Cain Velasquez: I'm ready for a shot at Brock Lesnar
by James Kimball on Mar 1, 2010 3:31 PM EST
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"Yes. I'm ready. I think I've been ready for a while. The way this sport works is you've just got to prove yourself when you get the chance. I want to fight the best so I can be the best ... I don't know what I do better than (Lesnar) but I do know I'd be ready. I know what I can do, I know I train with really tough guys, and I know I'd prepare myself to give him a really good fight -- I think it would be a really good fight between us ... I think I'd have to wear him out for the first two or three rounds, because he's so big and strong. I'd need to be weary of him at the beginning. I think that'd be my best option, trying to do that. He's a great athlete, and he has wrestled in the NCAAs, and you have to be a top athlete to do that, but I think that would be my best bet."
AKA product and fast-rising UFC heavyweight star Cain Velasquez shares his thoughts on a potential match up with the division's champ, Brock Lesnar. Prior to his career-catapulting performance on Feb. 21, UFC President Dana White announced that the winner of the night's main event between Velasquez and Minotauro Nogueira would get the title shot against Lesnar should the winner of the Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin bout at UFC 111 have to be shelved after the fight due to injuries. So, despite the relative lack of experience in his young, though undeniably promising career, Cain may just get his wish sometime this year. Is the undefeated heavyweight ready to challenge for the crown, or is he still a couple fights away from deserving a shot?
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Thats a great pic of Nog! I think he is going the way of Jardine
too many knock out losses….
by JRE on Mar 1, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nope!
Cain was a better man that day. NOG is still a contender he just ate some dynamite and a couple a grenades that day.
If NOG would have won, people would have said, Awesome that’s our typical NOG, YAY.
I think this is the most dangerous NOG ever cause his boxing and Jiu-Jitsu have gotten way better than the Pride days.
The most dangerous Nog ever?
Have you been living under a rock for the past three weeks?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Watch his old fights
and you will see that he was more of a Thales Leites back in Pride.
He is a way better fighter now. He just got beat by a better man.
I understand what you mean. But his boxing is slow and he has no take downs(or will to try to get the fight to the ground).
His jits is no good if he can’t take any of the great wrestlers down.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Got to agree Jay
I hate it when people say “well if he would have won then blah blah blah…” though the statement is true, it is an IF and he DIDN’T. Nog got tooled and is just to slow for today’s heavyweight division. We are seeing that more and more in MMA, the great athletes are winning more and more other than the guy with the big heart or great technique.
by Edgecrusher71 on Mar 1, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
His boxing is terrible!
His reflexes are shot, he is blocking everything with his face, and he is no longer able to absorb the punishment he used to. He is getting lit up and rocked repeatedly by EVERYONE. He used to ABSORB punishment, now he just takes it. How many times do we have to seem him staring up at the lights?? Nog needs to stop with the boxing shit and go back to being a BJJ fighter. He can submit anyone so why is he trying to be a boxer???
He's not even considered anymore...
Frank Mir beat his ass standing and so did the young Cain. He’s a legend for sure but the torch was passed when he got KTFO’d he can’t take the big punches anymore!
KTFO'd = Knocked the fuck outed??
Oh, yes, Meg, yes-yes yes, everything was going swimmingly for you until this. Yes, yes, THIS is the thing that will ruin your reputation, not your years of grotesque appearance, or your awkward social graces, or that Felix Ungerish way you clear your sinuses, no no no, it's THIS. Do you hear yourself talk? I might kill you tonight.
Wasnt he sick?
Most of you guys were not counting the loss to Frank cause he was sick.
Why would you start counting it know?
I will count him out when someone like Randy KOs him. I mean like snoring, full asleep KO.
Randy can't KO anyone..................
Oh, yes, Meg, yes-yes yes, everything was going swimmingly for you until this. Yes, yes, THIS is the thing that will ruin your reputation, not your years of grotesque appearance, or your awkward social graces, or that Felix Ungerish way you clear your sinuses, no no no, it's THIS. Do you hear yourself talk? I might kill you tonight.
You will only count Nog out when the impossible happens?
How about you only believe in Nog again when he beats someone (convincingly) in the top 5. That seems like a more rational approach.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Its like he is losing to cans.........
It makes more sense if he loses to someone like Randy.
Don’t say its impossible cause Randy can drop people.
Sick during the Cain fight too?
He’s too slow. Forget about Nog, he is a non-factor as far as I’m concerned.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
I think some people are starting to see a pattern in Nog's fights.
I don’t think it would have mattered if he had staph or not. It is a forgone conclusion that Mir would pwn Nog any way.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Thank you!
Thats how I see it. If you take the best Nog from the Heath Herring fight (in UFC) and the Tim Sylvia fight, He would still get knocked silly by Frank Mir, any way you cut it. Die Hard Nogueira fans will always try to make excuses about this dinosaur but there is no chance of Mir ever losing to him.
by JRE on Mar 1, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
i want to argue
but since he just got Cain’d semi concious I have some serious concerns. I thought he could Murder Mir, but it’s a tough sell.
His hands were ssssso slow in the last fight and like Jay said he has zero TD ability and thats a problem with the big wrestlers.
I fear Nog is on CC path
he can take the "big" punches
He’s just never been hit that way before, the explosion and the way he was all over him once he fell down is something no fighter has ever done before.
when your body don’t allow you to do whatever your head tells you, is the day it’s time to step down.
familiar faces in unfamiliar places.
Hershel!!!! LOL
But seriously, it’s a great camp…
"You're doing a lot of choppin', but no chips are flyin'." - Foghorn Leghorn
LOL
I think that’s pretty much it too. Good camp for WW’s, but they definitely need to bring in some HW’s to prep him for The Brockness Monster.
by LJ. on Mar 1, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Cain is a much better technical fighter, Brock is still robotic when it comes to the standup and i don’t think he’d have an easy time trying to shoot from the outside on Cain.
does he deserve a title shot? absolutely! can he win? absolutely!
familiar faces in unfamiliar places.
Not as many tools, but he does use what he's got better.
And I agree, maybe he can beat Brock. Only one way to find out.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
You know it baby
People want to see someone knock Lesnar off the top spot…..well now we have the guy to do it, and his name is Cain Velazquez. There will be no denying this kid…….He’s a monster, and I guarantee the UFC HW championship belt will be around his waist.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
If the UFC had any sense then they'd have already booked this fight
Brock-Cain will be a much better fight than Brock-Mir III or Brock-Carwin. Cain has done more than anyone else to earn his shot and it’s a travesty that he continuously gets overlooked because he doesn’t talk shit about Brock to the media. Same with JDS.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
"if ufc had any sense they'd have already booked this fight" ?????
This is the one area where I couldn’t disagree more with the majority of mma fans. Why is there obsession with instant greatification? “Fedor has to fight Lesnar now” “cain should get the shot before carwin”… Whatever happened to the build up? I hate to say it but what meaweather is doing now is genius. Do you think less people will buy any of these fights if they happen in 2011 instead of yesterday? UFC is a business and they won’t kill there golden goose. Let cain have one more fight while carwin or mir in the rubber match get 1st shot and then even more people will buy the cain fight. Dana promised a title shot to carwin and he’s already getting shit on by having to beat Mir first.
Wouldn’t we be pissed if Dana let cain leapfrom carwin?
What happened to appreciateing the build up. Cain will get his shot and it will work out better for him and ufc if its at the end of the year. Even if Cain loses to say JDS then even more people will wanna see JDS VS Brock and then cain would beat a guy like nelson and get another title shot.
There’s only 5 or so Legitimate mathups for Lesnar in the HW division. he could fight all 5 by winter of 11.
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 1, 2010 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brock is...
-A better wrestler
-40 pounds heavier
-as fast as Cain, or close enough to be negligible.
How the hell is he going to wear him out? I honestly want an answer from someone who is a big Cain fan, because I am not sold on this kid. Good, yes. Able to beat Lesnar? I just don’t see it.
he also trained with Rogers
Who would probally help Cain out practicing against a bigger stronger fighter. Not saying Rogers has Brocks ability but it’s as close as anyone for size and power.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I'm not a big Cain fan but...
I’d say his advantages over Lesnar are on the feet as he has more technical and diverse stand-up, and cardio. I don’t think anyone in the HW division keeps up with the pace Cain brings. That being said, I doubt those advantages are enough to nullify the one’s Brock has over him. Then again, I thought Nog was going to school Cain so what do I know.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Kongo dropped Brown Pride every time he hit him. I don’t see how he takes a couple shots from Brock. And if Brock drops him he won’t have someone with the grappling skills of an upside down turtle going to the ground with him.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Well Nog has far superior boxing to Brock
and he didn’t touch Cain. Don’t think MMA math works on this one, Cain’s stand-up looked much, much better in his last fight. Guess it depends if Brock can put his hands on him.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Or how much Brock has improved standing as well all around
Could be scary to see a much improved Lesnar from the Lesnar we seen last summer.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Nog has better boxing than Brock? According to whom? Brock makes huge improvements from one fight to the next, and that’s from Frank Mir. It stands to reason that Brock’s boxing/stand-up are rapidly improving. Plus, we’ve never even seen much of his boxing because so far nobody has been able to withstand more than one punch from Brock.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Like I said, I don't think Cain's advantages would be enough
You guys are jumping down my throat, when in the end I agree with you. Actually, it’s pretty well documented that Nog has some of the best boxing skills in the division having trained with the Cuban national team for a number of years. Brock’s punches are obviously very powerful, but his stand-up skills have looked rather rudimentary so far. I’m not saying that his stand-up won’t be much improved, or that it even couldn’t be better than Cains. IMO though, I think Cain has better stand-up than Brock right now.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
There is also the issue
Of what Brock we will see. Brock just had a life threatening illness that kept him out of training for quite a while and had him walking around at a weight 25 pounds under what he usually has to cut to. This could have a drastic effect on his fighting ability.
Doubt it Ryan
Infact I think the opposite, he will be much better, more training = better fighter.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That's because you aren't agreeing hard enough, Diceman.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Give me a break, Nogs boxing is better than Brocks?
I doubt that. He may have more knowledge about boxing and if his body would hold up, he may have a chance, but Brock has more ability to box and therefore is the better boxer.
by JRE on Mar 1, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Since you asked…….i’m a huge Cain fan, and even though Brock is the Champ, i think there are still way more question marks with Lesnar, whereas there aren’t really any question marks with Cain. The fact is, Brock just doesn’t have enough fights to answer the questions. My big question with Lesnar is his standup. We didn’t see much of it in the Mir fights. We saw a little bit of it against Herring, but most of that fight was on the ground. You could say that Lesnar doesn’t need to be a dominant striker because his ground game is so dominant, but i also think Cain has as good a chance as any to negate Lesnar’s ground game. Cain has some serious wrestling skills, and he’s quick enough to give Lesnar fits trying to take him down. Having said that, i think Cain has erased any doubts around his stand up, but has Lesnar?
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
I am not really a huge fan of either
I understand where you are coming from, and I hope we get to see this fight at some point in the future. I have been telling my wife for years that there would come a day when people would start talking about adding a 225 division due to a plethora of very large men who cut to make 265. Cain could do alot to make that not happen by beating Lesanr, but after the way Lesnar dominated Mir, by brute strength, I have my doubts until I see it.
Thanks for the reply.
I think that is the concensus on this site, Glamis.
I was surprised to see someone talk about Brock and not bring up the WWE. I think I like Cain a little bit today.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Agreed.
The last Mir/Lesnar fight was such a one sided beat down I dont want to see a rematch any time soon.
I am very impressed with Mir lately
I would love to see him fight Cain or JDS and I can’t wait for the Carwin fight.
I got Cain beating Brock and shocking us all!!!
I was on a job 4 years ago and a plumber told me to look out for a guy named Cain Valasquez. The guys name was “The Thing” he trains at AKA. I said yeah right thats what everyone around here says. “Look out for this guy look out for that guy” What ever dude! But now everyone that knows or has trained around here says Cain is the real deal. After i saw him completely minus out Big Nog im a total believer!!!!
and plumbers definantly know their shit
my dream fight would have to be Brock Lesnar vs Jake Shields...and before the fight theres a video of jake slapping brock's wife...then id like to see shields try to gay porn a win over brock using his butt sex merry-go-round tactics...the massacre that would take place would be the greatest thing ever televised...every limb jake has would look like corey hill's leg...god i hate jake shields
I had the same reaction as you Hell.
As i said i didn’t believe what he was saying but he proved so far that he can beat possibly the best striker, the bets submission guy and now the biggest wrestler in Brock.
no i meant literally
as in feces….cause cain beating brock is nothing but a big pile of feces
my dream fight would have to be Brock Lesnar vs Jake Shields...and before the fight theres a video of jake slapping brock's wife...then id like to see shields try to gay porn a win over brock using his butt sex merry-go-round tactics...the massacre that would take place would be the greatest thing ever televised...every limb jake has would look like corey hill's leg...god i hate jake shields
I just want to see someone beat Brock with Punches
I can’t wait for the day when Brock is gassed in the octagon and gets pounded out with a couple hundred pillow punches….
by JRE on Mar 1, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see him face first on the canvas.
I would like to see the embarrassed and humbled Brock.
Glad to see you say that Puck.
I think Nog was the only thing we didn’t agree on in the past.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Nobdy is like Brock jay
Imagine Cain with 35 more pounds of solid muscle on himself and a little more speed and Strength!!!? Oh Yeah that would be Brock.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
But I think you are starting to see what I was saying all along.
Nog is too slow, small and weak to deal with Brock, JDS, Cain, Shane and Frank. That is a proven fact.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
He's beatable and always has been
losing to Cain by one punch doesn’t mean he isn’t a good fighter and doesn’t mean the same thing would happen a second time.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You didn't notice the distinct speed difference?
You are a tough nut to crack. Nog will continue losing to the top 5 because he is too slow and punch drunk. Gone are the days of surviving long enough to pull a sub out of his ass.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
He always has been slow
But he hasn’t been KO in the stand up or on the ground until Mir did it. The question is his chin what it used to be? I’m not going to judge him for that until he faces a couple more opponents at least. Mir has KO power with out a doubt and this is the first time Cain has KO someone but it was a counter that was perfectly timed.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Big Nog is one of my favs.
BUT, its like the old dog that owns the neighborhood and one day a pack of new ones come along: Cain, Carwin, JDS and Mir who already beat his ass. The talk of staph won’t fly anymore cause of the last fight with Cain.
Agreed
I was hoping that staph was the reason for the terrible performance against Mir but the fact is that he’s too slow and stationary to beat the top HWs anymore. He’s too easy to hit and now his chin isn’t enough to survive standing with these monsters. Cain looked a class above Nog and would beat him everytime that they fought, Nog’s not finished but he’s officially past his prime.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
with you Jay
because i’m i don’t necessarily like or dislike NOG, i can look at him pretty objectively as a fighter. Can he still come out and give the fans a great show? Absolutely. Does he deserve the chance to do that considered everything he’s given the sport? Absolutely. Will he ever be relevant as a contender for the HW belt? Absolutely Not.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
He might be right...but
He might be just a little bit right, in terms of having superior conditioning that might be a wee bit better than Brock ( a maybe) ,but to let that out as a possible strat right now and tip your hat, is a little bit crazy especially this far out in the future. Especially where I dont see any other category he would have an edge over Brock in. The other candidates like Carwin could have an advantage in raw power and strength, Frank in submission skill, but I believe Cain needs something more than “hoping” to wear out Brock if he gets the shot. Good luck to him if he does though. More power to him.
Id root for brock
maybe he could smack that dumb tattoo off him heh
Weight Difference
Brock walks around plus 300 llbs or near enough whilst Cain Valasquez walks around 240 llbs. Pretty much the same body build as Rampage, maybe a little stockier.
Who’s more explosive? I would have to say Valasquez
Who’s the harder hitter? Brock, although he hasn’t KO’d anyone
Who’s got the better takedowns? Valasquez has taken everyone down he has wanted to take down in ease
Who’s got better cardio? Valasquez has cardio for days. Brock hasn’t tested himself in deep waters…
Who’s got better stand up? Based on the last fight Valasquez
Who’s got better ground and pound? Brock, although can get complacent
If I was to pick a winner, I’d say Brock only because of his size differential but if Valasquez can keep the fight standing and test Brocks chin it would be a very exciting fight
No way Cain is able
One person tell me what happens when Cain is on his back with Brock is side control or is his guard? It will be good night Mr. Velasquez.
I think with the win over Nog....
Cain proved he’s capable of winning any heavyweight fight he enters….definitely will hold a HW belt someday.
LOL
Cain will destroy Lesnar. Lesnar looks so herky jerky and unsure of himself in there. Cain is better at every single aspect of fighting. He’ll kill Brock on the feet, nullify any take downs, and put Brock on his back at will. Brock has done nothing to impress me. Laying on much weaker and less explosive fighters than Cain isn’t impressive. Cain would will his way through Lesnar the way he does with everyone else.
HaHa...
Put Brock on his back at will? Stop Lesnar takedowns? Are you on glue?
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
Who knows, Cain would be the best wrestler Brock's fought since Couture
Randy was able to take Brock down and dealt with Lesnar’s wrestling quite well, Cain is a much bigger, younger and stronger guy than Randy and has superb wrestling of his own that translates very well to MMA. If anyone can take Brock down at will it’s Cain, until they fight we won’t know how they deal with each other’s wrestling.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Brock is 285 when he steps in the ring not 300.
Brock KO randy too
Brock is faster and stronger
endurance advantage is unknown
Explosion is easily Brocks
there isn’t one man Cain has faced that could stop Brock from taking him down
everything else i agree
Both are relentless tough SOB’s = great fight
Who has the bigger heart
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Cruiser weight
Cain is without a doubt the more well rounded fighter, but too small for Brock. Brock simply has the physical tools to nullify Cain’s skill set. Cain could be a dominant cruiser weight champ though, if the UFC will add such a weight class!
Agree, new guy.
canadians cheat and lie…whereas americans are fair and respectul in sports…--HellaHectic the funniest MF'er on Mania
thing is with Brock he gets better with training
Those that think who ever he faces has a chance because of the ring rust will be wrong. He improves everyday he trains and when he comes back he will be better than the Brock that beat Mir last summer. Same goes for Cain he’s dedicated to the gym but the improvement you will see in Brock because of the experience will be much greater.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Cain's getting bigger all of the time, he may not be as big as Brock but he's certainly a lot quicker and whilst Brock has been inactive he's been on the roll of his life
Brock is a monster but size alone won’t beat Cain, he has to work a lot on his striking because right now Cain would outbox him and would outwork him. For a HW Cain has superb cardio and I’m confident that he can wear down Brock in a title fight. He has superb wrestling like Brock but has the speed and cardio advantage, plus we don’t know how Brock is going to look after a year lay-off and a serious illness.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Cain vs Junior Dos Santos
provided Junior takes care of Gonzaga. Great number one contender bout to go on around the same time of Brock vs Mir/Carwin.
Yes that should happen, JDS is the true number one contender
Watching JDS ko cain would be nice.
Great fight but I think it's unfair on those 2 to have to fight one more contender to get a title fight when Mir and Carwin have done nothing to earn one
The winner of Cain and JDS would be the next champion in my opinion.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
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