Cain Velasquez looks forward to 'bigger' things after stopping Minotauro Nogueira at UFC 110
by MMAmania.com on Feb 21, 2010 11:36 AM EST
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"I knew it was going to happen, all that hard work, this is where I want to be. I want to be the best, fight the best and hold that title one day. That's the whole reason I got into this sport. A lot of bigger things are going to happen for me..... You put months and months of hard work into 15 minutes. I put a lot of hard work into my stand-up, which was part of the game plan, really beat him to punch. I felt it go right through him, there was no give."
Undefeated heavyweight hopeful Cain Velasquez is eager to continue his rapid ascension toward the top of the division after an emphatic knockout victory over Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 110 last night (Feb. 20. 2010) in Sydney, Australia. It doesn't get much bigger than "Minotauro" reputation wise, meaning Velasquez is likely now setting his sights on the physically imposing reigning champion, Brock Lesnar. However, he may have to get in line behind the winner of the match between the equally large Shane Carwin and former champion, Frank Mir, at UFC 111 next month. Was Velasquez's astonishing performance enough to leap frog Carwin and/or Mir or should he have to wait until the title is unified before getting his crack at championship glory?
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I hope Carwin beats Mir so we can see Cain/Mir
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Why should Cain get the loser of Carwin/Mir??
that’s stupid. he’s beaten better guys than Carwin. He should either get the title shot or fight someone big whose comin off a win (JDS > Gonzaga).
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
kinda gotta agree
I don’t think he should be taking the loser of any fight now. He patiently waits in the side for his earned shot at Lesnar now, would be ideal. Unfortunately that is too long on the sidelines for a young up and comer. So ya, I say feed him a decent opponent and keep him as a contender. Cause if Lesnar steam rolls winner of Shane/Mir then Cain fought Mir and somehow lost he is sent spiraling down the ladder again. We need more options for Lesnar anyways.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 21, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Here is the scenario!
Carwin Ko’-s Mir…JDS Ko’s Gonzaga
Carwin vs. Brock title shot
JDS vs. Cain for the next title shot and JDS’-s chance to avenge master nog-s loss
Nog beats the shit out of Mir
Gonzaga vs. Kongo
thats 2010’-s HW picture
how did you do on this card john
I had a Nog-Sotiropoulos and Bader-Wand-Foster parlay. I finally saw value in foster on friday night so i decided to bolster my wand pick then just threw bader on as anchor. It was working out – he was molesting Lytle after taking his best shots then lytle decided to stop fighting dumb. I don’t even have to say anything about Nog. So pissed this whole fn weekend which was topped off by my apartment getting robbed. It’s gonna suck having to sneak and post on mania from work which i still do anyways.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 21, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
he woulda had perfect if not for NOG
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
That was the exact scenario...
I had played out in my head. While he may have beaten better guys then Carwin, I just don’t see how he gets past giving 30 to 40 pounds at fight time against the big boys in Carwin and Lesnar and the newly inflated Mir. I think Cain and JDS has the potential to be fight of the year. To young, hungry, undefeated up and comers both in the top 10, each of them with a solid top 10 win, JDS trying to avenge the masters loss like John said, and Cain trying to stick the final nail in the Black House HW coffin (since I can’t see Munoz being top 10 material anytime soon). I never count Gonzaga out though(partially because he is one of my favorite HW fighters). He has really good Muay Thai, devastating kicks, good power in his hands and has a good BJJ game. Although it seems as though he has not been the same since the Randy Couture fight, I think JDS could end up in trouble, if he is not careful
Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up they would pound each other behind the barn!"
Hmmm...
That would be interesting because both guys have now shown good stand up while at the same time they have the opposite ground skills. It would be one of the few times I would be cheering for Mir in my life! Cain seems to be the real deal but I still wonder how he would fair against another athletic wrestler that is much bigger than he is.
by Edgecrusher71 on Feb 21, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
ok so here's the deal.
both Cain and Junior are better than Carwin/Mir and have been more impressive with Carwin being the least impressive out of those 4, there is no need to screw around and “test” these guys out anymore.
Cain and Junior are both ready for the title and shouldn’t have to fight each other for one of them to get there, the UFC should really try to have them both fight for the title so we can see relevant title fights and have the division on a roll.
come on maaayn.
We gotta see JDS' ground game first. Let's hope GG opts not to bang with him.
I still can’t get the image of Mamute just dragging him to the mat and armbarring him. Gotta see how he works from the bottom and whether he needs more seasoning there to be ready for the gold strap. Cain is already there. He will brutally bash any of those other three. And no brock won’t be able to take him down. Cain will gas him out and kill him in the clinch with strkes and uppercuts if it goes down. If JDS has a good guard though, his hand are on significantly higher level than anyone at HW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 21, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cain is in the top contender mix
I would actually prefer to see him get a shot since he has plenty of time to train but if everything goes as planned the winner of Mir and Carwin wil fight and the winner if JDS wins he wil also be in the mix. If GG happens to win I don’t think he should be in the mix with his latest performances but really Cain needs to fight somebody next.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
yes, NNR you are right. Cain would most likely beat Brock he is the more skilled fighter and is extremely strong for his size, he moves so much better than Brock does. if the UFC could just cut the bullshit and promote Junior and Cain to a title fight i’d be pleased, since Brock and Mir got there so fast.
come on maaayn.
Spot on RoB
It’s disgraceful that Cain and JDS are being held back whilst other HWs are getting fastracked for being better talkers. Carwin has only faced one ranked opponent and JDS is set to face him anyway whilst Mir has already had his chance at Brock’s belt and lost easily, beating Kongo should not leapfrog him above quality fighters like Cain and JDS. If there was any justice then the UFC would give Cain or JDS the next shot, but unfortunately you get title fights by insulting Brock to the media and not by winning fights.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
It didn't leap him into tite shot
Mir still has to get past Carwin for that. I see what you’re saying though. And congrats, Cain looked great in what little time we had to analyze him.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 21, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
He's in the mix and will most likely will need to win one more
But if there is a injury that happens in the Mir and Carwin fight to the winner he is next in line.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
which i feel is fair.
Win one more against a lesser opponent. I know it sounds bad but I think a B level opponent is in call now and a smart move to keep Cain fresh while he wait for all the smoke to clear on the Shane/Mir/Lesnar debacle.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 21, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I gree that the favouritism is disgraceful,
I think the UFC would prefer to have a champion who they do not need a translator for, and putting two guys like that against each other makes sure one is out of contention. I am not saying it is a racist thing, for them it is just business as they would be easier to market and would appeal more to the uneducated masses. Dana has always maintained that the UFC is a business first, he will arrange fights and put fighters first that will generate the most money for the company, unfortunately he does not give a damn about whats fair or not. Mir beating Kongo was a good win, but Kongo s strategy of not covering his face and just looking to be knocked out, did not make see Mir that much differently, it just made me think that Kongos brain is smaller than the pea size I thought it was when it comes to strategy inside the Octogan. Brock has four wins to his name, and the majority of fans act like he has 20 fight win streak against top level opponents. I am going to wait until he wins a few more fights, before I am convinced that the sun shines out of his backside like most seem to do.
For the spelling police.
I realised just as I clicked post ,that it should have been “agree” and not “gree”.
They are obviously banking on another Mir/Lesnar fight.
UFC’s HW division is moving fast these days, and they are gonna give Carwin who’s stood still for a year now after his crappy win over Gonzo an interim title fight.
come on maaayn.
Roberto
Carwin could very well do the same to Mir as he too is improving like Cain and a better version of Carwin will be present in the Mir fight. For a guy that has beat all his opponents in the first round he doesn’t get a lot of respect but can with a win over Mir. Mir hungry though and on top of his game wich is better than both Cains and Carwins over all but Cain showed the improvement level from training. What does Carwin have to improve is the question we all knew Cain needed to improve his striking and did.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
well, Carwin hasn’t earned the same respect as JDS and Cain as he’s beaten D level fighters such as C.Wellisch and Neil Wain.
I don’t really care much for what Carwin could do to Frank, my problem is that if he “does” it he gets a title shot so in other words he’s in a fight he shouldn’t be in.
come on maaayn.
Beating Mir would be proof enough he deserves too Rob
I know lots don’t like Mir but honestly his game is much better than NOG’s right now and his KO looked very similar to that of Cains over NOG.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Same here
He hasn’t earnt anything and has faced nobodies and an overrated fighter in Gonzaga, neither him or Mir are the top contenders in this division and no matter which of them wins I don’t believe that they deserve a fight with Brock. JDS and Cain are the top 2 contenders in the division, they’ve just been letdown badly by fake titles and piss poor matchmaking.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
JDS's problem is he didn't want to because his partner NOG was in the mix
That might change now though.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Agreed, now is JDS' time to shine and Big Nog needs to step aside and let his protege go for the belt
At this point Nog won’t win the belt again so there’s no need to stop JDS from going for it. I hope that Nog can help take his protege to greatness and make some nice paydays at the same time, rematches with Cro Cop or Mir (if he loses to Carwin) make sense at this point.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
UFC making that fight the interm belt fight was stupid
But if the UFC knew Brock was coming back would of never done this and like they did to Hendo they should do to Mir if he wins I think they are just giving Carwin the oportunity he lost…I hope?
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Most likely?
I don’t think so Mir did the same and look what happen to Mir. It will be a great battle but if you have seen Brocks fights you would realize Cain wouldn’t be able to do what he did against NOG without leaving himself exposed to Brocks explosive take down. You look at the athletisism of these big guys it unbelievable I don’t think he would win but with his skills he would have one of the best chances I would say but not most likely.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Brock is extremely strong for his size too, and his size happens to be 40 pounds bigger than Brown Pride. If you think BP or anyone else is going to muscle Brock around you’re insane. And people kept going on about Mir was so much more skillful than Brock and look what that got him.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Mir has no heart or wrestling
Bad combination especially when you’re facing a huge wrestler with vicious ground and pound like Brock. Cain, Carwin and JDS would smash him as well, though at this point I don’t know whether Big Nog can beat him.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Cain vs winner of Santos/Gonzaga
I think Cain will get the winner of JDS/Gonzaga fight…. Either one of those matches would be awesome… I would give Todd Duffee the loser of the Mir/Carwin fight… Or you could give him Cro Cop? I think Duffee vs Carwin would be a pretty good fight!!!!
I agree
Especially if JDS wins. Mir/Carwin gets the next chance at Brock. In the mean time JDS and Cain for the #1 contender. Seems simple to me, so long as JDS beats GG
by domino effect on Feb 21, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
In my Opinion he should get
Junior Dos Santos if he wins his fight against Gabriel Gonzaga because if Dos Santos wins, it would only make sense for those two to fight. I also think if they fight the winner should get either carwin/mir or brock/carwin or mir.
They definitely need to unify
It’s retarded to have “Interim” Title matches once the real title is back in play. While I think after last night Cain deserves higher ranking than Carwin and is a better choice than Mir (who’s just had a crack at the belt recently), I’m afraid he’ll have to wait his turn due to Dana making Carwin/Mir an interim title contest. They’ll just have to find some way to keep Cain busy till Brock is finished waxing the floor with Mir or Carwin.
If Mir loses to Carwin, he’s a good matchup for Cain while Carwin fights for the belt. Mir is a several-time beltholder and the only guy in the UFC with a W over Brock. So that’s a legit opponent, esp if it’s a close fight. If Carwin loses to Mir or if Mir gets absolutely destroyed by Carwin, then give JDS/Gonzo winner to Cain.
Interim belts mean shit. This is the dumbest belt ever.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
The interim title is needless
There only should be an interim title if there’s no champion, Brock is ready to fight in the summer so there is no point in having those 2 jokers fighting over a paper belt. Neither of them are the top contender in the HW division and it’s unfortunate that insulting Brock in the media earns title fights instead of winning fights.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Championship fights sell more tickets and PPV's...even if its fake.
The casual fan doesn’t know the difference. They just hear “Championship belt” and the’re sold. It’s a lie. The belt is a piece of leather, it’s a symbol of who is at the top – there can’t be 2. How can someone be proud of an interim belt? It’s the biggest joke.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
it's also a way of getting someone into a title fight
like francisco santos mir III, the winner is bound to face lesnar and mir has reached new heights in his career in terms of marketability with his trash talk.
come on maaayn.
They made it an interim title match when Brock’s future was in doubt. All this does now is guarantee the winner first shot at Lesnar in a unification match.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Dana created this interim belt for martketing reasons
Why didn’t they wait to hear back from Lesnar before creating this fake title? Now that Lesnar is fighting this summer, why still have it?? And why does anyone get a guarantee at anything? Just because Cain doesn’t talk shit like Mir, he doesn’t get a title shot just yet. Should Cain spend less time working on his skills in the gym and more time talkin shit about Lesnar.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Now that JDS is allowed in the picture because his partner is out
I would like to see him face Cain assuming he beats GG. Honestly though I would like Dana to call Cain vs Brock and JDS fight the winner of Mir and Carwin. Dana has changed his mind many of times and if hears enough rumblings about fans not wanting to see another Mir vs. Brock he jsut might again?
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
They should remove the interim championship nonsense from that Mir-Carwin match and just make it a 3-round fight, now that the real champ is back. But it does sound like both of them have figured out the secret to getting a title shot: beat a nobody, then shit-talk Brock.
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Unfortunately you're right
Shameful from the UFC, it’s terrible that Cain and JDS got overlooked in favour of lesser fighters and a fake belt because they didn’t insult the champion. There was no need to make that fight for an interim belt until Brock’s future was confirmed, it’s laughable that they’ve brought in a made up title for an undeserving number one contender when the champion is set to defend his title anyway. I pity anyone that buys the PPV because they think that Mir-Carwin is for the HW title.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I don't know the entire story
But I think Carwin didn’t want to take another fight if Brock was coming back and take a chance at losing a shot at the belt and my guess is the UFC did this to please him and get him to fight Mir and for a belt fake as it is? In the end we will get to see the best face the best whoever that may be and regardless Cain vs Brock or JDS will be a great fight. I just don’t want to see Mir and Brock three as Brocks next fight we need to see some other talent against Brock even if Mir wins and has the fake belt?
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
I don't want to see Brock-Mir III either it's pointless
And if you’re not prepared to take another fight before facing the champion then you’re clearly not the top contender. Terrible attitude from Carwin, all that does is justify the criticism that he’s receiving for getting fastracked to title fights.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
From a competitive standpoint, Brock-Mir is a useless fight. Brock has already proven he is unquestionably better than Mir. But after Mir’s latest hissy-fit about wanting to kill Brock in the ring, I hope Mir wins. Brock will beat him senseless again, then Mir will snap.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Re: why fight if Brock was ready to fight by summer...
Contracts…They have to have the fights still because they signed contracts giving them the fight. They can pull out of the agreed upon contract just like any other business can’t pull out of a contract, unless they have agreed upon clauses. Just like the fighters are bound to the UFC by contract, the UFC are bound to their fighters by contract. If they ink a fight deal, they are both bound to it. I suppose they could have put an out clause, saying if Brock was ready before x, then this fight won’t happen, but then what fighter would agree to that? Fighters spend a lot of money on training camps, flying guys in, or flying out to different camps to prepare for fights, all that money would be a loss if the UFC had an out clause.
Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up they would pound each other behind the barn!"
Nog looked terrible
No head movement….. well no movement whatsoever.
Cain vs JDS /GG winner next, lets see how he handles a younger and faster opponent.
by Lester The Pimp on Feb 21, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions
Cain will run thru either one of those guys…..i’m not saying he should get the title shot right now, as he’ll need to fight between now and the Mir/Carwin/Lesnar thing gets worked out. I don’t care if it’s Dos Santos or Gonzaga, Cain will destroy either of them. Now everyone can see that Cain is anything but one-dimensional. Cain will impose his will on JDS, and it will be over in less than 3 rounds…….If Cain is having difficult standing with Dos Santos, he’ll just take it to the mat and it’s game over. Cain is a wrecking machine…..and his stand up last night would have been a problem for anyone, head movement or not…..
Brown Pride >The Nogfather
Nog's head movement has never been there but his chin use to be more than enuff to compensate for it.
Here his reflexes were just a split second slower. After there first exchange my heart just sank. Cain himself still needs to clean up his defense but really there is no one at HW that can make him pay for it aside from JDS. Against Nog though he was able to get inside and out quick enough that his defensive flaws didn’t really matter. I really liked though that he was sitting down on his punches and using actual footwork and just not bouncing around.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 21, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
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nnr, nog can still take a solid punch on the chin.. it was that hook behind the ear that dropped him..
nog wasn’t even flinching when cain landed one on the chin.. he got his jaw tapped atleast 10 times[with no reaction].. i was actually laughing at cain everytime he landed a clean shot how big nog was just eating them like nothing.. i wasn’t laughing for long, thats for sure.. even the five shots nog took on the ground, he still wasn’t stiff..
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
those shots on the ground couldn't have been cleaner...right on the button at least 3 times
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
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“at least 3” defintitely..
i counted 5 solid shots, and nog still wasn’t stiff.
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Its a moot point. I admire Nog but Cain rocked him. Period. Anything else = irrelevant details, Stinky.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
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no doubt.. cain fucked him up good!~ he was out-pointing him in every exchange..
and to top it off, nog looked pretty fresh.. no excuse, cain beat a 100% nog -imo..
all im saying is the punch that put nog on queer street was a right hook behind the ear.. every punch that landed on the chin before that, didn’t faze nog.. it was the left that followed the ‘shot behind the ear’ that put nog down, followed by 5 solid ‘jaw taps’ that still didn’t put nog completely out..
no got destroyed, no doubt. but i would still say nog has one hell of a chin.. he was eating those punches..
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
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and i wouldn’t call my debate on nog chin ‘irrelevant’ considering we are talking about nogs chin in this conversation.. im not taking anything away from cain.. dood stepped up alot in my ranks, and i consider him to-legit-to-quit..
if we were talking about no getting rocked? i fully agree!~ he got boldered!~
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
he did get bouldered and I hated it...classiest guy to ever where 4 oz gloves
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Sorry Stink. No offense meant but ranking his chin after he got KO'ed by a guy with pillow hands seems silly.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
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why is it silly? i give cain all the respect.. am i suppossed to take away respect from nog? hell no, son..
why can’t i talk about nog awesome chin, when he clearly proved just that, last night?
landing 10-15 punched directly on nogs chin and not being able to drop him doesn’t mean cain has ‘pillows’ it means nogs chin is solid..
cain was a beast last night and out boxed nog!~ nuff credit due for that reason alone.. add the fact that he is the second guy EVER to finish nog doubles that credit.. i have no ill feelings toward the young lion..
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Nog doesn't have an awesome chin
HE gets rocked almost every fight. He has one of the worst chins in MMA. He does however have heart.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
worst chins in mma? he's never been out cold so that
you are gonna go down when a 240 lbs man gets his body behind his punches and lands clean on your chin.
come on maaayn.
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“worst chin in mma”…hahahahhahahahaha
lol, jay!~ that was by far your worst comment ever..
hahaha, nog doesn’t have an awesome chin?
“he gets dropped in most of his fights” , yes, but how many time has he been put away? nog recovers faster than most fighters..
so i guess nick diaz doen’t have a good chin either? lol, jay where did that come from??
nog is easily top 10 best chins in mma..
for a guy who took severe gNp from fedor, headkicks from cro cop and all the wars he has had & never had been [t]ko’d untill recently (2 time in all his fights) your not giving credit where credit is due..
what a stupid comment..lol
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
let me add that Nog has no head movement or footwork whatsoever at this point in his career.
had Randy packed some power behind his punches he would have had a chance to hurt Nog too cause of the fact that Nog is a sitting duck at this point in his career. You can’t be taking hits flush on your jaw against fighters these days, unless those fighters are named Mike Bisping or Forrest G who never sits down in exchanges.
come on maaayn.
any boxer will tell u what difference leaning the right way and moving your head makes.
It takes away a lot of force from your opponents punch if you roll the right way, but if you don’t and get hit flush from a guy who gets his whole body into a punch it can be good night for any fighter.
guys like Rampage, A.Silva, Machida, Shogun aren’t getting hit clean because of incredible defensive skill and technical standup.
guys like Jardine, Nog who gets hit a lot with no defensive skill goes down, it’s pretty simple.
come on maaayn.
LOL
Let’s not split hairs here, Rob. He has been dropped in almost every fight since PRIDE. If he doesn’t have a weak chin, what is his problem? His stand up is slow, he drags his feet around the cage. He is too slow to keep up with any of the top guys.
You guys will never learn, so I am going to stop trying to help you.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
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hahhahaha, your post are dumb & dumber, jay..
saying nog has always had one of the wrost chins is just crazy..
so guys who get dropped from clean punches on the button, who doesn’t get ko’d & recover through it just to WIN 99% of their fights has a weak chin?
lol, man, u still drinking?
what cain did to nog last night would have KILLED most men.. nog was trying to get up immediately after the stoppage.. nog has only been [t]ko’s TWICE ever, and both being late in his career..
what you said is the most crazy thing i have read from a regular in while.. im dumbfounded with your remarks and will probably look at u different for a little, lol..
since you are done explaining, and i will never learn, can you atleast answer one question for me?
what does it take for you to consider a guy has a good chin?
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Toes curled, eyes closed, hands at his side. Tell me again how Nog was going to get right back up because he wasn't asleep.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
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thats what im sayin, roberto!~ we’re talking about nogs chin and jay starts talking about footwork, lol
forget about getting dropped im talking getting ko’d.. strong chins = quick recovery from being dropped.. bad chins = getting dropped and staying down [ko’d]..
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong Stinky.
Getting dropped in 80% of your fights= weak chin. Getting right back up=quick recovery time and lots of heart. I didn’t say Nog was heartless.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Who's talking about footwork?
I said he gets dropped almost every time he fights now. That could be because he moves like an oak tree, don’t know.
In the past 5 years(you’re going to want to forget PRIDE fights for a second here) who has Nog beaten on the feet?
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
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wrong, jay.
getting droppped in 80% of fights = bad head movement & footwork.
being able to take that punch and recover at an insane recovery time = great chin.
not ever being unconcious = great chin
only being [t]ko’d twice in a lengthy career = great chin..
dood its all about being able to take a punch and keep going.. NOT because you take huge shots that flash ko you..
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
He's unconcious in this picture. What are you talking about?
He used to be able to take some huge shots, that is over now. Flash KO=KO in mma.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
How come all you doods used to say Nog had the best boxing in MMA
when now you guys are saying his footwork and head movement always sucked? You guys are confusing me.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Off topic : I have a new poll. I would like you guys to check it out and share a personal thought.
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-Stephen King
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& again, im only talking about chin durablity.. im not talking about who nog looked good standing against.
you actually said “nog has one of the worst chins in mma”
and im only debating that crazy talk..
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Today....Not all time.
He has one of the worst chins in MMA. I stand behind that. We aren’t talking all time, we are talking about today and yes he has his button pressed more often than anyone in the UFC.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
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jay, im not saying the fight wasn’t over.. you can’t watch a picture like the footage.. watch the fight again.. nog was getting up right after the stop.. was it a good stop imo- hell yes!~
what we are arguing is your ballsy comment saying “nog has one of the worst chins ever”
thats all im debating with you, i agree with the stop.. i agree nog had terrible footwork.. what i disagree is your opinion on nogs chin, thats it..
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
OK let's forget everything else and talk about Nog's chin
I think one of us is confused. Nog has been dropped(legs were jello, he didn’t know where he is) in 80% of his fights in the past 5 years. How can you say he is top 10 chins in MMA? How does a guy who is repeatedly dropped have a good chin? Good recovery and huge heart, yes. Good chin? NO.
Why does everyone still accuse GSP of having no chin when he was dropped once(3 years ago)? Nog gets dropped by HH and all people talk about is his chin. He is done and I want you to say it.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Stink, I mean no harm with anything I say or have said
You know I’m a huge fan of yours.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
You and Roberto were both saying he was never asleep
Looks pretty tired in this pic. Like I said, he recovers quickly but this isn’t boxing. The first time you close your eyes and stiffen up you are KO’d. Nog was KO’d last night, again.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
he wasn't Hendo/Bisping asleep...he was flat for a minute, eyes open...I've been like that before, and its not being KOed
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
You guys and your technicalities
The guy was asleep, look at the pics. I don’ t care how long he slept, dude was asleep. Unless he was only resting his eye lids for the second round, he was sleeping.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
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guys take punches like that from cain will drop too.. and they will probably stay laying there out cold.. being able to take that punch and not go out makes it seem like he has a tough jaw to me.. i guess it comes down to opinion..
imo- quick recovery has nothing to do with heart.. it has everything to do with having a solid chin..
thats all i got to say about that.
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
imo NOG gets hit alot more than he should but I've seen him take shots that would drop a horse
he took a LHK from CC!!! Maybe Nog’s chin isn’t what it used to be but its a lot better than most. Last night he got dropped by a shot behind the ear then took 5 clean blows to curl his toes…I used to think he was top 3 chin but now top 10 with Hendo being the last of the Iron Chins
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
How does a guy with an iron chin get dropped by Timmy and HH?
Maybe I don’t understand what you guys mean by a great chin.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Its hard to say...in some of his old pride fights he clearly misleads his opponennts into thinking he is dazed...he was def dazed vs Herring in their 3rd fight in the UFC but
not against Timmay…he baited Timmay from a mile away. I’m sure he gets hurt but he’s still able to put top notch talent away from the bottom after getting hit….if anything his balance is supect but not his chin…he took over 20 punches to the chin last night and finally went down after getting hit behind the ear…I fuckin hate these small boxes
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
LOL Baiting Timmy
Is this his form of possum now? Fall on your back with your toes curled to lure a fighter to the ground? Timmy put him on queer street, with an awkward jab. Nog is done.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
watch the fight, the DVD, listen to Rogan, watch it in slow-mo and you'll see what I'm taliking about...he was baited 100% hook line and sinker...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Yeah
It was a strike takin when he was throwing a strike any boxer will tell you they are most vulnerable to KO when throwing a strike themself. Cain had a lot of force behind it and his striking was much improved I almost guarantee NOG wasn’t ready for the Cain he faced last night. As far as having a iron chin hmmm no Big Bob Sapp has been proven he has weak shots and couldn’t even knock out a LHW little alone NOG now heart and toughness NOG is one of the greatest ever.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Stinky....
You know I got mad love for you brother. I hope you didn’t take anything I said the wrong way. We just don’t see eye-to-eye on this one. That is why we come here, right?
Puck Head, what did I say? Nog isn’t looking better, he just gets worse and worse. I hope we agree on that now.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Jay
I don’t know yet on NOG, he got caught with a big punch wich can happen to the best of them. Doesn’t mean he’s done yet but at the same time the younger generation of fighters are starting to come through I didn’t expect the best from 10 years ago to still be the best now I just didn’t think Cain was ready and he proved me wrong.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
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mc, you understand what i mean..
timmay is a 6’8 265 man.. i know he’s a goof and all, but getting hit directly on the button from him would ko alot of peeps..
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
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for the record, jay, i understand what your saying..
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
who cares about Timmay...he took a LHK in the HEAD from CC in his prime and didn't get KOed...also took a vicious headkick from Herring and didn't get KOed...we're talking about kickboxers who know how to put a guy asleep
No offence to Timmay……well ya I guess a little offense
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
to think that any guy can withstand clean shots flush on the jaw is being unreal.
so this whole conversation is irrelevant, what’s relevant is how slow Nog has become and how he doesn’t move therefore becoming an target for other HW’s out there to hit.
Keith Jardine another example, he leaves himself wideopen to counters all the time and sticks his chin out there, if Anderson Silva and these superstars would do that they would get KTFO all the time too!
come on maaayn.
Can't argue with any of that Roberto
Spelled it out nicely.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Agreed with RoB
The problem with Big Nog is his defence, in the past he got away with it because of his iron chin and ability to recover from being rocked quickly but at this point he can’t take punches from younger, quicker, bigger fighters like Cain or Mir. Nog is too easy to hit and at this point is too slow to beat the young beasts of the division.
Jay, I get what you were trying to say though the “Nog has the worst chin in MMA” was a very poor way of saying that point. Being able to recover from being badly hurt is not just heart and determination but also shows that you have a great chin, heart alone can’t prevent KOs. However I agree that he’s getting dropped too often now, offensively he still has it but his defence is gone, it never was the best but now that he’s lost his speed and has been KO’d he isn’t the same fighter that he once was.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
The Science behind the KO...
http://mmaposers.com/blog/the-science-behind-getting-knocked-out/
Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up they would pound each other behind the barn!"
good point stinky
Anybody gets caught with a power shot especially when thowing one of their own will most likely go down. It could of happened to Cain if NOG connected and he missed on that exchange?
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Yes but it didn't happen so its irrelevant. I understand the Nog fans are mourning but he went out on his shield vs. a legit young lion. No shame in that.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
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i am definitely mourning!~ nog is one of my top favorites, and i will admit i never saw that coming.. but i don’t hate on cain for it.. the dood did his job..
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Stinky, NOBODY saw that coming. Anyone who claims otherwise is full of shit.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
ahem!
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Correction : vs. Cain. Jay predicted it would happen eventually. My bad, Jay.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
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just cause i chose nog to win, doesn’t mean i thought cain was nothing!~ i don’t know why your trying to rubb it in that u were right or something, oj..
and u still didn’t explain why its silly to talk about nogs chin in defeat?
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I predicted it had already happened, OJ.
I just thought Cain was too weak to knock him out. I underestimated Cain, always have said Nog is finished.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Not trying to rub anything in. You know that's not my style. My apologies if it came across that way, Stinky.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
it's about technique not anyone's chin.
Cain had improved his standup and packed a better punch then usual cause he learned how to sit down in the pocket and get his body behind his punches. Anderson Silva or any fighter would have gone down.
come on maaayn.
Exactly
Cain showed great boxing technique, Nog once again was too easy to hit and legendary chin or not nobody can take perfect punches from a young beast like Cain. The reason that Andy never gets KO’d is that he makes himself very difficult to hit, he has the best reflexes in MMA and that is a huge part of why he is the p4p king.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Oj...thoughts on CC?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
CC looked very average. Did he tone it down because it was a can or has he just lost "it"? IDK. This CC fight did not answer any questions.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Yup. And if CC beats Ben, I want to see a CC/Kongo rematch.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
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im feeling the same, oj!~
i think we need to see him fight rothwell to answer those questions.. to much speculation with mirkos fight, on account of him fighting a complete can..
mirko did look thicker though.. and he also looked well rounded in the cage, too.. but either then that, it’s up in the air because cro cop did look like he felt sorry for the man.. who knows?
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by stinky~fingers on Feb 21, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I think he felt some sort of compassion. It showed in his body language and on his face.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I find it funny that many of you call Tito irrelevent
but still claim CC has something…it took him 2 full rounds to cut a 37 year old D-level at best fighter who took the fight on 2 days notice…I mean c’mon…Rothwell would murder him
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
CC is brutal
I’m glad Big Ben didn’t fight last night. CC looked horrible. His head ain’t right any more.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
that fight was a embarrassing
a main card fight featuring 2 over 35 has-beens
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Yeah, CC did not do himself any favors by taking it easy on Perosh.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I'm not, I'd have done better than 1 pick right haha
Big Ben will win when they fight, Cro Cop is done. His head isn’t in it anymore. He didn’t look great against Perosh, it was an easy win but he should have gone for the kill and a routine win by cuts after 2 rounds against a can taking the fight on 2 days notice was not impressive at all. Cro Cop is as relevant as Hughes and Tito, he’s just a special attraction these days nothing more.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Tito is irrelevant. CC probably is irrelevant but this fight did not prove it. His next loss will confirm it, though. Only thing keeping it 100% is that he has not lost to a can. GG, JDS and CK are not cans.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
So if Tito fought and beat Marcus Davis would you saythe same thing?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
haha...I knew this would happen and have been waiting to use this analogy
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
There are no what if's with Tito. Its a proven fact that he is irrelevant. Look at the way he lost to Griffin. CC is about 75% there.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
what?! over half the people on this site thought Tito won that fight...he didn't fight for 18 months and didn't train for 12
the diff is Tito is not a fan favourite, CC is
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
yes.
Tito may not be a top guy but the reason he lost to Forrest that last round like he did was because he was gassed, something we’ll never see happen from Tito again.
I think how far they’ve fallen is the most interesting thing to discuss and guys like CC, Wand aren’t the same, their killer instinct is completely gone.
they must have taken something to go on a rage in Pride, they looked like murderers over there like they wanted to kill the person right infront of them and now they’re taking it easy sitting back and waiting.
come on maaayn.
your Tito alarm musta went off
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
it did, what better way to finish my day on mania then with a tito post.
the olympic hockey tourney is #1 priority right now.
come on maaayn.
yep...USA is goin down
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
DOH!!
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
That was another "controversial decision" that wasn't controversial at all
Only thing worse than a bad decision is when people bitch about good decisions just because their favourite lost.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
dos santos vs cain
If Dos Santos defeats Gonzaga why not have him fight cain? If the carwin/Mir winner gets Brock it leaves Cain a long time without a fight. Dos Santos is also undefeated and if he beats Gabe a number one contenters match between him and Cain makes sense.
give nog someone like big country to build him back up.
wandy vs akiyama is another great match up. If wany pulls it out he may be next for a shot at the 185 champ
That fight has to happen if the UFC do give Brock one of the 2 shittalkers a title fight instead of one of the 2 top contenders
However I’m hoping that they will see sense and JDS or Cain will get the title fight instead, I have no desire to see Brock-Mir yet again and Carwin hasn’t earnt a shot at anything.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Sorry man I know Mir isn't popular but...
…If he beats Shane, and tko’d Kongo, after going with Brock, I don’t see him as a pretender. That is earned to me. I’m not saying JDS or Cain aren’t up there too, I just don’t see how Mir is less then they are.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 21, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
well, how are Cain and Junior less than Mir is?
Cain also beat Kongo and now Nog ffs, we won’t find out a damn thing about Brock’s qualities as a fighter is if he’s gonna be fighting guys he’s already won over again and again.
They are protecting thei money right now (Mir and Lesnar) you don’t think they thought long and hard on who Mir would beat so that they could instantly make more money on a third fight. Props to Frank for being an a-hole and hyping it up though.
come on maaayn.
Thats why I'm cheering for Carwin but I'm thinking Mir will win
I would be pumped to see Brock face Cain and hope Dana maybe changes his mind like he did to Hendo but he took a lot of flack for that one. Cain vs Brock and JDS/GG winner vs Mir/Carwin winner for nest in line would be perfect Cmon Dana no one cares if you hurt Mirs feelings LOL. If Carwin wins give him the shot and have Cain vs. JDS/GG winner.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
sort of like Tito?
Anderson Silva is p4p the greatest fighter of all time, Fedor and GSP fear the mighty Spider
JDS should be thown in the mix too now
He asked to stay away because NOG was going for the title and didn’t want the opportunity knowing NOG was going for it.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
OFF SUBJECT
Is it just me or do these silver star shirts SUCK! I havent bought one, I miss the old sinister or fighter shirts These just suck ass
All the pillow fist talk ended last night.
It was hard to see Nog be destroyed last night.
FUCK YOU TITO! - Mark Coleman
It looks like the Mir fight was no fluke
Cain has put himself into the top contenders mix and NOG has stepped out. I think NOG should face the loser of Mir and Carwin and Cain should fight the winner of JDS and Gonzoga wich will most likely be JDS. Big night in Aussie for the young fighters that have shown this sport is evolving.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Cain showed yesterday that better technique can give rise to power.
Case in Point look at Anderson Silva. Back in his ChuteBoxe days, he couldn’t bust a grape with his hands, Now after he got together with Diogenes and Woirin and Distak, he’s melting guys with single kill shots.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 21, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
The winner vs Mir and Carwin are suppose too
Hopefully things change now?
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
just my opinion, but the only fighters who could potentially challenge him are....
Carwin, Mir, Lesnar, and maybe Gonzaga.
Carwin could maybe outwrestle him, and could definitely take his head off. Mirs striking is more dynamic than Cains and he’s putting some power in his punches. Lesnar is bigger, stronger, and maybe faster, not to mention he could outwrestle Cain. Gonzaga can bang with anyone and his jits is sick, so he could threaten Cain when Cain tales him down.
Having said all that, I feel Mir and Carwin would be his biggest tests seeing as they can knock him out or take him down and pound him out.
by fightfan51 on Feb 21, 2010 12:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What about JDS?
He’s got the best boxing in the HW division and has a lot of big wins to his credit, he’d be a much bigger threat than Mir or Gabe whilst Carwin hasn’t proven how good he is and he is poorer and older version of Cain in my opinion.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Do you mean Gabe “The Can Crusher” Gonzaga. Lesnar, Mir, Carwin, JDS and Cain all decapitate that loser.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
lol my mistake, wake n bake got me this morning
But I agree on JDS as well. I posted my thoughts on him in another thread. But yes, add him to my list as well. I believe his boxing is superior to Cains and he would drop him standing. His ground game is a complete mystery but I’m hoping and assuming it is up to par as he trains with the nogs.
by fightfan51 on Feb 21, 2010 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's been submitted before but he does have good BJJ, albeit not on the level of the Nog twins
Right now JDS and Cain are the biggest threats to Brock’s belt and I’d love to see them fight, JDS has the much better boxing and has looked unstoppable but Cain would be his toughest test to date and his wrestling could be the difference if they fight. Personally I think that Junior would get the KO before Cain can take him down but Cain would be a huge threat to him.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
UFC Heavyweight Class
You gotta give the UFC some solid credit on rebuilding their HW class…just a few short yrs ago the UFC had a paltry roster, now it might be one of the most competative and exciting weightclasses they have. GG, JDS, Cain, Carwin, Mir, and Lesnar fights could keep me entertained for several years, not to mention a few other fighters.
Absolutely agree- back in the day all the best HWs were in Pride which is why....
the promotion was preceived as the better on by hardcores. Whoever has the Heavies controls the game since people have some weird fascination with Big dudes slugging it out. Now though UFC has it locked down. Not only that the levelof HWs noawadays is 1000 folds better. Just a few years ago Justin Eilers(RIP), Timmah, Russian Roulette, Rizzo, that roider and Couture aka the paycheck were the cream of the crop UFC heavies. Imagine now even unproven prospects like Duffee would eat all those guys.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 21, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I've never understood the obsession with HWs
I’ve always found it the most boring weight class in both boxing and MMA, maybe it’s because I’m a small guy but I’ve always preferred the speed and explosiveness of the smaller guys. HW finally has some quality contenders but beneath them it’s still weaker than the other divisions and the UFC needs Fedor so that they have the best fighters in every weight class. It’s much better than it was in the old days and I’m happy to see real athletes and fighters doing well instead of a bunch of roid heads and fat LHWs but I’ll always prefer the lighter divisions.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
More power and strength compared to the other divisions
Like boxing most fights end by KO or TKO. Personally I like the mix. Stevensons battle with George was an excellent fight even though one sided.
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“noooooooooooooooooooo” gueira…..!!!!
im still upset my boy big nog got put out like that…
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
same here pal,
on ride home from the bar, i didn’t say a word to anyone. I was just too pissed.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 21, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
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with in 2 seconds of the tko, my phone was ringing.. i knew it would be my brother before i even looked at the number.. we cried together for about 5 minutes, lol..
i woke up this morning thinking i had a bad nightmare.. to bad it wasn’t a dream..
cain took that pride fever away from me.. i was having a good night, too..
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
Cain is easily
The number 1 heavyweight contender, regardless of the Carwin/Mir outcome… Mir has had his shot and got drummed and Carwin isn’t the rising star Cain is… Lesnar v. Valezquez would be a much bigger draw and better fight.
Goooooo-mez!
by Drew C on Feb 21, 2010 1:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would agree, but they can sell more tickets with Lesnar/Mir 3...and Dana knows that.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
2010 is the year of the Heavyweight
Cain earned his title shot last night but time simply isn’t on his side.
Dana already confirmed the winner of mir/carwin gets Lesnars 1st fight back and I wouldn’t have it any other way because they have to unify the belts. Not to mention if carwin wins he was already supposed to fight Lesnar so cain can’t leap frog him and mir wins then Mir/lesnar 3 is inevitable at some point so if Mir has the interim you have to get it over with. With that fight not happeneing until brocks return in the summer it would mean the winner won’t fight until the fall and its still winter now, you can’t expect Cain to wait 6-9 months for his next fight so that gives him the winner of JDS/GG. The winner of that fight can then fight the champ in the fall. Which leads into the end of the year show which Dana will want to blow out of the water so expect to see a clear champion defending his belt then, buts whose left? Just in time for Fedor to come to his senses and fight in the biggest fight ever! If not Fedor I would still expect Dana to bring someone in maybe overoids who has said he’s open to UFC or Rogers who will go where the money is (not to mention danas joy in dispmantling SF HW division. Only ones left out would be the losers of Mir/Carwin and JDS/cain so Dana could match them up on the year end card to set up the first title defens in 2011. The HW division is stronger then ever!
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters
have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant
buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
by DrewMoney$$$ on Feb 21, 2010 1:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
WOW
What a performance by Cain; hopefully now everybody can see he is not one dimensional. BUT of course on every damn forum ive been on there is til lshit talking about Cain, and making excuses for Nog. “Oh he is slow, oh he is old and his best days are behind him, A prime Nog would murder him and Oh Cain has not faced a wrestler as good as him” Im sick that i stil lhave to read crap liek that after Cain dominated form opening bell and knocked him out with his “pillo fists”.
Cain shut everybody up, but they still keep talking it amazes me! I have been on Cains wagon since he started and now im glad he is doing what it tkaes to shut people up. Dominated Kongo on the ground and took his best shots in the process, he beat the shit out of Rothwell and dismantled a legend in Nog; what else is he supposed to do.
For me, Cian has done enough and has truly arrived. He is the TRUE #1 contender and Carwin and Mir do not get to face Lesnar next IMHO!!! Mir just gott whooped in his last shot and Carwin has not had the succes that Cain has had, not by a long shot. Let Mir and Carwin go ahead and have theri little interim title match and let Cain headline against Lesnay in June. THEN you can have the winner of Lesnar vs Velasquez fight the winner of Mir vs Carwin, thats the way it SHOULD BE!!!
I hoenstly beleive that the chances othat happening now are very very good. Cain barely broek a sweat in this fight so he is ready to go. Lesnar shoudl be healthy by June and Mir and Carwin are fighting in late March!!! That fight shoudl be good and i dont see that one ending qucik and the winner might come out with a suspension depending on how qlong or brutal the fight is. I do nbot think that 2 and half months is enough time for either Mir or Carwin to prepar for Brock! So i really feel that Lesnar vs Velasquez wull headline the Juen PPV in Vegas and it is gonna be a war and we are going to have a new champion! WAR CAIN all mf day!!!
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Agreed
Cain is the real deal, always been a fan of his as well and some of the criticism that he’s faced has been absurd, if there was any justice then it’d be him or JDS getting the next title shot. Them 2 are the real threats to Brock’s belt, not the 2 jokers who seem obsessed with Brock.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
lol at anybody beating Brock unless its a submission. I think Lesnar would destroy Carwin Cain Fedor. going to be some great fights for sure. i want Mir to win.
I was a fool to think Bisping had any chance against the Axe Murderer, and even more foolish to bet agaisnt the great Puck Head.
Let's get one thing straight....
Nobody is going to “destroy” Cain. I think Cain is going to beat Lesnar, but i’m a bit biased. If I were to look at that matchup objectively, i think anyone fighting Lesnar is an underdog……but no way Brock is going to destroy Cain. Hell, i think Cain just showed he’s anything but one-dimensional, which Lesnar has yet to prove….. Cain is a fvckin wrecking machine, and he’s going to be HW champ.
Brown Pride >The Nogfather
lol at my nes pic and sig
I was a fool to think Bisping had any chance against the Axe Murderer, and even more foolish to bet agaisnt the great Puck Head.
Almost as good as frosnt's
Can’t beat making one of Andy’s critics praise him for a month.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Total shocker
Not that Cain won, but that it looked so easy. His hands have caught up to his wrestling which is scary.
Hadoken!!
Mir / Cain
Mir vs Cain – That is the fight that would justify Cain in a title fight.
No offense to Nog, but his standup has not improved. A tough chin isn’t going to compensate.
I think Carwin will lose against Mir and his hype will end there…If he doesn’t pull a lucky punch.
JDS has yet to be tested. He is below Cain in my book until he has some top tier fights.
Cains standup looked text book perfect against Nog. Then again, Nog looked like a stiff board.
How would Cain fair against Brock? Brocks size, wrestling and speed are still unmatched.
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How's he not been tested?
He faced a consensus top 10 HW and at the time a top 5 HW in the UFC in his first fight and KO’d him in the first world, he’s also KO’d a good young prospect in Struve and world class kickboxers in Cro Cop and Yvel, both of whom were picked by a lot of people before JDS destroyed them. He’s done a lot more than Carwin or Mir and is right up there with Cain at the top of the division in my opinion, both of them deserve a title fight a lot more than the 2 guys that are being given the chance.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I'm not convinced Brock has much except for get side control and hammerfist.
These new heavy-weights are getting nearly as big as him.
I’m not convinced Brock will so easily dominate next time. I think Herring would’ve been a lot tougher for Brock had he not had run into Brock’s fist with so much momentum.
Both Mir and Randy were considerably smaller than Brock. Those fights almost don’t even count.
I want to see JDS, Cain, and Carwin all fight Brock. I think Brock would have a hard time wth these 3 guys.
impressive ko
cain finished the fight
too bad heath herring didnt take his opportunity to do that to nog in his octagon debut
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was.
i know im gonna catch hell buuuuttttt.....
i think all this talk about wat cain could do to brock lesnar is crazy cause guess wat boys and girls frank mir can whoop em all and has the best chance against lesnar now that hes decided to bulk up….bar none
by hitemwiturgroin on Feb 22, 2010 6:40 AM EST reply actions
yes, you are going to catch hell......
because Mir is not going to whoop em all, and the additional bulk he’s putting on isn’t going to change the outcome against Lesnar. Trust me, i would love to see Lesnar get beat, but I don’t think Mir is the guy to do it. Lesnar has a good enuff ground game to nullify Mir’s BJJ, and I don’t think Mir’s standup is good enough to dominate anyone but a staph-infected Noguiera. The only guys with even a chance of threatening Lesnar are Cain and JDS, and JDS’s ground game is as much of a mystery as Brock’s standup, as neither have really had a chance to show it. Cain is going to whoop em all anyway, so it doesn’t matter…..
Brown Pride >The Nogfather
doesnt anyone pay attention? Cain is most likely getting brock next, due to mir fight being far off still. I agree jr and cain should not fight yet, they each deserve title shots cain first. Cain weighed in more than nog, he was in the 246 range, so there is no more reason to question cains weight or power.
I bet cain could take brock down. its hard to say, but in a 5 rd fight and impoved head movement and striking, he could outwork brock imo.
by fedor spiderush st.gracie on Feb 22, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions
all im saying is
mir is looking very impressive and if he defeats carwin in a similar fashion as the way he defeated kongo then i say mir vs jds or cain then the winner gets lesnar
by hitemwiturgroin on Feb 23, 2010 4:56 AM EST reply actions
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