Leonard Garcia is 'pissed off' about Joe Rogan's criticism of his fighting style
by Geno Mrosko on Dec 6, 2010 10:08 PM EST
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"It does piss me off, because I have nothing to do with the decision. ... it bothers me to hear him say some of that stuff he said. It's kind of a bad deal, but all it's going to do is fire me up for the next one. He talks about certain things that I do in the fight, but that's just my fighting style. I don't fight Joe Rogan's fighting style. I apologize to Joe Rogan, but I can't fight his style. That's not my style of fighting. What makes me who I am is my style of fighting, and people seem to enjoy it. I've won several Fight of the Night [bonuses] because of it, and I enjoy fighting that way. I think it's something the fans deserve, is to see two guys give it their all. And that's one thing I know about myself is I go out there and give it my all."
Leonard Garcia wants fans and pundits alike, including UFC color commentator Joe Rogan, to know he has zero to do with the process of declaring a winner in his fights. In fact, he's not altogether happy about the way Rogan criticized his style during the Spike televised broadcast of the TUF 12 Finale, at one point referring to it as being similar to "throwing rocks." For what it's worth, even company President Dana White thought Nam Phan won the fight and awarded him his win bonus to go along with his show money. Does the "Bad Boy" have a legitimate gripe here? Is Garcia's entertaining style enough to keep you from getting too upset at his repeatedly being involved in controversial decisions? Get after it, Maniacs.
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LOL That was funny
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
It was the wrong decision no doubt
But I agree with him in regards to his style of fighting. It’s reckless and sloppy but fun to watch
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."-Albert Einstein
by Craigo8609 on Dec 6, 2010 10:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Get over it, Rogan was right
Leonard’s style may be crowd friendly and have helped con the judges into giving him undeserved wins but it’s still a very sloppy style of fighting and won’t get him far in the rankings. If he just wants to be exciting then he should stick with throwing wild hooks that completely miss his opponent and gas his arms out in the opening minutes but if he ever wants to challenge the elite or have a long career then he has to be more tactical with his striking so he can actually land his punches. At this point he’ll never beat any decent FWs unless the judges gift him an undeserved win and against any decent counterpunchers or power punchers then he’ll get destroyed.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
I can't stand his retarded technique deficient fight style
He needs more fights like the his fight with MTB
"That fight was like just waiting with tension for the pitbull to rip apart the bunny....
then all of a sudden the bunny turns into fucking bear and fucks up everyone’s moneylines and parlays.." -NNR
Late Takedown FTW
by Synyster_08 on Dec 6, 2010 10:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's retarded that he gets paid so much more than others.
only that is a reason for the commission and ppl to award guys like him decision’s. His best fight was against Huerta b/c it was a first now it’s just getting more and more painful watching Leonard throw in the air, it’s often a sign of someone who’s nervous and very stiff.
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Paid more than others?
He made 8 grand I think on his last fight.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
What a baby
Rogan’s comments were rational, and critiques of his technical execution, not of him personally. He said that over and over. And Garcia is a journeyman so obviously he could use some improvement.
by SnoopSteele on Dec 6, 2010 10:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Exactly
In any other sport he would be in the minor leagues, but in MMA there are so many people who will pay just to see some “action” meaning they just want to see someone swing for the fences all the time. It drives me crazy and Joe is right to point out that his technique sucks.
It’s like a quarteback who just will not check down to a diffrent receiver or throw it away when he’s in trouble. Instead he throws the pick, or get’s sacked for a loss. Unless your name is Favre you get benched.
The only reason he has received fight of the night bonuses is that he was blessed with a good chin. That will not last forever… just ask Chuck. Once his chin starts to go and he’s getting knocked out then let’s see how long the UFC keeps him around.
What sucks is if he would just work off the jab, add in more feints and the occsional leg kick, and pick his moments to flurry like a wild man he would do so much better.
I appreciate Garcia's heart and enthusiasm
He’s fun to watch and has a great mental game.
But Rogan knows what he’s taking about and was objectively correct.
by SnoopSteele on Dec 7, 2010 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He needs to FOTN bonuses...
to keep paying off the judges
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
He can fight in whatever fashion he wants
He has been able to win over quite a few clueless judges en route to 4 or so gift decisions. He wins bonuses regularly. But to ask Rogan or anyone else to endorse his sloppy brawling style as anything else is unreasonable. He is not effective and should probably be on a 6-7 fight losing streak.
Technique and aggression are two different things.
His aggressive style and his technique are two different things. Many people, myself included, like watching his fights because he’s so aggressive.
Imagine Kalib Starnes (lack of) aggressiveness but with Garcia’s technique. No one wants to see that!
There’s no reason why Garcia can’t be technical and remain equally exciting.
His abysmal technique pisses me off
I haven’t even had my first amateur boxing match and I’m more technical than he is. Hell, I think I could possibly even take him (only featherweight in the world I’ll say that about). Not like I can’t see his punches a mile away…
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
Also, because I love posting this
This will happen EVERY TIME he fights a power puncher. I hope they bring in Omigawa to give him a boxing lesson in the ring.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
He's not a boxer
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I'm talking about Garcia.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I dont agree...
With all the hate for Garcia, he gives it his all very single time, and does it for us! He never plays it safe, and always put himself in dangerous situations to entertain the fans, how can you not respect someone like this?
by Mississauga MMA on Dec 6, 2010 10:52 PM EST reply actions
When he's too stupid/stubborn to fix his shitty technique.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
I don't think he does it for the fans. I just think he has ZERO talent and swinging for the fences is all he knows.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I agree with you. Whatever helps LG get paid and whatever helps him win - more power to him. I don't think brawling is MMA but people like to be entertained. Its the judges' fault anyway. Blaming LG is ridiculous.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Dec 6, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It is sloppy...
but he seems to enjoy himself, smiles everytime he gets caught(and not Ko’d that is ha) so I like to watch him. Instead of focusing on Garcia for a bogus win, they should focus on these judges awarding way too much for takedowns resulting in……well, nothing! Take someone down, don’t gain real control, don’t do damage, don’t get shit!!!
Bang the virgins, and defeat the Cults...
you need at least one fight on a card like this. garcia is very entertaining and he won't change his ways if he keeps winning with his style?
was it joe rogan who called garcia vs the korean zombie the fight of the year?
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 7, 2010 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, OJR. Further, I don't think it's Rogan's place to harp about how awful someone's game is either. It's one thing to point out technical deficiencies, and it's another to go on and on about it and make comments like,
“It looks like he’s throwing rocks”. If that had been Frank Shamrock commentating, everyone on this board would be completely up in arms. And yes, as far as the decision goes, it’s completely on the judges, if someone actually get’s mad at Garcia for that they are completely stupid.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
People just look for something to bitch about.
" Fitch is lame he never trades with anyone always plays it safe."
“Garcia is lame his technique sucks and he just wings haymakers for three rounds.”
Some people just can’t win for losing
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Dec 7, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Garcia is an MMA fighter. He's been doing this for a very long time
he takes pride in being an MMA fighter. He trains to be an MMA fighter. Yet he goes into matches with as much of a chance of winning as Toney and Slice.
He’s become a freak show.
"Remember that shit I gave you last week nigga? It's nothing nigga, it's nothin', it's nothing nigga, nigga it's nothing. This shit right here, nigga! This shit right here nigga, right here this shit nigga! This shit right here nigga!....This shit called deaf nigga!"
"That don't even sound attractive, you mean Ima hit it and die nigga?"
"Naw nigga, not death nigga, nigga DEAF! You hit this shit twice, you can't hear nothin'"
ehh, he brings it everytime I'll always enjoy his fights
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Dec 7, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Onemansyn said all that needs to be said.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I think he missed the he completely missed the point of what Rogan was saying. He said that he liked Garcia’s style, just that if he would make few technical refinements it would more effective
That's what I thought
I’ve hear Rogan go on and on about his fight with the Korean Zombie. How great that fight was and how exciting it was to watch.
It is his job to point out what’s happening in the ring and why someone is or is not doing well. That’s what a sports commentator especially a color man does.
Garcia was not doing well because he was (and always does) wing his punches like he’s fighting a swarm of bees.
i didnt watch this event except for part of the maia fight but apparently from what ive been readin, rogan just spent the entire night bitching...trashing your event doesnt help people viewing it..no wonder people left it and tuned into strikeforce..
but a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that there are so many fucking commercial breaks during a ufc spike card that people just get sick of that shit….and its really gonna fuck you when there is another free mma event on at the same time that has no commercials…
i mean think about it….on spike cards you NEVER get to see fighter entrances…you NEVER get to see the talk between the fighter and the corner between rounds…you dont get to see the multiple replays of the action of what happened in the round between the rounds while listening to rogan and goldie break the round down…they rarely do post fight interviews…
they try to fight as MANY commercials in as possible…its so fucking annoying…i cant fucking take it…and the bad thing is that you are FUCKED if a fight ends in the 1st round…cause you’re looking at 20 minutes of commercials before the next fight starts….
i understand that the commercials are how the ufc and spike make money…the sponsors buy commercial time for their products and money is made…but the shit is outta control….i mean, how much money does bud light pay to have their logo in the octagon? it seems to me that the ufc could sell adspace around the octagon…and make more money….
seems to me that mcdonalds could benefit more by paying to have buffer do a verbal plug during fighter announcements than to have a gay commercial…how many times does that happen at ppvs….buffer being in their like “brought to you by call of duty, out on such and such date” shit works so much better than a call of duty commercial"
when was the last time fedor beat someone that cain wouldnt absolutely destroy? i cant think of a single person...
I here ya
Joe’s bitchin wasn’t that bad, and honestly his criticism’s are usually correct IMO, so to me it’s like another buddy in the room saying the same shit that’s being said in my living room.
As far as the commercials go, the live events broadcasts from america aren’t as bad as the tape delayed events from Europe. Those tape delayed events drive me crazy because they don’t have to neccesarily cut back to the fight after the break between rounds.
What I do is DVR the event and I don’t start watching for about 1 1/2 hours after it’s started. I always catch back up by the main event. I just have to stay away from the internet and phone.
It is annoying!!! And as you mentioned, fighters entrances, post fight interviews and even replays as Joe breaks it down creates fans for these fighters.
And it’s usually the lesser known fighters on these cards that need more fans. Hella made a good point. There are other ways to make money bc those things I just mentioned are important, also for the whole experience of the event.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Rogan......
was correct on what he was saying. Sure he’s won some fights etc…but he’s also lost because of that style. I honestly don’t see why he even had a corner. He didn’t listen to a thing they said.
Forrest Griffin had that same problem then he realized yeah I’m putting on exciting fights but it’s not getting me any where. Once Griffin changed his style he eventually became champ. Sure he lost his belt but if he would have never changed that style he would have not gotten there.
I think Garcia realizes that he’ll never be a contender, so he aims to put on exciting fights. Criticism aside, other fighters do the same. Marcus Davis and Clay Guida come immediately to mind, but I’m sure you can think of others.
In the UFC, if you aren’t able to stay on the roster due to talent, you have to become someone the fans like to watch.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Agreed. Lytle even admitted that he adjusts his striking and mentality to specifically earn FOTN bonuses.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
yeah he realized he wouldnt fight for the title again
So he was just fighting for the fun of fighting and since then he has gone on a little streak. What fighting without pressure can do for a fighter
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Dec 7, 2010 2:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
WTF Rogan?
Yes the decision was total and utter B.S. Probably the worst in the UFC’s history. But Rogan did dog his style over and over and over and over for 15 minutes straight. That got old. This guys got friends and family watching. Nobody’s style deserves that much criticism, especially from a non-fighter such as Rogan.
But face it, Garcia's style is why he isn't getting any closer to the belt
Rogan kept saying he likes Garcia and enjoys watching him, but he has a lot of room to grow. He’s right, you can’t argue with that.
I can see how it got old for some but he probably thinks Garcia really needs to hear it.
And trying to discredit him by saying he’s a “non-fighter” isn’t valid, his combined knowledge of all martial arts is unparalleled with any other commentator. I don’t think anybody else out there can give a more insightful play-by-play.
Leo G. is the man
Granted he shud tune his style a bit but the guys morals for fighting are wht everyones shud b
by johnnysmash on Dec 7, 2010 12:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
the guys morals for fighting are wht everyones shud b
What does that even mean? Are you referring to his mentality of “just have an exciting fight”? If so I couldn’t disagree with you more. Someone who throws technique out the window in favor of a brawl is not what I look for in MMA. That mentality is more suitable for a Toughman competition.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
i said morals not technique
I clearly said he needs to work on it. By morals i mean be tries his hardest to put on a show. He doesn’t go in there with tht " I’ll wait til the round is almost over and get a TD ftw" or lnp abusers. The guy wants to out on shows for us.
by johnnysmash on Dec 7, 2010 1:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And that mentality is what I was referring to.
His lack of technique is tied up in his fight mentality. He’s trying to put on a show instead of using his tools to the best of his ability to win. I prefer fighters who want to maximize their abilities to win, not just “put on a show”. Just a difference of opinion.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
agreed
It should stay a SPORT.
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Dec 7, 2010 2:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He doesn’t go in there with tht " I’ll wait til the round is almost over and get a TD ftw" or lnp abusers.
ummm, garcia did exactly that in this last fight
"Prohibition… goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control mans’ appetite through legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not even crimes… A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our Government was founded"
stfu garcia
what ever happened to him being quoted a week before this fight saying that the hominick fight " taught him a valuble lesson" you fucking fout just as shitty as you always do
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Funny how ppl hate on Garcia's style but love watching Leben fight because he "always brings it"
I enjoyed that fight and I’ve enjoyed watching his other fights. Would you rather he dance and evade like Machida or grind him on the ground like Fitch?
Confucius says:
"Baseball is wrong; man with four balls cannot walk."
AGREE, cant stand the other retards in this here
Garcia was the ONLY ONE on the entire UFC card that was exciting to see.
the ufc should thank him
by Lester The Pimp on Dec 7, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
Leban does always bring it,
but he has also evolved as well. He is not the same mindless slugger he used to be. He paces himself more, picks his shots, goes for takedowns and even gets subs. He does go out and try to please the crowd, but he fights a lot smarter than he ever used to. The same cannot be said about Garcia. Garcia may well be entertaining to watch, but that doesn’t mean people cannot bitch about his compete lack of technique. Gurgel goes out there to please the crowd and to put on a show, even to the point of not using his jits, but even though he gets losses, his striking is much more accurate and a lot easier on the eye to watch than Garcias.
by Ade on Dec 7, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
reply fail...twice
nicely done
"Prohibition… goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control mans’ appetite through legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not even crimes… A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our Government was founded"
It was a close fight in my eyes.
I thought Phan won but I also thought it was a close fight. Maybe I need to watch it again but as far as I am concerned if it is even a little bit close neither fighter has any room to bitch. I really thought Nam could have went a little bit harder in the last round at least.
by ScrapPackBackAgain on Dec 7, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions
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