Freddie Roach: The UFC is using James Toney to prove MMA fighters are better than boxers
by Press Release on Mar 11, 2010 3:56 PM EST
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Quoteworthy:
"I think they're using James as a way to say MMA fighters are better than boxers. If he fights a quality ground guy, once he goes to the ground he's gonna get killed. But If a guy chooses to stand up with James, James is gonna destroy him. That’s why they call him 'Lights Out.' I really don’t think there’s one fighter in MMA that could stand with James."
Famed boxing trainer Freddie Roach doesn't think the UFC has any intention of using Toney for anything other than a shining example of the difference between boxing and mixed martial arts. Despite the world class hands of the aging pugilist, there isn't much hope for him against a top level wrestler with ground and pound skills. Can "Lights Out" shock the world with a flash KO? Or will the UFC send him packing with his tail between his legs? His first opponent may be the deciding factor...
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we'll see...when he says "stand" he means trade punches
cause any HW with good kicks, knees or MT would KO Toney…
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
ARONA !
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
BZ and McArhtur
what are your opinions on who toney will fight? do you think he will get thrown to the wolves or do you think they are gonna give him a stand up guy to increase ppv buy sfrom toneys name? i know zino wants arona to be his first fight, but who do you think the UFC will give to him?
by Andrew Keller on Mar 11, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
good question
The marketing machine will wnat him around in my opinion. There aren’t too many UFC HW’s that are STRICTLY strikers though…Barry, Hardonk, Kimbo, come to mind but even they have some experience on the ground albeit minimal. If he does fight at HW he’ll get Hardonk or some other kickboxer but I think Dana will make him fight at 205. and 205 is where the wolves live.
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
dana cant make someone diet or train
and will give him someone that will beat him…kinda like brock getting mir first
he can't but he's not forced to sign anyone....the video of their initial talks showed Dana suggesting he fights at 205
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
how do you think his jaw will like the 5 oz gloves?
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was.
If you guys knew a damn thing about James Toney you wouldn’t keep bringing up his jaw. He has as good a chin as anybody in MMA. Maybe better.
Not trying to be a dick, just saying.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
agree jj...Toney has been hit flush by some of best HW boxers
He has a granite jaw and imo dont see anyone in the UFC HW div knocking him out while standing with him
Every night i would pray to God for a new bike, then i realized God does not work that way, so i stole one and asked him to forgive me
and 205 is where the wolves live
True. It’s also where the Houston Alexanders live. I guess it all depends what Dana’s intentions behind signing Toney are.
If he wants to use him to make a statement about boxing being inferior to MMA, he can easily do that by giving him a well-rounded opponent with a submission or wrestling pedigree.
If he wants to build Toney up first, he can feed him a “stand and bang” guy, who even a washed-up Toney will eat for breakfast.
Either way, once Toney takes on a well-rounded guy who utilizes a strategy based on taking Toney down, it will be “Lights Out” on Toney’s MMA career.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I also question Toney's chin...not because I think its bad, but because I haven't seen him hit with 4 oz gloves yet
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
wasn't much on that was there
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Looks like a slip to me. Kind of.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
I know, MMA is such a sacred and virtuous sport by comparison. Thank God shady decisions, questionable fights and all-out freak shows have never occured in our perfectly-governed world of MMA.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
wow
an arm straight jab and hes out
what the fuck
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was.
Yeah, the fight ended right there and paramedics were called in. He was clinically dead for seven minutes.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you should watch the whole fight.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, seriously.
So much ridiculous speculation from 3 seconds of footage.
by MMACrossfire on Mar 11, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
wow...JJ...little defensive aren't we?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Sorry Mac. Guilty as charged.
But it’s like a boxing fan posting a 2-second gif of GSP or Fedor getting hit with a jab as evidence that they aren’t very good. I know you didn’t mean it like that, it was the dumbass comments underneath it from others that annoyed me.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, if there’s one thing about Toney that should not be questioned g at this stage, it’s his chin. The man hasn’t been knocked out in like 80 pro fights. That gif is of him leaning backwards and getting knocked off balance with a jab. He wasn’t hurt.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to say he either tripped or was exhausted
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
just sayin
he’s old, been hit a lot, and never with 4oz gloves….I tend to agree though that his chin won’t be suspect…until he gets kicked in his flabby gut a few times causing his hands to drop leaving his chin open..
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
wow...its tough to find decent boxing gifs
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
he should be way too skilled to even get hit hard by these mma guys.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
Toney/Jardine and you'll have Jardine sent home in a bodybag.
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
No doubt.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
That fight would be hilarious
Toney by counter-right homicide. Jardine would be smashed before we’d even get to hear for the millionth time about his unorthodox striking, brutal leg kicks and underrated ground game.
The pre-fight hype would be funny though, Toney is an awesome trashtalker and it’d be funny listening to the usual comments on how great Jardine is before he gets destroyed yet again.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
How will he react to a leg kick
Will it open his guard for a strike, will he be prepared? It’s hard to say I think the more he trains the better off he is but if he walks in with little MMA training ans expecting his boxing skills to win the fight alone he could be in trouble.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I'm afraid Toney is only gonna be another Kongo.
A dangerous one-dimensional fighter.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
I picked Buentello to beat Kongo...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I don't know about that McArthur
kongo has lost to some great fighters but I think Kongo will KO Paul.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
very possible...I seem to have a problem picking fights anyways...Paul will be desperate and Kongo's intelligence is weak at best
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Buentello sucks. He and Kongo are both one-dimensional, but Kongo is vastly superior to Buentello in that one dimension.
People are reading into the Mir fight a little too much. Kongo was worried about getting taken down and had no respect for Mir’s striking. There is no way in hell the fight ends that way or that early if they fought ten more times. Mir’s horseshow is still half-inserted. Carwin will remove it for good.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon Jj
You need to give Mir some more credit. He is a jackass yes but he has talent and is finally focused and dedicated on MMA. I always thought he was a good fighter but lacked the heart.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I never said I gave him no credit. I just gave my analysis of why the Kongo fight went the way it did.
Mir has very good submission skills and slightly above average striking. He hasn’t had to face top-tier opposition besides Lesnar and a half-dead, half washed-up Nog. The fact that he is a top ten HW speaks to the lack of depth in that division. Velasquez and JDS would murder him, and Carwin probably can too.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
you are right on point my friend. no bs here
there's still something so unifying about sport in it's purest form, when athletes rise above themselves and touch greatness and in doing so remind us all that we also have greatness inside of us.
He's actually top five
I think it is going to be a great fight against Carwin, and I think he would have a great fight against JDS and Cain. As for depth the HW division is deeper than ever. Brock, Cain, JDS, NOG, Mir, Yvel, Kongo, GG, Carwin, Struve could all beat or at least compete against former champs Tim or AA.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yvel sucks now and Struve is shit. AA is so underrated because his defense is weak. The guy can out kick-box anybody on that list except maybe JDS.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
AA's offence is awsome I agree
I think Struve has potential and is getting better and better. Yvel I think is a step above Kongo and Paul but time will tell.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of his GnP.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
Toney like Mercer back in the day
has one one of the best chins in boxing….Dana never claimed MMA fighters were better…. were better what? Boxers are better boxers in standup but nobody is questioning that…..dont know what roach is talking about?
A "pawing" jab can knock you down if you are off balance, Mac. No different from a shove.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Don’t interfere with all these experts and their revisionist history, OJ. Someone better go back and add a KO loss to Toney’s record, because somehow all the analysts, referees and judges missed it.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I got your back, JJ.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Nice but I was there 5 yrs ago. Ask PDub. He is from there.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Damn, everybody’s coming here, and I’m going to be gone. If you’re downtown, West End and the area around the AAC are nice. Lower Greenville is cool too, lots of bars and a few clubs. Deep Ellum is on a down cycle right now but there are still some good joints. If you actually stay in Arlington for the fight, Arlington Highlands has a bunch of good bars, or there is Lincoln Square up near Collins and I-30. Restaurants, bars and a club or two. I would always recommend Fort Worth over Dallas, but that’s just my taste. Sundance Square is really nice, plenty to do in about a 5-square block area.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
I thought they already gave Hardonk the pink slip too?
Oh well, when it comes to MMA updates, I’m always last, hehe!
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Mar 12, 2010 6:52 AM EST up reply actions
Alert to Mania!
from now on I will be sure to Hijack every single focking thread you ever make!
“Now, You are my Enemy”
But he looks like the hamburglar, what's up with that? Is he getting the same dose as Barnett?
I think these guys are getting ripped off.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
speaking of steroid users...***FIGHT ANNOUNCEMENT***
Dream 13th Probable: Barnett vs. Mighty Mo
I hope Barnett fails again...Oh wait this is in Japan isn't it?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
What are you talking about?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Yeah, what are you talking about, you are going to highjack all mania threads? What has you so pissed off?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Yeah, what's up with that John?
Oh well, we’re used to that. You used to hijack mania threads back in the day anyway, hehehe!
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Mar 12, 2010 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
John says he posted this before Mania but didn't get props...he did post it in the FanPosts but its not there now
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Yeah
all the Toney lovers seem to forget this is MMA. not boxing. I bet the Stay Puft Marshmellow man has better kicks than Toney.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
Pat Barry would kick the shit outta him
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
def
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
A young James Toney wearing five ounce gloves would smash Pat Barry in the first round. Kicks or no kicks. And I’m a big Barry fan. This fat, old, slow version of Toney would get beat up though. Not KO’d, most likely. But beat up.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
amen brother
i said that yesterday not take credit but hell yeah….i think bj would take the fight though if it was offered lol
by AMERICAN_SON on Mar 11, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha! How'd you know he was comin'?
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Mar 12, 2010 6:58 AM EST up reply actions
He's used for ratings, remember he was the one running his mouth to join the UFC
Now I don’t think anyone will box with Toney but there might be a few that stand with him by adding leg kicks will really cause problems as will standing and grappling with Toney(Dirty boxing if you will, with knees and elbows).
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
thanks captain obvious
do you think thats why the rumor has captain paycheck as his first opponent? I’d love to see (and bet it) Toney catch Couture on the way in. I’ve always thought Randy was over rated and for one am sick of his constant high profile match ups when he loses so often!
I don't know Kevin
Randy lacks the KO power to finish fights but he is one of the smartest fighters in MMA. If he gets Toney against the cage or on the ground Toney’s power will be drained and I can’t see him with the experience of maybe 4 months of ground training being able to survive against Randy. Yes one punch can end anyones night but Randy won’t stand and trade we all know this. Yeah Toney has a chance against anyone if he connects but doesn’t have much of a chance if he doesn’t.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
No i agree
he is much better then the other 2 guys. But you can see the line of thinking on the UFC’s part by considering a fight against Franklin for Randy. He is a guy Randy would probably be able to beat and not be overly worried about being knocked out by. They want Randy to fight guys with a name who at the same time he can beat.
I concur.
Randy is a proven draw but the fact is any of the top guys at HW or LHW would end a fight with Randy with 1 punch. Randy will be spoon feed guys like Mark Coleman, Rich Franklin, Jame Toney.
19 out of 20 times i say Randy scores the take down against Toney and finishes the fight quickly on the ground. But if Toney connects it’s bedtime for Randy. Randy shouldn’t even throw a punch if they fight. Hands high. Chin tucked. And just time his takedown.
Why the fuck do you think fighting Rich Franklin is being spoon fed? He’s a champ who’s never lost to anyone except other champions, and beaten a few as well.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
OJR is gone, so….
Truth.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Rich Franklin: 25-5
Defeated by – Silva (twice), Machida, Belfort, and Hendo.
Agree with P-Dub, fight against Franklin is HARDLY being spoon fed.
And the Hendo loss is debatable.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 12, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
And wait...
where’s OJR?
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Mar 12, 2010 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
"I think they're using James as a way to say MMA fighters are better than boxers"
That’s the first thing that I thought of when I heard the news.
he wouldn't leave Dana alone...he was practically harrassing him...he should be careful what he wishes for
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Could be
But then again the UFC tried and tried to tell Toney that he would need to work on his ground game and at least takedown D. toney says he has and has been barking at the UFC over and over, maybe the UFC just said F it sign him we are tired of all these boxers talking sh^t about MMA.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
how about Anthony Hardonk or Cro Cop (he could do with a few wins). not saying they are the same level of fighters or anthing but kimbo wasnt used to checking leg kicks and could barely stand at certain points. (not saying kimbo is a great talent)
neither?
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Mar 12, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Dana
said he want him at LHW? All the guys mentioned would be cool matchups for their Muay Thai though.
Hadoken!!
Heard Roach talking about this on Jim Rome
and any smart fighter wouldnt try and trade punches with him anyway. Though i think it would be interesting to see him get out boxed with someone cocky enough to throw hands just to prove a point. who though?
"6'1' 240lbs of solid steel and sex appeal...Garyyyy Goodridge!"
favorite ring intro ever!
hmmm...whose stupid enough to trade punches with a pro boxer....let me think...haha
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Haaaahaaa !=D
That video makes me laugh everytime I see it!
by d*locc on Mar 11, 2010 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
a 6'8" big huge piece of crap = easy target
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was.
Timmy decides to throw a leg kick, Mercer gets pissed...
… and the rest is history. The funny part is that just a few days before it was supposed to be a boxing match, not an MMA match. At the last minute, they had to switch it to MMA. So, Timmy comes into the fight, knowing they’d essentially had a gentleman’s (though probably unspoken) agreement to “box” in the MMA ring. Timmy throws a kick. Mercer does a “Oh, so it’s gonna be like that?!” kind of look, then Crack! Down goes Timmy. “Kick that!”
by MMACrossfire on Mar 11, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
The title of this thread isn't wut Freddie roach said!
He says is that they R using James Toney so they can SAY mma fighters R better then boxers. But it duznt really prove shit cuz Toney is old as hell & way past his prime. He will still ko any1 that trys 2 stand with him. Maybe if they said a boxer like PAC man that’s a different story.
by d*locc on Mar 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mr. Roach is absolutely korrect...
A fighter with a extensive grappling back ground would take his arm off with in the first round, but something is telling me Dana isn’t going to feed Toney to the wolves right away… I do think the athletic kommission would keep Toney safe by approving a fair/kompetitive fight… The sport would get a black eye if something horrific happen to one of Toney’s limbs… But I kan only see It being a guaranteed money maker and a win win for the UFC…
by DADEAL1 on Mar 11, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
disagree on both
As a pro boxer, the commission cant save him, and I think the whole point of Dana signing him is to get him beat!
so why a multi fight deal?
i think he gets a beatable opponent first and maybe even 2nd, after dana makes his money he will put him against a wrestler and humiliate him…
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 11, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Toney is a pure boxer/brawler...
Its like saying he has a black belt or is a master in the sweet science… The first MMA fighter who decides to stand and trade(no kicks) with Toney will be the first on his (Toney’s) MMA highlight reel…
by DADEAL1 on Mar 11, 2010 4:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Fighters ego...
Someone is thinking they have a khance to knock Toney out with four(4) ounce gloves on… Advantage Toney & a point scored for the dying sport we know as boxing…
by DADEAL1 on Mar 11, 2010 4:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well again you never know how Toney will react from a Leg kick
followed by a right hook with much smaller gloves as well.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Freddie Roach
he says that no one in MMA can stand and bang with a guy like Toney. While for the most part I agree with him, I mean come on, he’s Freddie Roach. But lets look at this, Toney is an aging boxer on the decline of his career. At 41, the deterioration of an athlete starts to take a serious toll. Not to mention that as a boxer, he’s been hit in the head repeatedly his fair share of times. Freddie Roach says NOBODY in MMA can stand with him, I disagree. While couture is calling for his shot at Toney, and it will garner quite a bit of attention due to the inherent story lines behind the proposed match-up, I believe that not only could Anderson Silva stand and bang with him at 205, even a catch-weight fight up into Heavyweight, I don’t see Toney being able to trade effectively with a fighter of that caliber in his prime. I wish him the best, but I seriously doubt that he is taking his training seriously as far as a well-rounded approach to MMA is concerned.
Age is a hard thing to judge
Look at gearge Foreman, Hendo and Couture. If Toney’s heart isn’t in it you could very well be right.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Agreed... Puck Head right...
As a fighter, MMA or Boxing, etc, you have to have respect for an opposing fighter… His ability to beat you should not be over looked.. Toney will be wearing four (4) ounces of leather on his highly skilled fists… If someone loses or lacks respect for Toney’s abilities to beat them will get KTFO… Its just that simple fellas…
by DADEAL1 on Mar 11, 2010 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Toney over Randy via 1st round knockout...
I even think Randy, who by MMA standards or IQ is a genius, would stand and trade with Toney for 1 maybe 2 exchanges before he shoots in for the takedown… Thats all the time/opportunity Toney needs to knock Kaptain America out…
by DADEAL1 on Mar 11, 2010 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roach and boxing fans arere going to eat them words
I can’t wait. I say there is a list of mma fighters who could stand and ko him. Shogun please
I was a fool to think Bisping had any chance against the Axe Murderer, and even more foolish to bet agaisnt the great Puck Head.
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lol
thanks for coming out newf!
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
Freddy Roach is out of his element....
Freddy Roach is an excellent trainer, however, he made a outlandish comment. From my observation most people in MMA have respect for boxing and most people in boxing do not have any respect for MMA. Furthermore it is flattering yourselves to think that it is a battle of boxing versus MMA. MMA is the crossroads of all martial arts in which boxing is just one of them. MMA is just a term coined to quickly say, “the crossroads of martial arts.” To say the battle is boxing versus MMA is disrespecting wrestling, Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu, Sambo, Judo, etc… It is disrespectful because this comparison gives the impression that boxing is so much more important than all of the other martial arts, that it is competing against every other martial art combined.
Boxing is a vital part of Mixed Martial Arts, but it is just a part of mixed martial arts. Yes, in my opinion it is underdeveloped in its incorporation in MMA in comparison to grappling martial arts. However, this is a sport which was introduced in its current form by the grappling community. It is a young sport. Give it some time to evolve.
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Good post.
This I disagree with:
From my observation most people in MMA have respect for boxing and most people in boxing do not have any respect for MMA
Stick around. The disrespect flows both ways.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
Of all tha UFC heavyweights I think Dos Santos and Carwin could beat Toney if they just stood and banged with hands only. Dos Santos has tha power, chin and pretty good boxing to put him away, Carwin doesn’t have good boxing but he also has a great chin and definitely has tha power to shut Toney’s “lights out.”
Yea, anything kan happen in a fight, buuut...
A boxers strength/punching power should not be under estimated… I would give Dos Santos a better khance than Karwin, just because he’s more athletic… Both of them have way to big of ego’s & would be dumb enough to trade with Toney…
by DADEAL1 on Mar 11, 2010 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This guy
pretty much sums it up perfectly
I disagree with Freddie heavily!!!
Toney is an out of shape washed up boxer, I would bet he couldnt beat 2% of the guys in the UFC.
well he can't make real money in boxing anymore so he he is hardly a competitive boxer
this is overhyped bullshit. he is a fat old retired boxer. it has been a long time since “lights out” toney actually put someone’s lights out. he is a can. my guess is that toney and kimbo are gonna start talking shit to each other after mitrione ko’s kimbo.
it will go something like this:
kimbo: i beat ray mercer, he is a boxer, boxers suck.
toney: (munch,crunch, gulp) let me finish my sandwich and i’m gonna kick your ass.
by Conan the Barbarian on Mar 11, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
steve jennum would work toney over..
ninja vs boxer…come on
my dream fight would have to be Brock Lesnar vs Jake Shields...and before the fight theres a video of jake slapping brock's wife...then id like to see shields try to gay porn a win over brock using his butt sex merry-go-round tactics...the massacre that would take place would be the greatest thing ever televised...every limb jake has would look like corey hill's leg...god i hate jake shields
You know..
Takedown defense, takedown defense, take down defense…He’d better learn that ASAP. If he does he could be better than average with his punchers chance. Just ask Chuck Liddell.
Greasy St.Pierre, the last Outsider.
Anderson Silva reign= reaping the benefits of a very weak UFC MW division for the past 3 years.
Penn, Ortiz, Big Nog, Mir, Belfort, Barnett, and Nick Diaz.
Chuckles had years of wrestling under his belt (along with a few six packs). You’re not going to learn high-level TD defense when you’re a fat 41 year-old with absolutely zero grappling experience.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Mar 11, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
First off...
Chris Lytle is the only “Lights Out” allowed in the UFC. Second, you know Toney will have a bullseye on his chest labeled “Take Down.” Better shore up that sprawl or it will be a quick night.
I think Anderson Silva would beat him in a stand up fight
just because he can kick & fighting with boxing gloves is a lot different to fighting with mma gloves, boxing gloves are easier to block plus punch are more heavy with boxing gloves cause of the weight of them i hope Tooney gets KO’d by a punch i would lmao
Are you people fucking retarded?
There is almost no difference between getting hit with an 8oz. glove or a 4oz. glove. A punch that would knock you out with 4oz. would still knock you out with 8oz. If you’ve ever put on a boxing glove you would know that shit, boxing gloves aren’t fucking pads they are full gloves, that’s where the extra weight comes from, you still get hit with all the same force. And if you don’t believe me, watch an episode of fight science. Or, get someone to punch you as hard as they can with a 4oz. glove followed by an 8oz. glove, see if your chin can feel the difference.
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