KA-BLAM! "Semtex" explodes on "Hands of Steel," sending Smith crashing to the canvas like a lifeless oak (gif). Knockout of the year?
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Scott Smith should be forced to retire.
He’s a fucking mess.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
probably?
it probably doesnt suit him to come in swinging for the fence with his head in the air against someone like Daley
but isnt reckless striking what the people wanna see?
and Boom goes the dynamite.
no ppl wanna see Daley type of striking.
his performance was fucking brilliant , also wrestlers who can’t fight shouldn’t stand up for a second. Lindland type of guys who were never fighters gets brutally murdered.
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daley type of striking+pure power imo
very stodgy striking like james irvins,nothing fluid about it at all but devastatingly effective
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
pure power?
he’s all technique and his timing is excellent, that’s how you strike and his movement is awesome.
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his technique is throwing wide powerful hooks
movement? when?what fight?
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
if you open your eyes you'll see.
everything takes it’s technique.
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we got into this the other day
daley is blessed nothing to do with technique.he even says as much in interviews his power is god given.
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
im not saying his technique is poor
but it is severley overrated imo his power gets him through
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
nah, that's totally wrong.
power is nothing… if you can’t land and get hit on your chin it’s over
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i just look at his record and i dont see any elite strikers
thats all lets see how he does against diaz or even noons
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
yea, maybe we'll see.
but Daley fighting Noons is almost unfair, he’s got so many more weapons.
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hes bigger,better mt
but id give the straight up boxing to noons
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Scott Smith should have never been fighting Daley at 170. That was like Margarito fighting Pac Man. Its just not fair, sure he has a size advantage but that doesnt matter when the bigger guy is a lower to mid tier fighter and the smaller guy is a mid to high tier fighter.
Daley doesnt have “elite” striking despite what people think. He has power and he has good technique. Nick Diaz would be a true test as to how good Daleys striking really is.
Fighting Noons would favor Noons in my opinion. Noons actually has a ground game if he were to work on taking it there. And we all know about Daleys ground game.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
thanks ans
people hang off daleys balls about his striking but only his power impresses me and ive said that from day 1
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Ive yet to be impressed with his combos, yet to be impressed with his precision. He swarms with power and overwhelms people.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
daley looked good against smith
-good movement always boucning
-didn’t over commit when he had smith rocked
-fast crisp punches
-keeps his hands up
You don’t need to punch in combos to be a good boxer.
And his precision was good. He landed almost every punch against smith.
just mho
by Weedsuplement on Dec 5, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
And thanks for that
But the thing is Scott Smith was brought in to make Daley look that way. Smith is a brawler. So it was easy for Daley to pick him off, he did rush in when he rocked him initially… and when Smith is coming staright forward with no angles, no change of level, flat footed, hardly guarded its easy to land crisp accurate punches.
Daley is a very good striker… Smith just made him look better
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
agreed i just think that daley should get some credit
by Weedsuplement on Dec 5, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
cause its not the win that was impressive
it was just getting to see him fight that i enjoyed.
by Weedsuplement on Dec 5, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
For sure. And he will get his credit with either a number one contender fight, a main even fight or a title fight.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
daley would have an advantage against diaz in the striking.
and noons, anything else is ridiculous. Daley is a striker, KJ and Diaz are boxers.
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diaz vs daley in straight up kickboxing and Diaz gets TKO’d.. almost guaranteed
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Unfortunately we are in MMA. Diaz can beat Daley on the feet. Tell me the last time someone beat Diaz on the feet?
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
noons did and gomi busted him up pretty well in their fight before totally gassing out.
it’s true that you don’t know before you see it but Diaz vs Daley on the feet would be good. Diaz though would most likely get hit way too hard as he is boxing and tries to set up combos and stay in the pocket. His legs could be in danger as well.
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btw, since this is mma.
Daley has even more of an advantage, he masters more stand-up disciplines than Diaz does.
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If thats the case you are wrong. Because Nick knows what a ground game is. All he does is shoot a few times, pull guard and it will throw Daleys striking off.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Doesnt mean he wont either. Striking skills wise Noons in my opinion is far more gifted then Daley. And Nick did just fine.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I personally don't think
Nick’s boxing is superb and in an elite category. I don’t know why people assume he’s got excellent technique and his combos are always on point espcially since we haven’t seen him fight other top level strikers. Both diazes simply throws millions of simple strikes until you gas and become a punching bag. Then when they work you like a punching bag it makes them look like dynamos. Plenty of volume strikers in the world, and plenty of guys have outstruck them. As far as 170, i think Alves and BJ would easily mash them up but the field is almost barren when it comes to strikers so we won’t ever see them pushed on that level. Hell KJ showed that boxing against him isn’t always an uphill battle.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 5, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I can see all that for sure, Nick isnt elite but I do love his combos and his changing of levels and angles he throws his strikes. But you are right his punches in bunches system shouldnt be interpreted as elite. Its effective though.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
There are very few elite strikers at WW, the division is dominated by grapplers
Even GSP only utilises his striking to make his wrestling more unpredictable so it’s easier for him to take his opponent down.
Daley has as good striking at 170 as anyone, he is constantly improving and developing his technique in Holland and Thailand and always looks a step ahead of his opponent in the stand-up. He made a power puncher in Smith and a good technical kickboxer in Kampmann look like amateurs and showed a mix of power, timing and accuracy to easily win those fights. Daley’s problem is that he has no plan B, if he can’t find his range on the feet or defend takedowns then he has nothing else to offer. That’s what has always held him back and is why he’ll never beat more well rounded fighters like GSP, Diaz, Kos or BJ (and arguably Noons) or even superior grapplers like Shields and Fitch. In pure striking I’d pick Daley over just about anyone but against great strikers with superior grappling he is going to always struggle. I’d like to see him against top boxers like Nick or KJ next to see how he deals with another great striker though if either of them are smart they’ll just take advantage of Daley’s main weakness: his grappling. Kampmann showed what happens when you try to beat Semtex at his own game and Kos showed how easily you can beat him by fighting smart.
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he timed that left hook prettyy well
it was a counter, same with his hazlett knockout.
by theworldismine on Dec 5, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
yeah watch his foot work,
and jabs; his hooks are perfectly thrown from behind the body to- when you throw a hook, the motion is totally from your quads and hips, and Daley twists brilliantly
by theworldismine on Dec 5, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
i meant Scott Smith
of course people wanna see people like Daley, but you dont give him much competition in Scott Smith, who is the one who comes out swinging.
and Boom goes the dynamite.
When you're only other legit welterweight is the champ, Coker needed a way to make Daley a contender
Enter Scott Smith, a guy who has a name due to comeback victories, has been hit hard in every fight that he has ever been in, and is willing to cut to 170.
Now Coker can sleep well at night when he books Diaz/Daley since Daley won a fight at 170 against a name in SF.
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Thats untrue. Zaromskis, Cyborg and Woodley were all welterweights currently unscheduled who could have fought Daley. This was SF sending in their sacrificial lamb to promote Daley to main event status.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
agree with both posts
zaromskis,cyborg and woodley were too risky and couldve finished his sf career before it started he will probably get diaz straight away
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Diaz vs Mayhem, Woodley, Daley and Cyborg are all fights that make sense for the SF 170 pound division.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I would agree with Cyborg (forgot about him)
Woodley still needs a few fights, but is a great prospect and Zaromskis, who already lost to Nick and Evangelista, beating him would confirm that he is not a contender and ruin Coker’s plans.
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I guess my overall point...
is that SF is not deep in any division and Coker has been doing everything he can to make sure his few good guys do not fight each other very often unless it is for a title or title shot.
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Beating Zaromskis means the same as Smith. Smith isnt relevent at 170 or 185. At least Zaromskis showed promise vs both Nick and Cyborg. And is actually a welterweight. Woodley is more then a prospect already SF is just babying him in the challengers series.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think that Woodley would beat all of the SF WWs including Diaz
Nick’s wrestling is still his main weakness so if Woodley has the cardio to fight for 5 rounds then he could pose major problems for Nick. He’d easily beat the strikers of the division who can’t grapple like Semtex, Whitemare, Cyborg and Smith as well. KJ would be a tough opponent but I don’t think his TDD is good enough to stop an elite wrestler from taking him down, he’d lose to both Gil and Woodley imo.
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overeaching for shots aswell with a striker like paul
but thats Smith for u.If he doesnt retire soon hes gonna end up watching repeats of his wedding video trying to remember his own name!
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
He's a horrible throw-back to the days when "banging" was somewhat useful.
I hate watching him fight but he always seems to be involved in a giant knockout.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
He also made Pete Sell look really good until the last punch.
It’s his job. Get knocked out to make someone look good.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
yeah the pete sell possum punch will be forever etched in my memory..
but seriously i really fear for his health and babalu now.fuck fighters pride their own team should refuse to train them no ones wants to see someone seriously hurt
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Add Lindland to that list
I like Scott but that was a scary KO, surely he can find something else to make money without having to pit his health at risk. He’s a father and has more responsibilities than just making money, I hope he takes that into consideration because the last thing his kids need is a vegetable.
Lindland and Babalu are both veterans and in Matts case he’s an intelligent guy with a political career. Neither man needs the money anymore so at this point it’s silly for either to continue competing when they’re consistently being KOd whenever they face top guys. Matts 40 so after those vicious KO defeats to Vitor and Robbie (and a beatdown from Jacare) it’s silly for him to continue fighting.
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by David W-S on Dec 5, 2010 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not KO of the Year
This one should be if we are judging from last night. And from I hear the Garza KO on the undercard of the UFC last night is even better.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
its mad how he automatically rolls over to pull guard even though hes on queer street
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Sadly it's that experience that got him KO'd.
Had he turtled and waited for Robbie to jump all over his back, he would be a lot closer and rolling to half would be safer. Blindly rolling back especially against massive hitters like hendo or robbie while they have distance might get you flattened.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 5, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Very true, but he also may have done it on instinct as he may have been seeing stars already
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why does Lawler straighten his legs?
Thats kind of funny
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Keep his spine straight. Its actually incredible that with all the adrenaline pumping Robbie even cares about that.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
He's definitely a better human that he used to be
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wow
Just watched the Garza KO, that was brutal. Anyone who has a UFC vault subscription should go watch it. One knee and the guy was out
by Bk. on Dec 5, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Perfect Timing
Great Body for that type of striking. Maz was right on him too, good job of protecting the fighters. I really like how he pushes Maz’ head away after being tackled though….
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by Chunky Lee Chong on Dec 5, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
i have to respectfully disagree,
your picking a knockout that had to be finished with a ground punch over a clean, just as brutal ko, landed with much better technique.
by theworldismine on Dec 5, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is it really "exploding"
If it takes 3 identical strikes.. Not even in a combo.
I guess that does go with the “semtex” branding though. 1 blast won’t bring something down…but add enough together and it gets the job done.
lol, I always wondered about his nickname.
Semtex does very little damage unless used in astronomical proportions, but is good for small, controlled blasts in confied spaces (locks, windows, etc.) Nothing like what you see in the movies.
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Ill keep track myself.
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by *Californication* on Dec 5, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Precision power, maybe?
Although those hooks are WAY too wide.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
When the IRA aggresively active,
You would hear semtex metioned all the time on the news here in the UK, because that was the main explosive they would use for their car bombs etc. Most people in th UK (of a certain age) would know exactly why he chose the nickname, its actually strange hearing some people asking what it is, when in the UK at one point, you would wonder if a dodgy looking park car was going to blow up, or a litter bin was going to explode due to the IRA;s semtex.
by Ade on Dec 7, 2010 6:26 AM EST up reply actions
Props to Strikeforce
Say what you want about them, they put on awesome shows and have the best matchmaking formula.
yeah lets put bums like Babalu, Scott Smith, and Matt Lindland against good strikers.
and watch them get KTFO
and Boom goes the dynamite.
Babalu fought a great striker in Lawler and won and Smith has a victory over Cung Le. Lindland took Jackson to a close decision. Its not like these guys were bad against strikers or didn’t stand a chance. That was the outcome on that night and it made for a great night of fights.
Lawler is not a great striker
Cung le is an actor and wins over him don’t mean anything. Lindland was good 10 years ago. It was a card full of mid level fighters.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
Lol. It was a flash KO. It was a well timed hook with his eyes closed and head down. It was his signature strike.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
im not saying they werent great in the day. Or havent done great things. But right now none of these guys are top 5-10 in the UFC
and Boom goes the dynamite.
well thats maybe not true.
daley may have got in there if he didnt go nuts on Kos.
But Kos showed us a good wrestler would beat him. GSP, Fitch, Shields all handle Daley
and Boom goes the dynamite.
Daley is easily in the top 10. Don’t forget the card showcased a great prospect in OVP and showed Bigfoot’s awesome comeback against a live dog in Kyle. Strikeforce definitely gets the advantage here.
Its easy to beat a guy
After he breaks his hand on your face.
Silva embarrassed himself.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Dec 5, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
might be top 10
gsp
fitch
kos
alves
condit
diaz
hardy(tools daley in sparring)
condit
lytle
young diaz
story,foster,hendricks,kampman,ellenberger,shields
interesting to see where hes placed with all those wrestlers
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
because of a stupid gameplan
i wouldnt expect him to beat him again
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
not disagreeing with the facts ur right hes justborderline top 10
for me but even the guys on the cusp ellenberger,story,foster,hendricks etc have a great chance of beating him
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Any wrestler that can take one punch per round can beat Daley
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any good wrestler
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i wouldnt argue with that
sf is way better for him with the ufc being wrestler heavy.some interesting fights
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Alves lost 2 straight and has nothing on daley.
In fact no striker in the WW division in MMA has anything on Daley.
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in striking?lol
but u still think tito is relevant so enough said
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
in striking yes.
GSP is not a striker, he’s good but Daley is a striker.
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and id bet daley wouldnt land a glove on bj and would be jabbed to death
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
lol.
yea, BJ. He’d get kicked to death first and foremost and then he’d get kneed and most likely TKO’d.. Daley is much bigger also.
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You’re saying Daley is good yet GSP isn’t?
LOL
WTH? Daley is beating cans. Even Stefan Struve looks good sometimes when given the right opponents. Didn’t you wonder why SF was putting Scott “my entire body and head is my button” Smith against an elite striker (according to you)? He’s being fed cans to give SF another name fighter to face their actual talent.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
no, i'm not saying that.
I’m saying GSP ain’t a pure striker which he’s not… He’s about mixing it up… I don’t have to see Daley against a “name” to be able to see that he’s got mad striking skills
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How about Daley in a police lineup to see he's got mad striking skills
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by hairybumcrack on Dec 5, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
no..
unfortunately he isn’t, he hasn’t got the right mentality.
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Dude you are delusional if you dont think GSP isnt a striker, a wrestler, a grappler and a well rounded mixed martial artist. He outstruck Kosheck, Fitch, Hughes, Penn and Alves.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Why would one want to be one-dimensional
Those that are will never become a champion.
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
by hairybumcrack on Dec 5, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
No kidding
GSP is probably the most well rounded fighter period. Although he used to strike more in the past, there is nothing wrong with lots of GNP as well.
For all you non-believers, watch the Fitch fight again.
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
by hairybumcrack on Dec 5, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
That was a long time ago though
GSP only uses his striking to mix up his wrestling. He has the striking skills to beat up most WWs on the feet but he prefers to take them down, ground and pound them and look for the submission. Like Rampage’s wrestling, the ability is still there it’s just rarely used.
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This^^^^
Lol that’s so true!
by IdontREADthreads-THREADSreadME! on Dec 5, 2010 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
SF had a shit card as well
It just looked good beside a TUF finale card. I thought putting a bunch of 40 year olds on a card was a horrible idea. Hendo, Semtex, Smith, Babalu, Lindland, LAwler….
These guys are going nowhere.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
Lindlands done for sure. But Babalu has shown that he can hang with guys like Lawler. Smith is on the way out but has some good fights at 185. Semtex looked great and will be back in the UFC soon.
Semtex will always look good against guys without wrestling.,
And he’s too one-dimensional for the UFC to care about him.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
Daley won't make it back to the UFC
Danass is too proud and too stupid at the same time…
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
by hairybumcrack on Dec 5, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
If he got Yvel, he will get Daley back. He doesn’t care about that stuff as long as a rival doesn’t have a major draw.
Daley wont be back. I would be willing to say 99% sure
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
he should let him back in.
that kinda shit happens always in sports. Arguing with refs is huge anywhere else. Its only because its already a fight, so if a fight breaks out…then a fight breaks out, at a fight?
Suspension and fines and keep him in the UFC.
and Boom goes the dynamite.
You never know
He " permanently banned Karo too and wejust saw him in the ufc. And as for KO of the year? We will have to wait until after next weekend to judge that when GSP lands a left head kick on Kos. I’m sure GSP will be all class too and bring the newly brain damaged Josh a coloring book while he’s in the hospital
by soupdz28 on Dec 5, 2010 11:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Karo having panic attacks vs Daley throwing an illegal strike that was a cause for controversy
Huge difference
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
He holds a win over Kampmann, who many say should be fighting GSP for the title and has beaten good grapplers like Hazelett and Masvidal. He held his own against Kos even though he lost. Daley is legit.
Semtex is easily good enough for the UFC
It’s his attitude that’s a problem, he’s a hothead who can’t keep his cool after the fight and hes unreliable because he’s missed weight a bunch of times. Add to that he’s a loudmouth who can’t form a sentence without swearing so he’s a bad ambassador for the sport. Hes burnt too many bridges to ever be invited back so his proven talent will never be shown on the big stage again. Daley even said himself that he’ll never change so he’s never going to be allowed back into the UFC.
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by David W-S on Dec 5, 2010 10:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and hes a thug outside the cage aswell
he knocks about with some naughty people
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
the only thing he did well in the kos fight was to not get choked out
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
not true.
Kos won on a flawed system. He didn’t fight Daley, he layed on him for 15 mins. Even Josh himself would admit that and that was his whole plan.
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How is it a flawed system. He CONTROLLED Daley the entire fight. Thats how you win fights. The “flawed” system played no part in that. If Daley wanted to win maybe he would have worked on how to get up off his back.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
and how easy is it to get back up when the person you are going against.
Is a professional at holding people down, cause that’s what wrestlers are. It’s basically impossible if the other person is good.
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Right..Lets turn that around to show you the flawed logic
How hard is it to win a fight standing when the person you are going against is a professional at knocking people out while standing. Because that’s what Strikers are, it’s basically impossible if the other person is good……
The Only Way to Get Ahead is Through Decapitation.
by Chunky Lee Chong on Dec 5, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
but it's a fight.
holding someone down for dear life is not fighting.
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Standing Up=Fighting?
Taking a grown man and putting him on his back and keeping him there isn’t that easy to do. Sounds like you should watch Toughman Competitions or K1 then, because by your definition only a stand up fight is really a fight. I hate lay’n’pray, wall’n’stall, ect as much as the next guy, but at some point these 1dimensional fighters need to evolve. If you can’t get up, then work on your guard and submission skills. He had 3 rounds start standing, and did NOTHING with it.
The Only Way to Get Ahead is Through Decapitation.
by Chunky Lee Chong on Dec 5, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
fighting is a toughman competition.
striking, submissions and slamming are the only parts of fighting, holding someone down is not and if that’s all you can do then you deserve to get stood up for weak ass ground game.
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that's the part ppl ignore.
and why no quality strikers gets involved or talked about when they are in fact as good martial artists as the wrestlers coming in.
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Honestly your argument doesnt make sense for anyone other then guys with no grappling games. Holding someone down is called positional control and that is part of MMA.
Learn some sweeps.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
holding someone down is holding someone down. that’s what it is. is the sport about fighting or what? are u supposed to just get world class sweeps just like that to get away from someone who’s trained his whole life on holding people down?
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No your supposed to train for mixed martial arts. Which includes wrestling both offensively and defensively.
BJ Penn won one of the most prestigous BJJ titles in three years of learning the sport. While I would wager 90% in that tourney trained their whole life.
Koscheck did HS wrestling and collegiate. GSP out wrestled him with his experience being since he joined the sport.
Travis Browne outstruck James McSweeney a world class kickboxer without having those same credentials.
Jon Jones tossed Matt Hammill.
The list goes on and on.
And yes holding people down is a sport, no actually an art, oh wait actually a discipline… of mixed martial arts.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
You seem to be arguing that Josh didn't win the fight.
Who did? It sure wasn’t the fans.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
You said "kos won on a flawed system".
Can you watch that fight and tell me which system Daley would have won on? Since Josh only won with the UFC’s rules….What rules or system would have given Daley the win?
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
Maybe K1 Rules?
I guess if we could take away all wrestling, jj or any other ground work, Semtex could have won that fight…Kos didn’t ‘lay’ on Daley, he took him down at will and controlled him like a 12 year old kid. If all you can do is fight stand up, you will eventually be exposed by superior all around skill.
by Chunky Lee Chong on Dec 5, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
no jay you are making assumptions.
I say Daley lost on a flawed system and that means he simply would have had a better chance at doing something if the rules were different, if refs would stand them up more often, break the fighters apart.. Dan Miragliotta was the ref in that fight and he let Kos lay on Daley for way too long without doing much of anything which should never be allowed. Then there’s no knees from the bottom and and all of those things that makes it extremely hard to be dynamic from the bottom.
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josh won the fight and probably could and would have won anyways.
but Daley is in a bad spot b/c of the favorable system and rules that allows someone to lay all over you and pin you down for 15 mins.
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no doubt maia is a better martial artist on the ground
and your point is?
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
by hairybumcrack on Dec 5, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
You say some fucked up shit.
If the refs would seperate them and stand them up more Daley would have stood a better chance? LOL I guess if they changed the rules Daley would be a good fighter. I can agree with that. IF mma was kickboxing Daley would be good at it. Makes sense to me.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
Daley is a great fighter better than most. He’s never going to be the best wrestler but since the thing is in america and they have to protect their own college/high school sport wrestling it’s basically impossible for a guy like Daley to get as fair of a shot as a wrestler.
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HAHA
You always say it has something to do with America. MMA rules are basically the same no matter what country you fight in. They are called “Unified rules”. Not America’s rules.
Daley is a good KO artist. He’s not a good fighter and he’s not a good striker. It doesn’t matter where he fights, if it’s mma he will be taken down and pwned everytime by most smart fighters. They don’t have to be wrestlers or americans, he just has horrible grappling.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
yea i do, if the thing was in italy i'd be talking about italy.
it’s always politics.
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not a good fighter and not a good striker?
man whatever, you are obviously in denial and just entertaining yourself by writing complete shit.
daley’s got a 26-9-2 record by a fluke? and kos couldn’t do shit on the ground because Daley was crap?
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Semtex is an awesome striker
He can’t wrestle at all though and whilst his defensive BJJ is getting better he still offers no offense off his back and can only get the fight back to his feet if the ref stands them up. To suggest that he isn’t a great striker or in contrast that he is well rounded is just silly.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
Knees from the bottom?
You can be dynamic from the bottom. It’s called Jiu Jitsu. lol. I get what your saying, but IMO, the only flaw in that fight was Daley’s lack of all around game.
The Only Way to Get Ahead is Through Decapitation.
by Chunky Lee Chong on Dec 5, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
well.
koscheck didn’t have any ground game either, they both laid there with kos holding him down.
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Who was on top?
Why didn’t Daley just get up? He’s the better fighter and all that…
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
+1
The Only Way to Get Ahead is Through Decapitation.
by Chunky Lee Chong on Dec 5, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair the knees from the back is a valid point
Rogan made a good case for it on TUF when Igor got a point deducted for kneeing Bonnar off his back. Allowing you to knee your opponent off your back or upkick them when their knees are down would give strikers a better chance at winning off their backs and would force the guys on top to take more care with where they position themselves. Those strikes are no worse than knees and kicks from the clinch or on the feet and removing those technicalities would force wrestlers to work more as if they get lazy on top then they put themselves in danger of getting caught.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
True
I agree, there should be some more stand ups when someone is just hugging, (lentz/winner), and allowing some more strikes from the bottom would open it up a bit more. But at the same time, people like Daley need to evolve if they want to hang. It only serves you to be well rounded. Strikers who can wrestle in reverse (Chuck,Rampage ect)can always dictate where the fight goes, and that will ALWAYS be and advantage.
The Only Way to Get Ahead is Through Decapitation.
by Chunky Lee Chong on Dec 5, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
formula
1 part bum
1 part mid to upper tier fighter
mix styles accordingly in a cage
set timer for 5 min at 1 round a piece
(add tippy toe standing, octave changing midget commentator for added flavor)
voila! your dish is ready to be served and enjoyed by all at the local bowling alley.
Big John
Why does BJM run over and take a cheap shot on Daley?
by Dennis Phillips on Dec 5, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions
Strikeforce did put on a good show last night compared to the finale
by malito3og3 on Dec 5, 2010 10:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Bad Sign for SF
When their card had about every major SF fighter that they can reliably book, and people are acting like it “beating” a TUF finale is a good thing.
The fact that those 2 shows are being directly compared is sad.
by Lunatic-Fridge on Dec 5, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
We get it
You work for the UFC PR machine.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
every major fighter but no championship bouts?? LMFAO
Somebody has been drinking Dana’s ball sweat.
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
LOL!!!!!!!!!! they have a LOT of talent that was not on the card last night in quite a few different divisions...
SF puts on good fights
its a SHAME that someone can call themselves MMA fans yet root AGAINST free MMA and strikeforce….WHY? because they aren’t in the ufc cage? oh come on…..hate coker all you want, last night’s card was exposive…period…
people get so caught up in rankings…I just want good fights that dont cost 50 bucks…and last night, SF BLEW AWAY the competition….who the F cares about TV ratings as a FAN?….what does it matter really other than in a negative way where we LOSE FREE MMA…sigh…you go ahead hating strikeforce…but you sound silly
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Do you really think people dislike two major mma orgs just because the letters "UFC" isn't on the mat?
I dislike two major orgs in any sport because it destroys the talent pool. It doesn’t work in any major sport in North America and it won’t work in mma. You guys should stop resorting to calling people UFC huggers and think about why someone wouldn’t want two top companies fighting for viewership.
And SDChief…Of course SF BLEW AWAY the competition last night. IT was a fucking TUF finale. They suck ass. If you think SF “beat” the UFC in any way last night, you’re wrong. SF puts on one card every like 6-8 weeks. This is what they came up with?? Dan Henderson vs. Babalu (with some sort of title implications). Fucking horrible main event. Horrible. 10 guys that wouldn’t make the main card of an England event in the UFC doesn’t interest me.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
Do you really think people dislike two major mma orgs just because the letters “UFC” isn’t on the mat?
Yes. Fanboys and nuthuggers. The same kind of people who believed that Lesnar was actually a talented MMA fighter and deserved the belt, while criticizing everything Fedor does. You know the type.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Touche!!!
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
by hairybumcrack on Dec 5, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
You're exactly what I meant by
You guys should stop resorting to calling people UFC huggers and think about why someone wouldn’t want two top companies fighting for viewership.
It has nothing to do with who the number one company is. I’d prefer it to not be Dana White and the UFC, but since they won I’d prefer them to stay a monopoly. I see you have absolutely no reason to want more than one so you’ve resorted to TRYING to be funny.
Fedor is the greatest HW to ever live. Time has caught up to him. It happened to all of the greats from that era. Not sure why or how you are trying to bring that in to this conversation.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
Just because you don’t like the term doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply to you. You are 100% a UFC nuthugger, you just admitted it. Don’t get mad if someone points it out.
I don’t know why on earth you would want a single company to control all of MMA. That’s ridiculous on so many levels. Do you seriously think every fighter should be subject to Dana Whites whims and ass-kissery? Every fighter, regardless of talent, should be subject to being forced to sign game contracts or be released with no alternative?
It’s just silly, and without a shred of thought.
and side note, I wasn’t trying to be funny (but cool if you laughed). Nice of you to try to make it personal though. * troll * lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
No need for more Brock-Fedor arguments as they've been done to death and are irrelevant
In the case of an MMA monopoly in theory it would be perfect as all of the top fighters would be in the same company making fair amounts of money, so they’d get paid what their talent deserves and we’d get to see the best in each division compete and the champion of that promotion would truly be the best in the world.
However practically it doesn’t work as not only would it cost too much for one single promotion to have all of the top guys and it would prevent the likes of Overeem and Fedor competing abroad or in different sports, which is why they will never join the UFC, but it also relies on the management and the fighters getting on. As we know guys like Dana are volatile and one falling out has led to top guys like Couture, Ortiz, Barnett and Frank Shamrock being blackballed from the company. Without competition these guys would have to retire or put up working for someone they can’t stand, which is why as long as egomaniacs like Dana control MMA a monopoly won’t work, nevermind ignoring what to do with the aging veterans or young rookies who aren’t ready for the spotlight or can’t compete with the top guys.
I’d love to see all of the top guys in the UFC as that is the premier promotion of MMA but it just isn’t realistic or feasible so as long as a promotion is putting on fights that I want to see and everyone is given a fair chance to succeed then I’m happy.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
I agree 100%
Reality is what it is. Werdum is a great example. For reasons unknown (to me at least), he was released from the UFC after one loss to Dos Santos. If the UFC was the only game in town, where we he be? In Screwedville.
Competition is needed, and frankly the more free fights, good fights, the happier I am. Unless one of the companies decides to give me a share of their revenue, I have no allegiance and don’t understand why others do.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
And that goes for Bellator too
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Werdum was cut because he asked for more money after going 2-2 and reacting badly to not getting a title shot (showing up out of shape for JDS)
He’s easily good enough for the UFC’s HW division and is easily a top 10 (arguably top 5) HW but because his management and Zuffa couldn’t agree to a deal he left. If it wasn’t for promotions like SF then he’d be stuck fighting nobodies in Brazil or would have left MMA altogether and gone back to BJJ. Competition is good in this case.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
thanks for the info on Werdum
Didn’t know the backstory, but it is good he found a place where he could work out a deal, so we can see him fight.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
You didn't read any of my posts if you think I'm a UFC nuthugger.
I said I would like all top fighters under one umbrella. I would prefer that umbrella WASN’T the UFC umbrella. I don’t like Dana and I am tired of his face being on TV all the time. I said MMA as a major sport in North America is better as one Organization. Just like baseball, hockey and football has shown more than one league in the same sport does not work. I didn’t say that all MMA should be the UFC. I said all TOP MMA should be in one organization in North America.
There can be a million organizations and you can name 5 of them Strikeforce for all I care. BUT in NORTH AMERICA there will only be one top league. Since the UFC has claimed that spot, SF should bugger off. They are keeping a few top fighters from joining the big leagues and it ruins potential match-ups.
Why do you talk about the fighters contracts and what they have to deal with for a boss? Are you a fighter? Do you care if baseball players are being treated fairly by their managers? Who cares about their fucking contracts? Get real, dude.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
Since the UFC has claimed that spot, SF should bugger off. They are keeping a few top fighters from joining the big leagues and it ruins potential match-ups.
Stop it. Diaz, Werdum, Fedor… don’t blame strikeforce for what the UFC does, or doesn’t do. If it wasn’t for Strikeforce, we wouldn’t get to see these guys fight. Blame Dana, not Strikeforce. But I know you won’t.
Why do you talk about the fighters contracts and what they have to deal with for a boss?
Baseball players have unions to make sure they are treated fairly. MMA fighters do not. Baseball (MLB) is also not run by a single person or entity that has final say over every aspect of the teams, the sport and what happens. There is no equivilant to Dana White who goes and talks with every baseball player and demands that they kiss his ass or they will be banned from baseball.
Really, really stupid analogy, jay, even for you.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
reality is.
there should be no contracts with private organizations in an open individual sport, that is what’s holding talent from fighting each other.
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Interesting
Didn’t Roy Nelson say similar in kevs interview? That they are technically independent contractors on paper. That would make the UFCs hold on them legally questionable.
I’m not sure how well it would work though, but it would be nice to see some inter-promotional works going on. But the UFC won’t.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
WWE use the same terminology
The wrestlers they signed are classed as independent contractors, despite WWE having sole rights to their likeness, character and bookings, so effectively they are employees without the working rights like paid leave and the right to join a trade union. UFC do the same thing, treating the talent like employees but classifying them as independent contractors so they work solely for the UFC without the rights they should legally have. Unfortunately the only WWE wrestlers to challenge the independent contractor ruling was a group of bitter ex-employees looking for a payoff and their shoddy case was thrown out by court. If a group of more influential and intelligent people represented WWE or UFC talent then I’m sure that they could put together a good case to improve conditions, so these promotions can no longer cop out of giving them the rights that all employees should be given by using terminology that doesn’t apply to their job.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
Seems like they would be fighting not just the UFC, but an institutionalized ‘employer’ loophole. Damn shame.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
there needs to be a fighters union.
kinda like in serie A, where the players are going to hold out from playing next weekend to improve their conditions.. Of course since Dana’s tried to shut down as many competitiors as he can , he’s made it worse for fighters in general.
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OH...You're one of those Dana haters. I won't defend the man because I don't really like him myself/
You blame him for everything regardless of the facts. Diaz, Werdum and Fedor aren’t in the UFC because of their own actions. You don’t need to blame Dana for them. I guess if you were Dana you would have paid Werdum what he was asking for after the JDS fight, right? Remember he showed up out of shape and looked like a clown against an unknown? You would have given him a raise because you’re a nice guy and Dana is an asshole who should be blamed for all of mma’s shortcomings. I bet you would have begged Diaz to come back after the failed tests or missed weights. Diaz lost to every top fighter he faced in the UFC. He wasn’t worth the gamble when he left and he’s had a bad name in mma since. He really is a PR nightmare and sometimes business takes over what mythbuster from mmamania wants to see. I won’t even start with the Fedor shit. He tried to sign him. He was willing to pay him what he wanted. He wasn’t willing to give half of the UFC to M1. I don’t blame him. Check Bodog, Affliction, Strikeforce and Pride(not his fault) to see if having Fedor on the roster helps your organization. Until M1 ceases to exist, I wouldn’t sign Fedor either.
Comparing Dana to a commissioner of a professional sport is off-base. Dana might be the face of the UFC, but he doesn’t own the UFC. You think Dana is the only one that decides who fights for the UFC and who doesn’t, you’re wrong. Dana is more like an owner in MLB. He doesn’t do anything like what a commissioner does. I don’t understand why you would try to use that analogy. That is seriously weak.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
So we agree that Dana is an asshole
Now explain why that asshole should be in charge of the lives of all MMA fighters in the US? So many good fighters we wouldn’t get to see if Dana held the monopoly.
As for baseball, YOU used the analogy. I was pointing out what a stupid analogy is was… “Do you care if baseball players are being treated fairly by their managers?” <— this is what YOU said. Now that you understand what a stupid analogy it was, don’t toss it on my shoulders lol.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
He shouldn't be in charge of all fighters.
Just the best ones. The guys working their way up to the UFC would be bossed around by other owners.
I said the comparing him to a commissioner is stupid. Comparing him to an owner is more accurate. The baseball ( I am only using baseball because I like the sport, we could use any sport) analogy still stands. But he’s like an owner. And owners can decide if a player is a good employee or not and get rid of them if they see fit. I don’t blame Dana for letting Werdum go any more than I blame Cito Gaston for losing Roy Halliday.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
But if you compare him to an owner, that would also be inaccurate since the player could then be scooped up by other teams and continue to play. If the UFC held the monopoly, then Dana White would be the commissioner, ownerS, and everything.
Having competing org’s (UFC, SF, Bellator, whoever) is like having teams in this case, except they don’t play against each other. You really can’t compare the UFC or MMA to any organized sport like baseball. A comparison to WWE or boxing would probably be much more accurate, and in this case Dana White is Vince McMahon.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Fuckyeaaahh Daley
And his and Left hook of death and destruction
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Dec 5, 2010 10:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
More luck than skill
Scott Smith was actually coming forward when he got knocked out. These fights – where both fighters are essentially poor man’s boxers – are generally more about luck than skill. It’s like the Robbie Lawler – Melvin Manhoef fight all over again.
ehhhhh....so therefore they don't count? if this was a UFC card people would be saying "best of the year"...even if it had been on last night's AWFUL card
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
ANS, your becoming self righteous and eliteist.........
an elite striker knocks people out, this is not point fighting, where technique describes an elite striker, this is the results buisness, and knockouts equate to elite striker, and Paul Daley is an elite striker…..
you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope your fucking happy...........
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 5, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions
hmmmm..
he certainly found “the button” in this fight..but he is not the total package and that was exposed…with time he will hopefully work all that out..as well as grow mentally, cuz he got his own ass kicked outta ufc tragically..i just wish this was what happend with the fight against kos..sigh
exactly freedom.
Paul Daley is as elite as they come in MMA.
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who exactly is this elite striker person that i have yet to see??
i’m confused….
is it melvin manehoff……….no, cos he got ko’d
is it cro cop………………………no, cos he got ko’d
is it noons………
is it ………..no one knows…….
is it someone with a granite chin that has the uncanny ability to not be ktfo…..possibly….
you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope your fucking happy...........
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 5, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
so is hendo an elite striker?????
you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope your fucking happy...........
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 5, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
No
Why even ask that? Does he look like even a decent striker?
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
But He KO’s people and knockouts equate to elite striking is what ive been told.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it does to some people?
Not me. He definitely has a good chin. And he uses that to wade in and throw that one punch he has. It is sort of effective but he’s definitely not a good striker.
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
I dont think KO’s should be the biggest factor in determing elite strikers. There is so much more then power. As a matter of fact guys that arent knock as KO guys can still be elite.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
i think u can put strikers into 2 different categories
elite and effective.u dont have to be an elite striker to be effective and if ur an elite striker ur certainly effective simples ;)
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
is bisping an elite striker???
the hendo reference was a fucking dumbot you idiots….
so who is this elite striker?
you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope your fucking happy...........
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 5, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
WHO ARE THESE ELITE FUCKING STRIKERS?????
you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope your fucking happy...........
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 5, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
please tell me who these elite strikers are.....
you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope your fucking happy...........
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 5, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
sorry dude, smith just didn't cut the bacon.....
never mind, i’m sure daley’s next opponent will bring you much hope……..
you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope your fucking happy...........
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 5, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
the best k-1 fighters are elite strikers.
the top pro boxers are elite strikers, the top muay-thai fighters are elite strikers.
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but we are talking about mma.....
names please…
you idiots have turned me into a troll, i hope your fucking happy...........
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 5, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Kimbo Slice
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
by hairybumcrack on Dec 5, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I dont even know what elitist even means. Its so often used at BE and I have heard it so often out and about but seriously what does that even mean. I have never pushed my opinions on anyone here as facts. Ive never asked anyone here to worship my words.
In my opinion Daley is not an elite striker. That doesnt make me self righteous that just means I have an opinion. An elite striker doesnt mean KO’s, an elite striker in MMA means they mix up their striking in a way that makes them advantageous in all aspects of the fight. I dont know anyone other then you that thinks knockouts equate to an elite striker.
Daley is a very, very good striker no doubt. Elite belongs to be labeled to a short list of guys and Daley again IN MY OPINION isnt on that list.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Any good wrestler?
Did some ass clown just say ANY GOOD WRESTLER could beat Daley? Daley has fought and beaten wrestlers b4. Not only is Kos the #2 WW in the WORLD he is not just a wrestler, he is a Mixed martial Artist. He doesn’t just go for take downs. He can strike and has submissions. Plus can take a punch.
KOS > WW wrestler (Besides GSP)………That says a lot about Daley. The kid even stuffed some of Kos TD’s. The Strikeforce WW’s are not even at the LEVEL of Koscheck. Daley is going to run through them until he meets Diaz.
ok I have to sort of jump in here....I would argue that Woodley is a darn good wrestler...who will put him to the test.
I see him having bigger issues with woodley than anyone else
but he wants to KO KJ Noons…which is kind of odd to me that KJ is still being considered a WW when he should go back to LW…its like if noons had beat Diaz…every title fight would have to be against a striker..I like KJ, but KJ vs Woodley ends with Woodley’s hand raised unless the judges come into play and were the guys judging the nam phan fight
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Would you like to share with us which wrestlers he has beat? Not to say he hasnt but if you are going to say that it would be great for conversation if you mentioned who not just that he did.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
PIMP-man
It’s great that he fought Kos. But he fucking got smothered. The exact same thing will happen to him against every fighter that showed up for high school wrestling class. He’s horrible on the ground and doesn’t even try to get up.. He’s worse than Kimbo on the ground. I don’t get what you are saying in your post. That he fought a good wrestler so therefore DAley is also a good wrestler? Is that what you are saying?
I love tandem cycling. I win whether I'm in front or in back.
You must have missed a whole year. There has been better.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 5, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hands of Steel Indeed
Smiths hands look to be made of steel, so heavy he must keep them at his waist during exchanges. Look at Daley’s hands and head movement during this exchange; these two things put together usually equals trouble for the guy with his hands down throwing looping punches. Good timing, but 9/10 i think Smith gets caught.
by Chunky Lee Chong on Dec 5, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions
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Didn’t watch this video. Unless you believe MMAmania purchased the rights from Strikeforce to show this…
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Dec 5, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
lolwut?
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