James Toney is a 'lose-lose' fight for Randy Couture
by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 10, 2010 8:06 AM EST
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"Randy Couture, he respects my game like I respect his game. He's the best at what he do in his sport; I'm the best at what I do in my sport. We gonna see who has the better style and everybody know it's James Toney. If he tries to throw blow for blow with me, he definitely gonna get knocked out. That's a given, you know what I'm saying? If he tries to take me to the ground, it ain't going to be easy… He's still gonna get knocked out. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation for him".
Randy Couture recently stated he would like to be the first match for UFC newcomer James Toney. And the boxing star seems to indicate that he intends to tangle with “The Natural,” saying he would knockout the former champion. Is Couture's Octagon experience and "dirty boxing" sufficient to handle Toney if and when the pair collide or will it be “Lights Out” for the 40-something mixed martial arts legend?
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Hey Randy, if you get Toney next, don’t box with him, man. Take him down anytime possible.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
Thanks coach.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
You're welcome.
I’d love to see Couture knocked out I confess.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 10, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
god
me too.
get that old cage n prey bastard out of there.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
by At Least On Paper on Mar 10, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I actually like Toney! InsteaD OF GETTING a quick paycheck and dismantling Kimbo....he is looking to get in there and test himself against an mma Legend.
Dont tell me that Toney doesnt have a chance in Ko’ing Randy glass j aw Couture
Don't get thrilled. UFC matchmakers set the fights, not Toney.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 10, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
whats so great abut his attitude
he seems ignorant and disrespectful towards mma, dosnt know what a leg kick is and has respectable quotes floating around like :
“I ain’t gonna to allow any of them boys to lay on me like a lil’ fag, you know what I’m saying?”
They say money can't buy happiness? Look at the fucking smile on my face. Ear to ear, baby. -- Boiler room
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 10, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm getting more excited about Toney in the UFC all the time
The guy is hilarious and is easily the best boxer to go into MMA. I’d much rather see Toney take on Randy than Simba Slice at least that would be a challenge. A win over Randy would be huge for Toney and prove that he’s taking the sport seriously. As for Randy he’s not going to beat any top contenders so he might as well take on this fight, Toney’s a big name and had a successful boxing career so it’d be a challenge for Randy and a marketable one at that. I bet Toney would put up more of a fight than Coleman.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
HERE IT COMES LOOK OUT!!!!!!!!!
Let the hype train begin!!!!
by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 10, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
LEVEL D
FUCK'IM UP RANDY!!!!
mmmmmm boobs
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 10, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
yes Side Boob!
Now the fight is actually interesting. Vs kimbo was silly, Toney would’ve ended Slices life. Now I’m very undecided on the outcome.
Randy’s experience and ability to control the octogon should allow him to take the unanimous decision, but on the other hand if Toney learns any type of decent sprawl and can land a couple big ones early he may be able to score a ref stoppage.
Still think Randy by UD or even a submission against a rookie of Mma.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know why you posted that picture..
but DAMN! Randy 1st round by underboob.
by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 10, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
ooooo those are fake
Now i’d NEVER fuck her!…….
Was that enough periods to show sarcasm?
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 9:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that one is too close to call
GSP is the man!
by Pour out a lil liquor on Mar 10, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not even close!!!
Under Boob KO first 12 seconds!!!!
by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 10, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
It ain't gonna happen!
The fans wanna see a fight and Couture vs Toney wouldn’t even be one. It would be pathetic to see them throw him in vs a wrestler who would be scared for his life and run in for a takedown right away.
forza giallorosso !!
Exactly
Wrestlers aren’t going to stand and bang with him and it’ll be a boring fight. If they want to make it exciting to the fans then just put him in there with a solid kickboxer or muay thai guy so that they can throw some kicks his way which will throw him off but keep the fight standing to appease the fans and actually give Toney a small chance. Whoever fights him should throw lots of leg kicks and just chop Toney down ala Jardine to Kerry Schall.
"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."
by Buster Bluth on Mar 10, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
he would take him down, but I think he'd finish him
Which I have no problem with, this is afterall MMA, and if Toney wants to fight MMA he best be ready to grapple.
Randy would hold him down and blast on him, Toney would be like a turtle on it’s back. Randy would maul him.
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I usually agree with you about the wrestling thing RoB
but I think you’re wrong on this one. Toney wants to fight MMA, you can’t then say, yeah but he shouldn’t have to fight people that are good grapplers because that’s unfair… that’s bullshit. He knows the rules, I say throw him to the lions and see if he crawls back out again.
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 10, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Am i ?
This is also a business and alot of fighters make their way through just thanks to the stylistic matchups they’re being given. Give him some time to work on things and have him fight a standup guy in his first fight.
You’re not wrong and neither am i.
forza giallorosso !!
Toney was brought in because people want to see an elite sriker as much as they want to see an elite BJJ guy. I don’t think Dana is going to bring him in because of one skill set, then put him up against a guy who will completely nullify that skill. They might feed Brian Stann or someone like that to him.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
I agree, he'll get pampered to start with.
Just like Kimbo. Dana wants to make some money off this guy. Having him obliterated by a world-class veteran grappler like Randy would be a one-bite meal for the UFC sales team. Besides, Dana won’t want to risk giving boxing fans any ammo and risk MMA losing face and credibility on the chance that Toney might KO MMA’s most decorated champ in the first minute of his first fight in MMA. We’d never live that down with the MMA-hating boxing-lovers.
Exactly
So give him to Anderson Silva and kill two birds with one stone. Anderson wants to box, and ultimately would pick Toney apart in a mere 3 minutes. Good luck to Toney in trying to lay a haymaker on Silva.
When Anderson’s done toying with him on the feet, he can take him down and submit him with something ridiculous like the Boston Crab or the Camel Clutch. LOL
If AS chose to stand with Toney in a Boxing match type fight, he would be the one be KO'd i'd say.
He would definitely use his kicks and BJJ against Toney.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
I'd love to see that
Then we’d know for sure how good the quality of Boxing is in MMA. Andy is probably the best boxer in MMA history and it would be interesting to see how he fares against an elite boxer, even one that’s over the hill. I think Toney’s age and Andy’s speed would make it competative. If Silva walks through him, then he’s ready to take on some younger boxing pros. If not, then we know the average “great” strikers in MMA would be totally outclassed by elite boxers. I wouldn’t put money on it either way, since we’ve never really seen what an elite boxer can give/take with 4 oz gloves or how much better their speed and timing is/isn’t vs the guys we think are great with their hands in MMA.
My only problem with that scenario is Toney's attitude
“I’m not doing this as a career” plus he is still boxing throughout his contract, he is doing this thing with the aim of proving that as a boxer he is good enough to beat the best MMAists. plus milk our sport for whatever money he can get. I say humiliate him and the rest of the boxing lot.
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 10, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Boxers
seem to be sort of arrogant. Most MMA fighters respect boxing. They train in it as part of MMA. Boxers all just complain about ground game and submissions.
Yeah, to the untrained eye watching it can be tedious. But lets not forget UFC 1…Royce gracie vs Art Jimmerson the boxer. Gracie wins by submission via mount at 2:18…oh dear.
Yeah boxing fans, the ground is a scary place if you don’t know what your doing…
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
If Toney wasn't such a dick
then I wouldn’t feel this way
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 10, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I know bro....there there...
James Toney by upkick! There I said it!
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
To be fair Royce was a world class BJJ black belt and Art was some no name muppet who came out with one boxing glove
That whole tournament was designed to make Gracie JJ look superior to all other marital arts by having the puniest looking guy from the family submit journeymen from other disciplines and present it as a skinny guy being better than boxers, wrestlers, sumos etc because he beat losers from those sports. The whole thing was a fix from the start and was an embarrassing start to a great promotion.
Besides not all boxers bash MMA, David Haye for one gives the sport a lot of respect and Hatton has been to events before as well. De La Hoya even helped to co-promote an Affliction card and RJJ was at 101 to see Andy clown Forrest. Toney’s not been that bad either, at least he’s prepared to fight under MMA rules and test his skills, I give him a lot of respect for taking on the challenge and I want to see what he can do.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
if they want to humiliate him,
Cain or Brock is the way to go. Can’t risk the UFC HW champ getting KOd with 1 punch, so give him Cain. Cain proved last week that he has good boxing technique. I’m sure it’s nowhere near Toney’s level, but it should be enough to keep his head safe till he gets the Takedown…then it’s all over. Six-time boxing champ gets TKOd by a guy with only 8 pro MMA fights. That would be the way to shut Toney up. . It may be a slight interruption to Cain’s title run, but given that Mir/Carwin/Brock/JDS are all booked up for a while…why not!
they would never be able to make a fight like that happen.
They’d be classed as idiots and trashed by the media.
forza giallorosso !!
The UFC has a few different options on how to handle Toney
Do they:
a) try and build him up as a legit MMA fighter but fighting tailor made cans
b) try and prove MMA is better than boxing with an all around solid MMA fighter that will take him down
c) try and test Toney against the best strikers in the UFC
"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."
by Buster Bluth on Mar 10, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Despite his name and boxing credentials, he is still a 41-year-old MMA noob. He is not even in the top 20 UFC LHWs. And if he is a top-20 HW it is only by default. He should fight someone on that level first, then the UFC can proceed accordingly.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
please see my sig
to answer the above question
I want Ricardo Arona to sign with the UFC and his first fight should be James Toney. This is a win win scenario for MMA
I like the idea of having him fight Perosh first.
The guy seems like he can take a good shot, and he would be a good test to see how well Toney can avoid the ground.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
He'd murder Perosh
Perosh has no takedowns and lost to lousy fighters in the UFC years ago like Christian Wellisch in one of the worst fights that I’ve ever seen, if Cro Cop had any confidence left then he wouldn’t have lasted 2 rounds. Toney would KO him in the first round no problem.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Put it this way...
James Toney: “If he tries to take me to the ground, it ain’t going to be easy… He’s still gonna get knocked out.”
This statement shows to me whats gonna happen before it even starts. Toney quite clearly doesnt understand the first thing about MMA.
YOU CAN’T KNOCK A MAN OUT OFF YOUR BACK WITH A PUNCH.
Maybe an upkick…think Toney will try an upkick?
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
I think he was talking about if they shoot for the takedown.
And your sig is too long! Two of your posts take up the whole screen.
It gives me a certain omnipresence which i like MBOW!
Want to borrow a sig? I have plenty!
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Toney is right about one thing
It’s a lose-lose for Randy. If he beats Toney then everyone will just say that he was supposed to win against any noob to the sport. If he loses…it’ll be somewhat embarassing to lose to a purely one dimensional fighter. It’ll be a high profile fight but at the end of the day it doesn’t get Couture any further up the ladder but it could drop him if he were to get dropped.
"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."
like Randy cares
You think he cares if anyone believes his win over Toney was legit? Nope. Does it matter to Joe Silva? Nope. It definitely moves him up according to the UFC brass.
And of course there is people complaining about the potential of this match up; too many brawler fans, not enough MMA fans. He wants to compete in MMA? Then a great all around fighter is what he can face. Not a top 5er, but not a joke to MMA like Kimbo.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yep but no one would say a word if JDS ko'd toney
It would be praise. Now let’s see who you guys are okay with Randy fighting? Doesn’t matter who he fights, almost everyone will complain. If he fights lower comp then Vera and Coleman its an uproar, if he fought Rampage or Shogun, you’d all complain too, that its undeserved and that he’d get killed right? He’s trying to be in fights that are fair and not so easy to pick the outcome.
Who should he fight guys? Most of you seem to have this perfect list of Randy’s next 4 opponents that I haven’t seen yet. I wanted to see Franklin/Randy, but that’s as far as I got to hear or think of.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It all depends on what Randy's goals are
If he wants to get a title shot then he should fight someone like Franklin…if he just wants interesting matchups and to make money…then Toney makes sense.
"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."
by Buster Bluth on Mar 10, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
ya but i really and truly...
…don’t think Randy is concerned about a title shot at 205. Just fights that are unpredictable. Don’t get me wrong, Randy has never ever backed down, and if he is presented with a title shot he will gladly take it (can’t blame him), but who wouldn’t?.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good call if Tito does beat Chuck
Might as well give Randy the winner of that fight if they’re going to put on rematches involving past it UFC legends.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Tito is gonna take somebody out?
When is the last time that happened?
My first pick for Randy is Rashad
Also wouldn’t mind seeing him face Thiago, Forrest, Franklin, Lil Nog, and Anderson Silva.
shonuff
Those are picks that are fine by me. But do you see them being met with enthusiasm, other than the Franklin match up? I think Spider and Lil Nog would start a riot on here, of people saying that its totally a “stupid idea”, cause “Andy would kill him”, and “Big Nog already destroyed him, what do you think Lil Nog would do?”.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 10:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
..and with Forrest
…they’d mostly be saying “Oh great give Randy another guy that poses no threat striking wise, so Randy can control him against the cage for 15 mins.”
Its rally hard to find anything that people will accept as a fight for this guy. He’s right up there near the top 5 hated (if not in it) in the UFC IMO. He is constantly bashed on Mania.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, people on here have no respect for their elders
but regardless of what these hosers say, Randy is still a tough match for ANYONE. He might lose every one of the fights I named (I doubt it), but there’s not a name on that list that would take him lightly. Machida and Andy would be the most dangerous for him, but frankly, he’s the most dangerous opponent out there for them too. Neither of them is likely to lose to a striker and Randy is still the most dangerous wrestler in the LHW division.
agree on all counts shonuff
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 10:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
His wrestling isn't that good anymore, he couldn't takedown Vera
Randy would get KO’d by Lyoto and Andy before he even got close enough to clinch with them, his defence and chin are no longer good enough to deal with strikers as good as those 2, plus Andy and Lyoto are excellent grapplers themselves. Randy could still be a threat to some good fighters, but he’d get slaughtered by the world class strikers at LHW.
Besides he needs to earn his way back to the top, I’d much rather see him fight Franklin, they’re on the same level ranking wise, both are good fighters who can no longer beat the best in their division and they both dislike each other. That would be a great fight.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
"earn his way back" from what???
Randy has only lost one non-title fight in his 13 year UFC career and that was a FOTY war with legendary champ Nog. He lost the belt to Brock, who would easily destroy any of the LHWs ranked above Randy. Fact is, in the last 7 years, Randy’s only losses were to Brock, Nog, and Chuck (in his prime) the longest running LHW champ of all time. So how does losing to three GOATs in seven years put him at the bottom of the pecking order when he has more wins in world title fights than most of those guys have against cans?
Oh, and none of those world class strikers have Vera's wrestling skills
everybody but Randy was sleeping on Vera’s greco background, but Randy said before the fight that Vera had great wrestling skills and would be a big challenge. Vera prefers to strike so people forget about his greco. None of the top LHWs has that level of grappling skill and Randy will take any of them down easily if he gets past their reach. Forrest’s long legs might save him and Silva/Shoguns knees might save them in the clinch. But Shogun is the only top guy that could give Randy any trouble on the ground.
Randy's awesome but he's been handed big fights throughout his career
Everyone should earn their way to the top, especially in a stacked division like LHW. At that division since the Chuck defeats Randy has only beaten a washed up Coleman and got a suspect decision win over Vera. To hand Randy an easy road to a title fight does a disservice to guys like Bones Jones and Lil Nog who are better fighters but are having to slowly move up to the top. Past success alone should not be enough to fastrack a guy to a title fight, guys like Randy and Hughes should beat top contenders and earn the right to face a champion like everyone else not just get a shot because they used to be the best and they have a household name, that sort of BS just leads to mismatches for belts and makes the sport look crooked.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
or any great legends
Would still love to see Randy vs CroCop or Wanderlei. And I for one wouldn’t object to seeing Randy vs Macheeda, though I think Machida’s evasiveness would make it really hard for Randy to tie him up and he’s likely get picked apart piece by piece like Tito did.
Randy and CC would be good,
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
though i agree with you shonuff we are definitely in the minority.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe, Daniel
but like you said earlier, who could he fight that these haters wouldn’t complain about…nobody. So we might as well let the old man go out in style fighting other former champs like Rashad, Forrest, Rich, Silva. So what if he loses! He’s earned the right not to have to fight mid-level guys who’ve never been to the top. I feel the same way about Chuck. (Though I hate him.) He’ll never be No 1 again, but let him go out with dignity against big names like Tito and Wandy. Don’t make the guy fight Luis Canes and Kristof Sozynskis in his final matches.
Good post shonuff!
I agree that the legends earned the right to fight top guys with names! Also hate Chuck! lol
Depends
If Chuck and Randy want to win a title, then they have to beat the likes of Cane and Kryzstzof to make their way further up the ladder as it’d be unfair on the other guys in the division if they could get fastracked to title fights purely on their name, plus they’d end up getting slaughtered if they were thrown into fights with Machida or Shogun.
However, if Chuck and Randy just care about having interesting fights before they retire then they might as well face each other or other legends, though I hope that those fights wouldn’t be presented as main events. The shocking buyrate for 109 proves that people won’t accept fights that don’t figure into the title picture as main events, no matter who is involved.
Personally I think that top fighters should retire before they have to resort to fighting other old men in meaningless fights or against substandard opposition just to get a win. Nobody wants to see fighters ruin their legacies or health by going on for too long, Chuck especially is guilty of that.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Agreed
I don’t get how Couture can sit there and bash Fedor when he just beat a walking stiff in Coleman then wants to fight Toney lol
Randy just said Fedor has to fight Werdum
…not that he himself is better then Fedor. You and I all criticize these dudes, does that mean we shouldn’t be able to talk cause we’re not in the UFC? No we’re critiquing, just like Randy is, he wasn’t offensive, and if anyone has a right to speak up, its most certainly him.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's funny though
Randy was criticizing Fedor for not fighting legit competition and essentially fighting in freak show matches at the same time he’s trying to fight Toney…kinda hypocriticial.
"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."
by Buster Bluth on Mar 10, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
lol i kinda see what you're saying though...
…I saw no mention of Randy saying Fedor was involved in freakshows. Simply that he has to settle this contract/M1 dispute and get to fighting.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Couture didn't "bash" Fedor
Giving someone career advice isn’t bashing them or trash talking. Randy has many many times expressed his respect and admiration for Fedor. But like everyone else in the world whose name isn’t Vladim, he thinks Fedor should be fighting in the UFC. Is he not allowed to say that? If anyone has the right it’s him, because he actually left his UFC title to go to another org and challenge the best in the world. (though the fight got blocked by Zuffa legal). Nobody can ever accuse Randy of not challenging himself or seeking out new challenges. He’s said he wants to fight Anderson Silva. Now he wants to test himself against one of the most decorated champions in Boxing history. That’s not hypocrisy, that’s heart!
It would be an insult...
to even have randy fight this joker……………..
Oh, yes, Meg, yes-yes yes, everything was going swimmingly for you until this. Yes, yes, THIS is the thing that will ruin your reputation, not your years of grotesque appearance, or your awkward social graces, or that Felix Ungerish way you clear your sinuses, no no no, it's THIS. Do you hear yourself talk? I might kill you tonight.
Couture haterade?!?
What a surprise. I’m shocked.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree about the payday....
But why even give toney a chance to ko couture?? That could really hurt mma in the eyes of everyone who views “Boxing vs. MMA”.
Oh, yes, Meg, yes-yes yes, everything was going swimmingly for you until this. Yes, yes, THIS is the thing that will ruin your reputation, not your years of grotesque appearance, or your awkward social graces, or that Felix Ungerish way you clear your sinuses, no no no, it's THIS. Do you hear yourself talk? I might kill you tonight.
boxing vs Mma fans is stupid
We’re not going to start watching boxing on a regular other than maybe the odd HUGE main event and even that’s probs 1 out of 10 of us. And boxing fans aren’t going to convert if Toney loses anyways. So if he beats Randy do they stay? No they maybe watch til Toney loses then they leave.
We’re not ‘proving’ anything to boxing fans, win of lose, so I don’t care, just let em fight, enjoy it, and skip the politics.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Mar 10, 2010 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn D.W.!
I am agreeing with everything you have said so far. You and Shonuff are basically speaking for me thus giving my thumbs and the battery on my phone a break. Thanks guys , keep up the good work! Lol
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by PSYQO78 on Mar 10, 2010 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm a fan of both sports so I always laugh at the boxing vs. MMA feud, personally I think that if you enjoy one combat sport then you'll enjoy them all if you give them a chance
I’m just interested to see what a top boxer can do in MMA, it’s the only major martial art that isn’t represented in MMA other than by former journeymen or amateurs. There are national champion and olympic caliber wrestlers, ADCC tournament winners in BJJ and K-1 GP winners and finalists so I’m now happy to see a former multi-weight world champion boxer test his skills in MMA. He can’t be any more one dimensional or unfit than Rolles Gracie so I say why not give a charismatic and talented boxer a crack in the UFC? It’s about time that boxing was properly represented in MMA as before Toney there were more world champions from WWE than any boxing organisation involved in the sport.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
agreed about MMA vs Boxing
MMA has a lot more to lose in that matchup than Boxing. If Toney gets dragged to the ground and pounded to a decision in his rookie fight by a 5 time world MMA champ, it’s not that big a disgrace. If MMA’s most decorated champ gets caught and put to sleep in the first minute by a boxer in his MMA debut, that’s a major blow to MMA and would be enough ammo to keep the boxing fans throwing it in our faces for the next 10 years. The only thing that saved us in the Tim Sylvia debacle was the fact that Tim was never a popular champ and was on a losing streak and fighting in the minor leagues.
Boxing has the numbers
Klitschko’s last fight wasn’t even televised in the US and they still earned over $1 million each for the fight. 61,000 in attendence, 11 million viewers in Germany alone. You’d have to fight 4 title fights in the UFC to match those numbers. Boxing is well established in the mainstream worldwide. The whole counrty stops to watch Ricky Hatton fight. All of Europe stops to watch Klitschko fight. The whole counrty stops to watch Pacquiao fight. Nobody in the Philippines even knows what the UFC is. That’s where boxing’s dominance on paper comes from. You also have to remember that boxing has been legal and sanctioned for waaaaaaaay longer than mma. When mma has been around as long as boxing their numbers will be just as impressive but in comparison mma is brand new.
Randy isn't the best
does this man know anything about MMA would be funny if he turned up with 1 boxing glove on
Randy has won more title fights than any other fighter in MMA history
He may not be the best now, but he’s by far the most decorated champion in the history of the sport. Aside from the well-known fact that he’s a 5-time, 2 division world champion, Randy has won more title fights than any other fighter in MMA history (9). That’s more than Fedor, Hughes, or Silva, and almost twice as many as Chuck, Tito, BJ or GSP. And in his whole 13 years in the UFC, Randy has only lost one non-title fight (to 3-time champ Nog)
he's also lost more titles than any other fighter
it doesn’t sound as good when you put it like that does it lmao
This is a sideshow
Randy is going to kill Toney. People that think James has a chance just dont get it. Randy will dump him on his head and pound him until the ref stops it, I will be surprized if this fight goes any longer than two minutes. For people living in LALALAND, Toney does not have a chance.
Prove to who?
You’re not going to prove mma is greater than boxing by signing a 40-something year old- hasn’t won a fight in years-failed multiple drug tests-out of shape-shit talker.
Yeah, you won't, but you can say shit and Dana masters it.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 10, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
He's a bum
Anybody in the UFC can beat this guy, he sucks. His record as a heavy weight is shit and against nobodys. He’s been banned for steroids as many times as Barnett yet somehow is still in shit for shape. His last few fights were losses and no contests. Dana shit the bed on this one. Hershel Walker could beat this guy. Canseco would still get his ass kicked though. He’s old and LAZY, he was lazy in his prime. Think about it, if he had anything left in the tank he’d still be boxing for million dollar purses instead of fifty thousand dollar paydays (if that) in the UFC. George Foreman did it at 45 for something like a $5 million purse. If you’re washed up in the boxing ring than you’re washed up in the octogon before you even step in it. Nick Diaz would box this guys eyes closed and then choke him for shits and giggles. He can’t fight anymore and now he’s going to learn take down defense and how to fight off his back? He might be the first fighter to win by moob submission, suffocating his opponent between his sausage breasts. Dana better never mention Hershal Walkers name again.
i wouldnt say anybody in the ufc can beat him
his will always have the so called punchers chance,ppl will bag him for any little reason but i’ll give him props for wanting to got to the big stage instead of strikeforce or another org, win or lose he will gain sum respect in peoples eyes
No way
I think this casts doubts on the UFC the same way Canseco and Hershel do on Strikeforce AND if he gets completely owned with something like a 15 second submission it’s mud on his face and Dana’s. You have to earn respect in the ocotogon, not signing a contract. Plus, you don’t think he would have signed with Strikeforce if they had offered more money? Nobody wanted him, that’ why he’s not boxing anymore. As weak as the heavyweight division is in boxing you don’t think they’d line him up across from Klitschko if they thought he had half a puncher’s chance….against a glass jaw no less? He’d take that fight for free for a shot at the title, but nobody wants to see it.
To be fair the Klitschkos are taking on lousy opponents at the moment
The European champion’s just been fastracked to face Vitali, whilst David Haye is defending his title against John Ruiz who lost to Toney before James failed a post-fight drugs test, as well as to the 7ft freak Valuev twice (the same Valuev that looked like an amateur in losing to Haye). HW boxing is in a sorry state so if James got in shape he probabaly could get a big fight, Wlad and Vitali haven’t faced a decent HW in years. If a guy that was supposed to defend his title against Fraudley Harrison and who’s biggest win is over Danny Williams can get offered a title fight then anyone can.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Could be but
I believe that anybody that is not a total idiot already knows that. You get your hardcore boxing guys that will tell you differantly but thats just your hardcore boxing guys being defensive.
Anybody that is not a total idiot...
That leaves me wondering how he got signed in the first place. Dana is a greedy asshole, but not an idiot. I bet if you could get an honest answer he regrets it already. It’s nice for the publicity but that will fade and then you’re stuck with this fat old loser. The best thing that could happen is he fails another piss test and Dana can cut him before he embarrases himself or Dana. I hope I’m wrong to be honest, I’d love to see more depth in the heavyweights.
toney is confident
in his takedown defense saying it would be hard to take him down, and randy would still get ko’d.
LIL NOG VS JAMES TONEY
1ST FIGHT MAKE IT HAPPEN DW.
cancel forrest fight
by fedor spiderush st.gracie on Mar 10, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions
Toney Knows How To Promote
This will be an interesting fight . . . not! Randy will just duck the punch, take him down and pound him out. Even if Toney makes it out of the first round he will be exhausted. I doubt this will happen.
Toney vs The True Heavyweights would be a joke!
I would like to see him fight Barry, only because they are both short asses and strikers!
Just wonderin
Not being a boxing fan can someone tell me a little about what made Toney such a legendary boxer? I looked up a few of his fights and he looked immobile and sloppy. I From what I’ve seen the footwork in the top levels of MMA seem to be more advanced. I’m sure he has lots of power but I expected to see more of an elusive target
He was a good counterpuncher in his day
He caught a lot of guys with his counter-right hand and has beaten some top guys including Holyfield. Problem with Toney is that he’s lazy and has taken PEDs in the past, his footwork’s never been that good either. However his counterpunching would be enough to destroy most MMAsts on the feet.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
perfect dancing partner for toney
pat berry i think would be a nice way to warn up james toney both have good stand up ones a boxer the other kickboxer nice if u ask me
True.
Randy’s chin deffinetly isn’t what it was back in his “Captain America”, pull out the miracle days. If he takes a strong punch on the button the Couture band wagon will look very, very, small. Lights out.
Greasy St.Pierre, the last Outsider.
Anderson Silva reign= reaping the benefits of a very weak UFC MW division for the past 3 years.
Penn, Ortiz, Big Nog, Mir, Belfort, Barnett, and Nick Diaz.
Randy is too smart to strike with Toney and to smart overall in the MMA game
Toney by the sounds of it doesn’t respect Randy’s game and it’s going to cost him. Does Toney know dirty boxiing? I think he believe he does but dirty boxing in boxing is not the same as dirty boxing in MMA.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I think Cro Cop would be a great first fight for Toney
I think the kicks would be too much for him since Cop would be able to throw them from a distance. I think Randy is a little high on the totem right now for Toney to come straight in and fight. I might even suggest Roy Nelson, if we’re looking for a top notch grappler, but the Struve fight might get in the way assuming they’re trying to show us what Toney’s got in the next few months or so. Bare minimum I believe before Toney will fight though will be 6 months, so it could happen.
I like Toney vs Nelson
Nelson got good exposure from TUF so a lot of boxing/kimbo fans know who he is. If he loses, it’s no big loss of face for MMA since he’s relatively untested at UFC level. And if he wins, it teaches Toney and boxing fans not to underestimate MMA.
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