BJ Penn wants to return to welterweight. How about a rematch with Matt Serra to get him started?
by Jesse Holland on Feb 10, 2010 12:21 PM EST
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Current UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn is set to defend his 155-pound title for the fourth time against a deserving but perhaps outmatched Frankie Edgar at UFC 112 on April 10 in Abu Dhabi.
If Penn manages to outlast "The Answer," which isn't a knock on Edgar to suggest that he will, "The Prodigy" has already vocalized his intentions of eventually returning to the UFC's 170-pound division.
Perhaps sooner rather than later.
While the prospect of "Penn vs. St. Pierre 3" elicits a collective groan from much of the mixed martial arts fan base, keep in mind that this is the same promotion that had no problem booking a third dance between Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz.
Dana White is open to the idea of the Hawaiian getting another crack at welterweight success, but even he acknowledges that Penn is going to have to work his way back into the upper echelon of 170-pound fighters to even be considered for a title shot.
To do that, he's got to win -- and win big. There are a couple of exciting match-ups that come to mind, including a brouhaha with Thiago Alves, but what about a rematch with Matt Serra?
Following "The Terror's" UFC 109 win over Frank Trigg, Serra striking guru Ray Longo tells Fight Magazine that it's practically a no-brainer.
"I'd love to see (Serra) fight BJ Penn if BJ wanted to come up in weight because obviously Serra can't get any lower. But I thought they had a great fight, I think it's an interesting fight because BJ will stand there with him I think. And they're both not going to go anywhere standing up now. Matt didn't really have the stand-up when he fought him the first time and the ground thing would be exciting. I think that's a really good fight and I'd like to see Matt now stay with the marquee names and some big fights."
Matt Serra was able to do something that Penn never could: He beat Georges St. Pierre. While "Rush" fans still can't stop seething over that 2007 loss, it does add a little more to the story, which never hurts when trying to hype a fight.
And if it's any consolation to the Penn faithful, he did something that Serra couldn't: He beat Matt Hughes.
The Long Islander took Penn to a decision when they first met at UFC 39 back in September 2002. Would things be different in 2010? Possibly, but if BJ Penn wants to come back and make some noise at 170 then he's going to have to start somewhere.
I for one would much rather see him mix it up on the ground and on the feet with Serra than play keep-away with the likes of Josh Koscheck or Jon Fitch.
You've heard my pick for first welterweight foe. What's yours?
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I like BJ moving back up.
He has shown that he is head and shoulders above everyone at 155. No one at LW is even competitive with him. If he wants to go up, I say let him. He was fighting and in most cases beating top WWs before, when he was out of shape. Now that he is conditioning under Marv, I have no doubt he could put on quality weight and make another run at the WW title.
Besides, does anyone really want to see him just hang out at LW and just destroy everyone? He needs some actual competition.
"If we fight for money, I'll stop hitting you when you ask me to. If we fight for honor, I'll stop hitting you when i feel like it." - Rickson Gracie
If he destroys Edgar. (which is almost a given) There is no point for him to fight guys at LW. It’s like a grown man fighting a teenager. Not exciting nothing new. Just BJ bitchslapping fools. There is no competition. BJ has nothing left to accomplish at LW.
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by bigbadbunbun on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Aldo and Faber move up to 155? Those would be big $$$ "name" fights, though.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
thats what I've been saying...
kev and I discussed it the other day…kev said that if 155’s can’t beat BJ then how could a 145er do it? I asked the same question regarding BJ/GSP…
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Aldo yes…. he could catch BJ. But I doubt it. BJ has such a good chin after he got caught he’d take Aldo down. And Faber would be a good buyrate I’m sure but BJ would rag doll him
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by bigbadbunbun on Feb 10, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Its possible but very unlikely.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think BJ has ever even been knocked down in a fight. He’s got one of the best chin’s in the game.
"If we fight for money, I'll stop hitting you when you ask me to. If we fight for honor, I'll stop hitting you when i feel like it." - Rickson Gracie
Aldo has more than striking though...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I'm in no way discrediting Aldo
I think he is far and away the best at 145. Just saying that we are still taking about an up and comer. He improves with every fight. But he is still to green to fight someone like BJ. Like I said, if he just completely rat stomps his next 3-4 opponents, then yeah, I would definitely think a BJ/Aldo fight would be interesting.
"If we fight for money, I'll stop hitting you when you ask me to. If we fight for honor, I'll stop hitting you when i feel like it." - Rickson Gracie
if he stomps Faber...who else is there?
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
true... only super fights
maybe torres, cerrone or Henderson (catchweight), then maybe a top 5 LW?
"If we fight for money, I'll stop hitting you when you ask me to. If we fight for honor, I'll stop hitting you when i feel like it." - Rickson Gracie
As far as interesting matches for BJ at WW...
I would like to see BJ fight Paulo Thiago. I think that would be interesting.
"If we fight for money, I'll stop hitting you when you ask me to. If we fight for honor, I'll stop hitting you when i feel like it." - Rickson Gracie
Not really. Thiago's striking looked light years below BJ's striking.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
BJ's boxing is far superior than thiago...
but thiago’s MT is far beyond that of BJ. BJ also doesn’t check leg kicks and can be bullied around in the clinch. He’s primarily a dirty boxer there while Alves works some solid knees. I think after a few rib roasters and leg kicks, BJ’s tank dries up and his pace slows for a UD.
A fitch fight however would be perfect for BJ. I think he would smash fitch pillar to post. And mark my words that’ll be his first fight pending his relationship with Camarillo doesn’t get in the way of the fight. Joe Silva might even want to do that simply to fuck with AKA.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 11, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
shut up with the silly aldo/bj talks! bj should be fighting heavier people, not smaller ones!
Lets see what my boy aldo can dio against a frankie edgar 1st!
Love Aldo, but
He just won the 145 strap. He would need to run through at LEAST 3-4 guys convincingly before looking to move up to take on BJ. And I don’t think a BJ/Faber fight would even be remotely close. Faber would have a hard time with any Top 10 LW, BJ would murder him.
"If we fight for money, I'll stop hitting you when you ask me to. If we fight for honor, I'll stop hitting you when i feel like it." - Rickson Gracie
I know, Cole, that's why I posted "$$$, big name" fights...just like Tito/Chuck III, it would be about PPV numbers.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I'd watch that rematch
I like both guys and think Serra has a better chance at WW. I still think Penn beats him, the KOs/Daley then a shot. Good choice of fight though in my opinion!
I could deal with that
2 quality wins including Serra then GSP
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
by McArthur... on Feb 10, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I am a Penn fan but if you quit during a fight then you don't deserve a 3rd match. Penn vs. Serra is not a good match up. Penn is too fast for Serra.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Hahaha! Either way, I think GSP should move up after beating Hardy. Nothing left for him anyway.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I love it!!
I’ve been calling for Serra to drop to LW to challenge BJ, this is almost as good… book it!!!
by PHISH NATION on Feb 10, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh please Kevin…. I am really hoping you are joking… I think you are joking, but I do know how much you like Penn. Thats where the question comes from
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 10, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
1/2 joking
Penn woulda continued, nothing woulda been different
and I agree with OJR, GSP is a MW after the Hardy fight!
Ok, I dont feel bad then haha
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 10, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just to clarify tho...
I say BJ quit himself
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 10, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
By not answering when he was repeatedly asked if he wanted to continue
He quit. It doesn’t matter how his fans want to spin it. BJ quit.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Exactly. I just watched it again and he was shaking his head no. He quit.
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 10, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
For sure.
One of the greatest moments in sports history. Even better than when Gretzky was hoisting cups every year.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
he def quit...he turned his back on GSP and shook his head...tkkpal, gif that shit!!!!
and jay, NEVER forget Gretzky’s high stick in ’93!!! EVER!
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
I was always more of a Gretzky fan then a Leaf fan
I didn’t mind that high stick as much as most other Leaf fans. Almost won another cup for Gretz.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Fuck Gretzky he sold his soul to the devil. Then fake cried in the interview. And then we won without him!
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by bigbadbunbun on Feb 10, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
jay's from Brantford...what do ya expect I guess
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
A side note my buddy was like 12 and Gordie Howe pushed him to the ground. SONOFABITCH
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by bigbadbunbun on Feb 10, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
HaHa
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
hahahahah
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 10, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Penn vs Hughes III
This match makes the most sense for both of them right now. They are 1-1 and neither of them can hang with GSP anymore. Two dominant champs finishing out a trilogy, huge bragging rights for the winner, mutual hatred. I don’t see any fight on the horizon for either of them that would be as appealing or profitable or add more to their legacy.
I don't like it.
How many warm ups is he going to fight? At this rate we won’t see GSP/BJ until 2012.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
Do you really need to see that rematch before 2012?
I dont. All BJ has done since his last beatdown was beat up some short guys at 155. He needs to show everyone that the next BJ/GSP fight will actually be competitive, cause last time it was not.
by captainStevo on Feb 10, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I am ready to see it if he wins against Alves or Fitch.
I don’t see the need for him to take a detour with Matt Serra. What is Matt going to do to BJ? I think they need to strike while the iron’s hot. A lot of people(not me) want to see that third fight. BJ has to beat someone in the top 3 to get it. Why waste his time on a warm up match with Matt Serra? Unless this is to get used to the weight, this is a bogus match.
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It's a matter of justice for the other competitors at 170.
Why should the others earn it and not him? I agree with Serra not being the biggest fish at welterweight although I definitaly don’t see him as a can. He should at least defeat Fitch and Alves or at least two top 5 contenders.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
If...
Kos beats Daley, I’d like to see Penn against Koscheck. I’d like to see how he does against Kos’ takedowns. He has a very good double leg. I think the problem is that most people only get one leg on takedown attempts which is a credit to Penn and his takedown defense.
BJ/GSP III shouldn't happen...
Unless BJ runs through at least 3 top 10 WW contenders, including the winner of the Fitch/Alves fight.
He quit- his corner asked him if he wanted to fight and he stayed quiet as a church mouse- he knew he was done and he gave up.
The only reason this match up is even under consideration is because it’s a money maker- it’s got nothing to do with whether he deserves it.
Even Rich Franklin understands he’s got no business fighting the Spider a third time. BJ’s not bright enough to get that…
LOVE THAT MATCHUP!!!
A lot of people who want Serra to drop down to LW all want to see that fight, so if Penn moves up, book it! Big respect for both guys… their first fight UFC 39 was close! Serra is all class though… he’s a huge underdog but hopefully he can shock the world again. Either way, good fight.
He'll destroy Serra
Sorry isnt even close to BJ on any level – its a good warm up fight for sure though.
I’m a huge Penn fan, but the bigger strikers in Semtex, Thiago have me worried – im not sure he can take them to the ground in position – then again he did take the best of GSP for 4 rounds
The best of GSP? I dont get that statement. He got his ass kicked like no other against GSP. He quit on the stool. It wasnt even a fight. It was a one sided beat down on every level. It reminded me of a professional fighter against someone that just started mma. It was ridiculous.
Just call it how it was. Seriously
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
This is a quote from Serra's trainer. BJ should demand a way bigger fight than this.
Besides if he is going to fight at WW he needs a real WW, not a guy who just enjoys meatballs so much he can’t cut weight.
Serra is super stacked tho. Just ask Joe Rogan, he couldnt stop commenting on how “thick” Serra actually is ;)
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by enzo-enormous on Feb 10, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it. Serra is not cut like a beast but he is far from flabby. Thick is strong enough to put you on queer street without gassing. Just ask Trigg.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Penn should get a top 5
Which rules Serra out.
by Lester The Pimp on Feb 10, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions
Agree
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he should but
if he beats a top five he’ll want GSP…I say Serra and then a top 5…2 fights at ww and then GSP if he wins both
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
That's four fights away for BJ then
What’s the point of even talking about a rematch now if BJ has 3 more fights before it can happen. What does GSP do until then? If he goes up to MW he shouldn’t come back down to fight BJ. None of that makes any sense.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
GSP just keeps on beating up WW's..I'm happy with that
and why should BJ even be mentioned fighting GSP again…it wasn’t even close. If anyone should get a rematch why not Fitch, KOS, Alves etc….BJ faired worse than all of the above
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
If BJ beats Fitch or Alves I want to see him get smashed again
I like watching BJ get beaten up.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
I love GSP also but he should move up. He should increase on his legacy. He is stagnant right now.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by the time he fights Hardy...KOS, Daley, Alves, Fitch, or Thiago will be ready for him
Thiago needs a big name next, and needs to win to justify a fight with the champ
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
GSP vs. your choices :
Kos – why? same result as before
Fitch – ditto
Alves – ditto
Daley – just like the Alves fight, Daley has no GG
Thiago – too green, too soon
Nothing left for GSP. Move on up!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Truth!
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
I agree...but the basis of my arguement is that BJ/GSP is redundant, which you just helped me prove
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Not first fight back @ 170
I agree he needs to be fighting top five but would like to see him get bigger over a longer period of time so he can be stronger at 170. When he fights heavier he’s very podgy and can’t even reach 170 properly. If Marv can use his skills to get BJ up to 170 by increasing quality mass (which takes time) then a tune up with a good fighter in Serra would be a great first fight.
I believe BJ should’ve got the decision in the first GSP fight (tin hat on) and think GSP showed the world that you have to be a phenomenal athlete to get close to him in the second fight (which BJ obviously wasn’t at 167lbs) GSP was way too much for him in that. I want the third and final GSP fight to be as even as it can be to settle all the crap. love both guys so saying this with a neutral head.
The smack talk between Serra and Penn will be great too.
Sign it
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Feb 10, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Bj vs serra 2
I for one would actually like to see that fight, there last fight was very close. I would also like to see a rubber match with penn and matt hughes..pointless to many but I still think it would be a big draw…a revenge match. I’m sure penn would jump at either of these two fights. I say he should fight both these guys, if he gets past them fight the next top contender and then get a title shot.
zactly! Penn/Hughes III
is by far the best available matchup for both of them. Big money, big bragging rights, big egos, big grudge. And Hughes is a good test for BJ. If he can’t beat Hughes, he doesn’t need to be messing around at WW…and he can collect a huge check from the experiment.
Hell ya! This wud be a scrap for sure!
Both have gr8 hands & a sick ground game! This fight wud be fun as hell 2 watch!
by d*locc on Feb 10, 2010 1:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Aldo dominates Faber the way I think he will
Aldo moving up vs BJ is the fight I am most interested in seeing. But, if BJ does decide to move up a fight with Serra does make a lot of sense.
I agree
I think this would be pretty good. Serras power vs BJs technique on the feet. With the ground game possible going either way. Im all for it.
Penn vs Serra would be great.
Also a Penn/Hughes 3 would be great too. I’d like to see Bj stay at lw and take a ww fight every now and then- kind of like Anderson Silva fighting at mw and lhw.
Paulo, KOS, Serra, Hardy, daley...any wich way to start would be great
But no matter what I think he should have to go through the winner of the Alves and Fitch fight to get another shot.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
If Im the UFC suits...
BJ beats Edgar. He moves up to WW for 1 fight (like Anderson) and while he does that hope Gomi wins 2 fights. Penn drops back to defend the crown where he will beat Gomi in early 2011. From there if Faber wins vs Aldo and another fight then sure Faber vs Penn. However I dont want Aldo vs Penn. Not until Aldo grows into his frame, he is only 23 and his lanky frame would get eatin alive by Penns clinch and ground game.
BJ fighting GSP doesnt intrigue me as much as Penn going for the WW title while GSP hunts down the MW title.
Penn vs Alves
Penn vs Alves would be the most interesting but Koscheck would be a good fight too. Fitch would be boring as hell like all of his fights
GSP is the biggest pussy in mma...
Why be so safe? You can say what you will about BJ but at least he has the balls to lay it all on the line. If GSP was so great we would see him finish guys at WW and he hasn’t. Guys like Fitch and Alves and Kos all went the distance with the so called great GSP. I don’t see him holding on to the title for much longer. If the UFC would allow knees to downed opponent like we saw in pride GSP would be just another wrestler who went for a shot and got sprawled on and got knees to head from a north south position. The rules are so geared to the style of what GSP has become. A wrestler/Grinder. Think about the knees to downed opponent. All wrestlers would be forced to change there game and think twice about the double.
When was the last time someone was in a position to knee GSP in the head on the ground?
What a stupid post.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
What happened the last time he wasn't smart? He got Ko'd
And he hasn’t heard the end of it since. I guess game planning is frowned upon by guys like Pack Leader.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
yup
I like a good game plan, but do like a guy who goes out there to win, not out there trying not to lose. Just my opinion!
I agree with that Kev
I think my nut hugging of GSP makes all of his fights exciting. Know what I mean? No matter what he is doing, I’m just happy to watch him do it.
OD is incredibly handsome, coureagous and self sacrificing in his endeavour to educate me on MMA and evolve my primitive understanding of the sport; I salute you sir.
It's weird how
some people are blaming GSP for not being the champ at 185 already and when he becomes champ at 185 (have no doubt it will happen) they will say he is a pussy for not fighting at 205. Or for not being in Afghanistan. One thing is certain, there will always be dumbasses like that to say the stupidest shit. How many are there? Just by looking at Sarah Palin’s book sales, it’s safe to say they are legion. We are surrounded by numbnuts who reject facts and roll in delusion like pigs in mud. Nuff said.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
if we ever get that dream matchup of GSP vs Silva, i’ll be one of the dudes predicting GSP, i believe he will win that fight.
I've hated myself for doubting about GSP obliterating Serra
I hate myself for doubting about GSP obliterating Serra at UFC 83.
I loathe myself for thinking Fitch might actually win a decision at UFC 87.
I execrate myself for wondering if GSP would succeed in taking down Alves at UFC 100.
No more.
He will knock Hardy out in the first with a big right.
He will easily beat a couple middleweight contenders.
He will establish himself as the undisputed pound for pound best by submitting Anderson Silva.
It took a while but it finally got to me that GSP is da shit.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. - Herm Albright
It's also weird
that nobody ever screamed at Chuck or Tito tor Hughes to move up when they had long runs of dominance. BJ has LOST 4 of his 5 fights outside of LW. Why would that inspire GSP to follow Penn’s example?
GSP vs Silva makes no sense
I don’t hear anyone screaming for GSP to fight Machida, but Silva is bigger than Machida. I don’t hear anyone expecting GSP to take on Rampage, but Rampage is the same weight as Silva and not as long. GSP says he walks around at 185/186.(though he is trying to beef up) By all accounts Silva walks around at 220-230. How is that a fair fight???
The guys is a player safe fighter.
Try to finish guys not hold um and watch the clock. Hold um and watch the clock fighters drive me crazy. Yes he does damage from the top position but has he ever finished anyone from his newly found love of position mma? MMA use to be a sport where we could see the best Martial Artist out there FIGHT. Not hold guys against the clock. Brock has at least shown he can knock someone silly if he’s on top of you. Now we have guys that take GSP’s blue print and make fights as fun to watch as paint drying. Huggie bear, Cheal sonnon, Jake Shields and most wrestlers who hold and not FINISH!!!
dude, you can’t compare GSP to Huggie Bear or Jake Shields. it’s one thing to hold a guy down and dry hump him for riding time points……and it’s another to contstantly control top position and deliver a vicious beatdown….GSP is definitely grouped in the latter. Sure he’s a dominant wrestler, and he’d be an idiot not to leverage that….but you won’t see him take it easy on anyone. He’s constantly looking to improve to the mount, and then he delivers a shitload of massive strikes until it gets stopped……and if it isn’t stopped and the guy actually goes the distance, he usually looks like he just ran into a truck….BJ Penn, fight was stopped. With Fitch, props to the guy for being one of the toughest bastards around, but he looked like he just climed out of a blender. Alves also went the distance, but looked pretty beat up as well, and GSP fought 3.5 rounds of that fight with a pulled groin and still dominated him……….You don’t have to like GSP, but you can’t put him in the same sentence as shields and huggy…
I guess fighters should go out there and not use their strengths just to please you. That makes sense, so they can all end up like Ali when they’re older. This is MMA not some street fight. Any form of martial arts is allowed, and GSP uses his wrestling and BJJ (He also uses stand-up as well if not better than anyone in the division). Ask Hughes, Serra, Fitch, BJ, and Alves how it feels to be stuck under him. He’s not having a pillow fight down there, and most of these guys looked like hammered-Sh!t after the fight.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
HOLD AND NOT FINISH!!!
I did say he does damage while on top but in my opinion he’s the one champion that does the least to actually put on a good show. Thats my opinion!!! and you don’t have to like it…MM_E and KG12 This guy has already shown that he will do everything NOT TO LOSE! To play it safe. Not to mention grease gate but come on… He’s losing his fans in the process of being a complete wuuuss!!!! I do have a right to voice an opinion because i am a big supporter of MMA. I have been a supporter since the days of Royce onto Pride and still now. Obviously i am still here.
GSP has a higher finish rate than Machida
wish I could remember where I put that list of stats I compiled on highly touted “KO artists” or “submission artists” who have equal or lower finish rates than GSP. It would shock you. It included Rampage, Hendo, the Nog bros, Machida, Randy, Rashad,
dude, you can hate on GSP all you want, everyone has their fighters that they support, and the ones they can’t stand…..i have no problem with that. Hell, i can’t stand BJ Penn personally, but he’s a badass with some unbelievable skills………I’m just calling you out for comparing GSP to Huggy Bear and Jake fvckin Shields……to say that those two guys have taken the GSP blueprint is laughable. GSP is on a level all by himself, his blueprint is unattainable to those clowns. I despise the lay n pray techniques that Huggy and Shields deliver in their fights. They’re just looking for riding time, they’re rarely looking to improve their position, and the damage they impose is minimal, but GSP is nowhere near that category. Were you not impressed with GSP’s performance against Fitch? That was a masterpiece when you consider how accomplished Fitch is….who by the way is probably another guy you dislike based on your preferences, but i wouldn’t compare Fitch to Huggy or Shields either.
Don't sleep on Serra if this fight gets booked.
He’s a jiu jitsu wizard just like BJ, and his hands are just as heavy.
by CantStopTheRUSH on Feb 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions
How about Fitch or Alves
Fitch and Alves in my mind are the number one contenders…. BJ Penn and GSP has had one close fight and one one-sided fight and I would love to see them tie up again. I think GSP would mop the floor with BJ at this point because GSP is dominant right now in a tough tough division but none the less I would love to see two huge names like that in a fight again. However Dana has said that BJ would have to earn another shot against GSP he wouldnt be allowed to just go to Welterweight and fight GSP right away again. I don’t want to see BJ have to fight thru hole Welterweight division to get a shot so let him fight one or both of the top contenders and if he sucessful give him GSP again.
Garbage
Go to MMA-Core.com and look up the GSP vs. Serra 1 fight. Watch closely when Serra catches him with that punch that sent him down. Serra shoots in and strikes him repeatedly. Then what happens next? GSP taps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s the real way to quit. Penn will never tap. Now go back to Hughes vs. Penn 2. Matt has BJ in the crucifix raining punches down on BJ. BJ sits there and takes it like a man. F##K you haters. Penn is the man!!!!!!!!!
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