantage as the fight starts standing. A striker is only a striker without takedown defence. if he cant be taken down its a bad night for the other guy. If the striker has fast and powerful strikes they are useless if the grappler can take him down at will and gnp him out for a victory. but if u have a grappler vs. a grappler it usaully seems to cancel out eachother and it becomes a kickboxing match.  Almost All fights end up on the ground at some point. the bjj guy will always have an edge over anyone on the ground, even the wrestlers. bjj  can end a fight as fast as a knockout somtimes faster. However i believe wrestlers have the best base and is the foundation of mma. Wrestlers can dictate the pase of the fight and choose where the fight takes place, if they want it on the ground they do so with a nice takedown, if they want a stand up battle they can use the wrestling in reverse and not get taken down, (chuck). and if your fighting a elite wrestler and he has very good stand up and your getting your ass kicked good luck trying to get that takedown.. and this is why its called MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. if your not well rounded you will get your ass beat.. fast and often. personally ive been focusing on my stand up as i have a good ground game and if i can have a better striking it will make my ground game even better cuz they wont want to stand with me. so i was curious what the maniacs think is the most important to know. and dont answer none cuz u need to know all aspects of the fight game. DUH NO SHIT!  just pick one and say why u feel its more important than the others.

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Poll
What do you think is the most important form of martial arts used in mma??
Bjj
121 votes
Muay Thai
56 votes
wrestling
275 votes
kickboxing
14 votes
judo
8 votes
karate
1 votes
sambo
15 votes
Boxing
29 votes

519 votes | Poll has closed

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I vote wrestling because Bas Rutten told me too

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

I think Karate is next on the rise though

Because the new breed of MMA Athletes are so so complete and dangerous it’s already being shown by guys like Machida and GSP that is also important to NOT get hit.

Maybe the Don Frye fans won’t like that, but it’s seriously the most intelligent way to fight.

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

+9,000,000,000

I hard time with this one in not going with Karate as I do a form of traditional Jui Jitsu rooted in Karate but I have to go with Wrestling. Weather it is used in reverse or to take guys down. Wrestlers seem to always have that great work ethic and if you look at MMA recently good wrestlers that just understand how JuJitsu subs work beat good BJJ guys. I know that is not 100% but I am thinking Lesnar vs Mir and Torres vs Benavidez. Situations like that where a wrestler can HIT hard and survive on the ground. I also think of Hendo in a lot of fights in this regard.

by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 12, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHA

I hard time with this one…
I meant I HAD a hard time with this one.

by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 12, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

MMA

has become its own martial art

I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it

by PHISH NATION on Mar 14, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it has

but still they were there own disciplines first.

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 14, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

 It’s interesting to see how those adapt from their original disciplines. I just feel the more competitive disciplines will bring more fighters than those that have less competition. This is why we see more wrestling and Jj artist because they have been competing at high levels and most that make it into MMA have done well with their base. A north american fighter is more likely to have wrestling or boxing as a base.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 14, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to remember

Martial Arts were originally very “mixed” or comprehensive. What we think of today as Judo, Stand up Karate, submission wrestling (BJJ) etc… all used to be apart of single forms of martial arts. They became exclusive and specializing in areas when martial arts became a business instead of a way of life. It would take way to long and be way to overbearing for someone to come into a dojo and have to learn all those different aspects so Dojos started focusing on 1 or 2 aspects and went with that. Look at many top level Black Belts that have made martial arts their life. They understand and have usually studied more than 1 Martial Art and we are seeing this stuff coming back together now in MMA, IT IS AWESOME TO SEE.

by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 17, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good example

but i don’t 100% agree. I think a strong wrestler who trains BJJ (and is advanced in it) would beat a straigt jits guy 10/10 times.

THe wrestling is the best canvas to build on

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree OJR

If we’re talkin’ about having a single discipline, you have to go with bjj. This was proven in the early days of the UFC. Everyone had a single style and Royce dominated.

Wrestling is a good base, but it will not end a fight, like u said.

Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."

Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"

by Two_Words on Mar 12, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

okay - all things being equal

If I had a straight wrestling guy vs a straight jits guy… than yeah Jits

because as you said…. there is more of an attitude to finish.

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

How about striking? What you pick? Karate, MT, Boxing, etc?

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Karate

but MT is OH so close. I just like the movement options rather than straight forward approach

Machida vs T Silva comes to mind

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take Muay Thai.

Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."

Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"

by Two_Words on Mar 12, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

OJR

Fluid Karate is more along what I think of… i agree with what you said of course.

But your taking these suggestions down to the purest form and Im thinking a little more adapted to MMA.

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Two_words...

The reason was that they didn’t have a clue in the dark ages of MMA what BJJ was…They were like, WTF?

Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub

by The Negation on Mar 13, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

dude i hate your name.. jersey shore lover

just playn i do hate those fuckers tho

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 13, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't watch that shit sickness...

And what’s wrong with my name? You listen to death metal? That’s where I got this from…Just sayin…

Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub

by The Negation on Mar 14, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

thank god

nevermind then my bad dude.. i just always think of that fag on that show when i read the name.. and no i havent hear of that band is that band name??

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 14, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all good sick-o, hehe!

It’s an album from this Polis technical death metal band called Decapitated. Metal isn’t really my cup of tea(I lean more towards rock), but I just love listening to technical music. That’s the reason I guess why I lean naturally towards metal. But believe it or not, I listened(and still listen) to hip-hop(from NWA to LI’l Wayne). Also love jazz and can dig pop. Except for the pop music here in the Philippines, makes the brain dull!

Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub

by The Negation on Mar 16, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

^ Polish

Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub

by The Negation on Mar 16, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Muay Thai works at a distance with punches and kicks, close up with elbows and knees, and in the clinch too. Thats 3 areas of the fight where it works. Theres 1 more, and thats the ground. Although, Good takedown defense is important too.

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by SuperShins on Mar 12, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

surprizing how you went for Muay Thai lol

you’re right though. I agree, everybody in the UFC seems to train Muay Thai and BJJ obv there are exceptions, but they’re the two most prominant. I would say, wrestling is probs 3rd

Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!

by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 12, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I will just add that I think BJJ has gone from being the dominat MMArt to the third most dominant (after wrestling and kickboxing). Guys like Aoki that actually look to tap people from the guard position and are successful at it are very rare now.

Submission defense and positioning knowledge are so widespread that it takes a very high-level guy to rely on subs as their only weapon anymore.

It seems like the winning formula now is elite stand-up combined with great TD defense, OR the ability to flat-out smother a motherfucker.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Only because MMA allows for lay and pray. Eliminate lay and pray and the landscape changes dramatically.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree. Wrestling and striking don’t rely on LnP to be successful. Shitty, one-dimensional fighters do.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think wrestling guys that can control where the fight goes, assume dominant position, and avoid 95% of submission attempts have an advantage.

The BJJ guy is counting on ending the fight by capitalizing on openings that may never come, while the wrestling guy can just pound away. There are Maias and Nogs and Aokis that are the exception, but they are a dying breed. Brock would smother Nog, GSP would maul Maia, and the top UFC LW wrestlers would IMO be too much for Aoki.

And I’m a much bigger fan of BJJ than I am of wrestling. I get your point though, brudda.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

QUICK EDIT:

The wrestling guys also tend to be bigger and stronger, and if they develop good striking then they can use their wrestling pedigree to make themselves almost impossible to take down.

Obviously you want to be good at both, though. BJJ will always have a place at the top of MMA, it just isn’t sitting as high as it used to.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

you nailed my view JJ

What is your thoughts on a Sr. High School wrestler vs the same pedigree from the Jits world…

No additional skills and fairly basic fundementals only.

Raw Wrestling vs Raw Jits?

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not really qualified to answer that, BZ. Like most tough questions, it is relative to many variables and quite complicated. Someone who is a true phenom at either one could beat someone even slightly less gifted at the other.

Interesting query, though.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

JJ, what 2 base disciplines would you want if you were to start an MMA career? Standup/ground.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Aikido and Kung Fu. Or wait, maybe Tae Kwon Do and ninjutsu. Go all Sho Kosugi on motherfuckers until they Pray for Death.

Seriously, though….

MT and wrestling, if I HAD to pick two. Although wrestling has never really interested me, I cannot deny it’s effectiveness. But you would want to know plenty of straight boxing as well, and of course BJJ and some Judo throws.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what?

I’ve never really understood Sambo that well.

I know Fedor, AA and others have it but what makes it special?

Is that like the M16 vs the AK47?
(wrestling vs sambo?)

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sambo is like an Eastern European blend of Judo, BJJ and kickboxing (at least in Combat Sambo). It obviously works, but I don’t think they’re doing much difefrent than other disciplines are doing in a more specific fashion. Besides casting punches, which are great if you like breaking your hand or forearm.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

the M-16 sucks.. replace with M-4 or SCAR-L

just to add some 2 cents in. i’d probably take the AK over the 16 any day, and I’m in the Army…

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by Synyster_08 on Mar 13, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ans sprinle in some Karate for speed and accuracy and countering doen the pipe. Looks like I just have to learn wrestling, the clinch, and BJJ all from scratch and I could be a contender. I have the rest covered. (smile)

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

uh oh

im getting called to the principles office…

have a g’Friday & Happy St Patty’s My Mania Brethren

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheers.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all Karate does Kata

The traditional style of JuJitsu I do with its base in Karate has no Katas required for achieving belts. We can still learn them for tournaments though if we want.

by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 18, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree again with the BJJ would win

Again you are all talking about a degree of skill. Sure Tank new how to wrestle and so did other guys but they was not national champion caliber like Royce was with BJJ. If you look at MMA and look at great wrestlers that understand some BJJ will usually beat the guy who is BJJ and understands some wrestling imo

by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 13, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted for wrestling but

I’m agreeing with OJR and it should be jits.

by D_Smith on Mar 12, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

^^^THIS^^^

Also voted wrestling but am starting to change my thoughts.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Mar 12, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And the irony is that I come from wrestling and I have never taken a jits class!

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted BJJ too

Guys who have no ground but great striking are far more less successful usually than guys who have ground and are learning striking. There’s always that punchers chance, but never really a ‘submitters’ chance. Also, most useful striking tool is kickboxing.

'How's taste my pee pee pee?'

by theCloser on Mar 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

how many times have we seen BJJ guys struggle to get it to the mat?

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.

by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 16, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

matt hughes beat royce gracie

you gotta think bout that too….just sayin

by Diosdado on Mar 19, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great thread. This is heaven for an MMA nerd like myself. You got a rec, sickness.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks ojc

i thought this one would do ok

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

A Muay Thai specialist can destroy all the others styles.

"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"

by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 12, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

I Don't Know Eddie

As close as it was, Shogun didn’t finish Machida this last time… just sayin.

MT is beautiful and a great skill but it isn’t the most important skill to have in your MMA tool kit.
Natually better MT guys make it there own and thus more effective than the norm.

This convo could go crazy with MMA Math nerds (like me….)

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually guys...

this is a hard call because none MMA fighter follows his original martial art only; they’re all mixed up.

"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"

by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 12, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

well of course..

but its kinda like if u had a choice of one martial art to choose from what do u think would work best.

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

MT is the ultimate offense in stand up, no doubt.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

thats good tho

i agree with karate takeing over at some point.. a sic muay thai guy with great takedown d can make many problems for other fighters

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

i like

muay thai/ standing
wrestling/ground

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

me too

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Mar 12, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

With Mac and sickness.

canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania

by jay. on Mar 12, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

MT - standing. Jits - ground.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

The Spider.

But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers

by MMACHAMP on Mar 12, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Karate-standing, sumo-ground...

Machida

Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub

by The Negation on Mar 13, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Anderson uses MT knees and kicks, but his hands are straight North American boxing. Feints, lots of head movement, jabs, straight, short, precise shots… MT is traditionally a more stand in the pocket and throw power punches style. Anderson loves boxing and has tons of respect for the art. The top K-1 guys and guys like Anderson have modified MT to be more elusive and throw fewer looping shots.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Mar 13, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Decent wrestling > Decent striking

Jake O’Brien vs. Heath Herring

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Mar 12, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

If the UFC didn't reward a TD as points then I guarantee that wrestling would not be everyone's first pick.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

there is many tweaks to goon wt the point system

omg!! i hope in the next few years they figure this shit out.. it just aint cool if a wrestler can take u down at will but he cant do any damage or advance position he still gets points!! and wins the fight in a decision… the mma rules are more benificial for wrestlers! just wait till they get rid of stand ups…. but they never will cuz the fans cry.

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Rashad v. T. Silva is a good example. ^^^

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

First off there isn't one greatest style in my opinion

 It’s who is using the style and what other attributes do they have to add to that style. But with saying that I do feel wrestling has a little of advantage for those that do have other attributes to mix well with wrestling. From a early age wrestlers have great quality and quantity of competition over the other styles at least here in North America. I don’t know of many arts that have near the competiton wrestling has in high school, and a sport competed around the world. So those that compete and do well in wrestling have competed at high levels compared to other styles. Now JJ is used in Brazil like wreslting is here so the JJ artist in Brazil will be more likely to do well in MMA because the high competition in JJ that they have been through.

 JJ and wrestling are probally the two biggest bases in MMA because the fighters with those styles have had better competition at a earlier age than the other styles and the quantity of wrestlers and JJ artist also are much greater than any other style.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 12, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Nice post, PH. So, if you had to go with one and begin your MMA career...wrestling or jits?

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrestling here. There is not a high level of competion in jits or any other styule for that matter

 Boxing maybe second for competition level. But if I wanted to get into MMA I would of competeted at wrestling and at least trained at one or two other styles to have a better all around game. You have to use what you can and in North America Wrestling and boxing are the only real competitive sports right now that would help your MMA game. I believe competing at high levels will help your transition into MMA more easily if your proven a good competitor at wrestling. One other thing I think wrestling is great for is cardio, in high school I played football, soccer, lacrosse and hockey and wrestling by far was the most fatigueing.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 12, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrestling is probably the best base

because of the similarities in training intensity and athleticism. Lesnar came from wrestling and became champ ni the blink of an eye. I think it should be pretty obvious that a wrestling base sets the smoothest transition into MMA success

However i think the most important discipline to know is BJJ. As in a fighter with 0 BJJ knowledge can be beaten on the ground by any wrestler or BJJ or Judo OR Sambo guy. See Kimbo and Houston and (sadly) Jens Pulver.

This is why I’ll be interested in Toneys debut. I think hes too confident in his hands and will suffer the consequences.

Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.

AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH

by brendog on Mar 12, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

kind of like being a really strong swimmer, but you cant breath underwater

and your swimming with sharks

Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.

AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH

by brendog on Mar 12, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

plus he should gas in like 90 secs

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

@ Brendog.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

althouhg its not just the poitns and scoring fromat. Its the lifestyle of a wrestler as well, the training, the competition, the grit and grime of putting in hard work everyday. IT develops a better attitude.

BJJ guys seem to be a little more laid back and not in as good a s shape as wrestlers becasue wrestlers realize that hard work and athleticism on top of technique gives them more of an edge whereas BBJ guy or MT guys think that thier technique can conquer all

Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.

AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH

by brendog on Mar 12, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

thats how bjj is

it is totally chill if u go to brazil to train bjj and training time starts at 9 am noone will be there at 9 am.. they will show up at 10 or 9 30.. noone will ever be early or on time. people is brazil will go sufing for awhile then go to jits…and this is a fact ask anyone who has trained bjj in brazil

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus wrestlers have a leg up on weight cutting.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Mar 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

becuase they have been doing it longer, but at the highest level, I think this evens out.

The world is a dangerous place to live - not because of the people who are evil but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Mar 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.

So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.

by McArthur... on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

All i can say to the current scoring system is that...

Wrestling sux!!! LOL

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by The Negation on Mar 13, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

wrestling seems to be the most important...

there are many different aspects that take place as far as the skill set for each fighter down to the different approaches to a fight… i just really believe that a wrestler has the choice of where the fight takes place, on the mat or on the feet.. and with that said how could another martail art be more important when a wrestler has the choice of how it all goes down.???

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by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

BJJ fighters can take it to the ground whenever they want, too. Example : Maia vs. Sonnen.

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by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

But Sonnen was working for the GNP it’s not like he was trying to trade with Maia, which is what he sould have been doing.

He got all grapply and Maia twisted him up. If Maia had to take him down when Chael was trying to stay standing that would have been impressive

but….

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Even Quarry has the right idea!

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice but who won that fight? Answer : Maia.

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-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I know you know - that i was aware of that fact

lol

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

:)

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by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

i like bjj more than wrestling..

bjj can end a fight wt a sub in a blink of an eye.. wrestling doesnt finish a fight!!! but it sure does seem to win almost all fights if the fight goes to the judges.

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

It's a lot to do with the person using it too

 I don’t think BJ would of been as a good fighter if he had wrestling instead of his JJ game and I don’t think Cain would of been as good with Jits instead of his wrestling.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 12, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

NOG vs Couture rings a bell

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 12, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

aaa thank u puck head

i wasnt being cocky i just could not remember when.. of course.. besides that fight it dont happen very often.

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

For sure

 One of the biggest advantages wrestlers have is the ability to control the fight especially on the ground.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 12, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

and that is a HUGE advantage.. maybe the biggest a fighter can have huh?

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Not if the fighter is a good BJJ guy, PH.

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by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot has to do with thte fighter that is using it

 I feel wrestlers in North America will have a better chance because they have been trained and battled through high competition. Were it’s the opposite for Brazil were Jj is it’s wrestling. Now whats better? I think it’s opinion and understanding for every style. I’m a wrestler and can see the advantages and pros better than I can a Jj artist. It would be interesting to see a chart that has Wrestling based fighters win loss agaisnt fighters with a Jj base.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 12, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

concept for a show

are you guys familiar with SpikeTV’s Deadliest Warrior?

Why not do the same for MMA skills.

Someone call Slithering Studios

I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA

by Bigger Zino on Mar 12, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually best "guy conversation" is: ass or tits?

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by MMACHAMP on Mar 12, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Not even a convo IMO. Ass. Next convo...

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by OJR on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Yan117 on Mar 13, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha! Ass-haven OJR!

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- P-Dub

by The Negation on Mar 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

and that is a HUGE advantage, maybe the biggest advantage a fighter can have huh??

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

ha ha i just thought of something

even ufc undisputed was made for the wrestlers being able to win every fight!!! ha id always use muay thai and wrestling for my created fighters.. lol

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 12, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

thesickness

I like your new pic. I’m thinking of changing my name to ManBearPig, half man, half bear……half pig!

But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies. - Kenny Powers

by MMACHAMP on Mar 12, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

no doubt wrestling. bjj is second

from lesnar to gsp to koscheck and velasquez.(wrestlers). penn, silva and mir(bjj).

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 12, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

i have to go with mauy tahhiy,......(*spelling error*)

because it is the ultimate stand up combat sport, the clinch, and an 8 point attack as standard, your not restricted to one technique, but as always i have to bow down to the wrestling guys, because if you can take an opponent down, control someones position, then you control the fight…
even though i don’t like it….

by freedomthrtyfve on Mar 12, 2010 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

The answer is obv Grego Roman Wrestling

If you’ve watch the sport more than a few months this is an easy answer

Hell Couture still gets wins off his wrestling alone

by HighNoon on Mar 14, 2010 5:38 AM EST reply actions  

Good old GREGO Roman Wrestling. It's killer.

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by jay. on Mar 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pacman was awesome.

His body shot combinations are breathtaking. No way Mayweather could keep that relentless pace,no wonder he is making that fight so difficult to happen. War Pac.

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Mar 14, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

wrestling in american mma all the way…..

by sundin4prez on Mar 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Wrestling.

Because it allows u to dictate where the fight takes place. If you want a gound battle u are enabled to do so. If u want to strike u can kep it standing. For example if I am fighting a guy with some good BJJ I will use my wrestling to avoid sweeps, guard pulls and TD’s. If i am fighting a striker I can put him on his back. Its a positional game alot of times in MMA and wrestling enables an upperhand.

by AintNoSunshine on Mar 15, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I can See that

BJJ guys often do have good TD’s. I just think Wrestlings the best Base to start around. MMA in general awards points and decisions to guys in the best position sometimes thats not working from your back.

by AintNoSunshine on Mar 15, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot has to do with the fighter using their base

 But in the end Jj and wrestling fighters for the msot part have done well at their art and have been in high calibure competition and done well. Bj as a wrestler wouldn’t be as good a fighter I believe nor would GSP as a Jj artist and so on it’s the person using it mixed with the art and more fighters come with a back ground of Jj and wrestling because their are more Jj and wrestlers competing against each other than any other art, boxing is a bigger one too.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 15, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

OJR that's rediculous!

How the hell can you say the rules favor wrestlers. The rules favor strikers BIG TIME! Fights start on the feet and are restarted on the feet every 5 min or at any interruption. Wrestlers have to work hard to gain positional advantage, only to have it taken away not by their opponents but by rules that are designed for entertainment value rather than for fairness. The rules are heavily biased AGAINST wrestlers and even more biased against Gracie-style endurance-jits where you lay on your back and make your opponent expend energy till he gasses out and makes an error.

by (shonuff) on Mar 15, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not opinion, it's FACT.

Do fights not start standing. Do they not stop them every 5 min and put them back on their feet regardless of the position they were in? Do they not stand them up any time there’s a lack of excitement or any other interruption in the action? You can argue that the SCORING favors wrestlers, but there’s no denying that the RULES favor stand-up fighters. A striker is NEVER robbed of his positional advantage by an official. Refs don’t make strikers lay down when they run and hide and stall. But if there’s any stall in the action a grappler is robbed of his hard-earned position and put right back into the strikers world. Nearly everytime the refs intervene for any reason it puts the fight back in the strikers advantage without the striker having earned that position by escaping the grappler’s hard earned TD.

by (shonuff) on Mar 17, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The results of this poll indicates that your opinion is in the minority.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 17, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

you too are on a whole different subject..

you both have good points tho. i do disagree with stand ups for those reasons also.

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 17, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

REALITY favors wrestlers, not the rules

If you look at the sport early when there were fewer rules, Grapplers dominated: Royce, Severn, Coleman and then you had some guys who made it because they had good enough grappling to defend so they could use their striking like Shamrock, Frye, and Vitor. But the nature of fighting is such that wrestlers can dictate the field of battle and control the proverbial “high ground” and thereby have a huge tactical advantage. That is what this poll reflects, not the rules of the UFC.

But I don’t think you’re talking about the RULES anyway, OJ. Though you’re using that language, I think what you’re really talking about is the JUDGING. I have clearly demonstrated how the RULES favor strikers, repeatedly giving them unearned positional advantage and a “get out of jail free card”. You have failed to cite a single rule that is advantageous to wrestlers. Apparently you, like most fans, prefer stand-up fights because they are more entertaining, and you resent it when stand-up fighters are taken out of their game by the wrestlers. But that doesn’t reflect a bias in the rules, it reflects the reality of mixed combat. The rules reflect the favoritism of the paying audience and give strikers frequent chances to get back to their feet that they would not have in a real fight.

by (shonuff) on Mar 19, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

but wrestlers have that same advantage when there are NO rules

that’s why I say it’s a simple REALITY of fighting, not biased rules. And you have still failed to address any of my points about how the RULES favor strikers by giving them positional “freebies”.

by (shonuff) on Mar 19, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

off the subject

I really like your signature quote!

by (shonuff) on Mar 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you. And I appreciate and value our debates. Believe it or not, I look forward to them.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Mar 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This poll has nothing to do with the bias of the rules.

the poll is about the effectiveness and importance of the various styles, it has nothing to do with rules or the issue you and I are debating.

by (shonuff) on Mar 17, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i will write up a new fanpost when i have more time just for this topic...

this will be a topic with lots of different opinions so it will be interesting and possibly educational as well. whoop whoop.

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 18, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i will write up a new fanpost when i have more time just for this topic...

this will be a topic with lots of different opinions so it will be interesting and possibly educational as well. whoop whoop.

My Balls Your Chin

by thesickness on Mar 18, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

JUDO

Shit I didnt see SAMBO on the list. Oh well

It all depends if we are talking olympic or world caliber athletes then I say JUDO. If its regional or someone doing it slightly recreationally than I might go with the wrestler, maybe…

I know I am gonna catch some big comments especially since I see that Sambo was there but I mays well try and justify.

With Judo you can…
defend the takedown
do takedowns.
throw from the clinch.
Pin which enables…
submissions

Its got something for all the 3 ranges (not top in any of the 3 but not where you would say its poor.)
standing – Shooting (although now its illegal in JUDO)
Clinch – Throws or footsweeps
Ground – Subs, pins & escapes.

Examples (1 Standing) (2 Clinch) (3 Ground) out of 10
Boxing (1- 7) (2-6) (3 – 0) = 16
BJJ (1 – 3) (2- 4) (3- 10) = 17
Judo (1 – 5) (2- 7) (3 – 7) = 19
Wrestling (1 – 8) ( 2 – 6) (3 – 5) = 19
Karate ( 1 – 9) ( 2 – 3) (1 – 0) = 12
TKD (1 – 7) ( 2 – 0) (1- 0) = 7
MT (1 – 10) (2 – 8) (1- 0 ) = 18
Sambo (1 – 7) (2- 7) (3 – 8) = 22

Stereo typing the physical ability and durability would be for bonus points…

Boxer (PA – 7) (D – 8)
BJJ (PA – 6) (D – 6)
Judo (PA -7) (D – 7)
Wrestler (PA – 10) (D – 9)
MT (PA – 8) (D – 10)
TKD (PA – 6) ( D-6)
Sambo (PA – 7) (D – 8)
Karate (PA – 6) (D – 6)

So totals are…
Boxer= 31pts
Bjj = 29pts
Judo = 33pts
Wrestler = 38pts
Karate =24pts
MT = 36pts
TKD = 19pts
Sambo = 37pts

By my little figurings its wrestlers, Sambo and then MT.
(I stand by JUDO as a good one to have but think I would go with Sambo if I could vote again)

There might be a +/- 5PT margin for error here as 1 pt per catagory to be judged on.

Which puts pretty much every martial art with the capability to be #1 except for Karate and TKD.

by judopei on Mar 15, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I love it when people try to make their opinions look all scientific

Dude, that’s the most ridiculous string of numbers I’ve ever seen on here. You can pull digits out of your ass all day, it doesn’t make your point any stronger.

I think Judo is awesome and beautifully blends many of the best aspects of wrestling and Jitz (the two highest rated skills above. But this “statistical analysis” of yours is just plain goofy.

by (shonuff) on Mar 17, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Lets put it this way…

What is your pick. Now Justify it.

I just took a skim through all the posts and you comment on someone elses comments but I couldnt find where you stated yours…

Feel free to give your feelings number wise on the STEREOTYPICAL athlete in each art. See where it points you.

PLEASE NOTE…
I choose JUDO yet its #4…. (I dare say thats not me fudging the #s to make my choice look good. If anything its the opposite.

Its more like greco roman wrestling now. With all the rules about legs basically eliminating the FREESTYLE FEEL.

by judopei on Mar 18, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post is as interesting as your last..lol

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Mar 19, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

TKKPAL, can you translate them for me?

I’m having trouble making head or tails of this guy

I love Judo and become an instant fan of any fighter who uses it well in MMA, but I can’t follow this guy down whatever rabbit-hole he’s gotten into.

by (shonuff) on Mar 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Mar 19, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

you asking my opinion, judopei?

I think the wording of the poll isn’t specific enough. I think there’s a big difference between offensive and defensive importance. I think one thing the sport has proved conclusively is that if you don’t train BJJ at least for defense, then you won’t last through the first round, PERIOD. When people talk about the sport “evolving” what that really means is that EVERYBODY has to have at least a rudimentary understanding of BJJ defense or Royce Gracie would still be the champion of every weight class. So in that sense, if you’re asking what is the one skill that is most universally necessary to even survive in the sport, I would say basic BJJ defense. However, that doesn’t mean you need to master Jits, just that you have to know how to defend it so you can use whatever you ARE a master of without getting suckered like all of Royce’s early victims when he cleaned out the first few tournaments.

I also think Wrestling is critically important. Most of the strikers who have been most successful where those with good enough grappling to keep the fight standing so they could use their big guns. Liddell, Frye, Rashad, Hendo, Rampage, CroCop, BJ, and early-GSP are good examples of this. They all prefered the standup war, but used some form of wrestling to keep it there, whether it was frestyle sprawl & scramble or greco TDD. Obviously wrestling has it’s offensive advantages as well, though it has no effective “finishing moves” it allows a fighter to control the field of battle and keep his opponent in a disadvantaged position. Once you’re on your back, the only answer to wrestling is wrestling or jits. You can’t box or kickbox your way out.

For striking, clearly Boxing and Muy Thai have proven the superior arts in mixed combat. Obviously Machida has found success with Karate, but he is the exception, not the rule and I think it’s silly to argue the superiority of one art based on the success of a solitary practitioner.

by (shonuff) on Mar 19, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

TKD rocks, your research sucks.

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Mar 19, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think the trianing in sambo, esp. combat sambo with striking to takedowns, and submissions….is like amateur mma from the outset. watch combat sambo tournaments, it’s like fast-paced, mma style amateur fighting with more restarts.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 16, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Sambo is definately the best

Combat Sambo tournements are basically mma. they have good clinch work with throws and takedowns, and good submissions and some striking. Sambo may not make you the best in any single area, but it makes for a great base to have some good knowledge in every aspect of MMA (except maybe fighting from your back)

by MMAhl.wordpress.com on Mar 17, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is still being talked about?

It’s clearly wrestling . The poll has spoken…………….

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Mar 18, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm

My points above or the poll in general.

I guess when I look at the poll its what is more used in MMA. But when I think of which ones are more useful its a different story.

by judopei on Mar 18, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

no judopei

i was talking about the poll results

Open up the Shit Gates and God Bless Marv

by BJPennfan on Mar 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Mar 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol..

kinda silly huh?

YOUR BJJ WILL DO NOTHING FOR YOU WHEN IM FEEDING YOU KNEES AND ELBOWS FOR LUNCH SON!!!

by thesickness on Mar 18, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said it's who's using the art

 The fact is though wrestling and Jj are more likely to be seen because of the great competition and number of competitiors in that style over any other. Boxing and Sambo are a close 3rd.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Mar 19, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think...

Look to the older UFC matches when people were strickly one martial art focused….

All the awesome arts were GRAPPLING ARTS.

Followed by just tough guys.

Real strikers didnt draw any attention.

by judopei on Mar 19, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

My basic idea was...

Judo is somewhere in the middle of BJJ and Wrestling.

Sambo is somewhere in the middle of Kickboxing and Judo.

So I figure Sambo has more tools to use in a fight.

I think its always good to have a strong base in some form of art though rather than being just fair at everything…

by judopei on Mar 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

war rashad war shogun war huerta war GSP

i have to go whit wrestling because a wrestler controls where the fight is i mean you can have world class bjj but if you have seen fights in the past good example gsp and bj penn one and two he took bj penn down at will and bj couldnt pull of any of his bjj and bj penn has amazing bjj world class but gsp wrestling domintated bj penn so good wrestling whit bjj knowledge will win you fights because you control the action

by war suga rashad evans on Mar 20, 2010 4:48 AM EDT reply actions  

shad is a homo

YOUR BJJ WILL DO NOTHING FOR YOU WHEN IM FEEDING YOU KNEES AND ELBOWS FOR LUNCH SON!!!

by thesickness on Mar 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

very likely

He was always suggesting that Rampage perform favors on him and he and Jardine are always fondling their nipples. Whether he’s gay or not, he’s still a pretentious asshole!

by (shonuff) on Mar 21, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

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