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UFC 110: Is it the end of PRIDE -- or a new beginning?

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Nostradumbass here. I was taking a closer look at the significance of the UFC 110 fight card as it pertains to the careers of three PRIDE FC greats: Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva and Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira.

And as usual, an MMA Maniac beat me to the punch.

"Spinning Fat Kick" has a nice breakdown of their pending match-ups from the Acer Arena in Sydney, Australia. All three warriors made their names in the Japanese fight scene and have also all held one form of championship gold overseas.

And for you numbers guys (and gals), chew on this: They have a combined record of 89-22. They've finished a staggering 70 of those 89 victims: 26 by submission and 44 by way of (technical) knockout. Tonight's homework is to find three homegrown UFC fighters that can match those numbers.

While "Minotauro" Nogueira is the only transplant (of these three) to sport a winning record under the Zuffa banner, they once again find themselves on the main card of a UFC pay-per-view. Of course, all three are in their thirties and have enjoyed a tremendous amount of success (and some heartbreaking failure).

Can they make one last run at Octagon greatness? Or will Saturday night be the final nail in the PRIDE coffin? SFK takes a closer look at the PRIDE parlay and the chances of a clean sweep after the jump.

Star-divide

Spinning Fat Kick here. Let's have at it.

265 lbs.: Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic vs. "Big" Ben Rothwell

In Mirko's second UFC fight he found himself on the receiving end of a devastating knock out, the likes of which he is famous for usually dishing out. Since then he's gone back and forth from Japan picking up three wins, two losses and one no contest on the way. His most recent loss came at the hands of a Blackhouse stand out, touted by many as a future champion, Junior Dos Santos.

I for one don't see any shame in losing to a top heavyweight (HW) like "Cigano" in the fashion that he did.

Physically he was holding his own and firmly shut Junior's eye for probably the best part of a week. However, mentally, he never really seemed to go after the fight, more often than not on the back foot and trying to avoid exchanging.

I don't have any doubts myself that Mirko physically still has the ability to win fights against the likes of Rothwell and be a factor at HW. It comes down to whether he shares my confidence and how badly he wants to carry on fighting after almost a decade of pro MMA, but nobody knows that except the man himself.

A convincing win over Rothwell could really spark a return to form for Cro Cop and shake off any cobwebs lingering in the back of his mind. However, a loss to a fighter of Ben's calibre could spell disaster for his confidence (and mine) going into future fights.

185 lbs.: Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva vs. Michael "The Count" Bisping

Wanderlei is 1-5 in his last six fights. At first glance, that is a pretty damning assessment of Wanderlei's form. But when you look a little deeper, you see that things aren't all as bad as they seem. His last six fights have been against a pre-Gonzaga Cro Cop (CC), Dan Henderson, Chuck Liddell, Keith Jardine, Quinton Jackson and Rich Franklin. Dropping decision losses to "The Iceman" and "Ace" and KO losses to CC, "Hendo" and "Rampage".

I for one don't see that list as any indicator that Wanderlei can't hang with the likes of Bisping. Most people have never fought that many champions in their entire career, let alone in their last six fights. Realistically most people are in danger of getting KO'd by CC, Hendo and 'Page and there is no shame in going the distance with Chuck and Rich.

I’m still backing "Wandy," I think that he’s finally settled in the states, his gym is running smoothly and he is back training with Chute box guys like Raphael Cordeiro. The stage is well and truly set for him and this is Wandy's easiest fight in probably four years.

Basically what I’m saying is that if Wandy can’t make a come back now, then I doubt he ever will. But I’m pretty sure that he can do this. Not necessarily via one punch KO, but he should win this fight. However Wandy at 185-pounds is an unknown entity and that is the only reservation I have. But we can't make a judgement on that until fight night, so for now I'll stay on the "Wand wagon."

265 lbs.: Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira vs. Cain Velasquez

Of all the PRIDE fighters on this card, "Big Nog" is the one whom I have most confidence in. He looks to be in fantastic shape, has performed in the UFC to a standard that most ex-PRIDE fighters can only aspire to and on paper has an advantage in almost every area of the fight.

Cain's only advantage is that he can more than likely control where the fight takes place. However, whether standing or on the ground, I would put Cain at a disadvantage in either position. The way I am looking at it, the only way Cain can end this fight, is by over whelming Nogueira, something that is seemingly impossible. He may well be hoping for a decision win, but staying on top of Big Nog for 15 minutes without getting caught in a submission is a pretty tall order.

Nog's biggest task on Saturday is to silence the critics. Following a prolonged struggle against a severe staph infection, which resulted in poor form and an insufficient  training camp, Nog suffered a TKO loss to current title contender Frank Mir. Many "experts" have decided that Nog is "done," saying that he no longer has the speed, athleticism and endurance to take on the UFC's best. I honestly believe that this fight is going to shut a lot of mouths and shoot Nogueira straight back into title contention.

Whether or not I believe all this because Mirko, Wandy and Nog are three old favorites of mine or if it's because everything I just said is true, I'm still hoping for a return to form for three greats of the sport.

-SFK

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It’s risky. I wouldn’t do it. One of them is bound to lose.

My breakout fighter for this coming year: Terry Etim

Upset of the Year: John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez

by Synyster_08 on Feb 18, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Pride has been done for years but the memories will remain with a many of us fans our lifetime.

  These fighters are individuals and I personally never took the stance or this being Pride vs ever.

`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire

by Puck Head on Feb 18, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

*whoever

`Common sense is not so common - Voltaire

by Puck Head on Feb 18, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I can watch the PRIDE decade day in day out forever....and i already kinda do.

But i like the breakdown minus the cro cop mental issues. I dont really believe in those intangible factors unless there is obvious cause for them aka a disease, a drug addiction, etc… After his loss the JDS, it was put into perspective for me that it was technical nuances that were the cause of Cro Cop’s defeats more so than a physical or mental breakdown. Which i why i doubt that he’ll have issues with Big Ben. Ben simply doesn’t bring the hand skills necessary to shut him down or make enough adjustmenst to take advantage of these long standing bad habits that cro cop has had.- Much like liddell he had big success because in MMA he never faced strikers of good enough caliber and strategy that could make him pay for these mistakes until he got to the UFC.

by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 18, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Nog is still in the game

I think Nog is a lock for this fight. Seriously what does Cain have for him? SFK said that he has the wrestling advatage but so what? So did Randy.

He will get swept or tapped if he sits in Nogs guard and doesn’t have fook all stand up from where I am sitting.

When it comes to the other two ex priders i am not so sure. Cro cop in my eyes has lost the hunger which is damning for a fighter. Wand on the other hand is desperate for the win but I worry about the cut + bispings cardio. I think if Bisping can make it through the inital flurry it is his fight to lose.

Rule 1 of mma blogging is that if you don’t support, pick or swear your allegance to the former pride fighters then you are a noob and UFC droid. I am neither but i am afraid to say that this weekend is going to be an eye opener for a few of the old school fans.

Learn like you'll live forever, live like you'll die tomorrow.

by Nick-J on Feb 18, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

To say Nog is a lock for this fight is pretty silly… The only way he can win is by submission, and Cain has obviously been training his ass off for that. Kongo could not KO Cain, so its pretty safe to say that Nog isn’t going to either. On the other hand, Cain has the chance to win by either TKO stoppage or decision (most likely from out wrestling Nog for three rounds).

So just looking at the odds, 2 chances to 1, you can’t be very certain. It will be an awesome fight though.

by seinkonnen on Feb 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Well i am not sure about that.

So nog can’t win by TKO or stoppage either then? Not everything on the ground is submissions. While we’re on that subject, how is Cains submission defence? Oh he has never been tested and he is now in the deep end with the best H/W submission guy in the history of mma.

Is Cains standup better than Nogs then? His chin? I would say no to both of those.

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by Nick-J on Feb 18, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Kongo tested the hell out of Cain’s chin and he managed…

And no, I don’t think Nog has a chance for a TKO stoppage because 1) Cain has a good chin and 2) Cain’s wrestling ability will get him out of tight spots.

Cains stand up might not be better, but I doubt he’s going to try and box with him all three rounds. He will wrestle and test Nog’s submission abilities.

If Nog doesn’t get a submission I really think it will be Cain by decision or TKO.

by seinkonnen on Feb 18, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

Kongo isn’t the elite striker people make him out to be… or even that good. Anyway, what happens with one fighter has no bearings on what happens in another match up.

I think that NOG can win this with some punches, but probably a submission. He’s tough as nails, and cain hasn’t shown any real power with his punching in the realm of taking out NOG.

However, if Cain has stepped up his striking, I could see him hitting NOG hard enough and pulling a Fedor. Cain is a lot like Fedor without the submissions, which he can learn. He just needs to bring up his striking game. Speed makes champions, not density (Brock).

If Cain wins over NOG I think he’ll go all the way and beat anybody they throw in front of him.

"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."

by At Least On Paper on Feb 18, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Kongo put Brown Pride on his ass every time he hit him. If Kongo had forced Brown Pride to stand up instead of going to the ground with an elite wrestler then Kongo gets an easy TKO in the first round.

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by P-Dub on Feb 18, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah P-Dub...you posted that as I was typing about Kongo being a dumbass

"If Tito would just use his head as a battering ram, he never lose"-Rampage

by Diceman on Feb 18, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

This fight is the reason I'm taking Nog over Cain.

Nog can finish Cain and is not afraid of going to the ground with him.

FUCK YOU TITO! - Mark Coleman

by MMACHAMP on Feb 18, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Cain is very relentless but just does not have the power to finish off people.

If Cain was not fighting Nog, I probably would take Brown Pride.

FUCK YOU TITO! - Mark Coleman

by MMACHAMP on Feb 18, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

you mean like the 6 guys he TKOd???

He finished 6 of his 7 fights by TKO, 4 of them in the 1st round. I’d say he has the power to finish people. But having the power to finish people, and having the power to finish Nog are two very different things. I don’t see how Cain is gonna do what Fedor, CroCop, and Hendo couldn’t do. Nog ate all their best shots and kept coming.

That said, if Steve Spazagatti is reffing, all bets are off! I could totally see that numbskull stopping a fight after Nog had only taken 3 or 4 punches from Sugar Cain.

by (shonuff) on Feb 19, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus Kongo is a mental midget

You can bet if Nog puts Cain on queer street like that he will finish the fight. I don’t know if Cain has a good chin as the only time it’s been hit he dropped. We all know Nog’s chin is legendary and I would be shocked to see Cain stop this fight. At Nick-J, I’m an “old school guy” and huge PRIDE fan, but I picked Bisping and Rothwell. When your time is up, your time is up, and that doesn’t have anything to do with anyone being a noob or UFC droid. I’ll be very surprised if Nog loses though.

"If Tito would just use his head as a battering ram, he never lose"-Rampage

by Diceman on Feb 18, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Never was around for PRIDE before it went under, but I doubt anyone will call me a noob.

But I think Nog can stop this fight by punches as well as a submission. One thing though, to we account for Nogs decision over Randy to be Randy’s surviving skills? Or has Nog’s finishing abilities weakened? Remember, he dropped Randy in the 1st round and almost immediatley jumped on to a D’arce/Brabo choke, which is, from what i understand, Nog’s specialty. He held on to that choke for a good bit and Randy held on to stand up. Also, Nog swept from full guard to full mount, but still was unable to hit an armbar or something. With Cain being strong, faster, and more explosive than Randy, I wonder if Nog will be able to catch him. I think if Nog gets a submission, it will be because Cain panics for a half second and then loses everything.

But on to Nog’s striking. It looked fantastic vs Randy, who’s known for some good head movement and not so bad boxing/chin himself. If you say Randy has a weak chin for getting KO’d by a prime Liddell twice then just shut up and dont even start. Likewise, Brock dropped him with a punch behind the ear and then the follow up tantrum for the stoppage. Vs Nog, Randy was OUT in the 3rd round. I thought the fight was over then. Nog’s boxing has evolved to it all time best now, and that will be a big factor in this fight, methinks. I think Nog can rock Cain like Kongo did, but once it goes to the mat, Nog wont let him rest.

Bottom line, I think Nog can win by Sub, but I think a TKO or decision is more likely. Cain will be entirely focused on defending submissions and whatnot, so I’ll go ahead and give him the credit that he’ll get out of those. But I dont think Cain wins this.

My breakout fighter for this coming year: Terry Etim

Upset of the Year: John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez

by Synyster_08 on Feb 18, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

I would say that’s Randys wrestlingstrength and survival-skills rather than Nogs finising ability. You can loose your punchingpower but you don’t loose your subtecniques. And if a sub is REALLY in, it’s in. Even if you are Ben Henderson.

by peseg on Feb 18, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Nog says

Randy’s submission/defense technique is excellent. When it comes to BJJ, technique > speed. And BJJ technique is the hardest to learn because of it’s many complexities. That’s where Cain’s inexperience will hurt him the most.

by (shonuff) on Feb 19, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article

enjoyed reading it!

"This is no haul for Jón Páll" - Jón Páll Sigmarsson (R.I.P.)

by Randy for Couture on Feb 18, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks man!!!

you’re the only one who said that but I’m glad someone did!

I won the signed Matt Serra Tee!!!! whoop whoop

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by Spinning Fat Kick on Feb 19, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Sig

Love your sig Syn. Picking the brits I see. I am from the UK and am arse deep in the UK mma scene, training on a regular basis with a number of the fighters. Hathaway has been a well kept secret for a long time and Etim is finally getting some props for the ability he has shown.

Hardy, Semtex and Bisping are the flag wavers but those in the know look elswhere for the future of UK fighters and none have more potential than Hathaway and Etim.

Learn like you'll live forever, live like you'll die tomorrow.

by Nick-J on Feb 18, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fosho.

Im not that big a fan of the big 3, Hardy Semtex and Ping. But I’ve been a fan of Etim since his early UFC career at UFC 70. I think they kinda threw him in deep to begin with, with battles vs Clementi and Tibau, but he got a big win over Stout, which looks better now than it did then. I would say 3 fights for Terry this year, each that will show marked improvement. From the looks of things, he’ll get another can or lesser known fighter, then a top 20, then a top 15 or so before the year’s done. So, maybe not a huge name on the resume, but by next year he’ll be getting talked about big time.

Hathaway, I’m picking the upset because Guida was able to put Diego on his back and arguably win 2 rounds. Hathaway wont be a punching bag like Guida was, and his GNP vs Story and Taylor was vicious. IF he doesn’t get star struck or intimidated by YES-Man, and if he sticks to a GNP gameplan, I think he can pound Diego for a 3 round decision. Call me crazy.

My breakout fighter for this coming year: Terry Etim

Upset of the Year: John Hathaway over Diego Sanchez

by Synyster_08 on Feb 18, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Etim looks impressive

I don’t understand why the UFC hasn’t promoted him better. He seems a more likely posterboy for the UK than Bisping, who is so universally despised.

Honestly, I know “The Count” has said some dumbass things, but I think the real reason people hate him is that people buck against the UFC showing favoritism towards certain fighters just to appeal to certain demographics. If you read the anti-Cain stuff, I think it’s not so much a knock on his skills but a backlash against the whole Brown Pride thing and him being pushed to the head of the line above fighers with more impressive resumes like Dos Santos. I think Bisping is both the beneficiary and victim of this same phenomenon. It goes against the American ideal of fairness and hard work to give a guy special treatment because of his ethnicity or nationality. Personally though, I think if anything the UFC is too Amero-centric and that Asians in particular have been conspicuously under-represented.

by (shonuff) on Feb 19, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fitch, GSP, Hughes...

“Tonight’s homework is to find three homegrown UFC fighters that can match those numbers.”

John Fitch, GSP, Matt Hughes… 86-12

They may not have fought more, but they’ve won more at 74 wins.

by seinkonnen on Feb 18, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

There goes a lot of decisions..

I doubt that even comes close to 70 finish’s

"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27

by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I crazy

or does 86-12 mean they have 86 wins and 12 losses? If so, why did you say 74 wins?

by Edgecrusher71 on Feb 18, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No you’re not crazy. I was thinking of win ratio sorry and it was too early to use proper math. I just subtracted for some reason, don’t ask me why.

by seinkonnen on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

lol yea

Combine Jeremy Horn, Dan Severn and Shonie Carter. They all have crazy records.

"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27

by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's what I get for Jeremy Horn, Dan Severn and Shonie Carter

276 total fights:

W: 222
L: 54
Draw: 11
KO/TKO: 44
SUB: 120
DEC: 57

Now between three guys, those are crazy stats.

"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27

by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Doh

Pressed post too early, I was going to say good shout re The Beast!! He is still churning out the wins.

Learn like you'll live forever, live like you'll die tomorrow.

by Nick-J on Feb 18, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but

I kind of meant the TKO/sub numbers too, more of an all around snapshot of three great careers. Fitch? I like him but let’s be realistic

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Feb 18, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

I'm curious...

Why do so many people on this site, including the person that operates it, not use the “reply” button? You have threaded comments for a reason ;P

by seinkonnen on Feb 18, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, it's easy to screw it up...

sometimes I hit the reply button and it doesn’t go so I end up posting a new comment by accident.

by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 18, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i wondered the same thing

glad u said something about it kuz they would have thought i wuz talking shit.

YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYBODY SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL PLEASE YOU!!!!!!!

by BigDickChainey on Feb 18, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Take out Fitch

…and put in Jeremy Horn. I know he’s not relevant now, but look at his record.

by Mad A on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i almost forgot

that all 3 of those guys are on the same card.

by Nameless on Feb 18, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

I give the best chance to Cro Cop.

Rothwell should be no problem for him. Bisping and Cain are gonna be tough fights though.

by HappyLittleTreez on Feb 18, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

I gotta feeling this is guna be 1 of the best cards of the year!

All shud be gr8 fights! Killem Wand! I can’t w8 2 see the rebirth of the axe murderer!! The energy is always so crazy when Wand comes out! War Pride!!!

by d*locc on Feb 18, 2010 1:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Feb 18, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Me too, TKK. I was defending his honor in a CC thread where he told people not to underestimate him.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Feb 18, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Memories....................The good old days!!

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Feb 18, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If Cro Cop loses this one I will gif his ass out of MMA!!!! ( I prob couldn't bring myself to do it)

Hard to doubt my favourite fighter of all time;
“After the defeat by Dos Santos, Filipovic has announced drastic changes in the training methods and composition of Team CroCop,”

“Marjan Zizanovic is no longer his boxing coach. Instead, CroCop is now working with the Dutch Muay Thai legend Ivan Hippolyte, who these days resides in Zagreb. Filipovic will combine training at his own facility with visits to the Netherlands where he can train with top-notch sparring partners,”

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Feb 18, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

OJR-I'm starting to think you may be right on the Cro Cop pick...

For some reason I’m feeling less confident about Big Ben taking him out. Still think Bisping and Nog are gonna win though.

"If Tito would just use his head as a battering ram, he never lose"-Rampage

by Diceman on Feb 18, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a moot point, now. Ben is out. Thanks for the props, anyway.

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Feb 18, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I go away for a few days and miss all the Cro Cop threads....DISASTER!!!

I went through those threads I missed and glad to see CC defended by you guys, well those that have seen Pride before anyway. How anyone can call Mirko a can or a ‘gay fag’( to quote d-ag,) oh sorry i ment to quote dat.) is beyond me. D*locc, the Dam was the business, hot chocolates and mint Weed, can’t go wrong…lol!! To anyone who has never seen the true Mirko or for those who only know of CC’s UFC career, please view this and STFU!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na0Gucw1qK0

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Feb 18, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

people are very fickle.......

love, don't hate - freedom
freedom is not a nasty person, speak sense to him and he's fine - elvis presley

by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 18, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously though, I think anyone who has not followed Cro Cop should....

Get a few mins peace and quiet, turn up the volume on the computer and watch this clip of Mirko.

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Feb 18, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that vid...

As my name states, I am an amateur kickboxer. My gym invited Faber’s striking coach to train us for a week. During one of the drills, he had us do our strongest kick to the heavy bag 10 times in a row, full strength. Now, I’m a pretty big guy, 6’2", 225 lbs (same as Crocop, although no where near his power and ability: obviously). My RMK (right mid kick) is my bread and butter. On this night, I was in rare form, I had just watched some K1 before, my work had gone well that day, my wife even made me an awesome power meal before my workout (she NEVER cooks for me) and when we got to this drill, it was game on. About my seventh kick, I realized the rest of the gym had stopped their part of the circuit and everyone was staring at me as I was literally bending the banana bag in half and loosening it from the wall a bit. Now, I’m not bragging here, although, this is one of my favorite experiences from kickboxing ever. Not bragging because….

Crocop’s kicks to the heavy bag from the ground seamed harder. Absolutely amazing.

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by StrikerDave on Feb 18, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

........

>.< must………..not……….speak………
AHG!

"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27

by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm...

I wonder what that means?

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by StrikerDave on Feb 18, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

WAR MIRKO !!!!!!!

YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYBODY SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL PLEASE YOU!!!!!!!

by BigDickChainey on Feb 18, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I will co sign this

"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27

by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

FUCK YOU TITO! - Mark Coleman

by MMACHAMP on Feb 18, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

>:(

..

"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27

by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

2-1 Wand Dlame! & Wands ko's were way the fuck more brutal!

It’s alrite cuz actually he is 1-4 vs chute*boxe! War Shogun!!! I don’t hear Bumpage asking for that rematch!

by d*locc on Feb 18, 2010 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lol

cz shogun is a gent! is still someone who will be great! never had help to becum what he is! unlike wandy lol rip

by DGAME_1_ on Feb 18, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

hey

Wand was fighting a weight class above his own.

Give the man props for going to war.

"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."

by At Least On Paper on Feb 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Somos pocos pero locos !

Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Feb 18, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

3 ufc fighters

besides george i don’t even like the guys, but 3 ufc fighters, who’ve never fought in pride with that kind of record; st. pierre, hughes, and sherk=95-13. i bet theres way better answers, just the first ones that came to mind when i saw this post because theyve got a lot of fights. 31 (t)ko, 36 subs

by Storhaug on Feb 18, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Hughes and Sherk

might be the Cro Cop and Silva considering age and decline in ability

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Feb 18, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point, I didn’t even think about Sherk.. He’s so far gone from my mind lately. Poor guy.

by seinkonnen on Feb 18, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Sherk fought in Bushido if I'm not mistaken

"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27

by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He did, but he is most certainly a product of the UFC.

by seinkonnen on Feb 18, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Just the same as Chuck fought in Pride… No one would argue that he isn’t a UFC product.

by seinkonnen on Feb 18, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess that's a fair assessment..

That is where he got his fame, but he’s only fought like 9 times in the UFC out of 30+ fights..

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by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

All three might lose

the only one that has a chance is Wanderlei.

I see cro cop and nog losing.

by champ91 on Feb 18, 2010 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

disagree.....

if cro cop can get the sprawl that he had when he first went into pride back, and not just try and walk forward through people, i think he’ll be fine. i do however, agree what fedor said about him, that he doesn’t really enjoy it anymore, and has a lot of doubts when he gets into compete, i think he was a victim of his own success, but a big win could change all of that. as much as i like big ben i think a focused cro cop has his number……i think wandy and nog are 50/50, overall, i can see both winning easily, or both losing…..roll on saturday…..deffo best card of the year……imo…..

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by freedomthrtyfve on Feb 18, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been saying that for a while..

Apparently he can’t make the weight, or so he says.

"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27

by O damn he got caught on Feb 18, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Mirko would dominate LHW but he has sais that he would struggle to make that weight...

Due to his natural frame and leg size, his thighs alone are huge, hard to lose that weight!! I myself think he could but it is too late in his career to start changing weight class and it would just be another mental obstacle that he would find it hard to overcome.

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Feb 18, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

he's too old

unlike wrestlers like Couture and Coleman who’ve been cutting weight since they were kids, CroCop’s never had to do it. I think at his age it would be extremely difficult to teach your body to do something like that. People underestimate what a big deal weight cutting is and how much it takes out of you if you don’t know your body well enough to do it right. If he could manage it, he’d be freakishly powerful compared to the 205ers, but I don’t think he can train his body to dehydrate like that at his age.

by (shonuff) on Feb 19, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

CC vs Rothwell – CC should win this one, but I am afraid mentally he has checked out of the fight game. IMO, I figure he needs to look impressive against Rothwell, and that requires a nice LHK. A solid KO might do wonders for CC. But if he just barely wins or loses, I’m afraid it’s not long before CC is done hanging with the big boys.

Silva vs Bisping – I think Silva should win this, but again, like CC, if he loses to Bisping, he might not last much longer. I know Dana has a sweet spot for Silva, so who knows?

Nog vs Cain – Nog will win this I’m sure. Cain “Pillow Fists” Velasquez won’t be able to KO Nog. The best he can hope for is his usualy patty cake punches in bunches GnP win. I figure Nog takes his punishment and eventually subs Cain.

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by pud333 on Feb 18, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

pud333 "But if he just barely wins or loses, I’m afraid it’s not long before CC is done hanging with the big boys."

If Cro Cop loses this fight I’m afraid that Cro Cop will be found hanging, full stop!!!

"Champions are not made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision." -Muhammad Ali

by tkkpal on Feb 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

homegrown Zuffa Fighters, so technically not UFC but whatever

Torres:31 finishes 6 decisions and 2 losses
Brown: 17 finishes 6 decisions and 5 losses
Faber: 20 finishes 3 decisions and 3 losses
for a grand total of 83-10 with 68 finishes. Close number total with a better ratio of finishes and half the losses.
In the UFC it is a little harder since more fights go to decision than in the WEC.

by ZheKaiser on Feb 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Wow.. Just wow

Are you kidding me? How can anyone say Nog is washed up?? He has fought tougher competition than anyone at HW. Most people who would fight Fedor so many times would have had there career ended. How in the world can you say that Cain who hasnt fought ONE person of caliber is going to beat a LEGEND. I know there are many out there who feel the same. What Morons rated Nog as the underdog? Stupid critics, you havent even been watching MMA as long as Nog has been fighting. I cant wait, shut their mouths Nog!

WAR NOG!!

by Pain on Feb 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

+2

 NOG is in the best shape of his life, he is focusing on his stand up more than ever, and has a strength and conditioning coach. The man is better than ever as far as all aound game and conditioning is concerened. Becuase he lost to NOG so many jumped on the “NOG is washed up” or “he doesn’t have the same chin” wagon? what a bunch of BS. He’s in his mid 30’s and still in his Prime!

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by Puck Head on Feb 18, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Right on Puck

The male body doesn’t deteriorate at early thirties, thats actually when mens muscle becomes more dense and they are able to generate more strength, quickness, and explosiveness. But honestly.. Having a staph infection being in the hospital for 2 weeks right before a fight than fighting and losing and being called washed up? I hope that Cain gets TOOLED. How can you root against such a man? Nog is the closest thing i have to a hero in this sport. He has always had the warriors heart and respect towards all other fighters. He is the envisionment of what we want the media to see. Not stupid pricks running their mouths constantly making the sport look arrogant. If Nog loses, this will be a loss for all of MMA.

by Pain on Feb 19, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Nog is the best HW in UFC HISTORY.

Brock might beat him because of the rediculous size advantage, but he’ll school any other HW the UFC can throw at him. He has one of the best chins in MMA, well above-average boxing, and the best subs in MMA. The man stood in the ring with Fedor for a total of almost 45 minutes without being finished and beat CroCop and Coleman in the prime of their careers. Cain is gonna feel like he got blackholed into another dimension.

by (shonuff) on Feb 19, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I think NOG will really spark up after this fight.

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by At Least On Paper on Feb 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Better yet start watching the Next Gen of fighters...

Baba – 4yrs old battling 6 years old kids! Yeah, he’s a warrior! He’ll be entering the Kids Pan World Championships in LA! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-r3aNn4jk&feature=playerembedded

by Xsjado on Feb 18, 2010 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

I guess we'll see what happens.

I think the most telling number for Nog is that he is just now the age when Randy Couture started. He was sick and looked bad against Mir, but looked to be in great shape against Randy. I’m sure Cain will put him on the ground, but so did Tim Sylvia. It appears to me that Cro-Cop’s issues are in his head. It appears Mirko has lost the desire, and without that he probably shouldn’t be in the Octagon. I think Big Ben will push him, and that seems to be what causes the troubles, when he doesn’t have the room to kick. Wandy seems revived at 185, and Bisbing doesn’t seem to have enough “uuumph” to KO him. All three can be very interesting bouts.

by Sammy Noodleman on Feb 18, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

My guess is...

Nog by RNC-Submission (3rd round after being takendown by double leg)

Wandy by KO – First round (Wild swing Right hook after Bisping throws a jab and fades to his left)

Cro-cop – Win via TKO 2nd round (After shattering Rothwells Left Leg)

by judopei on Feb 18, 2010 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

Rothwell out of the fight

Cro Cop, Wanderlei and Big will win, I agree with dumbass.

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by Eduardo Cruz on Feb 19, 2010 7:17 AM EST reply actions  

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