Ed Soares: Chael Sonnen should fight Demian Maia to determine number one contender
by Jesse Holland on Feb 8, 2010 9:04 PM EST
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"We've spoken with Chael on many occasions and have the utmost respect for him. He's never really come across in this manner, and it's obvious he's just drumming up hype in hopes to get a bout with Anderson. We are fine if this is what the UFC wants, but if you look at this logistically, Sonnen should fight Demian Maia first. Demian beat up easily, by submission, so why not make them fight first, to determine who gets a shot at the title? It's funny, but really, who actually listens to what Chael Sonnen has to say? The only time people listen is when he talks about Anderson. Who is he, really? If you walk down the street and you mention his name, does anyone really know who this guy is? Likely not, but if you mention Anderson Silva, people know the name. Chael's also said a few things about Anderson's choice of clothes and that he wears earrings, didn't he? Sounds to us like he may have a crush on Anderson."
Sound familiar? Ed Soares, manager and translator for UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva, is once again playing matchmaker, this time on the heels of a supposed 185-pound number one contender bout between Chael Sonnen and Nate Marquardt at UFC 109: "Relentless" this past Saturday night (Feb. 6). UFC President Dana White promised the winner of Sonnen vs. Marquardt the first crack at the division title after "The Spider" defends it at UFC 112 in Abu Dhabi. Now Soares is tampering with the formula -- much like he did after Dan Henderson decapitated Michael Bisping at UFC 100 to earn his rematch (and we all know how that ended up). Does Soares have a legitimate gripe? Or should he zip his lip leave the matchmaking to Joe Silva?
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it can go any way
Nate>Maia>Sonnen.
Maia>Sonnen>Nate.
Sonnen>Nate>Maia
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
No thats the way it did go
do you not remember nate leaving maia laying face down on the mat? then sonnon dominating nate, so NO there is no reason for sonnon to fight maia. sonnon is the number 1 contender.
Im just saying agree or disagree doesnt matter
The UFC said winner of that fight gets a shot………………………………….
not whe it comes to anderson. he gets to pick his fights.
this could be hendo II.
by Conan the Barbarian on Feb 8, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody deserves a title shot to Ed Soares
To Ed Soares, nobody deserves a title shot, not Marquard, not Hendo, not Belfort, not Sonnen or any other middleweight in the known universe, except his golden boy after beating Leben.
Somebody should just tell this tard to shut-up, i’m tired of seeing the champion pick who to fight and creating excuses.
where is your memory?
do you remember what happened when maia fought sonnon and sub’d him in the first round?
Memroy is Right Here
I also remember Gray Maynard tossing Frankie around like nothing for 3 rounds.
Anything can happen in MMA, even BS top contender decisions!
Its a wash
Maia finished sonnen easily, sonnen manhandled nate, nate smashed maia. Sonnen gets it because he was supposed to get smashed by nate and dominated him. Maia isn’t really a threat to silva because of his weak, but improving stand up. Can’t stand sonnen really, but it was a really impressive win. Anderson is my favorite fighter and i would be nervous about him losing a decision from sonnen.
sac165
do you not remember Maia leaving Nate choked out in his triangle?
you should watch MMA before posting.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
two_words NO i do not remember NATE being choked in a triangle, maybe you could tell me when that was since U obviously watch so much mma
maia shouldn’t get a title shot because it would go just like the leites fight did with anderson, and its alot harder to promote than sonnen
I meant Sonnen.
Maia is 6-1 in the UFC, with 4 sub of the nights, and finishing 5/6 wins.
Sonnen is 3-1 since his return. no finishes, except for being choked out.
I think they should fight again. You’re right that it’ll be tough to sell Maia against Anderson, but Sonnen would get destroyed by Anderson. Sonnen can sell more tickets but im not sure he could put up a better fight.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Jardine beat Chuck, Chuck beat Wandy and Wandy ktfo Jardine
Just because Sonnen beat Nate and Nate beat Maia, it doesn’t mean anything. I have no problem at all with Maia and Sonnen fighting for the No’1 shot, it makes sense to me, should be a good fight.
by Ade on Feb 9, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
Sonnen has the momentum
He put on a dominating performance against the guy most considered a solid #2 in the division. If the rematch between Sonnen and Maia has to happen let it happen after he gets his crack at the Spider.
Do not. I repeat, do not, go to mma-core.com. I made the mistake of watching a couple UFC 108 bouts on there and I am still trying to get all the viruses of my computer. Ridiculous! You've been warned.
by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Feb 9, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
sac165
do you not remember Sonnen tapping out to Maia’s BEAUTIFUL triangle in the first round?
Watch MMA.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
dont you remember
maia subbing chael and chael beating nate? its a 3 way tie
by PHISH NATION on Feb 9, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
first of all sonnen was on a 3 fight ufc losing streak
before he beat miller….and all of them were submissions….
sub by maia
sub by horn
sub by sobral
and this is your number 1 contender? because he suddenly hes 3-3 in the ufc?
since when does going 3-3 in the ufc make you a number 1 contender?
maia is 6-1 in the ufc AND HE BEAT SONNEN
sonnen is 3-3 in the ufc AND HE GOT BEAT BY MAIA
why is this still a conversation??
and how can you land 160 strikes on a guys face and still look worse than him? ive seen girls in pillow fights on girls gone wild videos cause more damage than sonnen caused in that fight….
what tito did to shamrock in their first fight, THATS ground n pound….what koscheck did to chris lytle THAT was ground n pound…what brock has done to everyone is ground n pound…i dont know how someone land 160 strikes on a guys face and the other guy lands one elbow and you end up looking worse….does one elbow equal to 160 of sonnen’s feather pillow marshmellow strikes?
my dream fight would have to be Brock Lesnar vs Jake Shields...and before the fight theres a video of jake slapping brock's wife...then id like to see shields try to gay porn a win over brock using his butt sex merry-go-round tactics...the massacre that would take place would be the greatest thing ever televised...every limb jake has would look like corey hill's leg...god i hate jake shields
by HellaHectic on Feb 8, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed witrh
I do a lot of jacking off, ya know, because I don’t get no women, so these arms are, like, humongously big. See it’s workout, and it’s pleasure.._" Charles Bennett
"He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day and looks like a ***** today." -Tank Abbott.
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I do a lot of jacking off, ya know, because I don’t get no women, so these arms are, like, humongously big. See it’s workout, and it’s pleasure.._" Charles Bennett
"He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day and looks like a ***** today." -Tank Abbott.
wow i feel like a tart
agreed with hella.
sonnen will get it because of what dana said, but i think it would be great to see him fight maia again.
I do a lot of jacking off, ya know, because I don’t get no women, so these arms are, like, humongously big. See it’s workout, and it’s pleasure.._" Charles Bennett
"He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day and looks like a ***** today." -Tank Abbott.
BUT, Maia has beaten a bunch of nobodies in the UFC, meaning non contenders
with the exception of Sonnen, who was considered a bum back then.
ONE win over Nate Marquardt is more impressive than all of Maia’s UFC wins combined (sans Sonnen).
Hell, even Sonnen’s win over Okami was bigger than each Maia win!
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
hellahectic never failing to produce dumb comments...
He wasn’t on a three fight losing streak any way you look at it.
Even if you’re taking the incredibly stupid and dishonest approach of counting his 2 octagon stints as 1, despite the fact that they were separated by 3 years, he still had a win over prangley in that time.
And he beat the shit out of Nate… The strikes he landed were powerful…not marshmellows by any standard. MMA isn’t a beauty contest. Just because an elbow happens to cut a guy’s face doesn’t mean it’s the most effective strike. That fight was never close to being stood up because Sonnen was doing so much damage from inside the guard.
The thing is, Sonnen basically lost to Maia because he had a bad strategy and he would easily win the rematch by employing striking rather than wrestling. Sonnen’s win over Nate is much more impressive than Maia’s win over Sonnen. And it’s hardly like Maia made a strong case for title contention with a lackluster performance against Miller. We could waste everyone’s time and let AS play around at LHW in meaningless fights (because he will never challenge for the title), or we could see an actually compelling title fight from a legitimate contender who was promised no 1 contendership with a win.
"Matt Hughes and his brother used to pound each other out behind the barn."
-The legendary Mike Goldberg
frost never failing to produce dumb responses
i spoke nothing but truth…a guys record doesnt start over at 0-0 at the end of every year…you may find this hard to believe but a fighter’s accomplishments in the past actually count…if you’re just gonna ignore a guys losses from 3 years ago then you might as well ignore his wins as well should you not?
the bottom line is u barely grab the guy and he starts tapping the canvas like hes trying to burp a giant baby….he lost to maia because maia is a superior grappler…simply put….the guy cant finish a fight…the guys has had like 35 fights in his career and has only finished like 10 of them….
yes he does have marshmellow hands, thats why in 35 fights he only has 3 (t)kos….that has to be the worst ratio of ko’s in mma history….3 kos in 35 fights? really?? he should definantly be in the ufc hall of fame just for that stat alone…the only guy in ufc history to have had 35 fights with only 3 tkos….thats some historical shit right there….
dude is swinging nothing but pillows…
thats why he got tapped by maia, thats why he got tapped by horn, thats why he got tapped by babalu, thats why nearly all but like 2 of his losses are by sub…the dude is not a good grappler, hes just a wrestler…when he gets on the ground with a true grappler he starts burping the mat baby
my dream fight would have to be Brock Lesnar vs Jake Shields...and before the fight theres a video of jake slapping brock's wife...then id like to see shields try to gay porn a win over brock using his butt sex merry-go-round tactics...the massacre that would take place would be the greatest thing ever televised...every limb jake has would look like corey hill's leg...god i hate jake shields
like +5 now
Agreed again.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 9, 2010 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kudos. .
To Hella and Frosnt! This has been one of the best (and most civilized) debates in a long time through which I found myself agreeing with both posters throughout. I can see that there isn’t a strong case either for or against Chael being the clear #1 contender at this point. However. . .I have to go with Frosnt that Sonnen is riding a vicious wave of momentum right now and if anyone is going to derail the Spider they better be riding one hell of a wave. The past 5 fights with AS, we’ve seen opponents be destroyed mostly because they are afraid to engage because of their lack of confidence. Out of the two, Sonnen seems to have the most confidence and since he’s not afraid to spit out some words against the Spider, I’m inclined to think that he without a doubt stands the best chance. Ed Soares knows that his money train ends when his fighters lose their mystique of invincibility. If a fighter has the tools to capitalize on the weaknesses of the “greatest fighter on earth”, of course a good manager will try to prolong the fight or offer suggestions as to why they don’t “deserve” the fight. That’s why he’s paid the big bucks!
Rollin with Frost
Maia caught Sonnen in a sub in round 1. Then he got KTFO highlight reel style. Then he got boo’d for three rounds.
Sonnen has won his last three in convincing fashion. The last of which he dominated the guy who knocked Maia TFO.
I know MMA math doesn’t always work but that is fresh in the minds of the fans and the brass.
Do not. I repeat, do not, go to mma-core.com. I made the mistake of watching a couple UFC 108 bouts on there and I am still trying to get all the viruses of my computer. Ridiculous! You've been warned.
by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Feb 9, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta agree with my boy Hectic on this one as well
Sonnen landed a couple hard shots to the body in the first round but that was it. He controlled Nate(yaaa!) but that fight should have been stood up a couple times. I was bored to death watching Sonnen outwrestle Nate and not much else. Throwing light shots to the body shouldn’t mean you can lie on someone for 15 minutes. Stand it up if there is no chance at ending the fight.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Maia is mediocre at best. so he caught chael in a slick sub. chael didn’t give the guy any respect and he got caught with a sub. maia couldn’t even finish miller. before the nate-sonnen fight, maia’s name wasn’t even being mentioned anymore as a top contender. ever since dana fed him to the wolves against nate, the ufc brass realized maia isn’t ready for the A-lister’s yet so he’s been relegated to undercard fights against b-level, at best, competition. if Anderson Silva doesn’t wanna be a MW anymore, then he should say that, and do that, instead of trying to hold on to the belt w/o fighting anyone. and as far as his refusal to fight Hendo, anybody notice that NO man in history as beaten dan 2x, this includes big nog and wand in their prime. maybe anderson thought long and hard about that stat.
good point about beating Hendo twice
Someone on here earlier said that Hendo hasn’t evolved as a fighter since he lost to Andy. But you don’t have to “evolve” to patch a hole in your game. Did Chuck evolve as a fighter after Randy beat him? No, he was the same 1 dimensional fighter he’d always been, but he fixed the hole that Randy exposed in his defense and beat Randy in both rematches. Did Matt Hughes evolve as a fighter after losing to BJ? No way, but he still beat the shit out of BJ in the rematch.
i cant stand ED
I wish he would go away or STFU. He doesnt get to tell the UFC what to do for the match ups. It actually sounds to me that ED is aftaid of this fight now. He doesnt want to lose his gravy train maybe.
Exactly! this is the same old BS Soares/Anderson have been playing for a long time now
Dana promises Hendo a title shot if he beats Bisping, but then Soares say’s Dan has to fight Nate first.
Dana brings in Vitor who KOs previous champ Rich and Soares has a problem with Vitor’s weight and tells Dana it should be a non-title fight.
Silva ducks every top contender he can and fights cans like Irvin and Cote and hand-picked non-threats like Forrest while his belt sits on a shelf and his manager dictates UFC matchmaking in a division Anderson barely fights in.
normally I would tell a fighters manager to stfu, but Soars idea'-s of matchmaking actually make th6e UFC legitimate and the create clear cut contenders which is something that Joe Silva fails to do.
Maybe its not his place to say, but he is actually right, just like he was when he said Hendo/Nate should fight!
Agreed!
Soares has no fuckin right to decide anything, but what he says kind of makes sense. Its not a bad idea!
And poeple GOT to stop this Silva ducking BULLSHIT! Who is he ducking? Anyone he already havnt fought/beat that is waiting for a shot?
And if Sonnen gets his shot, without fighting Maia, i have no problem with that either. But im with HellaHectic… the guy gets submitted every time he fights a good grappler and a we all know he’s getting tooled standing. Going by styles, not even considering that Anderson Silva is… fucking Anderson Silva!!! its a TERRIBLE matchup for him! I think he needs do prove that he can get past a BJJ guy first. Thats my opinion, and im not even Silvas manager!
by Zlatan, My Hero on Feb 9, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
If it was up to Soares
he’s set of an infinite number of contender matches until Elvis Sinosic or Rich Franklin ended up being the #1 contender.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
where does it say
that there should only be one contender and the champion can sit on his arse while everyone else in the division eliminates each other??? The MW division has been the weakest division in the UFC for a long time. What they need is more top contenders who can make interesting title fights, not less. In what other division can the champion sit back and insist on only fighting the No 1 contender? Machida’s last defense was against No 6 Shogun (who almost beat him). GSP and BJ are fighting guys ranked between #5 and #10 bc they’ve beaten everyone ranked higher than that. But Silva, the longest running UFC champ, hasn’t cleaned out his division because he makes them clean each other out while his belt collects dust and he plays on-again-off-again with injuries and backseat matchmaking to make sure no dangerous wrestlers get anywhere near him.
Facts?!
1. Yes, rankings aside, at any given moment there can only be ONE nr 1 contender and thats the guy scheduled to fight the champion!
2. Sitting on his arse? Anders Silva has been fighting almost exactly every 4 months dating back to june 2006, up until his elbow injury. No, i dont give fuck if you believe in his injury or not. Anderson Silvas hitlist:
Forrest Griffin, Knock Out, Aug-8-2009
Thales Leites, Unanimous Decision, Apr-18-2009
Patrick Cote, Technical Knock Out, Oct-25-2008
James Irvin, Knock Out, Jul-19-2008
Dan Henderson, Submission (Choke), Mar-1-2008
Rich Franklin, TKO Stoppage (Referee), Oct-20-2007
Nate Marquardt, Technical Knock Out, Jul-7-2007
Travis Lutter, Submission (Other), Feb-3-2007
Rich Franklin, Technical Knock Out, Oct-14-2006
Chris Leben, Knock Out, Jun-28-2006
3. Are there ANY names except Vitor or Sonnen that are contenders that you feel like throwing in there? Any fighter/contender at 185 that deserves a shot at the title?
4. Belfort is scheduled to fight him and Sonnen will probably get his shot. After this or perhaps maybe he needs 1 more win to deserve the titleshot. Regardsless, Anderson Silva IS fighting 4 months after the Belfort fight if he’s still the champion, and he will fight the most deserving, Nate or Sonnen.There are NO other contenders left? You choose!
5. If AS only has 3 fights left, wouldnt you want him to fight the best, truly the BEST and the most deserving at 185? Soares is a douche and his comments are dumb and cocky, but he’s not protecting AS in that sense, he’s giving him the BEST possible matchup for his last fights maybe trying to prevent a Cote/Lutter/Leites fiasco where AS looked BORED.
6. Look at the list: the fighters, their rankings, namerecognition and their winning streaks, the timeschedule and look back in your mind (if you have even seen AS fight?) at the way he has beaten them. And now, look back at what you wrote again!
by Zlatan, My Hero on Feb 9, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
23 months since his last title defense
to a top contender! The UFC pulled Cote and Leites from the back of the roll-a-dex for him and then set him up with the a freebee (Forrest) the biggest name they could find that had no KO power or takedowns and that was slow enough to make Silva look like Neo from the Matrix. Meanwhile Hendo, Nate, and Okami are waiting in the wings.
If Anderson really has only 3 fights (and I think that’s just a bullshit manipulation tactic to hand-pick his opponents) then he shouldn’t waste any of them on MWs when the LHW division is stacked with guys who would do a lot more for his legacy.
23 months? Math-issues or just smoking & writing at the same time?
He’s last defence was against Thales Leites, april 18, 2009! He’s next defence will be April 10, 2010. Thats 12 months? And it would have been earlier if it wasnt for the elbow injury!
And if your just disregarding Leites as a “Top contender” then your just contradicting yourself! Your words in the post above:
“where does it say that there should only be one contender and the champion can sit on his arse while everyone else in the division eliminates each other???”… “In what other division can the champion sit back and insist on only fighting the No 1 contender? Machida’s last defense was against No 6 Shogun (who almost beat him). GSP and BJ are fighting guys ranked between #5 and #10 bc they’ve beaten everyone ranked higher than that.”
Thats Cote and Leites for you! The Forrest fight was for the fans and i for one, fucking loved that fight.
And how many times do we have to say that Nate and Hendo had their chance and they got beat badly. Nothing would change in a rematch, but anyways, they have got to work their way back up and wait in line. Taking a elimination-fight and NOT loosing to Sonnen is a start.
Yeah, Okami got screwed. Im with you on that one.
by Zlatan, My Hero on Feb 10, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions
but leites and cote were never top contenders
and there were top contenders available at the time. What you quoted me on was saying that the condenders shouldn’t all have to keep fighting each other just becausse the champ doesn’t want to fight them. Why should TOP 5 guys be eliminating each other while the Champion fights guys who probably are barely TOP 10 if that, like Leites and Cote.
23 months is from his last top contender (Hendo) to now
By the time he actually defends again, it will be 25 months since the last time he faced a TOP 5 er.
Damn it Soares
Don’t give Sonnen any ammunition, after the last Hendo/Nate/Vitor fiasco and Sonnen’s recent shit talking the last thing that Andy needs is Soares dictating fights once again. Sure he lost to Maia but since then Demian has looked poor, scraping a win over Miller and getting KO’d immediately by the same Marquardt that Chael just beat doesn’t make him a top contender at all. Soares doesn’t need to protect the pound for pound King, there’s no reason for him to do a Finkelstein, just keep Andy focused on this big fight with Vitor then let him deal with Sonnen.
"If I could change my name what would it be? Jesus"
Tito Ortiz (seriously...)
Maia
Maia stood with Miller to show his stand-up. I thought he looked impressive…nothin’ anywhere near Anderson, but still an improvement.
Sonnen’s only loss is sub to Maia, so it’s even.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
His striking was improved but Demian was lucky that Dan can't strike either
He showed very little of his BJJ skill and he didn’t even seem interested in getting the fight to the ground. Maia beat Sonnen very impressively but since then Chael has picked up 3 big wins and Maia has gone 1-1 and not performed well in either fight. I’m a Maia fan and I hate Sonnen but at this point Chael is the top contender after beating 2 of the UFC’s best MWs in Okami and Marquardt, as well as Miller. If Andy can beat Vitor (and that’s far from a lock) then he should face Sonnen next or give up the belt, I can’t defend this dictating of fights at this point because Chael has earnt his shot and would be a new challenge for Andy, Soares isn’t doing his or Andy’s credibility any favours here.
"If I could change my name what would it be? Jesus"
Tito Ortiz (seriously...)
you're right, Soares shouldn't fuel this, concentrate on Vitor, not Sonnen
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Andy hates wrestlers.
Travis Lutter had him in serious trouble and he’s never forgotten it. Soares thinks having the belt means you get to sit back and make sure any legitimate threat gets beaten before they get to you. 10 minutes ago, Maia wasn’t remotely in the title picture, but now that Andy is threatened by a dominant wrestler, Soares looks for the one guy that is proven against Sonnen and demands Sonnen fight him again before getting a title shot. He’s moving players around the board pitting them against each other to protect his King, and Dana & Co are letting him get away with it.
"We don't pick fights"
BS Open Soares!! You just did. I think Anderson should start training for Nate cause thats who he’s going to be fighting after he loses to Belfort
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
and I say someone confronts him about speaking English...get Soares outta there asap
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Crazy Talk
Anderson is not going to stand in the middle of the ring and eat punches like rich did…… unless just to show he can take them. Vitor’s going to come out agressive and get ktfo with counterstrikes. Soares is a douche.
pink
All I gotta say is that Silva should wear pink trunks when they fight
Maia looked terrible.
Maybe improved a little from having non-existent standup, but far from good and he’s a very one dimensional fighter lacking takedown skills, he simply has no drive.
Sonnen is a more complete mma fighter and has more of a warrior spirit.
Matteo Serra is the mayn! Forza Italia.
but that Warrior cried uncle to this one-dimensional fighter who has no drive.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
yea he got subbed, it happens. Sonnen has still been more impressive and is the more wellrounded fighter
Matteo Serra is the mayn! Forza Italia.
It doesn't matter how well rounded he is if he loses, Roberto.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Better Reevaluate
When sonnen speaks, people listen.
by TapedUpPair on Feb 8, 2010 9:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Anderson Overrated Silva
Im getting sick and tired of Anderson Silva, I feel like he has been pampered like a baby in the UFC and there is so much bullshit around him. First of, hes not the best p4p fighter in the world at all. GSP Penn obviously Fedor are miles ahead of him. These fighteres have cleaned out their division. If you check the middleweight listings Anderson has beaten three of the top ten middleweights! and he s had fights against lutter? Lebel? looked terrible against Cote and Leites. why is everyone on his nuts. the fights he has had in light heavy has been weak,, ie forrest,, they are hand picked for him,, forrest griffen really? no KO power and he walks forward,, Because UFC doesnt have Fedor they have tried to make this guy their god,, they shouldve done it with GSP or Penn. As for this article,, of course they want to fight Mia instea,, he has no stand up he would get KOd in a one round because he wouldnt be able to take Anderson down,, it would be another Leites fight all over again,, they re worried that sonnen would be able to take him down and do damage,, Anyways im done with Anderson,,,, overrated cant wait till he loses to Vitor!
by jackel418 on Feb 8, 2010 9:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nice of you to ignore the wins over Franklin (twice), Marquardt and Henderson
He ended up facing the likes of Cote and Leites because he’d already cleaned out the MW division and he didn’t break a sweat beating them anyway, in fact he won by goofing around throughout the fight because neither of them did anything. He’s won his fights at the weight above unlike BJ and has never lost his UFC title, he’s easily the longest reigning UFC champion today and is 10-0 in the UFC. This was a stupid comment by Soares but no more stupid than calling Andy overrated. How you can call someone who not only beat but destroyed world class fighters in his division as well as a former LHW champion and consensus top 10 (top 5 to many as well) in Forrest Griffin is beyond me.
"If I could change my name what would it be? Jesus"
Tito Ortiz (seriously...)
agreed David
ppl can hate Ed Soares all they want, but Anderson Silva is at the top of the game, along with GSP, Fedor, and BJ.
Jackel, you actually think Anderson is worried about Sonnen taking him down?? LOL. wow.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
forrest top 5???
Really??? no way he’s top 5, barely top 10, n i’m not sure about that. forrest got the belt handed to him, he didn’t beat rampage. anyone who thinks he beat rampage has never whipped anybody’s ass or has never had their ass whipped. if forrest really and truly believes he beat rampage that night, then he’s delusional. soares knows sonnen is a tough matchup, hell carlos newton was tooling anderson on the ground, so did the jap with a losing record. hendo schooled him, as did lutter. if newton can stay active n effective in anderson’s guard, n lutter can get mount, then yes, soares should be worried about chael
Rampage's post-fight comments: "Forrest whooped my ass" <---FACT
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
deuce 4
Forrest got the belt handed to him?? Nobody gave Forrest a chance against Page, but he came in there with a great gameplan and won. He beat-up the guy who knocked out Chuck and beat Hendo. I definately rank Forrest top 5, but thats just my opinion. I can’t see how he’s ranked outside the top 10.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
"nobody gave Forrest a chance agaist Page"
Problem was, neither did Rampage. Rampage didn’t take Forrest seriously and thought he could beat him without training. Props to Rampage for giving Forrest his due after the fight. But truth be told, Forrest is nowhere near the caliber of fighter that Rampage is. I won’t say he got lucky (except with the judging), cause I’m sure Forrest worked his ass off training for that fight. But I will say what we saw that night was Forrest Griffin at the top of his game pulling off a tie against a lazy unprepared overconfident Rampage. Forrest did not fight the same Rampage that Chuck and Hendo fought.
You really think Rampage didnt train??
you think Juanito never bothered to train Rampage for this fight? Maybe Rampage didn’t give him enough credit going in, but im sure Rampage did train. He was coming off 2 convincing wins, that talent doesn’t just disappear against a guy who (in your opinion) is not even top 10. Rampage wasn’t injured, he was fine. He caught Forrest a few times, but Forrest pulled through and got the W. but I guess he got “lucky” in a gimme fight.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Rampage isn't known for his training diligence
or self-discipline. He has enough trouble motivating himself to train when he does take his opponent seriously. And it was obvious from his comments on TUF and pre-fight that he thought Forrest would be a walk-through for him. I’m sticking with what I actually said (I never said I didn’t think Forrest was top10, Isaid Rampage didn’t consider him a serious opponent) Rampage took the fight lightly and paid for it heavily, and Forrest didn’t fight the same Rampage that Hendo and Chuck fought.
Overrated?
So if he beats vitor ( who’s only impressive wins in the last five years are lindland and franklin) will he be rated properly. Everybody has this misconception that Vitor is “back” or “he has his head right now”. All because he knocked out franklin and lindland. He didn’t have to fight nate, maia, sonnen, cote, okami etc. Vitor is just the famous name of another victim. Much more concerned about sonnen.
exactly, jackel
except for the part about him losing to Vitor.
David, he hasn’t cleaned out his division, he’s cleaned out the division beneath him. He’s only had 2 fights in his own weight class and they were both hand-picked for him. I’m not saying Forrest is a can, but stylistically he was fodder for Silva and was specifically picked to make Silva look good after fans bood him out of the cage following Cote and Leites. It disgusts me the people give this guy credit for “stepping up to fight in a higher weight class” when he’s walks around at 225 and has spent his whole UFC career beating up guys 30 lbs smaller. He finally fights somebody his own size (Forrest), somebody hand-picked to showcase his skills, and people treat him like a god and criticize other fighters like GSP for not moving up to fight him. Silva has been ducking and hand-picking for over a year and has lost all my respect, and won’t regain it till he starts fighting in his own weight class (LHW) and stops telling the UFC who he will and won’t fight. So far, he or his management have expressed unwillingness to fight:
Hendo (no 1 contender at the time)
Nate (no 2 contender)
Vitor (saying they want the fight to be non-title)
Sonnen (new top contender)
(if you’re counting that’s 4 of the top 5 contenders to his belt in the past 2 years)
Machida
Lil Nog
(2 of the Top 5 in his own weight class)
huh?
So, because he’s big for his division, his fights in MW dont count. ok, i see whats happening, we’re all getting so bored with Anderson murdering ppl, we’re coming up with stupid excuses to make him look human. News flash, most fighters cut alot of weight. If he can make 185, then thats his division, quit bein a hater.
He did fight Hendo and choked him out.
He did fight Nate and finished him in the first.
And Forrest is top competition. The guy beat up Rampage for 5 rounds. Page says it himself. What else do you want? Not only that, Anderson destroyed Forrest, and Franklin twice. Do you guys even watch what he does in the Octagon?? And you still question his talent?
Who’s he avoiding??? I don’t blame Soares. Anderson has 3 fights left, I want them used properly.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
not questioning his talent , but his heart and P4P status
And yes, being freakishly big for your division does/should lessen your wins when it comes to P4P rankings. Brock is probably the most dominant HW champ in US history, but you’ll never see his name on the P4P list, cause he’s got a huge size advantage over his opponents. Same should hold true for Andy, who’s 30-40 lbs bigger than most of the guys in his division.
Who’s he avoiding? I just gave you a list!
“3 fights left” is a lie. It’s just another manipulation tactic so he can hand-pick his opponents. And if it’s true, then shame on Andy. He’s only 34. Randy is 46 and only has 3 fights left, you don’t see him hand-picking. He fights whoever they put in front of him, even if he stands nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Talent-wise Silva may well be the best in the world. I believe he could probably clean out the entire LHW division and all but a few of the HWs. But the guy’s behavior and political maneuvering is disgraceful. What does he think this is, Boxing?!?
The list
so, your list of guys he’s avoiding consists of 2 guys he finished, 1 guy he’s scheduled to fight, and the 3rd is Sonnen, lol. He’s avoiding Chael Sonnen. Of all the guys he’s beaten, Anderson is shitting his pants at the prospect of fighting Chael Sonnen. Makes perfect sense.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
why not!
Lutter almost beat him. Cote and Leites made him look bad enough that the crowd was booing him. "All the guys he’s beaten = Hendo, Rich, Forrest, and a bunch of nobodies. Anderson hates being on his back and Chael is a better Takedown artist than any of those top guys or any of those nobodies who made Silva look bad. Silva is EXTREMELY gifted, but he’s not invulnerable and he doesn’t have the heart of a champion. He runs away from challenges instead of seeking them out.
Cote and Leites made him look bad??
Anderson was playing with Cote the whole fight. I woulda rather seen Anderson murder him, but he was still feelin’ him out. Cote did nothin in that fight to make Anderson look bad. Cote was just happy to make it to the 3rd – pretty pathetic.
The crowd was booing Leites for just falling on his back. Whats Andy supposed to do? Just fall into his guard for a bjj match? This is MMA, if you want to take it to the ground, earn your takedown. Anderson looked good in that fight, he was hitting Leites with good shots, but he wasn’t stupid enough to just go to the ground.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
shinuff with the truth!!!!!!
" So far, he or his management have expressed unwillingness to fight:
Hendo (no 1 contender at the time)
Nate (no 2 contender)
Vitor (saying they want the fight to be non-title)
Sonnen (new top contender)
(if you’re counting that’s 4 of the top 5 contenders to his belt in the past 2 years)
Machida
Lil Nog"
by Conan the Barbarian on Feb 8, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
EVERYBODY cuts weight.
Your comment is ridiculous. He HAS cleaned out his weight class….which is 185 in case you’ve forgotten. Should GSP be fighting at 185 simply because he walks around at 190+ pounds? Or maybe you would want him to move up to 205. BJ at 170 pounds? Should the UFC kick Lesnar out because he actually weighs more than 265lbs and has to cut to make weight? NO ONE is fighting at their true weight.
Shonuff normally makes intelligent posts but he's clueless about weight cuts and weight divisions
If you can make the weight of a division without going over once or performing below par because of dehydration etc then that’s obviously your weight class. Claiming that Andy is a 205lber because he’s too big for the other MWs and bashing him for being great at cutting weight and still being in shape to not only beat but destroy the other MWs is complete and utter shite.
As for being a fight ducker it’s hard to accuse Andy of ducking people that he’s already beaten and he’s not the only one who refuses to fight his friends, why should he move up in weight and face the people that saved his career (he’d have retired if not for the Nog twins) when he’s already a dominant champion at a lower weight. This was a stupid comment by Soares because it actually gives the likes of Sonnen and the Andy haters on the Internet some ammo to fire at him.
Honestly I’m amazed that people still criticise Fedor, Andy, GSP and BJ, what more do people want from those 4? They’ve dominated their divisions for years and are all world class athletes who are experts in virtually all martial arts necessary for MMA as well as a few that nobody else even bothers to train. It’s great being a fan of any of them and believing that one of them is the best but it’s no wonder that the Internet community has such a bad reputation when we have people continuing to doubt sporting greatness especially when they use petty insults, lies and illogical arguments that just make them look clueless as well as bitter and jealous.
War Andy, Fedor, GSP and BJ, the 4 p4p kings of MMA.
"If I could change my name what would it be? Jesus"
Tito Ortiz (seriously...)
Oh, sorry, Dave
I thought I was watching Ultimate FIGHTING Championships, not THE BIGGEST LOSER weight cutting contest.
I am not clueless about weight classes or cutting, I just think the system is seriously flawed and being abused. The whole purpose of weight classes is to keep fights fair by insuring that they are between guys who are the same size. Turning it into a dehydration contest is exploiting a legal loophole that is in clear violation of the spirit of the law and fairness. Sure I know a lot of fighters do it, but that doesn’t make it right and it corrupts the purity of the sport. If it weren’t for the rediculous structure of the weight classes last Sunday’s fight we’d have seen a 225 lbs Randy-at-his-best vs a 235 lb Coleman-at-his-best. Instead we saw an 205lbs master weight cutter demolish a dehydrated 205 lb shell of a man. When Anderson and Brock pound on guys 30-50 lbs smaller than them, it’s not a fair fight. But because of the weight class structure put in place to insure fairness has been perverted a guy who might be the best FIGHTER in the world at his own weight, but who can’t cut more than 10 lbs is never gonna have a fair shot at a title in the UFC. Just another reason PRIDE was superior. They kept it safe by eliminating the most dangerous moves in fights with a weight disparity, but fighters fought at their actual weight and we all knew what size they really were, not the size they were able to dehydrate to the day before.
shonuff
Nothings perfect. Fighters will never be the same size at fight time, unless they start weigh-ins on fight day. Anderson ALWAYS makes 185 at weigh ins, no issues. Are you gonna say “oh, i know he was 215 two weeks ago, so it’s not fair!” Cry me a river. What a fighter does between fights is his business. As long as he makes weight at fight time. EVERYBODY cuts weight. If you can make the threshold, then your in the division. No questions.
How can you compare Brock to Anderson. Anderson always weighs in the same weight as his opponents. Brock always weighs in 40 lbs heavier, then packs on another 15-20 before the fight.
You think Coleman would’ve been “at his best” if he fought Randy at HW?? Coleman is a shell of his former self, regardless of weight.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Coleman looked sick
I’m saying that fight should’ve happened at HW so they could both fight at their natural weights without dehydration being a factor. But guys that size can’t compete at HW anymore because the current system means they’d have to face 290 lb monsters like Lesnar.
Randy would have won that fight no matter where it took place (unless the “where” is 1996). But it would have been a much more interesting fight at their full weight.
Whose bigger???
Anderson silva is the biggest MW in the world??? other than forrest, everyone he’s ever beaten was smaller than him!!! no shit he should be winning all those. when 2 highly trained and very technical pro’s are going at it, what does the great bas rutten say, “when everything else is pretty much equal, the bigger man will win”!!! it’s just physics
ha ha ha ha
Laughing more @ ppl who think vitor beats Andy.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 9, 2010 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
WTF
its funny how you guys are already talking about andersons next fight, i cant wait when vitor kicks his ass……p.s. this is for james s. lol counterstrikes ur a funny guy, do me a favor look up vitor’s boxing video on youtube, lol counterstrikes….this guy.
Retract
Ill give you the wins over franklin and hendo, i think those were solid wins but not anymore impressive as GSP beating Penn, Alves, Fitch etc, or Penn beating Diego, Florian or meh stevenson. As for Franklin, anyone who thinks hes a top 5 light Heavy, give me a break dude, hes becoming a coin flip fighter like jardine, win loss, win, loss. he s not impressive at all.. as for overrated, i think Anderson is one of if not (depending after Vitor and the next runner up MIddleweight fight) the best fighter in the Middleweight division,, Im saying that as one of the best P4P,, im saying he 100% is overrated!! I easily have a list of Fedor, GSP, Penn (or Shogun if he can beat Machida AGAIN) then Andersons name gets thrown in there. I just dont respect how he fights to be honest,, hes a counterpuncher,, he should’ve been able to beat cote earlier on in that fighter,, when a guy falls to the ground like leites he should have been open to taking top position and beating him down,, i was at that fight and he looked great when he went on him in the 4th round,, he was dominating,, the difference between anderson and true P4P fighters is that GSP, Penn and Fedor, whereever the fight is they go, GSP will beat you on your feet and ground, same with penn,, Fedor is in a whole different league,, if your a submission guy he ll submit you if you knock out guys he ll knock you out,, anderson is a counterpuncher,, and eventually someone will fight him like Rampage did to chuck,, he wont do anything in the fight until he punches first and boom it ll be over.. Anderson is the best middleweight NOT the best P4P fighter,, thats all im saying,,
agree again jackel
Anderson is the same size as Fedor, yet his career is built on beating up Middleweights. He has no business on the P4P list till he’s at least cleaned out the LHW division.
why?
All the mw’s are the same size as fedor basically. You could make the argument that all the guys anderson fights are faster than the guys fedor fights. bigger doesn’t mean better. Look at tito’s head for instance.
brilliant, James!
Since you think weight isn’t a factor and the inverse proportion of speed to weight makes it all fair, lets just have Brock fight BJ to determine who’s the P4P best.
You miss the whole point of what P4P is about. It means who is the most dominant against guys their own size and who would therefore be the best if everyone were the same size. It’s always just fanciful speculation. But to qualify, a fighter should AT LEAST be able to beat up all the best guys his own size. Anderson hasn’t done anything of the sort yet.
BJ has beaten up almost every top fighter between 155 and 175
GSP has beaten up almost every noteworthy fighter between 160 and 195
Fedor has beaten up most of the top guys between 200 and 300 lbs
Anderson weighs 225 but has only fought 3 noteworthy guys over 200 lbs and holds a title whose limit is 40 lbs beneath his actual size.
Never said weight is not a factor
Just comparing 2 fighters close in size Andy and Fedor. Brock vs bj would obviously be a rediculous mis match. I’ve never read anything that stated Andy pulls from 225, but have seen him state 210 and would bulk up to 220 if ever able to fight fedor. Mardquardt pulls from around 210, Franklin did the same, sonnen, and belfort as well. Basically all mw’ s walk around at 200 plus. Anderson is not some weight pulling phenom. It’s common practice. My thoughts in p4p is that it is a time wasting argument. I think fedor bj and Gsp are some of the best out there, but so is Anderson. I was basically stating that your opinion on Anderson fighting smaller guys is as valid as an opinionof fedor fighting slower bigger guys. The point is not worth arguing.
by James S. on Feb 9, 2010 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Franklin was the champ when he smoked him. How was he not ranked top 5 in his own division?
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
BTW Lutter took him down and did quite well against Anderson
so yeah i think sonnen has a shot at taking him down,, if he can run at him, absorb a couple of shots,, cage him and take him down, yeah its possible,, and i know this is stupid, premature and all that but if GSP and Anderson ever fight,, GSP will will will WIN THAT FIGHT!!
Does no one remember Dan henderson getting screwed over and not getting a title shot?
So Chael could get screwed too.
Dan Henderson is a whiner
Please Please Please explain to me when Henderson got screwed.
Do you mean when he entered the UFC and got back to back title shots??
he then beats Franklin by split decision and ko’s Bisping and wants a 3rd title shot?
Marquardt (after his 1 title shot): subbed Horn, got screwed by the ref against Leites, finished Kampman, Gouveia and Maia.
Why not do Nate against Hendo?? Nope. Cry baby has to go beat up Shields for a title.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Someone needs a Chill Pill.
Go take a walk and calm down man.
But if i remember right, there was stuff being said that the two Coaches of US vs. UK would get a title shot..?
And he KO’d the shit out of Bisping at UFC 100 “the biggest UFC PPV” In front of millions, the UFC loves giving fighters that pull in big ratings better treatment.
So why not give him the shot?
so true mike, lets not forget that dana promised him that shot also.
these anderson/soars nuthuggers like to act as if the title shot idea for hendo came out of nowhere. as soon as hendo was promised that fight, anderson had soars get on the phone to dana. these are just the facts people.
by Conan the Barbarian on Feb 8, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Dana shouldn't be making promises he can't keep
you’re right in that regard. He says that to sell fights. I still would’ve rather seen nate-Hendo for the #1 contender. That woulda been a crazy match-up.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
I think it's pretty obvious now that Hendo would've killed Nate
Hendo’s a world class wrestler with brutal KO power. If he got Nate on his back like Sonnen did, the fight ends right there.
Lutter is a submission guy
and anderson had him in a triangle. i can’t remember if lutter tapped from the triangle or strikes. But just making a point to your point about pound for pounds.
Ed soars is a tool. I think he's afraid of Sonnen after Sonnen badly outwrestled nate
Anderson has solid Jits but I think lutter would own him on the ground, he lost that fight after getting rocked with an up kick. Did the same thing to hendo, rocked him and that allowed anderson to sink in that rear naked choke. Am I the only one here who was impressed by sonnens last 2 wins?. He completely dominated two top 5 guys. By the way I don’t like sonnen and wanted nate to viciously ko him and was very disappointed how the fight went. MMA is kind of like rock, paper, scissors…Anderson’s worst nighmare is a wickedly relentless wrestler with vicious ground and pound and good sub defense. Sonnens worst nightmare is someone wickedly good off there back like Maia, you DON’T want to take maia down, anderson you have to, unless victor proves me wrong. As much as I hate to admit it, sonnen totally dominated nate with his style, of all the fights on the card, I thought that one was a lock. IMO the best guy to fight anderson right now is Sonnen, plain and simple. If Silva beats victor and sonnen manages not to get stopped in 5 rounds by anderson, Sonnen should be the winner with his takedowns. If Maia gets to fight sonnen again he will have the belt like he wanted but not for long… see rock,paper,scissors ;P.
is ed serious
does he honestly think that a guy who just got knocked out one fight ago and won his most recent fight by a boring decission should fight for number 1 contender hell no. Chael beat the number one contender convinciingly therefor he deserves the shot at the title. Ed is just hating one chael because someone is speaking there mind about his number one cash cab.
ED Soares
is as sore about his champion fighting as herpes
This is all pointless
Vitor is the only one whose been mentioned that has a chance of beating AS. Frankly I don’t think any of these guys would have a prayer except for vitor’s punchers chance. IF AS beats Vitor easily he just needs to move up a weight class and find someone who can challenge him.
you're oversimplifying
I think Vitor is a much better fighter than Sonnen, but I think Sonnen has a better chance against Anderson. You have to think about strenghts and weaknesses. Vitor is strongest at Anderson’s strongest point. They both do the same thing very well, but Andy does it better. Sonnen is strongest at Anderson’s weakest point (and vice versa) and has shown an ability to take the fight into his world. I’m not saying I think Sonnen will win, but that he’s got a better chance than Vitor or anyone else right now.
anderson only wants safe fights at MW, he is mainly interested in legacy fights at higher wieght classes. he is a middle wieght ducking machine.
YOU GUYS ACT LIKE ED SOARS SAYS THIS SHIT WITHOuT ANDERSON’S APPROVAL. HE PULLED THE SAME SHIT WITH HENDO. CLEARLY, ANDERSON DOES NOT WANT TO FIGHT WRESTLERS.
by Conan the Barbarian on Feb 8, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions
FFS, stop being ignorant!
1. We dont like Soares, none of us! But some of us kind of agree with the idea! Or just the fact that Sonnen needs 1 more win, preferably over a BJJ-grappler to show that he is the nr 1 contender.
2. He beat Hendo! Nothing would change in a rematch. Its not like Hendo is evolving as a fighter?
3. Sonnen WILL probably get his shot at Anderson regardless of Soares comments, if AS can get past Vitor which is the only true competetive matchup for AS, and he WILL get tooled and rediculed BAD standing and/or the ground.
4. What the fuck will you guys say then? He’s being fed wrestlers? He’s ducking BJJ guys? He cant handle stikers? He’s too big for his weightclass. (someone wrote it above. Now thats some dumb funny shit) Or maybe he is.. i dont know… ducking Brock? Whats more to say?
by Zlatan, My Hero on Feb 9, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Overrated or not...
Your manager shouldn’t be playing matchmaker and say who should be fighting whom. The only thing a manager/fighter should be saying is “we’ll fight whoever they put in front of us.”
Soares again....
Talking about who does and does not deserve a title shot.
Look, Sonnen lost to Maia back then, but we obviously see a big improving in Sonnen’s game. He beat Miller, who people thought would run through Sonnen. Sonnen was an underdog. Then he fights Okami, where he was a huge underdog. When signed to fight Marquardt, people underestimated him again, saying Marquardt is on another level this and that.
Does Sonnen deserve a titleshot? Yes! He does! Why not? Yushin Okami( former #1 contender), Marquardt( didn’t have to fight Sonnen, would’ve gotten a titleshot). Enough said.
Maia on another hand, looked impressive in his last fight. However, he has only one win after his loss, Sonnen has 3 wins.
I don’t think the UFC wants Sonnen vs Silva. They’ll give him Maia imo. Just so he can not get a titleshot, but the rematch will be a different story.
Hope Chael has some words for Soares
Can’t stand his comments about who should be fighting to get to Anderson. He just needs to shut up and let the UFC decide who fights who.
Wuts next soares? N8 & chael need a rematch b4 they get a shot?
GTFO! Can’t w8 for vitor silva! Vitors boxing & hand speed is all over AS! U guys get ready for a new MW champ. Vitor duznt get credit for his chin either , he’s never been ko’d against heavy handed mofos at 205 & bigger
by d*locc on Feb 9, 2010 2:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah, but Andy is faster than Vitor
faster hands, better timing, longer reach, more accurate.
Too bad Vitor seems to have forgotten his BJJ. At age 20, he was the #2 JiuJitsu guy in the world., but in MMA he’s only ever used it for defense.
I don't see what the problem is
Anderson fights Chael first for the title and Maia gets the winner- assuming he wins his next fight.
exactly!!!
but no…because that might risk Silva losing the title and Dana can’t take that risk because he’s been running off at the mouth for years about Anderson being P4P best instead of Fedor. If Fedor were in the UFC, Dana might stop protecting Silva, but as long as a competing promotion holds the best fighter in the world, Dana has to keep Silva on that pedestal.
I think ed soares should shut his pie hole. What a tard, according to him nobody deserves to fight anderson or machida. I don’t know why he is looking so far ahead, vitor is going to take andersons head off anyway.
by Ultimate Fighter on Feb 9, 2010 3:41 AM EST reply actions
Dana Should Feed Anderson Cans and Bums Unless He Agrees To Try and Take LHW Title
by Ultimate Fighter on Feb 9, 2010 3:51 AM EST reply actions
um...that's what he's been doing
That’s they way, uh-huh, uh-huh, he likes it (Andy), uh-huh, uh-huh.
Andy has no interest whatsoever in challenging himself. He only takes fights where he feels the opponent has nothing to threaten him with.
uhhh, vitor a can or bum?? you are joking right
by Ultimate Fighter on Feb 9, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Andy did his best to duck Vitor
First Soares said Vitor had to fight a few more MWs before he deserved a shot. Then Soares said he wasn’t sure Vitor could make weight, so he thought Dana should make this a non-title fight. Dana finally put his foot down and made Andy put up or shut up.
and don't forget the elbow
When Dana said Dan was “absolutely next in line for a shot at Anderson’s belt,” Soares said Anderson had an elbow injury and would be off the rest of the year and Hendo should have to fight Nate first. Dana caved and then Hendo’s contract expired and suddenly Anderson announces that he’s “200%” and was never injured and wants to fight Frank Mir. Dana say’s No to the Mir fight and Vitor KO’s Rich and suddenly Anderson’s elbow is magically injured and needs surgery (no doubt hoping the time would force Dana to match Vitor with Nate…which almost worked. The guy’s become a total premadonna!
I agree
with Soares comments. It makes sence to do it that way after all Maia defeated Sonnen with ease, that being said I’d quite happily watch Silva vs Sonnen followed be Silva vs Maia just queue them up. Otherwise the division will be cleaned out quicker than need be.
Ryo chonan beat anderson, did they ever rematch??? stupid philosophy
by Ultimate Fighter on Feb 9, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
only because by that point Anderson had moved up.
not a stupid point at all because there hasn’t been that much time passed since the Maia vs Sonnen fight and they are both still fighting in the same division.
I would be delighted...
if Ed Soares cut the matchmaking out for 10 seconds. We get it…nobody is good enough to fight your boy. If Fedor Emelianenko walked through the door and wanted to fight Silva, Soares would want him to fight Yushin Okami first.
I don’t care what Sonnen did in his first three UFC fights, he has three dominating wins over Okami, Miller and Marquardt in his last three fights. I’m perfectly fine with him getting a shot…he has a better shot against Silva than Maia does. I really don’t feel like Silva/Leites II…
MMAMoneyLine
what a f'in joke he is
no wonder his fighter is the most hated and shittiest draw in the UFC. Once Belfort knocks his block off this will all be over. Those saying Belfort will come out throwing bombs like its ’98 have no clue how much he has evolved as a fighter.
Shut up Soares
Let’s not forget Anderson got a title shot beating CHRIS LEBEN. Now he wants any challenger to clean out the division himself before getting to fight for the title. Sonnen deserves the shot.
Soares keeps forgetting
That Anderson Silva got his title shot after only 1 win in the UFC, against Chris frakkin Leben!, even though Silva’d lost 2 of his last 5 fights before coming to UFC.
So a win against washout Leben earns Andy a shot at the belt, but Sonnen’s wins against TOP 5 Okami and Nate isn’t worthy, and Vitor’s win over former champ Franklin isn’t worthy, and Hendo’s 3 wins (and legendary career) weren’t worthy.
dangit pancakehead beat me to the punch!
I gotta stop taking potty breaks in the middle of typing a post.
I was informed that the winner of Nate vs Sonnen gets a title shot. That’s why I watched UFC 109. Soares and Silva need to worry about Vitor first and then need to defend the belt against whoever as that is what a champion does. If the competition is too easy then move up to LHW and commit to that division. Oh I forgot, he won’t fight Machida.
Soares, just get your fighter ready...
Doesn’t everyone always (Ed Soares included) say, ’We’ll fight anyone that the UFC puts in front of us’? Well, they just put Chael Sonnen in front of you.
Now, he’s complaining or at least trying to direct who should be put in front of Anderson. Seems like a little hypocrisy to me.
I say, take the fight and punish Chael to prove your point.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think Anderson is scared to fight anyone. He may be nervous every time he steps in the ring, naturally. I still say Anderson takes this fight easily (anything can happen though). But it seems like a contradiction whenever Soares says that the lineup should be in a particular order – in this case by entitlement.
It just sounds like this to me:
“We can beat anyone. We’ll fight anyone that the UFC puts in front of us…. except that guy!”
"or that one....or that one...or that one"
…or wrestlers…or our friends…or our training partners…or brazillians…or bullies…or anybody we’ve ever had coffee with…
Ok, let us clarify. When we say “anyone the UFC puts in front of us,” what we mean is “Frank Mir”…because we kinda have a crush on him and he poses no threat to us and we know you’ll never make that match in a million years, but it makes us look good to call out a former HW champ.
Business Decision
You guys also can’t ignore the business side of the matchups. Regardless of whether Sonnen deserves a title shot, you can’t say that this is the best matchup in terms of marketing.
Ed said it in his quote; walk down the street and how many people know Sonnen? You tell me which fight would be the biggest draw:
-Silva vs Sonnen? Maia? or Mir?
If Silva knows he can probably destroy Sonnen and Maia, why would he take the fight if it won’t even be a good payout.
Ed is a manager first and foremost and he’s looking for the best matchup for his fighter, taking into ALL things into account, and that includes money.
So you would say that Sonnen is the biggest draw now?
I’m not trying to say that in a mocking way, but just wanted to confirm that’s what you’re saying.
no no just saying he is a big name now
if Silva beats Belfort a matchup with Sonnen wouldnt have people saying now that he is undeserving. I just feel he would fair better than Maia. Maia is talented but style wise would just be another victim.
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