UFC Quick Quote: James Toney refuses MMA contract because 'Dana White is a ho'
by Jesse Holland on Feb 24, 2010 12:53 AM EST
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"Dana White is a straight up ho! He makes me a 5-fight offer for chump change and said I can't box anymore if I accept it. He must have lost his damn mind. I'm the best of both worlds. Anyone in either sport that wants to come see me, we can do this."
41-year-old NABO heavyweight boxing champion James "Lights Out" Toney (72-6-3, 44 KOs) goes off on a tangent to our amigos over at FightHype.com, blaming UFC President Dana White for an offer that basically amounts to "chump change" over the course of five fights. Perhaps White gave him an offer that was directly proportionate to his skills in mixed martial arts? Toney has been extremely vocal about getting his shot inside the Octagon as of late, probably after watching Ray Mercer put Tim Sylvia on queer street last year in Alabama and then deciding it was time to prove his pugilistic power is more than enough to squash a former YouTube star and some past-their prime headliners. But even if he does, would it warrant the multi-million dollar payday he's looking for?
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I hope he sticks around
his video blogs are damn hilarious, plus that sh*t that he came out with on sports soup. That was f*cking funny. I don’t think he wanted it to be, but it was.
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 4:06 AM EST up reply actions
He obviously doesnt want to fight
he was just looking for a payday
by PHISH NATION on Feb 24, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
toney would KO liddell, kimbo, kongo, n buentello all in the 1st round!!! in fact i’d bet he’d KO anyone in the ufc willing to stand and trade with him at HW or LHW. talk about his lack of ground game, lol, liddell sure utilizes it doesn’t he?! toney can’t be anymore a fish out of water on the ground as Kongo is! there are some interesting fights for toney in the ufc, and at 41 yrs old himself, he can call out the liddell’s that are past their prime’s he wants b/c toney is past his prime
No he wouldn't
because they wouldnt stand with him… Chuck would easily take him down and pound him out in the first minute of the fight… anyone with even below average wrestling would do the same… either that or just kick the hell out of his legs until he quits
by PHISH NATION on Feb 24, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
anyone who calls out Dana for what he is, is cool in my books.
Lol but I guess you can’t say that on an Mma site. This will be an anti boxing thread with Dana supporters everywhere. I been through the ‘Dana pays more than enough’ garbage many times.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 1:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
James Tony...
is a joke! Every fight fan knows he’d get killed in the cage. He’s a past his prime boxer who was never even held the real HW title but think he’ll do work in MMA!
wouldnt say he would get killed in a cage he does has 72 wins man thats an impressive number in any sport
by randy murders on Feb 24, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
He's a straight-up boxer, and that's it.
As impressive as 72 wins might be, he’s still only a boxer. All his opponent would need to do is throw a punch to setup a double-leg takedown, and it’s all over.
by MMACrossfire on Feb 24, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
No randy
he has ZERO wins in MMA and thats all that matters… Jordan didnt go into baseball saying he scored 50 points a bunch of times, so he must be able to hit a curveball. Toney will get taken down and pounded or choked out in the first round. Kimbo even takes him down and beats on him for the win!!
by PHISH NATION on Feb 24, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
^ + 100x's
Absolutely…..if you want more proof, watch Charles Barkley golf.
Hey - who cuts your hair?
Cheech Marin - Up in Smoke
by hairybumcrack on Feb 24, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
What does he expect?
He wants to get paid a crazy amount of cash to go in the octagon 5 times and get taken down by some of the best wrestlers in the HW division and G&P’d. Although it would be entertaining to see a loud mouth overrated boxer get his ass kicked. Not worth the money for the ufc. Spend the money on some actual talent!
wait a second, dude calls out dana white and gets an offer, he learns its put up or shutup so he calls it a shitty contract…
now i see this as a bitching out move because we all know dana pays pretty good compared to strikeforce, but at the sametime toney being the legend he is should have made his money can can take these fights for the probable 60k he was offered (just an assumption on money) and fight like he said he wanted to do..
by randy murders on Feb 24, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
I can't believe I'm about to write this but . . .
. . . Kimbo Slice is younger and a far better and more well-rounded MMA fighter than Toney, and he only got a contract worth 25K per fight.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Kimbo would lose
The guy is scared inside the ring……period.
Hey - who cuts your hair?
Cheech Marin - Up in Smoke
by hairybumcrack on Feb 24, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Once Toney connects
it’s lights out for Kimbo.
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Feb 24, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dana
I love MMA, but Dana is the Don King of MMA, the cancer if you will. Dana’s ego and his greed for money is the problem. He lies every day to the press to bump up profits.
agreed Costello
Realistically what was Dana thinking? How many former boxers have chose Mma? That were millionaires. Not small up and comers. Mercer? Lol.
Obviously this guy isn’t taking ANYTHING less than 250k a fight. Probs more. So the real question is/was:
Why bother in the 1st place?
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 8:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Toney's expectations are insanely unrealistic.
Seriously. Who is James Toney? He’s a has been boxer. Period. For him to believe he can walk into a cage or a ring and do even halfway decently is comical at best and tragic (for him) at worst. Imagine Toney against — searching data banks — Bret Rogers. “And Bret Rogers defeats the puddle formerly known as James Toney!”
by MMACrossfire on Feb 24, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
ya 72 - 6 is awful! Kimbo is the TRUE definition of MMA.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is a reason Toney is talking
He ain’t worth shit in boxing anymore and needs to get himself back in the public eye somehow to make himself relevant again so he can cash in on another couple big pay days/
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Worby - get a clue.
I can’t stand all these UFC haters. Talkin shit about Dana White all the time. It’s easy to hate the guy makin’ all the money, but if it weren’t for him MMA would be nowhere, plain and simple. He brings us the best fights, and we still hate on him. He doesn’t hide behind the scenes and only talks through press releases, he walks through the media and answers questions, he attends all the weigh-ins, greets fans, and you still call him the Don King? Shut up!
If Dana where to sign this bum, everyone would be up in arms yelling “see i told you, all Dana cares about is money, he doesnt care about the real MMA fighters”.
How would you like it if you train mma, then Toney comes in and makes more money than you? Would you like your boss?
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
by Two_Words on Feb 24, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you shut up
Nice argument pal. I’m not saying he should sign toney. I didn’t say that anywhere. Copy n paste where I did. I simply said Dana had to know this guy wasn’t gonna take 40 or 50k a fight, so why offer it to him? Why bother getting a loud mouth like toney started? And before you answer me:
Shut up and get a clue.
Makes sense hey? Fuck off buddy.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny
He can’t copy where you said that but at the same time you can’t copy and paste where he accusses you of saying Dana should sign him?
by holdin_ropes on Feb 24, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we're buddies? how nice.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Costello
Don King of MMA? lol. The Big Bad UFC Machine is out to get you!! oooooh
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Costello
why would Dana pay a guy a bunch of money who sucks? Toney is worse than Kimbo, mark my words! No one will stand with him, everyone will be able to take him down, and his fight would be boring as hell. Why would Dana (and his supposed ego) pay Toney to come in and get smashed???
by PHISH NATION on Feb 24, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
ROFL
ROFL!
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Feb 24, 2010 1:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
How bad can it be for the UFC?
They signed kimbo slice after he sunk elite Xc. Had a terrible fight on TUF. A horible fight vs. Houston Alexander . Toney never been ko’d in almost 80 fights
by d*locc on Feb 24, 2010 4:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
... and he's 41 with no MMA experience.
And besides, which weight class would he fight in? He’s probably a natural welterweight (if he could lose the extra chub), but would likely fight at middleweight where he’d get absolutely killed by even the lowest dude in the division.
by MMACrossfire on Feb 24, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Dana white is an asshole
im tired of dana.him and his bald head
"When are people going to realize that G.S.P is half man half amazing!!!"
Peter Merino(myself)...no im not famous but my quote was published on the ufc website
Then stop watching UFC!
You would probably still be watching your pokemons if it wasn’t for him, Boy!
Btw, you’re not allowed to stream it either. :P
I really don’t see why some of you hate him so much. They put on a great show every month so I see nothing to hate.
Just because you don't like Dana doesn't mean you can't watch UFC
Dana is a classless, money grabber who lies to fans and basically says whatever suits him at the time. I also hate when guys say we should all bend over for Dana because he puts on good fights…so what? Don King put on some pretty good fights too, doesn’t make him a great guy. Also, we pay for this stuff, it’s not like he puts on fights as a favour for us. We’re paying customers and we have the right to say whatever the f*ck we like. I watch the UFC for the fighters not for Dana and his crap.
I just don’t like the way he conducts himself, the way he talks about his competitors “strikefarce” “fedor is a joke”, the cut throat way he treats the fighters at times, for example the way he turned on Hendo when he left, he puts peoples dirty laundry out at press conferences like when he released text messages that Rampage had sent him. honestly, he comes across like a spiteful, selfish, ego maniac. Obviously if I was an MMA journalist then I wouldn’t write that, because I’d never be allowed into another UFC event again, but I bet there are plenty in the industry who feel the same.
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 5:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Great post SFK....
Totally agree, some of your post in the past including this one imo are TRUTH!! Well said.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
thanks man
This is probably a bit more controversial than usual and I’m sure some fanboys will have something to say, but I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that way.
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 5:52 AM EST up reply actions
SFK made a point...
… nice comment, man; You accept it or not, Dana and King are important each one on his own field but we don’t need to love these guys. It’s their job. Give me Joe Silva’s job and I will provide fantastic cards.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
by Eduardo Cruz on Feb 24, 2010 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
Give me Joe Silva's job
and JDS would probably be alot closer to the title by now, or at least the interim or something!! Hell.. a cookie, a pat on the freakin’ back!!! not fighting Gonzaga who basically won his last fight via soccer kick to the nuts and got KO’d in the one before that. Where as JDS is undefeated in the UFC and has finished every opponent they’ve given him. Plus Werdum, Struve, Cro Cop and Yvel is a way tougher set of fighters to finish than, Christian wellisch, Neil Wain and GG. Carwin and JDS should trade places!!!
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
Go for three in a row Bro!!
SPk SPK SPK!…lol
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
thanks
I’m in quite a ranty mood today, just need to find one more thing to rant about! lol
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions
JDS is fighting Gonzaga b/c
All the other top HW’s were already scheduled. So he could sit on the sidelines and make no money, or take a fight against Gonzaga so he can get paid. These guys fight to live, they gotta stay active.
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 24, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yer but my problem is that relative to Junior's achievements in the UFC
Carwin’s are minimal. My point was that JDS should be one of the guys that’s tied up with stuff
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think he will be in the future
This particular case just happened to occur b/c of timing. I don’t think they’re trying to dis JDS or anything. If he gets past Gonzaga he will def have a top fight.
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 24, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
@SPK - What does that have to do with James Toney? Big fat Nada.
So you bellyache and rant about evil Dana White. Your comment has zero to do with the subject at hand. James Toney would get KILLED by the least of the UFC’s fighters. Name the division! It doesn’t matter. BJ Penn would slaughter him.
by MMACrossfire on Feb 24, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
the subject actually does involve both Dana and toney
So his point is proper. We’re talking about if he would be of any value to the ufc for what they would pay. He was in talks with Dana who is the ho making the offer so, yes it is on topic.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 8:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was replying to Natas999
he said if you don’t like Dana don’t watch UFC, I replied to that. That’s how these things work. I’m sorry if I confused you. :p
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
You guys say that you hate the political side of the UFC but’ that’s all you guys focus on. It’s a shame really. Learn to ignore and focus on the fights.
Also, if it wasn’t for Dana, UFC wouldn’t be around right now and MMA wouldn’t be as popular in America. Thanks to them, lower end shows like strikeforce get to sign some great TV deals.
Hating Dana for hating Dan would be the same if I hated you for hating Dana. :P
I would hate Dana only if the UFC started dying.
Remember, just enjoy the fights. :D
I like the DOn King comparison SFK.
Don King is scum…
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Feb 24, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
this guy is a punch drunk geezer. i don’t understand why white would even talk to him.
by salt and battery on Feb 24, 2010 1:33 AM EST reply actions
Or offer him a contract
And he talks about other promotions putting on freakshows, lol.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
He's stick him on the undercard, period.
That’s where Toney would start. The only people who’d see it would be those at the live event. I imagine Toney felt like it was slap in the face. “But I’m James Toney, dog!” Yawn.
by MMACrossfire on Feb 24, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
youre delusional if you think dana would put toney on the undercard if he signed him
he’d probably be the fuckin main event, if nothing else just so he could get beaten badly i front of a huge audience
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.
AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH
So...
So your argument is that he must suck because you are ignorant…..his ability is in no way linked to your lack of knowledge.
www.colossaldouchebag.com
To be fair...
I know him and him coming to the UFC is a joke and would hurt the company. Being able to box in a boxing match is one thing but having to worry about every other style as well… it’d be fun to watch at least! lol
Toney would Mercer Kimbo
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Its lose lose for the UFC
If this guy destroys MMA fighters, then MMA loses its legitimacy in terms of being on the same competitive plane as boxing. If he loses, then no one cares who he is. Thats a big wager considering whats at stake. It was the same thing when roy jones jr was considering the jump.
How would he "destroy MMA fighters?"
Unless he has killer takedown defense, the guy is toast from his first pro fight. Or, unless they feed him another washed up boxer.
by MMACrossfire on Feb 24, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
LOL GOD I FN HATE THAT KIMBO IS IN THE UFC!!!
Dana is such a douche for letting that happen! It was at the moment that I knew Dana was in it for the money……………AND ONLY MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who the...
fuck cares about tonney crossing over anyway he would get takken down and punished and his draw wouldnt amount to shit……. go watch the iterview were tonney and dana are discussing this in a back room and dana asked him if he knows how to check kicks..its amazing what his respose is…but anyway fuck tonney he was great up untill 5 years ago in BOXING but would never do anything in mma…and i would say kimbo would whip his ass with a lil kimboplex and a gogoplata from the top
Shane Cawin....the next UFC HW champ....Mir......another puffy face with an added broken jaw....Brock you're next
Kimbo can't check kicks either
And if he attempted to stand for any amount of time would get KTFO.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson
Rampage can't fing check kicks....
And he was the champ. BTW, how did this get turned into a kimbo thread?
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 24, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
cause ppl were slamming toney for his lack of Mma experience
…I was just letting them know that you don’t need any to me in the ufc and make coin. Or other organizations.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Toney laughing at this offer shows
you that Mixed Martial Artists are not making what they should be. Any young athlete who starts training boxing is never going to move to MMA when there is so much to be made in boxing. Only if he fails there will he turn to MMA.
90% of posters on these forums think the fighters are paid properly
Its beyond me how they think this. But usually the counter argument is “Throw me in there, I’ll fight for 20k”.
Their point/argument really just proves mine. Ah ha
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 8:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
90% of posters on these forums think the fighters are paid properly
I am one of the 90%. The reason being that no one pays more, so how can they be underpaid? Each fighter has made a conscious decision to accept the pay they are given for the opportunity to make GSP, BJ, Lesnar money. If the UFC offered even less, do you think these guys would still sign? Fuck yes. They choose this for the opportunity at millions.
If you are going to bitch about someone being underpaid, bitch about how much teachers and fireman make. Their jobs actually contribute something to society. These guys are just entertainers. Very tough, hardworking entertainers that I enjoy watching beat the hell out of each other for only $55 a pop, but nonetheless, entertainers.
its so damn obvious
than anybody in the world is paid what he is worth.
ulf Murphy
Do cops have t shirts of themselves that I can buy? Does Ms. Thompson who teaches grade 4 in LA have a huge fan following? Do we pay 50.00 to watch either of them on PPV? No. So why the fuck would I bitch about their pay?
“their entertainers”.
Oh so we can’t pay them accordingly then?
“the ufc pays the most”.
As they should, they make more the 5x minimum what strikeforce makes. How does SF manage to pay so closely to UFC when they make so much less and haven’t even had near the streak of success UFC has?
Never seen you round’ here, maybe you will stick around to explain yourself.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
one more thing....
I forgot to address your statement regarding the fact that the fighters still sign:
Of course they still fucking sign, where else are they gonna go? Just because there isn’t another organization that’s big enough to pay properly like the UFC could, doesn’t mean these fighters wouldn’t go there if there was.
These guys are MMAist’s, they can’t just go do something else cause the pay isn’t that great. That’s why you see guys use MMA as a way to get their foot in the door of being a minor celebrity, just to leave after to try modelling, acting, boxing etc.*
*see rampage, heurta, Cung Li, couture, Ortiz, herring, and more for proof.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As ULFmurphy said it's called the Free Market Principle
The UFC is a business, and obviously they want to make the most money they can off of us, the consumers. Would we buy a PPV for $100? Maybe us hardcore fans would, but the average Joe probably wouldn’t. The UFC has an obligation to its investors to pay the fighters the LEAST AMOUNT of money they will accept. Yes, it sucks, but that’s business dude.
wallyballz
Thank you for presenting your view in a civil and educated manner. I see exactly where you’re coming from and you’re very correct. As you said it just sucks. But yes, they pay as low as they can get away with. SF is helping to slowly change that and I still hold my hopes that the fighters will eventually earn their worths.
And I’m not referring to the GSP’s and Brocks of Mma when I say underpaid. Though I do still believe there’s room for improvement there as well.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats why SF only has a few show a year with the big names
They need to do well otherwise they will lose money. Fact is 0% of the posters have any facts on what the UFC makes and what the true contracts of what fighters make all they see is what is posted after fights and most fighters get paid more than what that tells us. So please shut up about what you think they should pay becayse you have no clue. Why isn’t James boxing if boxing pays more?
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
fuck off puck head
How do you figure you have the right to bitch but I don’t? Its my opinion, if you don’t like it debate with me or skim past my post. Both are simple. Telling me to shut up accomplishes nothing. Do you think I will oblige?
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because you clearly have no clue and sound ignorant dw
I’m trying to help you out dw, you sound like a fool talking about something you have no idea about.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
i dont need your help.
Ever. Don’t forget that. Ever.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bisbing is going to try and steal a page out of Franklins book and keep his distance but
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
LOL you guys are funny...
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Feb 24, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Oh so we can’t pay them accordingly then?
We’re not paying shit, the UFC is. How do you, a non-owner of the UFC, determine what these guys should be paid? Did the fighters put up the $42 million the Fertitta’s and DW lost to get this organization off the ground? Did the fighters work 80-100 hour weeks to make the UFC something? Did the fighters get unbelieveable lucky that Pride decided to gain ties to the Yakuza and fall off the face of the planet?
The fighters are are paid contractors, nothing more. If they could get paid more, they would, but they can’t. They did not take the business risk to create this organization and should not reap in the so-called windfall profits just because they fight well. That’s crazy. Please take at least one business/finance class in your life to understand free market principle and risk/reward models (not joking ot busting balls). Because fi you don’t, when you start your cagefighting promotion, I’m going to come fight for you since the fighters deserve more then the owners.
Oh wait…Affliction and Elite XC already did that. How’d that fucking work out?
by Ulf Murphy on Feb 24, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL well said Murphy
The fact is the UFC has the most talent period and thats not because they pay their fighters shit. Some think they know everything thow and like typical WWF fans think the boss is the bad guy no matter what LOL. It’s sad listening to fans think they know what the UFC should do with their money.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Never seen you round’ here, maybe you will stick around to explain yourself.
Used to post at BE, but their asses get tighter everyday. I enjoy the banter here better, but just started posting.
well welcome to mania from me
So long as you’re respectfully arguing with me I will show you the same dignity. Forgive me for any feeling of attack I may have aimed your way, its just a lot of new names appear on here say something senseless then take off after throwing a few “fuck you loser” lines at you.
I still disagree, but at least you present your case with a chance for rebuttal.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and in response to me getting a marketting degree
…if I have to do that to voice an opinion on underpaying of fighters, I guess you’d have to become a professional cage fighter before you can inform me that they are paid just fine. No?
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didn’t say a degree, and especially not marketing, but understanding why the fighters are willing to sign for that would help you better understand why people in China make $2 a day and cagefighters make $6k their first fight.
I didn’t want to offend with the “take a class” comment, but I believe everyone should understand business in this life. Otherwise, you are just a mark.
Thanks dude.
I will always be respectful, until notified otherwise. That happens when raised in a military family.
I just think you need to look at it from a different point of view, the owners. Whether it is right or not, is not for me to decide. That is up to the fighters and the owners. I can only opine.
If you are going to bitch about someone being underpaid, bitch about how much teachers and fireman make. Their jobs actually contribute something to society. These guys are just entertainers. Very tough, hardworking entertainers that I enjoy watching beat the hell out of each other for only $55 a pop, but nonetheless, entertainers. <—- yeah man DAniel WTF whinging about fighters being umderpaid fuck man get a life loser
sexyama
Why the fuck would I come on a MMA site and bitch about teachers being underpaid you fucking moron? Perhaps before you tell me to get a life, at least read my posts above explaining my reasonings behind my point of view, and then if you could possibly dispute with me without reducing yourself to sounding like a ruh’tard, I’d show you some respect as well.
Fuckin loser.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
also sexyama
Its a good thing you copy and pasted 95% of your post from someone else, because out of your own 15 words 3 are misspelled. I guess for someone of your intellect 4 out of 5 isn’t too bad.
Inbred. Go fuck your sister while your dad records it.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
lol ulf im a fan or yours already
Even if I hate your fuckin guts on your pay structure point of view. Lol
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve rec’d exactly one comment since I’ve been on mania, but i guess having the girl beside me in the office looka at me when I laughed out loud at DW’s comment is not enough to rec. I apologize.
LOL
I didn’t mean to come across like a dick………….just one of the things that really annoyed me over at BE! And to Rec a comment doesn’t even mean anything. Every comment on Be has like 3 Rec to it…..it’s just weird.
I always took it as appreciating the other person’s comment enough to comment without adding and also pointing it out others to appreciate.
I agree all the big green boxes is slightly disturbing and that certain BE “oldheads” get their shit rec’d for just talikng whether they have made a cognizant point or not. Like I said, that is why I am here.
anyone comparing fireman to teachers is obviously a teacher...my wife, mom, and aunts are or were all teachers
and let me explain something to you…they are not underpaid…i wonder if a fighters pension matches a teachers?..of course they’re pay seems low, they pay into they’re future genious. the whole time getting 3 full months of a year. get a clue sexyama…
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Teaching children is a priceless profession.
My point was that it is a useful occupation. It has worth, beyond entertainment. I never compared it to firemen, I compared it with firemen versus fighters.
And I hate clarifying points I made that some idiot (sexyama) fucks up.
exactly...someone else fucked it up...and that someone is clearly who I was talking too
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Feb 24, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Teacher's are underpaid, that's just my opinion.
If teachers were paid more, more ppl would want to teach and the Education system would improve.
Too bad we’re not paying $60 for a PPV to watch teachers doin their thing in a classroom.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
have you seen what a teachers pension looks like?
they make plenty but don’t see a lot of it till they retire…
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Feb 24, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Not NYC! Weird, but cops and teachers get paid shit there.
Only Long Island do they make that kind of money.
cops making 6 figures
most of that comes from shakin down drug dealers. kidding!
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
lol, i had to throw that in there, just too easy.
not to get off-topic, but I respect their jobs. Just wish more ppl would so too. Any job you get into there’s always gonna be assholes, but most of them are respectable. Ppl just hate authority.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Think...
It has nothing to with how mma junkies like us feel about the worth of a fighter.
IF you sell tickets, get free press, you have value to an MMA organization.
I wouldn’t care to see it, but if Serena Williams had left tennis to pursue her dream of MMA, and she was to fight Cyborg, it would break records because people who don’t know MMA would buy that show.
maniacs not junkies bro
dont lump us in with those retards
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.
AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH
Well I consider myself a junkie that hangs out with Maniacs...though I haven't aligned myself with those retards, hehehe!
But for me, maniacs are more hardcore. Junkies are more subdued or something. Maniacs are psycho! War Maniacs!
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize that half of them are even dumber than that.
- P-Dub
by The Negation on Feb 24, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
why offer him 5 fights?
thats alot of fights for someone who get smashed in the first one..what happens then?
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was.
We get to see him smashed 4 more times.
"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali
Who cares
Fuck him. And now that MMA is sanctioned in Alabama, he can’t fight there either. Nice.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
i dont understand
I’ve seen a similar comment elsewhere. Why couldn’t he box/Mma in Alabama just because MMA is now sanctioned there?
Not trying to be cocky, I was really wondering.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 8:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am wondering why anybody thinks Toney is relevant in any MMA discussion besides being a good quote.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Cabt really comment
until I know wht the offer was to Tooney, might have been hugh just not big enough for Tooney…
This is a lose/lose for both
James Toney would completely outclass ANY UFC hw or lhw standing up. This guy is, arguably, a former pound for pound king in boxing. He was really that good. There is no one who has the chops, purely standing, to do anything more than land one lucky punch before he knocks them the fuck out. DW, as a former boxing trainer, knows this.
That being said, there is not a single UFC HW or LHW that wouldn’t put him on his back and GNP him into dust. Toney has no wrestling background at all and even Houston Alexander could take him down. DW also knows this.
Do you sign a guy to a big contract that you know is going to get taken down and pummeled? Sure, if he will do it for 5 fights at 10/10. Remember, DW is a businessman first and foremost and he is looking out for the best interests of the UFC. Anybody wonder why Strikeforce didn’t already come calling? Because Toney will get taken down and pummeled. Why waste the money?
and because Dana would call them a "fuckin circus show" if they were looking into toney.
Its only otay when he’s going after the freak shows.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you disregard the entire aspect of kickboxing in this post
Akickboxer could stand with him and KO him just as easily. All he has to do is control the range with kicks, throw a few low ones to set up the high kick, Toney drops his hands and boom lights out
Fedor played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.
AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH
The only reason I would ever want Toney in the UFC
is because the post fight interviews after he loses would be hilarious!!
Rogan: Obviously you’re disappointed, tell us your thoughts on the fight
Toney: well ya’ll… it’s like this ya’know
crowd:BOOOOOO
Toney:HEY F*CK Y’ALL, Y’ALL ARE JUST HATERS
Rogan:30 seconds into the fight you got kicked in the leg and it looked like your knee gave out. how badly were you hurt?
Toney:well you know…it di’nt hurt really just a leg…sheeeet. Dumb Ho, think he gonna hurt me wit that sh*t
crowd:BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Toney:(grabs microphone) Hey f*ck y’all I’ll knock y’all asses out, I wan’ a rematch, this is bull sh*t. EH fuck you to Dana.. stingey ass bitch.
He then throws the mic on the floor and struts his way out of the cage whilst Joe congratulates Phil Baroni.
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
wow, i think that's exactly how it would go down.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
ha ha that was awesome
And it’d be worth paying him a 1 fight contract of 200k just to see him do that IMO. It’d make my weekend.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 24, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Phil Baroni, LOL, great ending!
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Ulf Murphy
“James Toney would completely outclass ANY UFC hw or lhw standing up.”
Completely disagree. Boxers aren’t prepared for leg kicks. Just the thought of being taken down, would hold his hands back a bit.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Toney is a boxer. Better than anyone by far in the UFC as a boxer. since in MMA, you can take people down, that is all his opponents would/should do. Anyone in MMA who would stand with this clown is nuts, whether a good kickboxer or not.
Now I think I want to see this clown fight. I didn’t before this post.
Toney doesn't bring anything to the table worth paying for.
He’s not going to bring in a large fan base. The boxing fans who don’t already watch MMA aren’t going to be attracted to watch just because a washed up fighter is trying MMA for the first time. If anything the would use this to look down on the sport.
The casual or mainstream fans that the UFC is trying to attract to the sport wouldn’t even know who this guy is. Really can anyone tell me what Toney was doing before he latched on to the UFC?
Canseco would be a bigger draw, and that’s a freakshow.
by six_fish_charlie on Feb 24, 2010 10:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Best post on this thread. Nothing else needs to be discussed.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Enough of this turd already.
Toney is like a nasty skid mark that won’t wash out of your tighty whiteys.
Blah Blah
Just another dumb boxer talking crap to not make it look like he’s not scared as hell to step into a real fight, getting more than just punches thrown at you and not with huge pillows on your hands.
by thenutman69321 on Feb 24, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions
What this guy needs to do is...
Toney needs to have his friends film him fighting neighborhood bums in the backyard…
(for chump change, if you will.)
once we see how he fights, maybe the UFC can book him.
lol
I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 24, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Toney would benefit MMA
If I am Dana, I sign Toney and make him fight the best grapplers and make an example on how boxing is not superior to mma. Make him an example for all the mayweathers and all the boxing fans who think their sport is superior.
Damnit Dana
Just Sign the Guy and pu thim in with a B level Guy who is a Striker. Pat Barry?
or SF sign this guy up.
However, on a side note for those of you who dont Box or train MMA… I have had my lapses where some Boxers get the best of me with 14oz gloves but that I will completely Own with 4oz gloves.
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