Congratulations Wanderlei -- but Michael Bisping thinks he won the fight
by Jesse Holland on Feb 21, 2010 10:24 AM EST
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Props: UFC 110 post-fight press conference
Quoteworthy:
"It was a close fight. Personally, I think I won rounds one and two. Congratulations to him. Full credit to him on winning the fight. Personally, apart from the guillotine, and I got dropped in the third round, but apart from the guillotine attempt off the takedown in the second round, as far as round two, I really didn't have any offense come my way. I felt I clearly won those two rounds. I'm a little annoyed, you know? I don't come here to put on a good performance. I come here to win. Winning is what's important. We don't put all this effort in to lose to a good fight or a good performance. Yes, Wanderlei is a legend, and I was very proud to be in there with him, but I'm a little disappointed right now. I lost tonight. I'm pissed off about that. I don't train this hard to get losses. But I want to get back in there ASAP and fight another good name and get back to my winning ways."
A dejected Michael Bisping reflects on his UFC 110 loss to Wanderlei Silva during the event's post-fight press conference last Saturday night (Feb. 20). The Wolfslair product concedes that he nearly succumbed to the Brazilian on two separate occasions when "The Axe Murderer" strangled the TUF star with a punishing guillotine to close out the second round and then again had a stoppage within reach after dropping the Brit in the waning seconds of the fight. Both times Bisping was saved by the bell but really didn't see any part of the fight that he didn't control outside of those two isolated incidents. Any fight fans out there siding with "The Count?"
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close fight
I wouldn’t have argued with any dec…but I think Bisping was right when he said getting knocked down at the end lost him the fight…I think Wandy would’ve finished him given 2o more seconds
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Bisping is an expert at ineffective striking.
He punches like a shrimp, was extremely surprised to see Wand sit back for as long as he did, he could’ve just walked right through Bisping’s punches at anytime and blast him but he didn’t up until the last 10-15 secs of each round. Wand has lost his edge and looks a bit too nice these days, he should however have got the decision even without the knockdown at the end, Bisping is like Forrest but even worse, punching while up in the air jumping around scared of getting hit, very frustrating to watch and shouldn’t be considered to be so effective by the judges.
Bizzy had however improved a bit and if he would only have some bad intentions in his attack wand wouldn’t have had the balls to rush him at the end.
come on maaayn.
I agree with your comments, except for the Forrest comment.
Wandy looked dominant when he was aggressive. you could tell before the fight Wandy didn’t look as mean as his old self. he lost the edge.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
The thing is
That Bispings strikes were really effective, because they were landing. The second nicest punch in the fight actually came from Bisping, and the nicest kick. His power does need improvement, but those weak shots do still score points, if combined with takedowns. I really think Mike won until the last 10 seconds, which is a bummer.
by theworldismine on Feb 21, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Bisping was owned and saved by the bell twice
Wandy changed his game and looked good for the first time being used, two legs kicks caught and bisping dropped were sweet moves on Wandy’s part the end of the fight wasn’t the first time Bisping was hit by a powerfull strike and dazed as Wandy never was harmed in any way this fight. Total control and easy decision by the judges.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
I think
Your a Wandy fan, because if Bisping did anything, it was control the fights pace. And there actually was a very hard punch that rocked Wandy, and a hard head Kick. Wandy won becuase of the guillotine and the knockdown at the end. The first two rounds Bisping controlled and won though, simply.
by theworldismine on Feb 21, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wandy stuffed a few takedowns and got right back up when he got taken down.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
i personaly think mike won the fight.......
but it was a very close fight, bisping went for all the td’s, and wandy did stuff alot of them, but wandy did have two fight ending moments, i would like to see the stats for the fight, sorry if they have been posted, still at the top of the thread……
love, don't hate - freedom
freedom is not a nasty person, speak sense to him and he's fine - elvis presley
by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 21, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
which part of the UK are you from? lol
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
the part where a person doesn't get hated because he's not american.....
also the part where you can view something objectively, and make your own mind up about something, and have an opinion that is realistic and your own.
not the part where you are railroaded by bullies into agreeing with some dip shit idiot that sits infront of his computer all day, that is probably 16 stone by the time he is 9, and never trained in his life.
and also not the part that has pre concieved ideas about everything and anything that goes on in the world……..
love, don't hate - freedom
freedom is not a nasty person, speak sense to him and he's fine - elvis presley
by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 21, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha
Exactly you guys are so biased its not even funny.
by theworldismine on Feb 21, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the fight and Bisping was back peddling more than Wandy?
You can’t control a fighter like Wandy with jabs. Not to mention all the leg kicks Wandy threw. What fight were you watching LOL. I was in a bar with 70+ fans and every comment I heard ws how dominating Wandy looked over the brit as for some reason Bisping was a fauvorite with many of them LOL?
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
opinions are opinions p**ck head, sorry puck, my finger slipped lol, joking.....sorry
but it was a really close fight, and imo mike won, but wanderlei did have 2 fight ending opportunities…..a decision either way or a draw, can’t really be argued with….but wandy won in the judges eyes, and thats all that counts….did you have a good night?
love, don't hate - freedom
freedom is not a nasty person, speak sense to him and he's fine - elvis presley
by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 21, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Bisping has nothing to hang his head about
He was lucky to be saved by the bell twice he should actually be counting his blessings this goes down as a decision loss.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
That
is one comment I agree on. I still think Bisping out striked Wandy though and outpaced him.
by theworldismine on Feb 21, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Bisping was lucky to survive, there is no way that he won the fight.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Off Topic : Got a new poll. Give me your thoughts. Thanks.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
i hate that saying
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Same here
That and “anything can happen in MMA” are pet peeves of mine. I cringe everytime I hear them and they are always used to justify nonsensical points and decisions.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Puncher's chance is the other one
That term is so overused it’s ridiculous and I always cringe when people describe quality strikers as only having a puncher’s chance in the fight, you wouldn’t say that a BJJ black belt has a grappler’s chance. You’d think that being a good striker was a bad thing reading some of the lazy puncher’s chance comments.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
very close
if bisping hadnt of got caught in the guillotine and kept top position with a bit of gnp till the bell he wins the fight.thats what cost him the fight imo,he lost round 3 without the flurry to be fair.
what goes around comes around
Wand lost a close one to Rich
Bisping won a close one against Hamill
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
It wasn't that close
Wandy was never rocked or in any harm what so ever, were Bisping was saved by the bell twice(and being choked out will award Wandy points even though he was saved by the bell) and rocked earlier in the fight. Sure bisping had a many straight jabs but none of them had any power behind them. In the end Bisping was schooled.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
He looked good in the first round and had me worried but Wand comfortably won the latter 2 rounds
He was the one doing the damage in rounds 2 and 3 and was the one who almost got the finish on 2 occasions. I have no idea why anyone would think that Bisping won that fight, it was a clear 29-28 win for Wand.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Puck is compeletly full of BS for anyone reading this without seeing the fight.
Bisping did way better than expected and had every Wand fan nervous until the decision was announced, even Wand looked extremely surprised that he got the nod and cryed like a little girl with a skinned knee during the Rogan interview.
JRE LOL
Bisping did the same as he did against Hendo but was better at circling the other way. Wandy was always coming forward and Bisping was mostly backing away? I don’t think the Bisping strikes were of any concern to Wandy. Bad judging I was a little nervous who know maybe they would consider a little jab the same as a hook? But other than that no Wandy was in complete control after the first.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
what fight did you watch?
IMO Silva deserved the W. But…
To say Bisping spent his time back peddeling is just bigotry.
Bisping took the centre every round he was trying to plant himself…
this was a great fight..we will see a second. both fighters deserve credit for the way they performed. extra for Wand for (deservedly) winning the fight.
As Ive siad before the things that impressed me where:
Wanderlie’s conditioning
Bispings power
Bisping power?
Wandy’s conditioning has always been good and before he only could breath trew his mouth now he can use his nose. Like I said before Bisping is lucky this even went to a decision as he was saved by the bell twice. Unable to keep Wandy down when he did get him down was Bispings only real high light he had one shot that stunned Wandy for a moment but thats about it. The first round Bisping did well but Wandy was just getting the rust off.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Bisping Had..
Changed his style …just like Wand, he had Wand rocked in the first..if he punches like a pussy that would not have happened.
In laymans terms power = speed over strength Bisping is fast and strong the missing factor is technique.
Confused
Is right, you guys just dont like Bisping
by theworldismine on Feb 21, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I like Bisping
I don’t judge a fighters skill by what they say, I might judge there character but not there skill. Like everyone else on here I watched the fight and I happened to watch it with 70 other fans and the consensus before the result was Wandy won.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
I agree..
..Wandy won the fight.
But please tell me that you where impressed with Bisping Puck, he fought well and it was close. How can anyone say he is a bad fighter?.
I understand that you think he is a dick but as far as the fights are concerned he can compete with any one outside of belfort and (A) silva.
I repeat Puck is FULL of BS
good spin though. your good at making something sound completely different than it really was and with conviction as if you actually believe it. You could be a lawyer. Funny how you never mention the obvious damage on Wand’s face from the punches that Bisping wasnt throwing. Enjoy your day of trying to convince people of what you wish would have happened. But I guess since you watched with your “70” friends and i’m sure you guys had time after the fight and before the decision for everyone to deliberate together and form a group concensus that trumps anyone else’s opinion unless they were watching with more than 70 well informed and knowledgeable fans, as you were (which I have a hard time believing)
JRE
…You have too much time on your hands..
Dude that took like 2 minutes to type.
And if i’m not mistaken you have a few more posts up than me, but your just confused so no one expects a realistic account from you. just f*ckin around
Anyone..
,,who reads my posts knows Im no fanboy.
I dont get invilved in bitchin’ posts
I like you JRE..keep postin’ but please dont call me out.
Seems like your too defensive about not being a fanboy,
which of course leads me to believe that you are indeed a fanboy. Who says “please dont call me out” anyway? especially after addressing me out of the blue? I find myself wondering if you meant that as some kind of threat or something…. By the way when i said " just f*ckin around", that meant i was joking, I take that back…
JRE please stop your crying
Bisping is a great fighter I will not deny that but Wandy is one of the greatest ever to live he may not be in his prime but he is still a great fighter and only time will tell if he can improve or this will be the best Wandy we will see? As for Bisping he has lots of room to improve and is not at his full potential.
`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire
Bisping looked good in the first round, taking Wand down at will and even hurt him at one point
However rounds 2 and 3 were clearly Wand’s, he was the one who landed the better strikes, did more damage on the ground and almost finished the fight at the end of both rounds. I was celebrating Wand’s win before the verdict and I scored it exactly the same as all 3 judges as well as anyone with any sense. Anyone who did not think that Wand won that fight is talking absolute nonsense and is either a bitter Bisping fan or doesn’t know how to score a fight.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
I don’t mind the decision, it was close. Anyone who says it’s clear-cut either way is kidding themselves. I think they were evenly matched, and I think all in all, this was one of the harder cards to call.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
this just shows how
ALL MAIN CARD FIGHTS SHOULD BE 5 ROUNDS
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
this just shows how.....
maybe all main card fights should be six minutes. That would have made the difference too. Or maybe all main card fights should…. aww just shut the fudge up.
Bisping, want some cheese to go with that whine???
And he wonders why so many people think he’s a ………. Round one, maybe he took it, but round two and three were Siva all the way. He was the more aggresive fighter the whole fight, did more damage, and nearly ended the fight twice. Will we ever see Bisping lose and be a man about it?
Exactly
And no we won’t because Bisping is a dick head who doesn’t know the meaning of being a man.
"If I could change my name what would it be? Jesus"
Tito Ortiz (seriously...)
you are starting to become really annoying david......
love, don't hate - freedom
freedom is not a nasty person, speak sense to him and he's fine - elvis presley
by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 21, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Why don’t you tell us what you really think David..lol.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
David your from England right?
Why dont you drive to the wolfslair and tell bisping all this to his face.
I have a feeling that you are a british MMA fighter who thinks he is better than bisping, remember bisping tooled everybody in cage rage if your record doesn’t have a zero at the end of it you are not as good as bisping….even potentially
Close fight Wand deserved the W but Bisping can hold his head high
can you please explain the definition of being a man to us david?
cos i would love to know.
love, don't hate - freedom
freedom is not a nasty person, speak sense to him and he's fine - elvis presley
by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 21, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously david I would like a response
you are bitter to the point of the extreme i want to know why.
David..
..seems to have left the building.
I am truly upset at davids opinion so I will ask him the same question agian and again.
I guarantee you he is a frustrated fighter…only Bispings cast offs can be so bitter.
I'm not a fighter, just someone who doesn't believe in making excuses or complaining about defeats
I can’t stand people whining about decisions when they clearly lost. It’s disrespectful to your opponent and shows a lack of sportsmanship and character.
And I’ve got better things to do with my life than chase after people that I don’t like. I have an opinion and I’m vocal about it but I’m also not the sort of guy that follows people around, famous or not, just to tell them that I don’t like them.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Uh
What fight were you watching? The only good thing Wandy did in round 2 was the Guillotine attempt. Bisping pushed the pace in every round, landing more strikes and takedowns. I agree with the decision because of the last 10 seconds, but Bisping definitely won the first 2 rounds.
by theworldismine on Feb 21, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
he's nothin like Tito.
c’mon give Bisping a break, most guys who lose a close fight, think they won. Stevenson ran around with his hands up after he got dominated. Jardine was complaining he was still ok, after clearly gettin KTFO.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
you cant argue though we seen crazier things and the last 2 rounds of the fight with stevenson were more even then the first round was george clearly won that fight though
the Bisping/Wandy fight was closer than Sotiropoulos/Stevenson.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
I'm amazed that Bisping is saying these things
Even I didn’t think that he was this much of a dick head, he clearly lost rounds 2 and 3 and he has no right to complain about the result of this fight, nevermind the fact that he was gifted a decision win himself in the past. There is no justification for giving Bisping the win.
"If I could change my name what would it be? Jesus"
Tito Ortiz (seriously...)
give him a break. it was close enough.
he’s not the first to complain.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
He said the exact same thing after the Hamil fight and after the Rashad fight;
he’s dropped 2 decisions and won one controversial one; but he’s got the same thing to say about all 3 and that’s that he feels he won the fight, on the one hand I guess it’s a good mentality to never accept defeat but on the other I think he needs to learn to be more honest with himself.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 21, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I remember that Hamill fight
seen it a few times, and i still can’t see how they gave it to Bisping. he made some stupid comments, which he has apologized for. now, i dont remember much of the rashad fight, it ended in a split decision – so 1 judge thinks he won. in this fight, he came in very respectful, not talkin shit. he lost a close fight, and then says he thinks he won. he didn’t make excuses (like tito), he just has his opinion, which is a little skewed, but most fighters are like this. C’mon, this is nothin’ new with fighters. It’s an ego thing. I just think everyone is on the Bisping hate-wagon, so its easy to pick on him. Kos has the same rep, but i like that kid.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
It was close
But he was never really close to finishing Wand whereas he was close to getting finished twice, so while he’s got his own opinion on it, I don’t think he can sit there and say that he clearly won rds 1 and 2, rd 1 probably but rd 2 is a toss up. But like you said, it’s an ego thing.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 21, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just astounded that anyone could think that Bisping won
It was as clear as day that Wand won rounds 2 and 3 and I don’t know how Bisping can complain about this decision.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
maybe he just needs to watch the fight again.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
it was a really close fight
and could’ve gone either way in my opinion, though Wand came closer to finishing the fight i can see why Bisping could’ve won the first two rounds. as for contesting decisions any fighter would have something to say when a fight is that close. ie wanderlei after the rich franklin fight or rich franklin after the dan henderson fight. anyway, it was a great fight and either guy could’ve taken it.
by Herbiefroggle on Feb 21, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
For the record, I am no Bisping fan,
but I do think he held his own in this one. It could have been though, as much about Wandi’s declining skills and not so much about Bisping’s improvment.
At the end of the 2nd RD, Bisping’s cornerman told him not to worry, he was ’still ahead." This can be a dangerous statement in a close fight and can cause a fighter to change modes and fight ’not to lose." You have to pick your words very carefully.
annoying
love, don't hate - freedom
freedom is not a nasty person, speak sense to him and he's fine - elvis presley
by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 21, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way that was a UD!!
The simple fact that most of you hate him so much that you cant make a non-biased comment makes me want to throw up. Bisping was hit with two punches a few leg kicks and a choke. He also landed plenty of shots mixed with how many take downs. Maybe a split decision but Bisping won that fight as did Rich when he fought Hendo. I personally think this fight was given to Wand before it even started and I hate that, this had boxing written all over it.
obviously british
brock lesnar owns fedor's soul
by oliver_stoned on Feb 21, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
You think Bisping won that fight?
It was close, but i think Wandy did enough for the win. How can you score split decision?
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Complete and utter nonsense
Wand came close to finishing the fight twice, tripped Bisping twice, landed the better combinations and did the damage in rounds 2 and 3. Bisping’s striking and takedowns were effective in the first round but in rounds 2 and 3 he didn’t land as many notworthy strikes as Wand, never had him hurt and couldn’t keep him down, in fact he almost got submitted after one of his takedowns. I am astounded that anyone could question this decision.
"Not a lot of professional sports down here (in Australia)"
"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
While maybe not clear cut...
Wandy was clearly the aggressor after round 1 and made it close with the flurry at the end of rd. 1. He almost finished the fight 2 times, was walking through Bispings heavy handed punches (I laugh when people say he has KO’ power). You know he has come a long way since loosing to Hendo, but he still is packing pillows for fists. He did not even do much with his takedowns. Wandy stood right up, which imo shouldn’t amount to crap. Do the judges count the takedowns as heavily if the other fighter gets immediatly back up? I think a takedown should only count if you show some sense of control when you hit the ground.
Goldberg: Big Fist to the Thigh!
Rogan: I have never seen a hammer fist to the thigh before!"
How can you count the choke then…he ‘almost’ got the choke is similar to he ‘almost’ got an effective takedown.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
not the same thing
he had the choke, not “almost” had the choke. time just ran out. a choke is a fight-finsher, unlike a takedown, so it should count for more. that particular choke should count the same as the flurry Wandy had on Bisping at the end of the fight. both coulda ended the fight, but time ran out.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Tell Matt Hughes a takedown isn’t a finisher. Poor clock management is no excuse, Wand knows how long the rounds are. What if someone is winding up a giant right and the round ends, that could have been a fight finisher if the time hadn’t ran out.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
"Matt Hughes, a takedown is not a fight finisher"
when has Matt Hughes finished a guy with a takedown? never. and dont say Carlos Newton, that was a slam. Matt Hughes used takedowns for submissions and GNP. A takedown counts for points. Winding up for a punch??
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Could have is the key. Who knows, Bisping could have caugh Wandy in a triangle at the end…‘but time ran out’. The choke should count no more than anyother sub attempt that didn’t work. The knockdown however did prove to have real damage, as Bisping was knocked down.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
you're right, i dont give Wandy credit for finishing the sub, but he almost did.
it would be the same thing as if Wandy applied the sub early in the round and almost choked Bisping out, but Bisping gets out on his own. I give Wandy points for effective bjj. you get more points for almost finishing your opponent.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
You have to give the guy who got out of the sub points for effective BJJ as well. What is ‘almost’, who knows what would have happened if it went longer. Frank Shamrock had a takedown that resulted in a knockout back in the day…so it does happen.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Rampage also had a suplex that resulted in a finish back in Pride. The only point I’m really trying to get at is that although he wasn’t screwed by any means…it was a close fight and really could have gone either way.
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On a side note. I also think it’s funny how people love Wand after this fight. A lot of these same people hate when fighters wait until the last ten seconds and try and steal a round after doing almost nothing. This is exactly what Wand was doing last night. I like both fighters (maybe Bisping a little more) but I’m not a fan of that fight tactic. For the record, I do think Wand won, but it could have gone either way.
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bisping sucks and he always says this. what a loser. wand did great!!
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you just really messed up your words
by theworldismine on Feb 21, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
close fight
But I think that silva clearly won the the last 2 rounds and you can even make a case for him wining the first all and all good fight but silva was more dominant
Agreed. either 29-28 or 30-27 Wandy. But it was close all around. Wandy was close to finishing twice.
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Exactly
Bisping would’ve lost that fight given another 10-20 seconds of rd 2 or 3; I don’t see how he can say things like this when he was clearly on his way to a TKO special at the end of the 3rd rd and asking his corner whether or not he’d lost/there was another round at the end of the 2nd.
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by O damn he got caught on Feb 21, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
i've seen dominant performances where the loser thinks he won. sometimes its their corner tellin' them "you're winning this fight", when it's obvious they're losing.
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Exactly
There is no logical reason to complain about this decision, I’m honestly astonished that Bisping and some of his fans are questioning this decision.
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Against sub-par opponents he does well but when he gets into higher competition he fucks up everytime and theres always an escuse behind it. Dumb fucking brit
excuse? what was his excuse?
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F'n Brit!
What a giant douch bag! It was close but for him to come out with a commet like that shows is real dickish ways! WAR Wandi!!
Take the loss like a MAN!
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Wanderlei dominated rounds two and three and on two different occasions had Bisping about to tap out, no way in hell should “I won the fight” even come out of his mouth. Bisping has to face the fact that he’s not as great as he thinks. He lost to Matt Hamill as well!
by Sofa-King-Toasty on Feb 21, 2010 11:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wanderlai dominated nothing it was a close fight that could of went either way. it looked like Wanderlai just won round 2 and Bisping had to get the third but it was exactly like his fight with Rashad Evans were he didnt do enough but that was because he was scared of getting ko’d it seemed. as in the third he got about 4 takedowns stopped by Wanderlai so if he got a couple of them he would of maybe won and Wanderlai got up from the take down quick. Bisping looked good and composed in the first considering the crowd against him so he has learned something. Can’t wait to see there next fights and UFC 111 gonna be another good one
I was a fool to think Bisping had any chance against the Axe Murderer, and even more foolish to bet agaisnt the great Puck Head.
LOL Bisping was schooled toney
He never had Wandy hurt were he himself was rocked twice, Wandys leg kicks did more damage than Bispings strikes not to mention being saved by the bell twice. He was owned in every phase even when he got Wandy down he could hold him there as a matter of fact Wandy took down Bisping just as many times. 10 more seconds in the second or third round Wandy would of finished this fight but will have to settle for a easy decision. Bisping has no idea if he thinks jabs will win him the fights he sadly mistaken.
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Bisbing
Wonders why people hate on him so much. Take your loss like a man, admit you should have gone for the KO rather than the slap fest, don’t let it go the distance and you’re hitting the gym to try and make yourself better. Don’t make excuses when you don’t finish a fight.
the only thing you won was two saves by the bell.
I might give him round 1 but two and three for wandy for sure.
dont’ know what’ he’s talking about
Silva looked good. Looked like he’s learning to take his time and not be so wild with his punches all the time, which is a good and a bad thing. Good for him as it allows him to be in less dangerous positions, but bad for the fans that want to see him physically hurt someone, like Bisping.
I think he won the fight. Not by much, but he did win the fight.
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by helloGreenStar on Feb 21, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions
The old Wandy came out at the end
I liked his style he was in complete control besides knocking away the girly jabs(LOL) he wasn’t the agressive Wandy we are use to seeing. I think he should bring out the old Wandy a little more in the fight not jsut near the end but use the old Wandy as a change up in the fight. I’ll be very interested in seeing him in the future I wonder if this will give him a shot at Sonnen?
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Nah he's facing Sexyama next
Wand’s TDD needs to be a lot better if he’s going to beat Sonnen, he’s a much better striker but it was worrying seeing Bisping take him down as there are much better wrestlers than him in the MW division and Chael has the best wrestling in the division now that Hendo’s in SF.
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"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
Dana White, proving that he's clueless about Australian sports, has never heard of Fedor and is still trying to hype up TUF 10.
Just for all the Bisping haters, saying he’s a ‘giant douche’, ‘dumb brit’ or whatever other intelligent comment you’ve come up with, just read over the comment again. He congratulates Wanderlei on the win, but merely states he felt he won the fight, as Wanderlei did after the Rich Franklin fight. Many fighters come out and say they feel they won the fight after a decision, but I’m sure they don’t get the grief Bisping receives.
The man could give half his purse to charity and he’d still be called an arrogant, overrated Brit. As for the Hamill fight, it was 3 years ago! Let it be.
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Great post, Kenwoo.
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agree 100 %
fucking idiots…….
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by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 21, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Don 't agree at all
he has no room to say he won this fight when he knows he was done in the 3rd; I don’t care what you say; HE WAS DONE. At the end of the 3rd he knows he was ko’d watch the fight again, and watch after the 3rd rd, if you pay attention; when Bisping hugs Wanderlei he says “congratulations” as in he knows he lost, and he knows he was beaten. Lets not pretend as if this was a draw, because it wasn’t. It was a close back n forth fight, but there were 2 opportunities for Wand to finish it and none for Bisping. He looked good, but he did not come close to being the victor.
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by O damn he got caught on Feb 21, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
If this fight had continued 10-12 seconds it was over..
Bisping was done at the end of Rd 3, I dont’ see how anyone can argue that, he was DONE. 10-12 more seconds and it was a TKO if not sooner.
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by O damn he got caught on Feb 21, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
The fact is that there are set times for the rounds, so there is really no point in saying if the round was such and such longer. Wand won without the ‘extra’ time anyways, and I don’t think there are many people arguing that. Most people are just saying that it was a close fight, which it was. I think it’s in response to some people thinking that Wand won easily, which he didn’t.
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If you read the post OD...
Its actually in relation to the hate he’s received, not the result of the fight. I know Wanderlei won, I’m just saying Bisping did enough in the fight to believe he MAY have edged the decision without being chastised for those beliefs.
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I did think overall that Wanderlei won 2 rounds to one, but...
.. for those of you who think Bisping or his fans are completely misguided on thinking he won the fight, check out the Fightmetric stats on bloodyelbow (sorry for plugging this). From Mike Fagan:
How can you say Silva was CLEARLY the better fighter?
Fighter A – 38 strikes landed, 27 strikes to the head, 7 strikes to the body, 4 strikes to the legs, 5/9 takedown attempts, 1 pass to side mount
Fighter B – 47 strikes landed, 20 strikes to the head, 5 strikes to the body, 22 strikes to the legs, 1/1 takedown attempts, 1 pass to half guard, 1 near submission
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Wand definitely won this fight
But I was not impressed with him. Having this hard a time against Bisping doesn’t speak well of his future chances.
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I agree, it was hard to be impressed with him! If you imagine the MW match-ups and compare them with what Bisping did; Anderson Silva would hit him at will and probably finish him within the first, as would Vitor, Sonnen would take him down more easily than Bisping but would keep him down, Marquardt is much like Bisping (good all-round) but with power in abundance, I could go on..
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He changed his tactics
And for the first fight with his new tactics he did very well and will only improve. He was a little to patient in my opinion and could of attacked many times in the third like he did at the end but held back. A better mix of the old with new tactics I think would be best.
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Disagree. He went down in weight for an older guy, changed camps, defended TDs, had a sub attempt that would have ended the fight if there was more time left and would have ended the fight on a KO in the 3rd if there was more time. You are too harsh.
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I agree and like always he was the aggressor
I think he could of been a little more aggressive in the third and finished it much earlier? He’s been out as well for some time and the first round was more of a warm up round for Wandy.
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Agreed
If he’d have been more aggressive then Wand would have KO’d Bisping. It wasn’t his best performance but it wasn’t bad by any means either, I don’t think that he’s going to be a champion again as Andy, Vitor, Sonnen and Nate are too good but he still has a lot of fight left in him and is far from done.
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"We just had our best season (of TUF) last season and it was season 10"
"Nogueira is probabaly the best HW of all time"
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29-28
Wandy. It was the right decision, and it was a VERY close fight I think is the most non confrontational way to say this.
Round 2 and three were clearly won by Wandy even by all three judges
Bisping never had an opportunity to finish the fight ever.
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it was a close fight
But wand clearly won rounds 2 & 3. I don’t understand how Bisping can say this now and act suprised when he heard the decision , he congratulated wandy right after the fight was over. That being said, I have a renewed respect for Bispings ability.
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by PSYQO78 on Feb 21, 2010 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bisping also said if not for the knockdown at the end, he would have won, which is very conceivable.
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he congratulated him before the winner was even announced!
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by PSYQO78 on Feb 21, 2010 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wandy cleary won rounds 2 and 3…bisbing won round 1. 29-28 unanimous decision is the right decisioin by the judges.
the reason most people jump on bisbing is cause each time he loses he always says he won the fight. which if he was a man and would just be like i lost and will train better and fight better next time like most fighters do than nobody would jump down his back.
mm-eh you are fucking retarded. not one thing you said made any sence at all. it amazes me how much people on these sites try to be know it alls when in fact its the people like you who site behind a computer screen and alls you do it type like a bad-ass and watch mma videos than you think you know everything. get yourself off your ass and into a gym
Dude, you’re too funny. First of all, for all you know I could be a world beater athelete who trains everyday. So don’t come on here with your dumb-ass assumptions. What exactly have I said that doesn’t make sense either. All I was saying above is that people put a lot of stock into subs attempted at the end of the round when there is no possibility of finishing. What in that statement is wrong. It’s funny you call me a retard, when you say ‘alls’ and clearly have very basic reading skills. I’ll say it again…did Wand win- yes…should he have- yes….Did Bisping do well for a guy that 90% of people on here were saying wouldn’t make it out of round 1…most definitely.
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by PSYQO78 on Feb 21, 2010 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i was talkin to mm-eh puck. i like you. normally always have agreed with you. dont really have all the time to post on here as much as all of the regulars do but do check it almost everyday. i train in nj so really dont have all the time in the world to spare cause im fully commited to training. just figured id give alittle back ground to you and whom ever else wanted to know
Note to Bisping
Stop being a pussy and trying to win on points, and start swing your hands like they are meant to hurt someone.
If you tap-tap for 15 minutes, STFU about any judges decisions.
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Wand won all 3 rounds! Any1 who thinks the fight cud have went either needs their head examined!
Bisping was barley able 2 get up after Wand had that sick ass choke on him before he was saved by the bell! The was seconds away from getting his lights put out in the 3rd!
by d*locc on Feb 21, 2010 5:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bisbing nearly got his head taken off at the end of the first round too?
Bisbing never threatened to end it the whole fight, like most of his other fights. He got saved by the bell three times and he says he shoudv’e won? No wonder nobody likes him. Way to go WANDY! We will always cheer for you!!!!
Ummm winning buy points decision is still a win
Bisping tagged Wandi more times than Wandi tagged Bisping. While Bisping doesn’t have KO power he was on his way to a decision victory up until the last 30 seconds of the fight when he stopped pushing the pace and gave Wandi a window of opportunity. How many guys have controlled the pace against Wandi.
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Wand needs to go back to 205
Wand was drained from the weight-cut again and had to pace himself the whole fight again. He just isn’t good at cutting weight. If Wand had fought Rich and Mike at 205 he would have KOed them both.
Unlucky Bisping
I cant stand Bisping but he won a lot of respect in that fight with me. You could tell he leant from the mistakes made against Hendo.
I agree with others- Bisping set the pace and I believe he won the first 2 rounds and the third round was so close that it was decided in the final 20-30 seconds when Wandi pushed the pace and got the knock down. I had money on Wandi to win but I think I was lucky to collect. Good job to Bisping because like a lot of others I didn’t think he would get out of the first round. And as a patriotic Aussie I thought George was fucking awesome and how bout the balls on Anthony Perosh….out classed and out of his weight divison againts a heavy weight Universal Soldier in Mirko Cro Cop.
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bisbing had a couple of weak takedowns, Wandy wanted to take his head off.
Bisbing is a runner for the most part. How can you say he even came close to winning this fight? Unbelievable, granted Wandy should have bum rushed him sooner and ended it but the only thing that saved Bisbing was the bell in all three rounds.
Another thing
It would have been a sad day in MMA world when a man like Wanderlai would go out after a career like his to lose to a MIcheal Bisbing. That would have been too sad. Bisbing is a schmuck.
I think Bisping won...
because logic completely eludes me. So what if Wanderlei pressed the pace more? So what if Wand had the fight won by TKO had there been 5 more seconds? So what if he had a DEEP guillotine choke in and Bisping was wobbly at the end of that round? I’m sorry but if you think Bisping won that fight, you are entitled to your opinion, but you should keep your day job. The only reason we are talking about this is because Bisping was spoon-fed can after can after he won the ultimate fighter, to build up the British market, and make him look like an elite fighter. The guys biggest win is either against Dennis Kang or Chris Leben. He’s always gotten more credit than he deserves.
Thankyou
To those who are forgetting their biases and admitting Bisping fought a good fight. Puck Head can go fuck himself
by theworldismine on Feb 21, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions
Bisping... wow?
I think its cause he got his brain rattled too much and almost went out from that arm in guillotine. He got man handled… he got what? one take down? then Silva bounced up like nothing and continued to beat on him or have him back peddling. Silva 30-27 in my books.
and he even kicked him in the groin and stuck his finger in his eye… it happens i know but he still managed to dominate bisping.. hes never fought big names and win he does he gets KO’d (Henderson) He won that fight in his dreams… hes just doesnt have the KO power…. hes got good heart though.
by Sam Maggard on Feb 22, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
5 TDs according to the stats actually
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