UFC cuts Hall of Famer Mark 'The Hammer' Coleman following lackluster performance at UFC 109
by James Kimball on Feb 10, 2010 5:11 PM EST
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Well how's this for irony.
Leading up to his main event showdown with Randy Couture at UFC 109 on Feb. 6, 2010, we were all lead to believe that Mark Coleman still had "it" at the ripe old age of 45. And with a win over fellow 40-something Couture, he would emerge as a contender in the stacked light heavyweight division.
The week after a second round submission loss, "The Hammer" was dropped on the UFC Hall of Famer's career inside the Octagon.
FiveOuncesOfPain.com reports that the first-ever UFC heavyweight champion has indeed graced the Octagon for the last time, no longer able to compete up to the promotion's high standards.
Coleman (16-10) had gone 1-2 in the second act of his UFC career following a decade-long layoff. After giving 205-pound number one contender Mauricio "Shogun" Rua all he could handle at UFC 93, Coleman dominated The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) finalist Stephan Bonnar at UFC 100, seemingly resurrecting his distinguished fight career.
Though it is unprecedented for a main event fighter to be cut from the UFC the week after the event, the argument can be, and has been, made that Coleman didn't belong there in the first place.
What do you think? Did Coleman get a raw deal or is his release for his own good?
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LOL
By Zuffa cutting him it’s basically Dana admitting he doesn’t even believe the pre-fight hype he spewed about Coleman. Laughable.
Nover got cut too.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
ya what a joke
If I’m Coker I pick this guy up for 40k a fight just for 2 fights. 1 against a mid level then 1 against Gegard if he wins. More name attention. Its to build the league then drop him.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it was a fluke to sign him to begin with
i think he was signed for his name and the fact that he used to be champion, knowing he could promote other fighters that beat him i.e. shogun and couture
Anyone interested in Lashley vs Coleman now
i am…
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
Nope
I dont think you can say its Dana admitting his hype was BS… a lot of people thought he still had it, why wouldnt they? He almost beat Shogun and then he beat Bonnar. Couture proved everyone wrong when he completely outclassed him and exposed Coleman as to old to compete in the UFC. We just didnt know that until Couture showed us.
by PHISH NATION on Feb 10, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
agreed Phish
But yet try telling this to the kind ppl below. Its a tad difficult to say the least.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 6:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looking at this without bias
Does anyone think there is any chance Coleman may have overtrained?
Someone tossed it out there a few days ago.
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
Yes, he overtrained.
In fact, he should have stopped training five years ago.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I would have liked to see Coleman continue fighting in the UFC. Yes, he looked slow and terrible on his feet and yes he was completely dominated by Randy, but lets face it, Coleman has NEVER looked good on his feet. He has always been a wrestler and that is one of Randys strongest attributes. Randy was a terrible matchup for him in that aspect. Shogun just (in my eyes) beat Lyoto Machida and Coleman gave Shogun a tough fight. There are several lhw’s without a strong wrestling base that Coleman could have given fits. I say have him fight Jardine. Then although Ortiz is a good wrestler, there is clearly some bad blood between the two. They could fight and Ortiz could do what he does best with the pre fight hype.
fn Thompkins man, i don't know what the hell told him to confuse the shit out of Coleman mid fight...
If you’re cornering coleman, all you gotta tell him is – “shoot towards where the punches are coming from” and “do something.” Big mistake dropping baroni and the monster as his cornermen. Then again even if coleman had used his wrestling, this match would just be a replica of the van arsdale fight with a less explosive mike.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 10, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Lashley hasnt fought anyone
so we dont really know how good he is (or isn’t)… time will tell, but if they were to fight in a few months, I’d put all the money I have on Lashley
by PHISH NATION on Feb 10, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Why is this even being talked about?
Lashley via Murder rnd 1. It would be a repeat of King Mo vs. Mark Kerr.
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 11, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Kinda funny how on the one hand, Dana thinks Methuselah’s performance against Coleman puts him in the top 5, and proves he’s a “beast”.
On the other hand, Dana says Coleman is finished and cuts him from the promotion.
You can’t have it both ways, Mr White.
If Coleman can’t even compete in the UFC anymore, then Randy’s preformance isn’t that special. Dana wants to cash in on another big Couture title fight. Hopefully Little Nog or a fighter of that ilk ges a chance to put a stop to Randy’s gravy train.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Couture looked average at 109. Nothing special.
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
average?
what do you base it on? I say he looked below average, how did he not finish it in the 1st?
different shades of grey kev… i said nothing special right?
He did win – you have to respect the man for lacing them up and getting the W all things considered
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
you guys are utterly insane and filled with hatred
If you guys can’t admit that Randy looked better than average you’re lost. I’m not saying Coleman was amazing competition but Randy made him look like shit. Say what you want, Coleman was in no worse shape then he was in the fight the thread pic was taken from.
Your ignorance and NON STOP haterade for Randy is blinding your judgments.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Against any top 5 guy
Zuffa could have a death on there hands or produce a vegetable.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
curious who your top 5 is
Rampage still on it? I can see Randy losing a decision to Dragon. I can also see him winning against Rashad, Shogun would beat him but hey somehow Randy looked awful against Coleman but let’s all praise Lord Shoguns win over him.
You guys all call for Randy’s head but he’ll quit all right. When he stops winning. 4-2 against the guys he’s fought is more than i’d expect from most fighters in UFC.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
im pretty sure if Brock cant kill him he'll live through another fight.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
bro, I don't hate Randy
but I don’t get how a 16-10 guy gets all this love!?
Machida
shogun
thiago silva
rashad
moussassi
hendo
Rampage
anderson silva
lil nog
do I got to keep going? I think all these guys should be or r ranked higher
lets start another list to help you then
All guys who haven’t fought killers their whole career
Lil nog
Thiago
Dragon
Moussasi
Anderson
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
im not saying they havent fought impressive opponents
But you type out any other fighter who has 20 fights or more that are that impressive.
26 fights against the best at the time or of what he was deemed necessary to fight. Vera/Coleman/etc was because if he was given someone better you’d all be mad!
Your mad when he fights Vera/Coleman and your mad when he fights Brock/Nog.
Who then? You guys claim he doesn’t have to retire. Who should he be fighting?
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
who says I'm mad?
I think he was beating brock, did you not read that.
i think he got a generous decision against Vera and Coleman was in awful shape, not Randy’s fault. is he top 5? no! does he have drawing power, yes!
for sure... I hope I look so good at that age.
but it is what it is.
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
Randy’s previous two fights were a beating at the hands of Nog and a hugging of Vera where he received the only real damage in the fight. Not so impressive.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Brock/Nog
Funny how just this AM a few of the regulars were calling Nog as a win over Brock and the Brock <3’ers were jumping to defend their man.
Yet a 46 year old Randy can go the full 15 in a fight of year candidate with your future champ, then make it to the 2nd round with the ‘Baddest man in MMA’ and current champ (winning 1st round), while beating Tim Sylvia, Gabe Gonzaga, Brandon Vera, and Mark Coleman, yet still he’s no good and has done nothing and needs to hang em up right?
You guys are being extremely narrow minded, and stubborn.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is your best post all day Dan
Preach it brother!
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
you guys are utterly insane and filled with hatred
I am full of hatred*… for promoters that hype fights up based on the dollars they will make instead of the (current) quality of the participants.
Randy is not a top-5 LHW. Randy should be nowhere close to a title shot. I don’t mind seeing Randy still fighting, but I don’t want to see it in a PPV’s main event.
*hatred is a strong word… let’s say disdain
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Damn Dan fighting the good fight; sorry to bail on you bro but I just got off of work lol
Randy isn’t top 5 currently but he’s one of the best of all time. Everyone wants to bring up his rec, like 7 of those loss’s aren’t to guys MUCH bigger than he is at HW. The man challenged the hell out of himself in his carreer and he’s beaten the two LHW’s they’ve put in front of him so far so lets see him against a top 5. Lets see someone MURDER Couture; not happening. When’s the last time he got dealt with? CHUCK LIDDELL; that’s the last time, and Chuck is 2-1 vs Randy as well. EVERYONE ELSE Randy has fought in his entire carreer has had their hands full and been in a hell of a fight. What makes you people think that these guys are gonna steam roll him now? LOL, I can’t wait; if Randy wins this next one against a top 5 you’ll all be eating crow; get ready to take your foot and put it in your mouths.
Even if he does lose, it won’t be an easy fight; you people are insane thinking someone’s going to walk all over Randy like it’s nothing. I’ve never heard such crazy talk…
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think Little Nog, Shogun, Rampage, and Machida would walk all over Randy. I think a bunch of other guys would beat him, but have their hands full.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well until it happens you really can't say shit Jackson...
Cause I think in the future they’ll find a way teleport me instantly from my house to work and it’ll save me a shit load of time on the commute…
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Out of all those I think Rampage/Lil Nog would be the most likely to walk him down and own him
Machida and Shogun aren’t gonna beat him in the clinch and he’s not dumb enough to stand there trading strikes with either one.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
You need to teleport yourself to back to Earth. A place where Randy isn’t top 5.
And if I can’t say shit about who I think can beat who in a given division, maybe we should go back and delete 80% of your posts. Since that’s kind of what we do here.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
That teleport back to earth thing took a minute; lag time holmes.. Anyway; there’s one thing that keeps Randy in the game; one reason why he’s competitive against EVERYBODY; and that’s his mind and his wrestling. And none of the fighters you’ve named, save for Rampage are accomplished enough at wrestling to own him in the clinch. Would they win? We’ll see… but completely own him and walk through him? No one’s done it yet; you got no argument here…
At least give me an example of when he got completely dominated by someone not named Chuck Liddell.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
O FUCK
I just pulled a Diego Sanchez… mind and wrestling is 2 things ROFLMAO
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
LOL.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Also...
There’s an interesting dynamic here; that I’ve brought up before and it has credance… IF a younger up and coming fighter, say John Jones or Vera or lil Nog or Louis Cane etc… had done the EXACT SAME THING to Coleman; people wouldn’t be bitching talking about how Coleman is done and how Randy looked like trash. They’d be praising this kid as the truth and how he’s such a bad ass etc… BUT because it was Randy who dominated, now Coleman’s old and finished and Randy looked like trash and he’s just a weak old man that needs to retire… Right…
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, but I don’t think most of the guys here would be heaping praise on a young fighter for beating the Coleman we saw last Saturday… he looked completely shot.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
There's no doubt; but the tone would be more
“O, he lost to Jones, he’s and up and comer, of course Coleman couldn’t win that fight.” Than “God Randy you suck so bad for winning that fight; you’re old, he’s old and you both just suck ballz.”
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
AND
4 LHW’s owning Couture out of the entire LHW division ain’t too shabby now is it?
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
not too shabby at all
It’s more than we can say for 90% if the fighters in the division.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’d be in trouble against Rashad, Thiago, Mousasi, Jones, etc… and Vera damn near had him beat, who I wouldn’t exactly rate as a top LHW these days.
At least give me an example of when he got completely dominated by someone not named Chuck Liddell.
Sure, as soon as you give me an example of a decent LHW he’s fought since Chuck Liddell. Kind of hard to cite examples when Dana has him fighting the dregs of the division and proclaiming him top 5.
Let’s revisit this conversation when Randy is matched up against a guy we both consider an elite LHW.
And I never said he was “shabby”. I said he isn’t top 5, or anywhere near deserving a title shot. That’s all. He’s still a tough mofo, but against the big strikers of the division I think he gets wrecked.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
when he is you'll all say he doesnt deserve to fight a top fighter
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yea but most these people won't allow him to fight a top 5 guy
“Randy’s not top 5 I don’t wanna see that fight; I don’t wanna waste my $$ on that WAH WAH WAH” (not saying that’s you Jeremy but that damn near sounds like 50% of the people in this thread). I’m not saying he deserves a title shot either but he DOES deserve a fight with a top 5 guy.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. Give him a fight with a top guy.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
In a co-main event.
:-)
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Fine with me
I just want the fight already; there’s some fighters that are stylistically a bad match up for Couture but none of them can steam roll him.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
OD, please. I think Randy was great. He is now good. He is not top 5 but I think he is top 10 - 15. And NO, he doesn't deserve my $$$ for a main event. And yeah, I am one of those guys.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
LOL
Until they dominate and own him you can’t really say anything.. You have nothing to point to except for the Liddell fight; you have no evidence that Randy has ever been owned/dominated by ANYBODY except for an in his prime bad ass Chuck Liddell; lets see what happens before we write the old boy off like most have done so many times in the past.
The second Randy becomes the underdog again; his chances of winning increase that much more.
And you guys one day WILL miss him, when you’re 40+ years old and your not “cool” anymore; you will miss fighters like Couture and George Foreman who made it “ok” to be old. Who defied odds and made it ok to age gracefully.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I already miss my George Foreman grill. It’s broken.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Mine is signed by George himself
It’s got his signature right on the front near that little orange light
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Those grills helped get me laid a lot. "Come over, I will cook dinner for you." *Cue some Barry White*
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Mine is signed by George himself .It’s got his signature right on the front near that little orange light
I think that made me sadder and more angry than anything in this entire thread. I’m going on to E-Bay. See you guys tomorrow.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
JJ - I am going to Van this summer. Its confirmed.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Oh, good news brother. We will definitely hook up for some beers. You’ll love it, I’m sure.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Very true but I think he would be better as a HW to be honest.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
OD, I think Randy is a HOF'er. No hate here.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
INTERESTING
how about fedor how many of his last fights were against top 5 guys? you don’t question his ranking you and everyone else seem to love him regardless !! why does randy have to fight top 5 guys to be in the top 5 or even 10 but fedor can beat second rate guys and be the best in the world?? you guys are soooo blinded by your love/hate for certain fighters
EH?!
Whos is this reply to? I tried scrolling up but I can’t figure out if it’s to me or JJ
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Did you just imply that Randy won the first round over Brock?
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
BRO I'll put it in simple terms for you
I’ve said all along he was winning the wrestling battle with Brock before he got KO’d
He won a bad decision over Vera and got beat up by Nog, now he beats a guy who looks to have aged 30 years in a 6 month span and he’s top 5. If beating Coleman makes you a top 5 fighter, then why is coleman getting cut? I’ll tell you why, because beating Coleman doesn’t put u in top 5
The decision over Vera wasn't that bad...
Vera caught him with a kick to the mid section that put him down early; but other than that what did he do??? NOTHING. They negated eachother; Randy had a nice flurry to start rd 3 and controlled the clinch; yea it wasn’t the most exciting fight ever but it went to the judges and it was a coin toss. Randy had the TD’s It’s a 10 point must system, not to mention for whatever reason a lot of people here just want to see the man lose no matter what. Randy controlled Vera for the majority of the fight; didn’t do much with it, but tried just as well as Vera tried to land significant strikes and really only landed ONE.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I havent seen that fight in Vera's favor once.
NO ROBBERY
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
worby worby worby
who is saying he should hang em up?
You can’t point someone elses argument at me? I don’t see how Nog takes Brock if he fights like he did over Mir…. i’d love to see it but i would be surprised if Brock didn’t tko him. Back to the topic at hand
Everyone wants Randy to fight. Guy’s like you want to see him in competition and guys that don’t like him want to see him take a beating. Everybody wins either way.
Oh, the old gray mare, she ain’t what she used to be,
Ain’t what she used to be, ain’t what she used to be.
The old gray mare, she ain’t what she used to be,
Many long years ago.
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
Completely cosign this comment.
Definitely with you on this one DW.
by Canucklehead. on Feb 10, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
f*ckin rights THX canucklehead
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
daniel my man.
your love for Randy clowds your judgement, he looked good just like any man with the same or higher qualities would against someone who was a sitting duck, no head movement or movement at all just based on the physical problems Coleman seemed to have made him look like absolute garbage in that fight, Couture didn’t need to touch him or do anything to “make” him look like that.
45 is an age where you’ve normally already been retired for 5+ years, Coleman’s time is up !
Matteo Serra is the mayn! Forza Italia.
Change the name Randy to Tito in this post and you will see why everyone gives you a hard time too, Roberto.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
I could change the name, then again i’ve never claimed Tito to be top 5 like the UFC supposedly wants us to believe Randy is.
Saw you posting Coleman would beat Tito the other day, hehehe.
Matteo Serra is the mayn! Forza Italia.
Tito and Coleman are in the same league.
Sure Tito is younger but he doesn’t want this… LOOK at a guy like KOS calling him out. Kos wants to be a destroyer. Tito wants to be on TV and has the athleticism to make it happen.
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
Tito and Coleman are in the same league.
Yep.
The minors.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
say whatever you want but going by simple physics and technical abilities Tito wins with ease, im not saying he’s technical but against Coleman he’d look like a good striker and real fast.
Matteo Serra is the mayn! Forza Italia.
Yeah, I’d take Tito in that fight too.
Now excuse me while I wash my mouth out with soap.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
*cloud not clowd?
Anyways, you guys discount his opponents when he beats them but praise them when he loses.
By the way I’m arguing with 5 of you by myself so when I say something that isn’t in your comment to me, perhaps read the rest and realize that Oh My God, I may not be talking to you at that moment! Astonishing hey?
AND JAY!
Watch your boy without the posters and shirt on and open your eyes man, your good shit, but Brock lost the 1st round! Hands down! That’s it, that’s all!
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well Daniel, you’ve put up a noble effort.
:-)
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Daniel, I have only watched that fight once. My memory is shit by the way.
I don’t remember it the way you do. There is no way to know who won the first round, not that it matters.
Maybe Bisping won the first round of the Hendo fight too. Want to give him some credit while you are at it?
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Brock won the first round if anyone was to get it.
I remember Bonnar having the argument that Randy should have had points for getting back to his feet, what ? you couldn’t possibly get points for getting out and defending someones offense, that’s insane.
Matteo Serra is the mayn! Forza Italia.
Roberto, where do you stand on Brock?
I’ve never seen you say if you are a fan or not.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Well, you’re the one always saying that TDs shouldn’t count for shit either, right buddy?
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 10, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
He changes his position on most topics, depending on who the fighters are.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
they shouldn't
Unless it causes damage it’s just another movement.
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
yes i am and i still have that opinion, don’t really see how Randy got it, Brock landed some knees too.
I love Brock, have rooted for him in every single fight and defended him like an ass when ppl tried to talk shit about him after he beat Herring and Mir.
Matteo Serra is the mayn! Forza Italia.
other than the strength Randy showed against Brock when he was pushing him up against the fence going for a takedown, he really wasn’t anything special than we’re used to see, he was bound to look good standing against a man who’s spent his entire life in wrestling and only trained striking for about 2 years.
Matteo Serra is the mayn! Forza Italia.
Good to know Roberto
I thought you would hate his style since he uses size and strength to win fights.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Bisping lost the first round
Randy almost certainly won the first round in the Brock fight. The win against Randy was Brock’s least impressive performance to date. So far, really the only top tier fighter Brock has looked good against is Mir. He even took the Herring fight to a decision….When you think about it that way, Brock is much more of a “Captain Paycheck” for the UFC than Randy is. My bet is that if he ever really makes it back, Shane puts him right back in the ICU.
lol
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
hey i have supporters
They just know I’ve said it all to no avail cause you guys can’t be swayed.
Freenow82
Drew money
O Damn too
So say whatchu want. My points are all valid.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 7:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i like randy but he is over rated
i was backing you on the stuff below about walker vs caleman…
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Feb 10, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
add cosa to the list
Just took a while for them to get here.
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Truth.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
if i havent said anything then I've given you guys far too much credit as valid posters.
Cause you have a hard time reading or skipped what I said and instantly dismissed it.
Take Drew off and add Canucklehead then. I don’t give a rip. Least JJ read and saw where I was coming from. Lol
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but his level of competition is strong
i agree that he has fought a higher quality of competition then 99% of the guys out there, but he has no business being ranked as high as he is. Nowwith that being said i cant blame dana for giving him all these title shots because the guy is a legend and will make ufc money, just dont lie to us and say he is the #1 contender…
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Feb 10, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
This from the guy that defended Tito for making fun of Coleman after the loss.
Do you admit that your love for all things Tito clouds your judgment?
by Canucklehead. on Feb 10, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
agreed there
Couture looked pretty good in that fight, and he always looks pretty damn decent……he’s still a possible contender in my book. I would be willing to bet money that if he ever got the chance to fight Lashley he would destroy him.
Yeah, it is kinda sad.
But, I have a feeling that Dana gave him a nice under the table bonus for what he had done for the sport.
"This is a non-title fight Joe, so its scheduled for three five minute rounds" -Mike Goldberg (You mean Terry Etim and Shannon Gugerty arnt fighting for a title?)
Good call
Coleman is truly awful—he looked dead against Randy (and don’t tell me it was Randy making him look so slow, Randy isn’t exactly the quickest man in the world, either). He would lose in a rematch with bonnar he only won because bonnar tried crazy spinning moves/kicks and let himself get prayed on.
Never should have been a main event fighter, and he’d lose to any halfway decent LHW. Kind of sad that he’s goin’ now after his big shot but it’s the right call.
"Matt Hughes and his brother used to pound each other out behind the barn."
-The legendary Mike Goldberg
oh boy
at this point in this man’s career, shouldn’t he be “one of the boys”, and leave on his own terms, at least officially? He’s getting fired like some newbie who went 0-2.
I can’t see Randy Couture being “cut”, one day he’ll just say in an interview that he’s done fighting, and that’s all anybody knows.
Japan here i come...
I dont think Strikeforce will hire him. He will probably go to Dream. Sad to see him go out like that.
NOVER
boy was Dana waaaaaaay off by trying to compare Nover as the second coming of Anderson Silva during the Ultimate fighter……3 losses in a row to less that stellar competition is pretty bad. now hes gone. might find work with Strkeforce.
About Nover....
He was really impressive until the TUF finale. Much like Manny Gamburrian (fuck it, im not googling it for correct spelling, haha)
"This is a non-title fight Joe, so its scheduled for three five minute rounds" -Mike Goldberg (You mean Terry Etim and Shannon Gugerty arnt fighting for a title?)
listen
I don’t know what happened, over training or what, but from the Bonnar fight to this fight, Coleman looked to have aged 30 years! I still would bet 10k on him over Lashley!
Newfs yelling random stuff again
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
please god, don't let that name stick!
by James Kimball on Feb 10, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Haha[Nelson Muntz laugh]!
Whatever the fuck you do in life, echoes in eternity! <----slightly edited
-Maximus[Gladiator]
by The Negation on Feb 11, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
agreed....
I just dug my car out of 9 inches of the white stuff and more coming….I think Dana threw Coleman a bone giving him extra money on his way out…he just happened to do really well vs Shogun and Bonner…
you live in north- eastern United States? We just got slammed today in PA..major roads were closed, along with almost every business
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
detroit got 9 inches last night
ive shoveled 3 times in 24hrs. They closed the whole building here at work but i made my department come in, they love me lol….
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters
have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant
buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
by DrewMoney$$$ on Feb 10, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Glad they didnt use him to can for kimbo or tito
strikeforce should sign him to fight in april against walker…
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
Brock
Lets not forget that his first fight back was supposed to be a rebound match for Brock in Minnesota. That would’ve been a total train wreck and i believe he was gonna headline that fight too
brock would have retired him.....
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Feb 10, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
it was not pretty seeing coleman in the octagon..
it was so one sided..i think it is funny that dana will say anything about anyone just to sell a fight..but i suppose that is his business..glad to not see him fight anymore though..time for shuffle board..
true..but not for ufc..no?
he may get picked up for some other business..but i would only stream that., don’t want to pay to see him..i didn’t on sat. either.
isnt SF a for sure in this case?
it’s not like he would end up in Bellator. I guess Dream is always on option. But considering the open relationship there maybe both.
I bet against both Paulo Thiago and Mark Coleman:
- THiago impressed the sh1t out of me.
- Coleman you owe me $20 bucks.
"is there no one else?!? is there no one else?!?"
worbanizer
by daniel worby on Feb 10, 2010 7:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The guy is a UFC HOFer and former HW Champion
I think he deserved a little better but we might not know the whole story. Coleman is a proud guy and if the UFC asked him to retire, he probably told them to take a f off. If so, maybe cutting him was the way to go. Don’t disagree with not seeing him any more. He’s way tired at this point. He really showed me nothing in the last 3 fights. Gassed terribly against Shogun (who looked like shit too). I don’t even remember watching the Bonner fight and he looked like an old man against Randy. At least Randy is still bringing it at 45+. Coleman’s got nothing. He looks 60 now.
im actually surprised they didnt give him to tito
i think this means dana hasnt fully forgiven tito and has a huge beatdown in mind for him after the chuck fight!
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Feb 10, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Coleman was brought in to give Lesnar a push, remember.
But he got hurt, Mir stepped in (was supposed to lose) and the rest is history.
Coleman already overstayed his welcome, imo. He was supposed to be a one and outter.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
You know this is probably true right here..
Seriously.. he was a good tune up fight for Shogun and surprised everyone I think with Bonnar; but it wasn’t their intention to build up Coleman, I agree with you there.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Which is sad because Coleman is truly a legend of Sport and of the UFC!
The man should have been able to call his own shots. However, some guys need to be push out the door because they just don’t know when to call it quits.
Coleman doesn't belong in the HOF anymore than Ken Shamrock does..
Both decent fighters in their own time but there’s nothing great about either one at any point in time in their carreers except the attention they brought to the sport. It’s just like when Tito gets in to the HOF at the end of his carreer; he doesn’t deserve to be there on skill only PR.
"Wanderlei Silva; hallowed be thy name." - Genesis 50:27
by O damn he got caught on Feb 10, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think Shamrock does deserve the HOF. I am undecided about Tito. I agree with you about Coleman.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I dont like to complain about the main event
True, it doesnt move the division along really and the fighters arent exactly the most exciting ever. Maybe im just too oldschool but i thought it was nice to see a promotion as big as the ufc honoring a couple of old fighters in their main event. I think we are all just too spoiled over the awesome fights we are treated to more often than not.
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