Greg Jackson: 'We tried to knock him out but Josh Koscheck is really tough'
by Geno Mrosko on Dec 12, 2010 11:31 PM EST
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"He tried really hard to knock him out but Koscheck is really tough. Like I said, Thiago Alves, Jon Fitch... I want to make this clear; these guys are not some bums. These guys are fantastic, phenomenal fighters. For Georges to win is one thing; for Georges to dominate is another thing. If he's lucky enough to get some finishes in, that's great. We're trying to finish them. It's just kind of hard when they're incredibly tough."
-- Trainer to the stars Greg Jackson tells Sherdog his prized pupil, Georges St. Pierre, tried really hard to knock out resident welterweight bad boy Josh Koscheck. Problem is, "Kos" is no chump who, despite a broken face, kept coming back for more. And now that GSP has defended his 170-pound strap five consecutive times, seemingly without even breaking a sweat, critics have taken aim at the one knock against the soft-spoken French-Canadian -- his apparent lack of killer instinct and ability to definitively put away his opponents. Is simply winning not enough? Is a finish more important than a five round destruction? Have at it, Maniacs.
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Destroying someone is good enough for me. Its not fun paying for such one sided fights tho. Please find gsp some competition because I’m cool skipping his fights because its not even close
by hexbreaker on Dec 12, 2010 11:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
That was almost too one sided. GSP is in a whole other league then every fighter in that division. I really think GSP could have finished Koscheck a couple times if he would have got more aggressive when he rocked him with some of the jabs.
Shields will be just another repeat and I’m not interested at all in this fight. Shields is good, but there’s no way he will beat GSP.
by Brotherwolf on Dec 12, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone wonder if GSP wanted to punish him as long as possible for all the trash talk?
It's all about the entertainment.
My thoughts exactly...
Josh will remember the beating and bruising a lot longer than a simple KO.
by TheFriendlySponge on Dec 13, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
He said many many times, that he wasn't satisfied with just a decision. that hewas really trying to finish him.
But Im glad for the outcome, even though he wasnt
I believe that in round five he tried but I think he just punished him the first four.
It's all about the entertainment.
Does Jackson not realize that GSP doesn't have KO power.
His jab (which is great) has as much power as his hook.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Prove it.
He gave it his all in that fight and didn’t even wobble KOS! For him to KO someone it would have to be him going forward with his hardest punch as the other guy is also going forward and in the most perfect spot with the stars aligned correctly. And that’s a maybe
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I think we've been at this ad nauseum since last night
But for the record: St-Pierre dominated — absolutely dominated — guys like Fitch, Alves, Penn, Koscheck who at one point or another have all been number 1 contenders.
That he didn’t finish them is more an arbitrary criticism about the imperfect fact that he’s human rather than a legitimate knock on his skills. If people don’t like all these decisions then increase the number of rounds or the length of time in a match.
No need to increase rounds or time limits
Im no gsp fan but he has my respect. He has nothing to prove to anyone IMO. Yeah it would be nice to see him get finishes just for the entertainment value. But the way he dominates is almost as good as a finish because he leaves no doubt in anyones mind who won the fight
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."-Albert Einstein
MMA fans are the most critical fanatics of all the sport iv seen or heard of.
their too critical of GSP’s performances.
before you hear them that GSP was just taking down guys and holding them on th ground.
yesterday we saw GSP displays some of the most beautiful and dynamic striking, and fans are still not pleased.
their still criticizing GSP despite his dominating one sided beadown destruction.
i mean give the guy some props.
its nice to see finishes, but we have to keep in mind thats its not easy to put a UFC caliber athelete away, much more a top 5 contender like Kos.
If he wants to be considered the greatest mma fighter of all time,
It’s not.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 12, 2010 11:51 PM EST reply actions
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by daniel worby on Dec 13, 2010 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
JAY,
EMAIL ME; BOW424@GMAIL.COM
It’s about our sig bet.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Put that email address into Kev's mmbb
I won’t be able to go on email until after work and I don’t know if I’ll remember this thread by then.
It's there buddy
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
whats wrong with beating the hell out of your opponents??
Some guys want to go in there and get out quickly but maybe GSP is one of those guys who just wants to beat the life out of his opponent. He may get some satisfaction of totally dominating and humiliating his opponents. I think that’s worse then a knockout or a submission but that’s just me.
Train hard to fight easy.
by the chubbster on Dec 12, 2010 11:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
totally agree....
I thoroughly enjoyed watching GSP beat the piss out of Kos last night, and I further appreciated the fact that he did it for 5 rounds. I was in no hurry for that display to end. What would a knockout have proved on top of what we saw last night? I’d say GSP pretty much finished KOS last night, just look at his face.
Anyone complaining about GSP’s inability to finish needs to go back to watching the old “tough-man” competitions. This guy is completely dominating the best fighters in the world, and he’s making it look easy.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
This reflects my thoughts
I keep reading that GSP should have finished Kos, that it would have been an easy knockout, had he shown a better “killer instinct” (whatever that even means). But how often has Kos been knocked out in his career? Hardly any of his opponents managed to stop him via TKO.
2x
Once by paulo thiago who was losing til that point.
Once by the always feared striker Jon Fitch.
mondaymorningblackbelt.com"
by daniel worby on Dec 13, 2010 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
actually, GSP is Canadian
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
by kg12 on Dec 13, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with him not finishing
As long as he is doing what he did last night. Sure he could put in a little more power shots, but he had some pretty sweet combos and pushing the action really well. But if he goes out like the Hardy fight then I have a problem, granted he tried for that Kimura all night it was boring he shoulda GnPed that dude out
by soupdz28 on Dec 13, 2010 12:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think he respect too much his opponents...
he doesnt have that crazy spark of adrenaline where it’s like you fight for your life…
More focus on himself, to do everything right. Imagine how cool it can be for a coach?
GSP has learned to respect his opponents...
They’re still talking about Matt Sera’s KO.
sometimes I people think that
Killer instinct = risk more than you have to/come in with crazyfists
That’s an easy way to get KO’d and look like a fool.
If you want to see an impressive finish then put someone with the caliber of Mike Guymon in front of GSP. Mismatches most likely equal KO’s or one sided affairs.
I dont understand what people are bitching about
GSP put on a clinic. He beat the ass of a tough mother fucker who talked shit for months.
Current MMA Record: 1-40-0
by CenturyCity90067 on Dec 13, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions
People will bitch no matter what
If he KO’d Kos they’d be bitching he should’ve done it a round earlier.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Dec 13, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
4 decisions in his last 5, that's sad.
But what’s weirder is how his fans don’t want that, instead they got all mad and defend him like he were his brother. Who wouldn’t want their favorite fighters to finish, but instead have 3 people say he won. And the way the judges have been, even a GSP demolition doesn’t guarantee anything!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
That's not sad when you think about the level of competition he's been beating.
If you can find ANY OTHER FIGHTER at WW that can beat BJ, Kos, Fitch, Serra, Hardy…..without losing, then you may have a case. Why is it all the guys that don’t like him that seem to be the ones that expect too much of him? Ever think of that?
I don’t care if he decisions everyone for the rest of his life. It’s better than listening to the jackasses that will say he was never any good if he gets caught while trying to silence the haters.
I like GSP so that doesn't make sense.
He is such a nice classy guy and it would be weird not to like a guy like him. I wish all fighters were like him! PURE CLASS!!!!!!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I'm quite content
knwing that KOS didn’t just get bullied and finished early in the fight. Whether or not it was a finish, GSP knocked him silly for 25 minutes, something KOS will never forget. No one can say KOS just slipped and GSP caught him in a quick KO or sub. That was a 25 minute lesson that KOS was schooled in, and it bruised his soul so bad, he won’t have the balls to try a run at GSP again. KOS can now service his top 5-10 standing forever.
by GodDamnMike on Dec 13, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Also
I know that KOS was under the gun (x millions), plus in hostile territory, but not touching gloves to start the fight was the beginning of the end for him. Whether he applies it or not in the future, KOS got a fire lit up under his ass, and he was taught respect, cause the dog on a rope he was picking on for months and months got off his leesh.
by GodDamnMike on Dec 13, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
He's so dominate
Yet he couldn’t finish dan hardy and condit did easily, paulo thiago finished koscheck already, so he can try as hard as he want lets just face facts, he can’t do it!
by MrLopez on Dec 13, 2010 12:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Nate Maurqaurdt knocked out Damian Maia
in the first round, Anderson Silva couldn’t do it in five rounds. So Thiago knocking out Koscheck doesn’t mean shit. You mentioned one person that knocked out Koscheck, maybe if five other people had done it, you might have been able to make a point. Paul Daley and Thiago Alves couldn’t knock out Koscheck, does that mean Paulo Thiago is a better striker than them. Mania really does need to have a seperate section for MMA fans like you that are under 12 years old or need parental guidence.
GSP wants to be the greatest Mixed Martial Artist of all time, not the greatest 'fighter'
I have no problem with that. He is maximising his chances to win, and minimising his chances of losing. Given that his skills are so far beyond almost all of his competition in every aspect, there’s no need for him to go in hard for a KO and risk getting a counterpunch that ends his night.
It’s correct to say he’s a percentage fighter, and percentage fighters are less likely to provide something for the highlight reel. These guys might not win in bar-room brawls, and he’d have to change up his approach entirely if we went back to UFC1-8 rules, but as long as this is a sport and not human cockfighting, he’s doing the right thing.
But none of that has anything to do with the fact that he’s on the way to being the best mixed martial artist of all time. You can argue it’s joyless to watch (and there’s part of me that agrees with you), but he’s an incredible fighter, with a great attitude and I love to watch him win.
I do believe anderson silva is the most accurate percentage fighter there has ever been and he still gets the KO's
by MrLopez on Dec 13, 2010 12:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, when I say percentage fighter
I mean taking the option that has the highest ratio of win likelihood / loss likelihood. Anderson might land more of his shots than GSP, but he has a higher risk strategy – he’s just effing amazing so very few fighters in history would have been able to take advantage of it.
I say GSP is on his way to being the best ever, he’s not there yet. He’s 6 or 7 years younger than Anderson, so his career could outstrip his or fall short. the P4P thing is largely subjective, and both are incredible fighters with a lot of irrational haters, so it’s virtually impossible to have a reasoned debate about this on a message board. For what it’s worth, I’d have Fedor as the greatest, even p4p because he has only one legit loss and fought some absolute monsters in his prime and their prime. And he beat them all.
But if it came down to ‘human cockfighting’ again, like it was in UFC 1, I still think Royce Gracie would win almost every fight. He might only have one skill, but when you combine it with having stamina like a marathon runner, a chin like a stone statue and being possibly the toughest guy of all time, he’d eventually win. Even if it took days.
Very good points
Ill only disagree on the royce part , yes he was often out weighed by tons of pounds mma was so one dimensional back then now a days guys are so balanced, just two different eras I guess sorta like a mj, kobe lebron debate
by MrLopez on Dec 13, 2010 1:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
true
but I still can’t believe how Royce managed to win after some of the beatings he took – and then fought again 30 minutes later.
and as a guy who grew up in the 1980s-1990s (so I’m an old man, humour my opinion): MJ all the way – just too good at everything, best offense in the NBA and the best D, too. And the funny thing is, I’m a Lakers fan, so for me, my favourite player will always be Magic.
Yeah did you see k1 this weekend Aerts is the man even though he lost to the reem that fight with semmy was epich
by MrLopez on Dec 13, 2010 2:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
missed it
will have to catch up. I’ve actually seen relatively little K1. Need to educate myself on it.
fedor is still the best fighter alive!
Sorry but, he has less losses then both GSP and Anderson, and he has done it in a weight class he is actually to small for! you gotta respect that!
U lost me on the last paragraph
other than that it was good.
just a fanboy comment, really
big, big Royce Gracie fan, because he’s the reason I got interested in MMA.
You may well go by the stats,
but as far as I am concerned I if Silva fought guys equal too Fitch, Alves and Koscheck in his division, he woukd not have the sort of dominatng victories that GSP has had. Forget about the shit matches where he left his balls outside the octogan against Leites and Maia, but that domination by Sonnen was unforgetable, and his fans may well be impressed withe sub he got, but as far as I am concerned, it was Sonnens error that cost him the match no matter how amazing you want to make Silvas win sound. You may well, shout steroids, but Sonnens performance was no different to his performances against Okami and Marquardt. I had fought guys with more discipline and who keep their wits about them like Fitch, Kos and Alves, then I doubt he would be getting the easy wins that he has had. GSP makes these guys look like TUF rejects, Silva would never be able to do that.
I think the more impressive thing about the sonnen fight
is that sonnen hurt his ribs badly and Silva stuck in there, took his licks and managed to win. Sure, sonnen made a mistake, but submission victories always require an opening like that.
Like i said, the p4p debate is impossible to be definitive in, but I know there’s no fighter who looks so untouchable as Anderson at his best. Too fast to hit and too strong to withstand.
Since gsp only fights like once or twice a year he gives his fans 5 rounds everytime he steps in the cage.
"Take what is mine, hold what is mine
Suffocate what is mine, bury what's mine
Soon the water will come
And claim what is mine
I must leave it behind
And climb to a new place now"-Flood
by d*locc on Dec 13, 2010 12:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
there he is.....
you ready??
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Wut? Who R u dog?
"Take what is mine, hold what is mine
Suffocate what is mine, bury what's mine
Soon the water will come
And claim what is mine
I must leave it behind
And climb to a new place now"-Flood
by d*locc on Dec 13, 2010 1:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you're joking, right?
you don’t remember making a sig bet with me, about 5 or so days ago?
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Lol. Jk bro =D
Ya I remember let me have it.
"Take what is mine, hold what is mine
Suffocate what is mine, bury what's mine
Soon the water will come
And claim what is mine
I must leave it behind
And climb to a new place now"-Flood
by d*locc on Dec 13, 2010 1:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol...shoulda known
OK, here you go…….love these sig bets, it’s more satisfying that winning cash…..
“What’s the definition of dumb and dumber?? thinking Koscheck could actually beat GSP, and then thinking I could beat kg12 in a sig bet……..a couple of losing propositions.”
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Weak.
Put some gay into it. Dlocc deserves worse than that for thinking KOS had any chance of winning.
I didn't feel the need to go overboard.....
on this one, because it’s not like I just pulled this great longshot outta my ass…..taking GSP in a fight against anyone is hardly going out on a limb. If I go sig bet on a significant underdog, that’s when you can get real nasty…..
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Fuck that
I get nasty. If Dlocc is dumb enough to pick against GSP he should be taught a lesson. I don’t think he’ll learn anything from this sig.
Lol. Don't h8 cuz I owned u last bet jay =D
"What’s the definition of dumb and dumber?? thinking Koscheck could actually beat GSP, and then thinking I could beat kg12 in a sig bet……..a couple of losing propositions."
by d*locc on Dec 13, 2010 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
looking good d'locc
as stated earlier, i didn’t feel the need to get too nasty, as you did take a fairly significant underdog…..
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
I completely understand.....
unfortunately I do suffer from having just a bit of a soft-spot for d’locc since I leaned that he’s a Diego Sanchez supporter……there’s not that many of us out there!!
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
The thing about it is...
People have this odd notion that GSP doesn’t provide any entertainment in his fights. If you go to a football game and there isn’t a play from scrimmage of 80+ yards is it a boring game?? Do you start criticizing the team for not putting enough points on the board? If you watch a basketball game and the winning team only wins by 10 points, do you bitch and moan about how they should’ve ran the score up?? Well guess what, if you complain about those things in football or basketball, you’re not a fan of either. And if you complain about GSP not being entertaining, than you’re also not a fan of MMA, you might think you are, but you’re not.. In fact, you more than likely fall under the exact category of drunk viewer wishing for a non-competitive, highly unskilled, and sloppy fight w. some ridiculous knockout that should never happen to any real “professional” fighter. Did Matt Riddle punching at air and getting punched in the face provide anybody here with any real profound enjoyment?? If so, I’m fucking glad GSP doesn’t entertain you. These guys at 170 are tough to put away, get used to it, this is the way the sport is going to be, and it’s only going to get more and more like this as the level of competition is raised. So if you fall under the category of an unsatisfied GSP viewer, then please do yourself a favour and immediately stop watching the UFC.. Because it’s only going to get worse and worse for you, guys are slowly figuring the strike game out.. And the next generation of mma fighters is going to be polished boxers who can wrestle their asses off, and most of them aren’t going to be put away easily, especially in a 3 round fight.. Now, you might have some luck in the Shields fight because lucky for you Jake falls under the category of a very one dimensional fighter, the kind that won’t exist at all 15 years from now.. And it just so happens that his area of weakness, severe weakness, is in the strike game.. So relish in GSP knocking him out, jump on his nuts and pretend like you never criticized him, and then please STFU.
AND FYI...
GSP DOMINATED Koscheck and smashed his orbital bone to bits.. And was really a hair away from finishing the fight for a whole 5 rounds.. All he needed to do was follow that lead left hook with a quick right straight down the pipe in the fifth and he undoubtedly would’ve put Kos away.. When he watches film on this fight Roach will point it out to him and he won’t make that mistake next time.
by BlaiseBlaise on Dec 13, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
well stated.......
I can only hope that for every one disgruntled GSP complainer, there’s a dozen true fans that don’t give a shit what the idiots think. I’m at the point where i won’t even respond to those folks, as they are not worthy of discussion or debate. If you weed thru the knuckleheads, there are some pretty good MMA fans on this site, and they contribute with intelligent insight.
Any less than 5 rounds of the beatdown we saw last night and I would have been disappointed. I loved every single minute of that fight. As far as i’m concerned, GSP did more than finish Koscheck.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
no doubt..
I think that editorial was my final general response to the, as you put it, “knucklehead” fans. The five rounds were great for me too, sick jab that had lots of power on it.. As evidenced by the broken orbital bone and Kos getting a bit dizzied at a few points throughout the fight.
by BlaiseBlaise on Dec 13, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
did you notice how......
Rogan was all over that? He was all over it from the beginning, with the jaw movement and what not. I could really tell how much Kos was hurting between the 4th and 5th round, when he flinched every time they tried to ice….he didn’t want any part of it. Kos is a tough bastard, i’ll give him that.
How can anyone complain about the striking display that GSP put on last night? Kos is arguably the #2 WW in the world, but inarguably in the top 5, and GSP completely dominated him……anyone talking shit about GSP is simply throwing their credibility away.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Good write up man.
Couldn’t agree more. Not only do fans bitch, but the media bitches even more
when GSP goes to decision. It’s crazy how HIGH this guy’s expectations are
even when facing the elite of the elite. I for one, was very impressed with GSP’s performance
last night. There were many times where he through multiple combos that would
have crumbled most fighters, but Koscheck hung in there. Like you said, if somone is
NOT a fan of MMA, then they’re the whiner wanting the flash KO.
Common sense is not so common.
- Voltaire
So True
Could not agree more, and I’m so happy that you pointed out the Matt Riddle air punching. What the hell was that? He would throw 3 or 4 air punches then get tagged in the face then wave his hands wanting more. I could not stop laughing during this fight.
Excellent fight by GSP! If not the best fighter in MMA by far the smartest. Love to watch him pick apart these top fighters and make them look like silly.
GSP strikes were never a KO threat
They were tactical strikes to pick Kos apart. None of those strikes would have KO’d him.
nobody said his strikes...
“would’ve KO’d him,” that would be a completely moot point considering if they woulda KO’d him then THEY WOULD HAVE KO’d him. Get it? But I’m not so sure they didn’t have him a little dazed, and if the one that shattered his eye woulda landed on the button you never know.. See Danzig vs. Stephenson…
by BlaiseBlaise on Dec 13, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
If GSP's strikes werent a KO Threat...
Then why didn’t Ko’s wade in their swinging everytime?… Why didn’t Ko’s just throw nothing but Haymakers the last round?…. because he didn’t want to get KO’d
Styles makes fights and champions!
I believe that George St Pierre is one of the best MMA fighters now and ever.
I like he way Chuck Liddell fights, but he is a dangerous/risky one punch fighter. Yes: his fights are really exciting but he has lost pretty bad because of his fighting style and that is disappointing as well.
St. Pierre is different kind of fighter. He is a purist with great skills and flawless strategy. Yes: his fights mostly are complete one sided and, therefore, some what unsatisfying for some.
But that is a unfair judgement considering the caliber of fighters he has dominated from beginning to end (Fitch, Penn, Alves, Hardy, Koscheck). He is so good that everybody wants to ask him if he is going up in weight because there is nobody else worth beating as a welter.
So, in conclusion St. Pierre is one of the best ever and he is looking even more unbeatable with that kind of jab. If he dominates Shields in his next fight, the only thing left is a third fight with Penn or going up!
What would it be?
Cheers MMA lovers!
Why would he fight Penn?
He’s 2-0 against him, and the 2nd fight was ridiculously one-sided.
by Patrick Daryl on Dec 13, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
even once for that matter
I mean he destroyed Fitch, so why should he have to fight him again? People will say cause Fitch deserves a shot, but GSP deserves more to not have to fight him again.
and Boom goes the dynamite.
Agree 100%
GSP should be the one getting challenged. Not the guys he’s beaten. I won’t be paying to see BJ/GSP, Fitch/GSP…
I won’t spend a dime on seeing these fights again.
what is thaty Newfie?
GSP want to fight the best WW in the world and right now Fitch is #2 in the world in almost everybody’s ranking. I can see the winner of Fitch and BJ getting the next shot.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
I would pay to see the 2nd best WW in the world have another shot at GSP
Out of all the WW’s in the world who has the best chance at beating GSP?? If GSP beats Fitch again I think it is time for GSP to move up because the only other guy I see beating Fitch in the world is Shields because of his style. Diaz would be a great battle with Sanchez but Fitch would destroy Diaz.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
what gives anyone the idea that Fitch would even come close to beating GSP again?
sure he is the #2 WW, but he was absolutely beaten by G in their first fight
its not a marketable fight, and although Fitch keeps on winning, he hasnt done anything at all that wopuld suggest he can beat GSP
and Boom goes the dynamite.
I definitely won't be paying for rematches where GSP will be a 10-1 favorite.
10-1 is even really, really low. He should be a 100-1 favorite.
Jay said it best up there somewhere...
GSP should be the one getting challenged, not the guys he has beaten.
Why does Fitch deserve to be challenged by the best, and Georges gets challenged by a guy who he almost killed. literally.
and Boom goes the dynamite.
GSP didn't almost kill Fitch
The simple fact that Fitch is proving he is the 2nd best WW is why he deserves a shot why give GSP fighters Fitch could beat? Fitch no only is the 2nd best in the world he has faced GSP and has a better idea than most what to expect.
Once again Fitch deserves a shot because he is the BEST WW behind GSP thats why.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Fitch will probably always be ranked second.
Should he just keep getting rematches until he fucking wins one? Fuck Fitch. He hasn’t improved at all. GSP would beat his ass worse than last time.
I’d give Fitch a rematch IF he fought Kos. He wants a rematch with GSP so bad? Prove it.
He hasn't had a rematch jay
He got one chance, if GSP only had one chance against Hughes what would you say? Why have all this other fighters that Fitch has beat face GSP? Makes no sense whatso ever and I’m a GSP fan. I think some of GSP fans are scared of Fitch or something? Should Brock never get a shot if he wins his next 6 fights at HW?? Should Rampage never get a shot at Rua because of the Pride beating? HELL NO if they prove to be the second best over more than five fights they deserve a shot.
Your saying Fitch doesn’t deserve a shot because he would get destroyed? But what does that say when Fitch would destroy anyone else that GSP could face? Makes zero sense whatso ever guys.
The 2nd best chould fight the best period.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
GSP/Hughes is terrible comparison
GSP was beating Hughes before an armbar with 1 sec left in the rd
Fitch gave us no indication that he could possibly beat GSP. Not in their fight, not since their fight.
and Boom goes the dynamite.
AND
GSP obviously kept improving between the first Hughes fight and the second one. Fitch hasn’t improved shit. He’s still a wrestler who’s wrestling isn’t as good as GSP’s.
What a stupid comparison. Brock does not deserve a rematch with Cain UNLESS he shows he has improved on the one weakness that Cain can easily exploit. I don’t care if Brock beats 10 guys. If he doesn’t show in that 10 fights that’s he’s not afraid of being hit, he doesn’t deserve a rematch either.
Since Fitch hasn’t improved and GSP has there is no reason for a rematch. You actually think GSP fans are afraid of Fitch? I’m afraid GSP is going to waste another 6 months on someone like Fitch. I don’t want to see it and I won’t watch it. It doesn’t appeal to me at all because I KNOW Fitch has no chance. He has even less of a chance than he did the last time they fought.
That makes no sense whatso ever
Why have GSp face guys Fitch can beat? Now thats a wast of time jsut like the HArdy fight.
And how can you say Fitch hasn’t improved? Like KOS he didn’t expect GSP to have near as good grappling but since 2008 he has had plenty of time to prepare and improve and his ground game looks better than ever. I would love to see him face Shields now who Fitch lsot a grappling submission match to back in 05 too I think Fitch would win now?
Once again Fitch can beat anyone GSP has beat so to me a wast of time is GSP facing guys Fitch can beat and that is everyone at WW.
GSP makes every WW look bad but out of all the WW’s Fitch has the best chance as little as it may be and deserves a shot with a win over BJ PEnn.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
yeah because a win over BJ Penn is incredible.
Brock is ranked second right now, why isn’t he getting another title shot?
Fitch has improved on the ground? Where’s all the stoppages than? HAs he even stopped anyone or beat anyone on the feet to make people think he’s close to GSP’s level? haha
Fitch doesn’t deserve another title shot until he proves he’s improved on the things that make GSP better than him. He needs to beat KOS or beat a good stand up guy on the feet.
Brock isn't getting a shot because he just lost
With 3 wins in a row it would be almost guaranteed another shot for Brock regardless if he proves his weakness.
Fitch has improved on the ground? Where’s all the stoppages than? HAs he even stopped anyone or beat anyone on the feet to make people think he’s close to GSP’s level? haha
Stoppages?? GSP has none either what does that prove, Fitch is fighting 3 round fights GSP is fighting five. And who is clsoe to GSP’s level at WW hell who is close to Fitch’s level?
And no he doesn’t have to prove he can beat a good stand up guy standing he jsut needs to beat the best fighters. GSP didn’t stand with Alves why would Fitch? That would just be retarded. Fitch is one of the best grapplers in MMA and his stand up has improved from the GSP days but thats not saying much.
The question comes down to who has the best chance agaisnt GSP? So jay who has the best chance? Most would say Fitch as when most are asked besides GSP who can beat Fitch the answer is no one and thats why they should be fighting and if GSP wins that he needs to move up. Fitch can beat anyone at WW and would be the champion if GSP was not in the division most likely.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Whatever PH
If you think Fitch is getting a title shot with a win over BJ, you’re wrong.
GSP is gonna fight in Toronto against Shields then move up because everyone(I guess not you) knows that Fitch isn’t even close to being on GSP’s level.
Yeah says you but GSP says different
And I think GSP will want to face Fitch. But lets wait and see what happens
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
You said the number one contender should get the title shots.
Brock is still the number one contender. Fitch has been the number one contender for the past 3 years. Where are their title shots? They give title shots to people that can get people interested or that might actually win. FITCH does not fall into either of those categories.
No he's not jay why are you lieing the UFC has there own rankings and Brock is not #2
You are thinking of the consensus rankings JDS is the number 1 contender
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
HAHA
UFC has their own rankings?
Where are they? You think Dana can rank people better than a consensus ranking system? hahahaha. No wonder why SD wants to strangle you all the time. You say some of the stupidest shit.
Sorry but permanently banning a fighter from a title shot because of a loss
is not the right way to go. Hard work and winning consistently should pay off, if you prove you’re the #1 contender than you should get the shot.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Dec 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Who's banning him?
You think Condit and Shields and anyone else that hasn’t gotten a crack at a prime GSP should keep waiting for the inevitable?
Yo! Condit. I know you’re on a hot streak and are ready for your title shot, but we gonna let Fitch lose again first. Do you mind waiting another year?
That’s great.
Condit over Fitch? I think Fitch would destroy Condit.
Condit still has to revenge his loss to Kampmann last year before he gets a shot I think. And not to mention his loss to Shields.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
He's talking about the business side of it
Not really the sport side
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Dec 13, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
It's not fair to Fitch
You’re only correct from an entertainment stand point; from a competitive position #1 should fight #2. But yes unfortunatley PPV sales #’s tend to dictate who fights for the belt the majority of the time.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Dec 13, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
That's all I care about
You guys are using mmamath to make a case for Fitch.
Just because Fitch(X) can beat Condit (Y) doesn’t mean Condit can’t beat GSP (Z).
So….X is better than Y so Y can’t be better than Z?
Puck is saying "in a perfect world" #1 would fight #2
Fitch has worked his way back up to the #2 spot, if this was just for the sport and the deserving were given their dues that’s what would happen. But it’s about entertainment, so in that regard I wouldn’t expect to see Fitch back in before Shields.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Dec 13, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Fitch being better than any other WW besides GSP is why Fitch should get a shot
Why give GSP a fighter Fitch can beat?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
We are getting ot the point were GSP has to move up
But before he does he needs to put away the #2 WW who is Fitch. Condit looks pretty good and a fighter that GSP has not faced but I still can’t see Condit beating Fitch let alone GSP.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
HE ALREADY PUT HIM AWAY!!!!
You don’t get rematches without cause. There isn’t one person that watches mma that thinks Fitch has a chance against GSP. NOT ONE.
This is MMA and in any sport everybody including Fitch deserves a second chance
What happen last fight is history both GSP and Fitch ahve improved since. And he didn’t put hjim away it went the distance. Infact GSP has stated Fitch was his toughest fight to date!! Before this KOS fight. Thats GSP talking not us GSP and he stated that Fitch was his toughest fight yet you want to make it sound like it was his easy?
I want to see the man that gave GSP his toughest fight have another chance and if GSP beats the #2 WW in the world who gave the champ his toughest fight GSP needs to move up and face some MW’s becasue Fitch has the best chance especially because he has faced GSP.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Everyone deserves a second chance, eh?
haha…You can’t even make shit up like that….that’s pure gold.
Fitch gave GSP his hardest test?
HAHAHAHA
Did you see the fight? That was one of GSP easiest fights ever. EVER.
In sports everyone deserves a second chance eh?
Yeah that’s why I am watching the redo of the ’85 superbowl tonight. It seems the Bears have improved and want their rematch with the Houston Oilers/
You make up some weird assed shit.
GSP stated Fitch was his toughest fight and yes I seen it
This is not football jay I don’t know why your comparing the two. Try comparing another MMA fighter or boxer maybe?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
The title of the post I am answering is
This is mma and in any sport everybody including Fitch deserves a second chance
If everyone deserves a second chance I’d rather see GSP fight Hardy (has a punchers chance) or Sherk get their rematches first.
Hardy? LMAO Fitch would destroy HArdy
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Why's that?
Because you are using mmamath?
What makes you think Hardy wouldn’t knock him out? what makes you think that the years of Jits that Hardy has been doing hasn’t given him the ability to sub Fitch?
AND GSP WOULD DESTROY FITCH AGAIN
AND I DON’T EVEN HAVE TO GUESS TO COME TO MY CONCLUSION. I’VE ALREADY SEEN IT.
Because you are using mmamath?
No math needed the consesnsus is Fitch is the best WW behind GSP and in MMA the best should fight the best what happened two years ago is history and both fighters are the same.
Anybody can say I don’t want to see this GSP fight fighter X because I know the outcome!
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
So the consensus is right this time?
Sometimes it’s right (when it helps you) and sometimes it’s best to listen to Dana (when it helps you).
I never said the "consesus rankings"
just the consesus from MMA fan that I have seen and know as well as fighters.
Who listens to Dana and believes KOS is better than Fitch LOL
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
You didn't say consensus rankings?
No math needed the consesnsus is Fitch is the best WW behind GSP and in MMA
Than what is that? Don’t lie on a message board.
No mma math needed on Fitch destroying Hardy
hardy’s ground game is brutal and fitch faced the best striking WW twice and beat him both times.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
laying on him? C'mon jay your not that ignorant
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
No you're right
Fitch really put a beating on Alves. He fucking humped him for 15 minutes and you know it.
He and Shields do what they do and are effective doing what they do
Wether you like their style or not it doesn’t change the fact that they are able to control their opponents agaisnt their will. Being a GSP fan jay you have heard that BS excuse from many GSP critics before this KOS fight. Fitch domianted both Paulo and Alves on the ground and both have good striking. The question against GSP will Fitch be able to even get the fight to the ground?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Yet Puck thinks it was his hardest fight and he deserves another shot.
There isn’t a person in the world thinking “Fitch has really improved more than GSP has since then, I bet a rematch would play out differently and I’d like to pay 50 dollars to see it again”.
The fact that Fitch can beat any WW besides GSP is why he deserves a shot over any other WW
We all know any fighter can look bad one fight and look great another why not Fitch?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
From a competitive stand point you're correct
From a PPV sales/business stand point Jay’s probably in the right.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Dec 13, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I want to see the best fight the best
GSP and Fitch are both improved fighters from their first fight.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
You're in the minority my friend
Sometimes you’re the next contender and sometimes you’re just the next guy in line to get beat up; as long as that’s the general consensus concerning GSP’s title reign then people would rather see someone new get beat up vs someone they’ve already seen beaten get beat up again.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Dec 13, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Fitch is improved on what?
He lost the fight to GSP standing. Do you think Fitch has improved his striking to the point that he could contend with GSP?
Don’t you think Kos would have backed out of the fight if he was sparring with Fitch and Fitch was lighting him up?
yes it has improved jay
And I know GSP wants to fight the best and thats why if Fitch beats BJ GSP will want to face the man that GSP believes was his toughest fight to date and that is Fitch.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
lol
You two aren’t even arguing the same point…
Puck: Jay is saying the majority does not care to watch the Fitch Rematch.
Jay: Puck is saying #1 should fight #2 regardless of what the majority of fans want to see.
you’re both right… christ..
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Dec 13, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
You're saying that Fitch has improved his stand up?
HAHAHAHAHA
Do you train with the fucking guy or something? You think that Fitch has improved his striking to the point that he might be able to beat GSP? They don’t just set up title fights due to rankings. They won’t give Fitch a title shot if they know he can’t win. When have you seen this improved striking from Fitch? I’d love to hear this.
Fitch's striking will never be better than GSP's or most other top WW strikers
But his understanding and knowlege of what striekrs will throw at him and how he can defend them is much improved from their first fight.
Your saying you would prefer to see GSP’s stand up tested by the sounds at it and I’m saying I would like to see the 2nd best WW period fight GSP. Fitch and Shields are the only two WW’s I really see having a chance on the ground against GSP. And stand up the only realistic fighter I see having maybe better stand up is Alves.
This is what makes GSP so good, if your a great stand up fighter GSP’s ground game will be much better, and if your a great ground fighter GSP will have much better stand up. GSP vs anyone GSP will have an advanatage. Fighters like Kampmann and Condilt are well rounded as well but not at the level of GSP.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
What the fuck are you talking about?
His knowledge of getting hit in the face is better than the last time he fought GSP so he should get a rematch?
So you’re saying since Fitch knows how to get hit in the face better than last time, he might win?
This is how Dana will sell a rematch between GSP and Fitch?…
" Well we all know that Fitch can’t beat GSP standing or on the mat, but he knows how to defend a bit better than last time"
HAHA And why even make a comment like this????
But his understanding and knowlege of what striekrs will throw at him and how he can defend them is much improved from their first fight
I like ya, Puck. So I’m going to end this conversation before I get angry. That was the single most stupidest thing I’ve ever read.
I'm saying he knows how to defend better
And get the fight in close to a grappling match. His problem their first fight was he was using his face to defend shots but now he has a better D with his knowlege and technique.
As well Fitch is one of the fighters that can go the distance endurance wise with GSP…maybe the only?
Fitch won’t KO anybody standing or anything like that but he has much better standing D than he did their first fight.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
PS and their is no reason to get mad we are having a good debate
We both are GSP fans that have a different opion on Fitch. I never took anything you said as an insult and I hope you never took anything I said as an insult?
But I will agree when it comes to Fitch we don’t see eye to eye.
I better do some work here though my desk is piling up and it was great to see GSP destroy the big mouth :)
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
haha well i know what you think of it jay
im wondering what ol Puck Head feels about it
and Boom goes the dynamite.
IF BJ was still champion maybe but if he beats Fitch who Dana doesn't want to have a chance at the belt watch BJ get rewarded with a shot.
Beating Fitch proves you deserve a shot but in BJ’s case he also has to beat a great WW stand up fighter like Alves as well to deserve the shot.
Regardless unless the fight was in the last couple years the second best WW should be teh #1 contender period.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Fitch has been number 2 for the past 3 years.
Should he have been given 4 rematches with GSP by now?
There’s no point in letting Fitch fight GSP. HE CAN’T WIN AND IT WON’T SELL.
No he hasn't
After he lost to GSP he dropped Alves and someone else was ahead of him.
There’s no point in letting Fitch fight GSP. HE CAN’T WIN AND IT WON’T SELL.
That a lie he has the best chance out of any WW why put someone in against GSP that Fitch would beat please answer that guys you have been avoiding that question?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
You're fucking dumb
he has the best chance out of any WW why put someone in against GSP
That’s great. Most other guys have a 5 % chance of beating GSP and Fitch has a 6% chance. Yeah that makes a rematch worth it.
He’ll fight other contenders (even if Fitch can beat them) just so people will watch. WE all know what happens when Fitch fights GSP. Now we will get to see what other peoples’ skillsets look like against GSP. Because frankly nobody has a chance, that doesn’t mean they keep giving the same guy who may have a slightly higher chance of winning keep fighting him. Thank god you don’t run the UFC. You have no common sense.
Fitch is ranked higher than KOS and has A FAR BETTER RECORD.
Why would they let him fight GSP? Same goes for BJ, Hardy and Condit. They don’t just keep guys away from GSP because they think Fitch could beat them.
Use your head.
Is that from Dana?
It’s not hard to figure out that KOS being KO by Paulo shortly followed by Fitch destroying Paulo that Fitch deserves to be ranked higher than KOS.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
That's what I said.
Fitch is ranked higher than Kos and would probably beat him. Why would they let Kos get his rematch before Fitch if Fitch is better than KOS?
Because Fitch isn’t getting another title fight. Lord knows that Dana doesn’t want Fitch in 5 round fights. Fitch will not get a title shot with a win over BJ. I’m willing to bet that.
I think GSP wants it and if Fitch keeps winning Dana will have to give him his shot.
Dana only can do so much but if he keeps throwing good fighters at Fitch there will be no one else but Fitch left to fight.
In the end there is no WW that has a realistic shot at beating GSP I believe but I beleive Fitch has the best chance as little as it may be.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Styles make fights
Just because Fitch is the undisputed number 2 doesn’t mean he has anything to offer GSP. No one will decision GSP. GSP is better than Fitch in all aspects of the game. At least Shields has something he’s better at than GSP (BJJ).
by Patrick Daryl on Dec 13, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm getting at.
Fitch might be number 2, but he doesn’t possess the tools to keep a fight with GSP close. Therefore he will not be getting a rematch unless they totally run out of options and GSP wants to stay busy.
Shields has something he’s better at than GSP (BJJ).
Fitch’s BJJ is at the level of Shields infact they had a grappling JJ match back in 05 that was a great battle. Shields won their but it was a great battle. And even though Fitch does not have great stand up it’s much better than Shields and if he actually connected could do damage.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Eh… he wanted to finish Kos.
He didn’t TRY to finish Kos. You don’t finish someone with inside leg kicks and left lead jabs.
I applaud his skills. I applaud his utter dominance. But GSP doesn’t try to finish… he tries to dominate.
He did try to finish Fitch and just couldn’t because fitch wouldn’t stay down. I didn’t see the same against Kos. It was like GSP found one thing to work (jab) and was gonna keep doing it until Kos adapted and left somethign else open… but Kos never really adapted so GSP just kept punching him in the eye.
Good point
I think GSP was hoping for the jab to open up something else, but Kos never made an adjustment.
by Patrick Daryl on Dec 13, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
I wish we could quit having these discussions
We all just need to accept the fact that GSP is not going to finish many fights at the level he is fighting on these days. He is dominating top contenders while avoiding as much risk as possible. It truly is a cerebral approach to fighting, and it is paying off in spades for GSP.
I am sick of hearing from fans that seem to want to strip the belt from GSP because he doesn’t go for the kill. I am also sick of hearing GSP, Greg Jackson, and all their supporters make excuses every time out for not finishing. I’m tired of hearing about how they are really focused on the finish before every fight. Yeah Koscheck was tough, but so is everyone else at this level.
Maybe we should just call a spade a spade, and put this discussion to bed.
UFC fans are retarded.
If they don’t finish fights you question them.
If they do finish fights you question their competition.
Look at Fedor, he finishes fights, but everyone says “but he fights nobodies!”
Then you look at GSP and he doesn’t finish fights. Then you say “hes not aggressive enough! He has no power!”
NO matter what GSP does, a lot of people are going to complain.
Sonnen and Bisping = Pillow hands. The KO power of a paraplegic.
Jake Shields is the abortion of MMA. GSP would murder that clown.
--I did a lot of talking, but Brock Lesnar didn't back it up for me.--
Also, there is a much better chance a heavyweight will finish a fight, then a WW.
Sonnen and Bisping = Pillow hands. The KO power of a paraplegic.
Jake Shields is the abortion of MMA. GSP would murder that clown.
--I did a lot of talking, but Brock Lesnar didn't back it up for me.--
The problem with GSP for people is that he has the talent TO finish people. Its there.
GSP just doesn’t put it is a priority. He puts winning >>>>>>>>> everything else. And if he can win by staying outside and jabbing… he is going to do it. If he can win by taking someone down and holding them there… he is going to.
He holds back his killer instinct to eliminate any chance of a lucky shot. It is just how it is. He would rather win 15 fights in a row by UD than go 14-1 with 14 finishes and 1 lucky haymaker loss that happened to land when he went for the kill
we tried to knock him out?
Did Greg jump in georges booty shorts during the fight?
With the win over the legend Matt Hughes the gates are slowly being greased. Soon it will be time to open the Shit gates once again.
GSP is a smart fighter
he dominated the whole fight. He took Josh right out of the fight. He beat him down mentally rather than verbally. I am happy with the outcome id rather watch Gsp beat on him for 5 rounds than a quick knockout. He would be stupid to rush in throwing wildly against a fighter like koschek thats how you end up on the canvas just like the way stevenson did.
Why can't you kids just admit he's boring?
Been a fan of Mauricio Rua since day 1.
Been watching MMA since day 1.
Current MMA record: 40-1-0
by danago on Dec 13, 2010 8:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
really though
we had to listen to you go on and on and on about Kos and how awesome he was
but he got smashed
so shouldnt you shut the fuck up?
and Boom goes the dynamite.
Can we all atleast agree that Fitch is a better version of GSP?
I mean, Fitch actually shows some pretty sick gnp once he gets his opponent down. He actually tried finishing his fight with alves, unlike gsp.
Been a fan of Mauricio Rua since day 1.
Been watching MMA since day 1.
Current MMA record: 40-1-0
by danago on Dec 13, 2010 9:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can't anyone at Mania do something about this retarded bitch?
Isn’t this obvious trolling?
Fitch is a better version of GSP?
I know it’s good that this cunt gets responses and that puts more paper in Toms wallet, but this site is ruined daily by the stupid shit this bitch says.
Let's dispel that quickly.
How many people respond to danago or even comment on the site has nothing to do with putting paper in Tom’s wallet. The community that decides to comment makes up an extremely small portion of the actual audience.
That said, he didn’t say anything that I haven’t heard before and he also didn’t say anything that should be getting you riled up enough to call him a retarded bitch. We know he trolls but he’s typically pretty harmless in doing so.
Easiest way to deal with a troll is to just ignore him. You see a comment by danago, pass it by. Fact is, as long as he is being harmless, he’s not going to get banned. Actually, looking as his comment and then yours, you’re more likely to get banned for calling him a retarded bitch and a cunt. Not saying you’re going to, just making the point that you should just try to have fun with it.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
MMA Mania
by Geno Mrosko on Dec 13, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Geno won't come stepping to me like that again.
This is his only warning. hahahaha
Just playing Geno. I will try to ignore her.
I would have wanted Kos to go for the takedown the entire fight.
He did really good in the wrestling so i don’t know why he was standing all the time.
het mode, het cloth från topp till tåu.
pride maybe?
he talked so much shit about the “boring gsp gameplan” of TD TD TD
and Boom goes the dynamite.
didnt stop him against Daley
Before saying " you know what i might just stand with him just to prove a point"
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Dec 13, 2010 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is it lack of killer Instinct or fear of making a mistake?
I can’t figure it out. GSP has all the talent and skills yet he chooses to Jab the night away against a one eyed and one legged opponent. The performance was so one sided I felt like we were watching Vale Tudo 1996 or something. Ehy did GSP not capitalise on rocking Kos? Most guys who have the killer instinct smell blood and finish the fight, GSP needs to learn that this isn’t the same as risking the fight.
Looking on, i don’t think Shields will offer much except in the submission department.
Condit is the only real challenger.
When will GSP test himself at middlewieght? or is this jeopordising the legacy too much?
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by The Grecian Glaswegian on Dec 13, 2010 9:00 AM EST reply actions
i agree but dont..
i believe gsp is trying to finish, why he cant though im not really sure.. he might have the technique, but i wanna say the power isnt there or he just doesn’t have as good of accuracy as we believe.. yeah he lands everytime, in that sense hes accurate. when it comes to landing on the jaw though.. he doesn’t connect as often as he’d like, he even said he tried to in the post-fight conference but couldnt.
paulo thiago has a KO over koscheck and hes by far not a powerful striker, he couldnt hold anymore power than gsp has.. he just landed PERFECTLY.
GSP is right though.. who finish’s alves? who finish’s fitch? these guys are tough motherfuckers… then again he fought hardy for 5rds and hardy just got knocked out by carlos condit in 1..
i dont know really, gsp is the most dominate, but lesser fighters do finish some of the people he fights.. with the exception of fitch/alves.. yeah spencer fisher finished alves with a sub before but im talkin strikes.. and fitch’s upkick doesnt count that would fuck anyone up.
GSP throws crisp and accurate punches not wild and powerfull.
All these guys who are facing GSP they dont take risks they dont open up because GSP will capitilize on it. Kos against Thiago was swingin away his right hand leaving his chin all open, Hardy was swingin away against Condit and got caught.
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Dec 13, 2010 9:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you believe gsp is trying to finish and can't?
he has to throw other punches than just jabs to finish, it’s that simple. so no he didn’t try to finish or he just hasn’t got any other skills on the feet than a perfect jab.
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He threw a lot of combos.
He just couldn’t land on the button.
Have you noticed GSP doesn’t throw a lot of hooks? Hooks are what people have been knocking guys out with. He throws a lot of straight punches, usually to the head and nose area and not the chin. He should just start throwing at better targets.
Shields has jiu-jitsh to take Gsp out. Whether he will do it it’s a matter for another topic. Georges is smart, he’ll keep the fight standing and will win hands down. On Koscheck destruction, I expected more from him.
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Many fans don’t like Shields style but if he can get GSP down and that will be a big IF he has a chance. The problem is going to be in trying to take GSP down how much damage will he take and can take? Lets just say for arguement sake Shields has as good takedown as KOS I just don’t see him having a better chance than KOS with NO stand up threat? But on the ground Shields may be one of the best I just can’t see him getting this fight to the ground?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
all Gsp needs to train for Shields
is TDD and a Jab.
Once he busts up Shield with the jab, he can let his hands go, much more than he did with Kos because Sheilds poses absolutely no threat of a KO
and Boom goes the dynamite.
Yeah Shields may be one of the greatest ground artist but with little or no threat on the stand up I don't think he will have a chance to showcase his ground skills either
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
shields has a tonne of heart though
if Hendo couldnt finish with the H-bombs…..i think Georges’ elbows on the ground could do it though
and Boom goes the dynamite.
The difference between Hendo and GSP is GSP will avoid the takedown attempt with his speed
Hendo is flatfooted and if you get by his hands you can get into the grapple or TD attempt with GSP not only do you have to get by his hands you have to get a hold of him as he is always moving and much tougher than anyone Shields has ever faced.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Jake is going to take a beating just like everyone else does.
Maybe even worse than some as he has no standup! I like Sheilds but he’s gonna get tuned in pretty good if he ends up fighting GSP!
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
There sure are a lot of opinions on here, lol.
It's all about the entertainment.
anyone have a post fight interview with Koscheck?
Really wanna see what he had to say after the fight, and also wanna see his face!
he talked so much leading up to the fight, wouldnt touch gloves with G, surprising how he completely shut up once he had his ass handed to him.
and Boom goes the dynamite.
Did he even land a shot on GSP the whole fight lol!
I hate how Rogan always talks about how dangerous a striker Kos is now, LMAO thats is such a joke. If you call throwing a wild over hand right being a good striker well I guess he is then, Kos has some of the worst standup in the game. He had no response to GSP, he couldnt hit him hell he couldnt even get a shot off. The only Kos did in that fight was stuff a few shots, fine with George he will just punch you in your eye for awhile lol!
Kos' corner should have thrown in the towel after the fourth at the latest.
He’d stopped trying, he was just trying to survive the rest of the fight. The ref, the doctor or his corner should have stopped that fight for non-competitive competitors.
Is winning a five round decision enough?
Obviously depends who you ask. It’s not enough for Dana to consider GSP P4P with badASS (Anderson Spider Silva). However, if they were to fight, IMO it would be 50/50. GSP’s gameplan is to mitigate. The less risk he puts himself in, the less likely he’ll suffer another defeat. Problem against badASS is that he can go for the finish at anytime, but you never know when he’s going to feel like it. GSP has the wrestling skills to put badASS on his back. AS has the striking skills to knock anybody out. The question is how would AS handle fighting somebody with the speed of GSP and how would GSP handle fighting somebody with the range of AS. We can all play it out in our heads, but we probably will never truly know what would happen. I used to think AS would easily win because of the size advantage. Watching the Kos II fight made me think that GSP would have the chance to Frankie Edgar Anderson Silva. Although I would rather see AS fight Shogun, a GSP matchup would be intriguing to me as well.
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From ESPN, bet it was a long drive in the snow too.
Koscheck (15-5) was released from a Montreal-area hospital Sunday afternoon, according to his trainer, Bob Cook. He cannot fly home to San Jose, Calif., because an air pocket formed behind the broken orbital bone, making air travel dangerous. UFC officials arranged for Koscheck and Cook to drive Sunday afternoon from Montreal to Boston, where the 33-year-old fighter is expected to undergo surgery Monday or Tuesday.
It's all about the entertainment.
If KOS is a knock out artist, than Trigg, Yoshida, and Hazelett, then they are the welterweight’s premier strikers!! Hahaha, Joe Rogan doing his job makes me laugh. At least KOS will now not think his boxing is so lethat and that the actual crisp stikers in the division are gonna out point him again and again. Sure he’s come a long way in the striking, but has a loooong way to go.
GSP - Martial ARTIST, not thug.
Greetings from Ontario…
As a long time ‘stalker’ of these forums, I have finally decided to add my 2 cents w/ regards to GSP & his fighting style.
1st off, I am not an MMA practitioner, simply a fan. As a mid to high level multi-athlete (has been now…!), I also understand and appreciate the intricacies and psychology of being the best you can be in any kind of athletic competition. This approach is what sets GSP apart from almost any other MMA fighter that I have seen. The last time I checked, the UFC is not the ‘ultimate thug’ competition, it is the ultimate fighting competition. The fact that GSP consistently demolishes & demoralizes opponent’s with the ‘thug’ mentality is not lost on me. Also not lost on me is the ‘thug’ mentality of some of his detractors…Narrow minded, dense & primitive are words that come to mind as descriptions of these type of fighters & fans…GSP is this, GSP is that, GSP doesn’t finish, blah blah blah. What GSP does do is constantly improve, constantly learn & consistently dominate. These facts are a tribute to his work ethic, his otherworldly talent & his respect for his sport.
As for ‘finishing’ opponent’s, ask John Fitch, BJ Penn, Koscheck, etc…how they feel mentally after a 5 round beat down @ the hands of GSP…To know that they will never beat him, that they never will be the best has to be way more demoralizing then getting KTFO…
GSP will lose one day, that is a guarantee. Another guarantee is that he will be as gracious in defeat as he is in victory. Meanwhile, we should all enjoy the opportunity to witness his extraordinary talent & respect for his sport, his art, while he is in his prime. He is truly a ‘once in a lifetime’ athlete & the best ambassador a fledgling sport could ask for. His peers would be wise to observe & learn and to embrace his philosophy towards fighting, and more importantly, to being a Human Being.
That’s it, my 1st & probably last post ever! Have a good 1 people.
Very true and well written, my friend.
I agree 100%.
by GodDamnMike on Dec 13, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
One more thing. Why is it that in order for GSP to be considered great, and p4p etc. GSP now has to move up. Why didn’t Chuck move up when he was KOing everyone, or Hughes when he was the current Legendary WW??
GSP uses his mind and body as tools, and isn’t about to abuse his body jumping weight classes so a million drunk preppy’s and strong ape-like men can see true combat. As far as I’m concerned, GSP is the single most elite athlete in the game, and using a very intelligent approach to fighting and longevity. He is the most hardest working guy, and runs through everyone, yet somehow because he didn’t finish his last few, he’s not the best? If he’s not the best in your mind, go on and ask #’s ranked 2-10, see what they have to say.
He has to move up because a lot of fans are jealous of him
And need to see him beaten to feel better about themselves.
True signs of mental midgets.
I wonder if the meatheads that are not impressed with GSP not KOing people ever put any thaught into the respect that the recipient has learnt? Likely not. They just concentrate on AS and Shields to finish off this humble Frenchy. What will likely never happen is their only hit they have on GSP and it kills them.
by GodDamnMike on Dec 13, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
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