Do the math: Greg Jackson responds to Dana White's criticism over camp's 'consistency'
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 1:10 PM EST
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"Here's a quick stat for you. So there's been 22 [UFC events] this year? We had 12 bonuses so far this year. So one out of every two, one of my fighters got 'Submission of the Night,' 'Knockout of the Night,' or 'Fight of the Night.' [Dana] wants to say there's a consistency? Okay, let's look at statistical consistencies. Let's look at Jon Jones, who has finished every fight with me in the first round, except for that Matt Hamill one, which would have been a first-round stoppage anyway if he hadn't thrown that illegal elbow. Let's look at Carlos Condit, who had Fight of the Night and Knockout of the Night. Even people on the undercard who people don't really know yet. Kyle Noke, two finishes, both in the second round. Almost everybody on our team finishes consistently. It didn't bug me until Dana said it. Fans are fans, but Dana said that and, you know, I've worked really hard in his organization. If you look at my stats, they're insane. Imagine you give your life to something and then your boss comes up and says, 'Man, you suck.'"
World renowned mixed martial arts trainer Greg Jackson drops a mathematical bomb on UFC President Dana White's recent criticism over the consistency of the Jackson camp after Nate Marquardt phoned it in against Yushin Okami at UFC 122 back on Nov. 13. Jackson is often recognized for his shortcomings and not necessarily his success, which could in itself be an indication of how much he's accomplished in the few short years the fight guru has been sending his troops into battle. Anyone think his criticism was unwarranted? Or did his camp fail Nate Marquardt in his time of need?
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“…[F]or Nate Marquardt to leave the Octagon that night feeling like he won, your corner did you wrong,” White said. “Your corner did you wrong if you think you won that fight.”
GREG
“He didn’t hear what I was telling Nate Marquardt. Me and Trevor were screaming. Listen to the audio. At one point in the third round, I yelled at Nate very clearly, ‘Nate, you have a minute and a half to knock this guy out; you must get a knockout.’ As clear as day, and I asked Nate if he remembered me yelling that. He said, ‘Yeah, I heard you say that.’ I was screaming at him. I thought we had lost the first two rounds.”
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions
Coker needs to become best freinds with jackson asap.
"People say that marijuana smoking is going to get in the way of my career. I say to them that on the contrary, my fighting career is getting in the way of my marijuana smoking." -Nick Diaz
by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Single fighters leaving, even big names, cant hurt the UFC too much
but imagine of whole camps (Jackson, AKA) were to all unite and leave. Too bad money is what matters, and SF cant compete with the UFC there.
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Solid fanpost, Cali. rec!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
i only copied pasted what i came across,
good story no doubt, but no effort on my end.
i could have fancied it up but i dont have much time.
im sure a staffy will be along to do that lol!
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
this is the same as what Greg told me
he really didnt seem too bothered when i talked to him, it must really be that Dana said it
mondaymorningblackbelt.com"
I thought I knew MMA until I met Two_Words"
Why would Jackson want to be friends with Coker...
so he can bring his fighter to a 2nd rate company? Please!
An injured Anderson Silva managed to finish a roided Chael Sonnen but GSP can't finish a natural WW who isn't an MMA dinosaur and won't take a fight at an above weight class. Let's not kid ourselves about who the P4P best is!
I can't wait to see what Dana say's
jackson made some great points and Jackson has a lot of fighters fighter under him so you will see the good the bad and the ugly with that many guys. Anyway Dana has been told with facts I can’t wait to see what his response is.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Dana will probably come out with some half ass apolagy
Dana gets emotional and says stupid shit sometimes. He probably knows this is one of thos times.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."-Albert Einstein
SF wouldn't be second rate if the entire team signed with them
Their problem though is that Coker isn’t running them, he’s just a figurehead and not a particularly good one. Showtime are the ones making the decisions and M-1 are the ones who are in control of his top fighter, Coker is not the one making matches or signing talent.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
The entire team couldn't sign with them so thats pointless even talking about
Each fighter has his own contract and yes SF is second rate besides the HW division that is fairly equal.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
who would they all fight?
they wont fight each other so they would all fight the 2 worthwhile guys in each division that strikeforce has. and with that many people leaving the ufc there would be lots of slots in the ufc roster need filling. it would be a mass trade off and all SF would have left is one team of fighters not willing to fight each other.
All I'm saying is that upsetting arguably the best camp in MMA is a stupid thing to do
Dana needs to be more careful about what he says to the press, no one man is bigger than the sport. Look at all of the trouble he got into for that foul mouthed rant he made about Loretta Hunt, if insulting a Sherdog reporter who most UFC fans have never heard of could get him in that much trouble then imagine what would happen if his comments meant that an entire team no longer wanted to fight in the UFC.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Good post!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Dude, please! All this talk of Jackson MMA leaving UFC is absurd.
It’s like saying the NFL needs to be careful not to piss off the Dallas Cowboys or Pittsburg Steelers.
Jackson needs the UFC, not visa-versa. Jackson’s best fighters are all under contract with the UFC…they can’t just walk away from those contracts and fight elsewhere, and why would they want to. If Jackson’s team left the UFC, Jackson’s fighters would leave Jackson. Just like if the Steelers left the NFL and joined the CFL, all their best players would go to other NFL teams. These guys train with Jackson because they want to fight in the big leagues. If training there meant being excluded from the premier show in the sport, it would defeat the whole reason they went to Jackson in the first place. Strikeforce + Jackson MMA still equals minor leagues. UFC is the majors with or without Jackson’s handful of standouts. Rashad is as big a loyalist/team player as you could hope for, but do you really think he’d stick with Jackson if it meant leaving the UFC and fighting has-beens like Babalu?
"Who's da MASTA?!!!"
Kev...
Dana said he was responding as a fan… obviously sitting at ringside but not catching all that was said in the corner.. I guess Dana is going to be more upset at Marquardt for not maning up in the 3rd rnd.
Either Way…. Dana should “shut the fuck up” let the fighters fight… n let the coaches coach….. all this from a guy that can’t pick a winning fight in TUF or team and was a failed boxer to scared to even try pro… a awesome president/founder/promoter… but no coach or fighter…
If dana can give an honest opinion lets see him give an honest apology… MAN UP DANA!!
You mean it will be the happiest day of dana's life
He hates AKA and Zinkin Management. I mean he was more than willing to cut Jon Fitch over nothing, has said himself that he’ll deal with Kos but personally doesn’t think much of him, has had many back and forth with Bob Cook/Co to the point where Mike Swick bitched and switched sides to avoid fallout. Hell during the whole Fitch thing, it wasn’t major news since he was still a small fish but Cain motherfucking Cain out of all people was on the chopping block and also released by dana. UFC controls everything, nothing in the industry can hurt it only something of the PRIDE-Yakuza level controversy might.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 30, 2010 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yea, that's the problem.
these owners who knows nothing else than making money should personally be shot in the mouth by me with a shotgun. line dana, lorenzo, frank and the rest of zuffa up for me and i’ll happily blow their heads off.
het mode, het cloth från topp till tåu.
and what about all the other promoters?
You still haven’t explained to me how Dana is only about the bottom line and the Scott Cokers of the world aren’t?
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
scott coker is irrelevant.
dana is the leading example because he is the world leader. him and his friends private company is worse than anything that ever happened in the sport of boxing.
het mode, het cloth från topp till tåu.
i oppose dana for a lot of the same reasons but i wouldn't go as far as saying its worse then
anything that ever happened in the sport of boxing.
"People say that marijuana smoking is going to get in the way of my career. I say to them that on the contrary, my fighting career is getting in the way of my marijuana smoking." -Nick Diaz
by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
im with you on a lot of what you say Roberto. I care...
"People say that marijuana smoking is going to get in the way of my career. I say to them that on the contrary, my fighting career is getting in the way of my marijuana smoking." -Nick Diaz
by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
If I didn't care
we wouldn’t ever have discussed this before. Since this is like our umpteenth go, I would venture to say that we do care.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
yes "we" care.
but we’re computer nerds/more than just fight fans. I’d like to be just a fight fan but someone like Dana won’t allow it he has to put his big nasty hands all over.
het mode, het cloth från topp till tåu.
Speak for yourself
Im a fight fan, not a computer nerd. 2nd, all of the dumbasses above are stupid as shit. You guys need to stop thinking the posters on mmamania are the entire mma world. 98.8% of people that watch MMA only know they are watching UFC, not MMA and can give 2 shits who is fighting or what camp they are from. Unless you say Chuck Liddell or Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar… they don’t even know who you are talking about.
I’ve said it before 98% of fans think Strikeforce was their 1980’s bowling team.
Nothing Ever Changes When Nothing Ever Changes
RoBerto is just pissed...
Roberto has a point but goes overboard… aka n Jackson’s camp arent going anywhere… he just hates a pissed off president that has the power to put his thoughts where they shouldnt be…
yes, spot on.
if that didn’t come across to errybody then i’m sorry.
het mode, het cloth från topp till tåu.
it just feels so good to go all out sometimes.
kinda like Dana.
het mode, het cloth från topp till tåu.
thanks bud
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
More proof that DW needs a filter in his head. I appreciate his hard work and passion but he undermines his own progress when he pisses people off.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Particularly when one of those people is Greg Jackson.
This poll was a no-brainer.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
seriously
who would vote NO when asked that question. The answer to that is always, yes. Always.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I was going to go with just "yes"
but ive done that before already lol
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Batista poll?
By far the best poll I’ve seen on Mania.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
yep that was it! thanks LOL!
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
That was a classic, no shame in doing the same thing again if it was funny the first time
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Agreed OJR
My wife often says to me, “you know that thing most people have, that tells them…..hey, maybe I shouldn’t voice this particular thought out loud…..yeah, well yours is broken.”
I think Dana tends to voice every emotional opinion that crosses his mind.
I swear, he’s worse than the casual fan for spewing out dumb comments without thinking. I love what Dana has done for the sport but he is never happy lately!
You're DEAD at recess.
by Scottidog on Nov 30, 2010 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dana is worse than the Keyboard Warriors that piss him off
Dana’s been spouting off Mis-Information… On the other hand Dana will be pissed that Marquardt wasnt willing to put it on the line in the 3rd Rnd.
Agree he’s talking gas more and more these days, can’t take him seriously anymore
by stebrillz on Nov 30, 2010 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
condit and jones arnt his fighters per se
they would fight the same whatever camp they were in.just look at guillards performance against stephens.enough said!
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Dude condit has been Jackson fighter dice hi wec days
"That fight was like just waiting with tension for the pitbull to rip apart the bunny....
then all of a sudden the bunny turns into fucking bear and fucks up everyone’s moneylines and parlays.." -NNR
Late Takedown FTW
by Synyster_08 on Nov 30, 2010 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
didnt he go from camp to camp?my bad if he didnt
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
At least his last 10 fights have been with Jackson's
All his WEC and UFC fights.
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
he wasnt for the ellenberger fight im sure of it
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
They may have named Grudge as a training site
but that is Jackson’s Colorado. I wish ANS were here. I am pretty sure Carlos grew up in the Albequerqe area and was one of the original GregJax disciples.
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
im sure he moved to arizona combat sports
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Aren't they defunct?
When Cain left, they went to shit.
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
Carlos trained at Jackson's back in the day when him at that ol' leathery skinned lookin dude ran the shit together. Then them two had a falling out, and Condit went with that guy with they leathery skin
Just googled it. Tom Vaughn is the name of leathery skinned man.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
VM we can’t be friends if you use that name again. Leathery skinned man will work.
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 30, 2010 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny and interesting
What did Mr Leathery Skinned Man do to you ANS?
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
i thought bader and dollaway were still there
could be wrong
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
I just checked out their website
when you click “pro mma fighters” you get an error. That doesn’t seem good.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
They left a few months ago, along with Simpson
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
yea haha thats deff not ideal deuce
thanks for the info david
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
he was with them for one fight I believe
After he lost to Kampmann he went back to Gregs….At least that is how I remember it going down.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
yeah kampmann and ellenberger
jackson must be the shit then because he didnt win any of those fights :)
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
wiki has him as born in Albuquerque and currently training at Jackson
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of condit, does he have a fight set up yet?
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
now thats a great fight!!!
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
All you peeps got it wrong. Condit was training at FIT NHB in Albuquerque back in his WEC days then he jumped to AZ combat sports and now Jacksons.
You have it wrong. Carlos has been here consistently for a long while. While he has had his ventures in Arizona and a looong time ago at FIT he has been here during a lot of his WEC days and now his UFC days. He has been a work in progress under Greg for a long time.
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 30, 2010 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
see?? told you guys!
"That fight was like just waiting with tension for the pitbull to rip apart the bunny....
then all of a sudden the bunny turns into fucking bear and fucks up everyone’s moneylines and parlays.." -NNR
Late Takedown FTW
by Synyster_08 on Nov 30, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
"Almost everybody on our team finishes consistently"
except for george that is
The Red Wings will come back stronger
RESTORE THE ROAR 2010 Detroit Lions
65% finish rate isn't bad at all.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
most of those finishes came when he was in Canada though.
"That fight was like just waiting with tension for the pitbull to rip apart the bunny....
then all of a sudden the bunny turns into fucking bear and fucks up everyone’s moneylines and parlays.." -NNR
Late Takedown FTW
8 out of 15 UFC fights. Still better than 50%. You guys really complain about fighters who finish more than half their fights?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
the word here is consistency. when is the last time he got a finish
The Red Wings will come back stronger
RESTORE THE ROAR 2010 Detroit Lions
15 rounds ago.
"That fight was like just waiting with tension for the pitbull to rip apart the bunny....
then all of a sudden the bunny turns into fucking bear and fucks up everyone’s moneylines and parlays.." -NNR
Late Takedown FTW
by Synyster_08 on Nov 30, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Haha really?
Were the Alves and Hardy fights each 7.5 rounds? Or was one of them a 10 round marathon? Or is math just not your thing?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
lol 10 rouns in a row but in his last 4 fights he has been in the octagon 19 out of a posible 20 rounds. thats 95 mins of the camera on gsp sack the whole time
The Red Wings will come back stronger
RESTORE THE ROAR 2010 Detroit Lions
thats what i meant. my b
"That fight was like just waiting with tension for the pitbull to rip apart the bunny....
then all of a sudden the bunny turns into fucking bear and fucks up everyone’s moneylines and parlays.." -NNR
Late Takedown FTW
math just not my thing. thanks for understanding.
"That fight was like just waiting with tension for the pitbull to rip apart the bunny....
then all of a sudden the bunny turns into fucking bear and fucks up everyone’s moneylines and parlays.." -NNR
Late Takedown FTW
Anybody got roster lists for aka and jackson's?
Probably wouldn’t happen but would shake the shit out of mma if those 2 camps walked on the ufc.
Meant to hit reply to cali
when he said imagine if whole camps left. If dana keeps shitting on people in the press, you never know. Egos are fragile.
exactly!
when he said imagine if whole camps left.
Way out of the question of reality, because money trumps all, but it would be monumental.
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
who said imagineif whole camps left?
If it was GregJax, believe me, he has said it to his guys and the consideration has been made. The problem would be competition.
If anyone doesn’t think that GregJax does not have the will to be a promoter, you have never really studied the man. Given the right resources and competition, I would bet my bank account on him leaving the UFC, with ALL his fighters, tomorrow.
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
i said it
Single fighters leaving, even big names, cant hurt the UFC too much
but imagine of whole camps (Jackson, AKA) were to all unite and leave. Too bad money is what matters, and SF cant compete with the UFC there.
WAY out of course, i know.
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
*out there
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I bet not as far out as you think
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
though I wonder
what the contractual ramifications would be? It’s likely that all his fighters are out of sync contract-wise (meaning each has a different number of fights remaining) so they couldn’t really pull off a complete “abandon ship” move at the same time.
Albino Mormon 4 Life
He would need (at a minimum) 50% of these guys at one time to make it work.
HW – Carwin, Schaub
LHW – Bones, Shad
MW – Nate
WW – GSP, Condit, Diego
LW – Cerrone, Guillard
BW – Garcia
What big names did I forget? I believe it would take roster of 6-12 named guys for GregJax to convince SF or Dream to co-promote initially. That means 2-4 fighters per monthly card fighting every 3 months. As the contract fall off for the UFC, they automatically get signed by GregJax promotions to 5 fight deals and .01% (Garcia) to 5% (GSP) of the company. When fighters realize they can get a piece of the promotional pie, they will BOLT to GregJax productions!!
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
what are the stipulations for time lines for fights though ulf
we are hypothetically speaking of course but if dana clued there was gonna be an exodus couldnt he just shelve the fighters?does it go contract by contract?didnt he freeze randy?good topic!
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
I have never seen a UFC contract, so I don't know
Randy was still under contract when he left, which is why he lost in court, and I know that DW likes to re-sign his guys (that he wants) before they get to one fight remaining. I have also heard about the championship clause that gives the UFC first right of refusal for any sitting champions against any other organization.
It is really far-fetched, but as the fighters ability/leverage to negotiate gets stronger (which it will), DW will lose total control of some really big fighters.
If Kimbo was smarter, he would have created a promotion company and fought for it, instead of waiting for a big payday that never came.
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
you guys are getting me really excited about this possibility.
Mix it up Greg! Lead the charge!
"People say that marijuana smoking is going to get in the way of my career. I say to them that on the contrary, my fighting career is getting in the way of my marijuana smoking." -Nick Diaz
by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
ulf here are the stats jackson camp just released.
Nate Marquardt:
All stoppages in last four wins
Fight of the Night bonus at UFC 109 on Feb. 6, 2010
Joe Stevenson (last three fights with Jackson’s):
Submission of the Night
Fight of the Night
Fight of the Night (most recent at UFC 110 on Feb. 21, 2010)
Georges St. Pierre:
Retains his welterweight world title
Kyle Noke:
2-0 with 2 finishes
Jon Jones:
Finished two of the last of three opponents in the first round
Knockout of the Night at UFC LIVE on March 21, 2010
Melvin Guillard:
Undefeated since joining the team; 3-0 with 1 KO
Clay Guida:
Two submission finishes in his last three fights
Submission of the Night at UFC LIVE on March 21, 2010
Shane Carwin:
Finished four of five opponents in the first round
Knockout of the Night at UFC 111 on March 27, 2010
Ryan Jensen:
Submission of the Night at UFC 114
Rashad Evans:
Regains No. 1 contender spot for light heavyweight title
Carlos Condit (in his two fights since joining the team):
Fight of the Night at UFC 115 on June 12, 2010
Knockout of the Night at UFC 120 on Oct. 16, 2010
Keith Jardine:
Fight of the Night at The Ultimate Fighter Finale on June 19, 2010
Brian Stann (since making the transition to 185):
Fight of the Night at UFC LIVE on Aug. 1, 2010
Yoshihiro Akiyama:
Fight of the Night at UFC 120 on Oct. 16, 2010
Diego Sanchez:
Rejoined Jackson team and snapped losing streak
Fight of the Night at UFC 121 on Oct. 23, 2010
Leonard Garcia:
Fight of the Night at WEC 47 on March 6, 2010
Fight of the Night at WEC 48 on April 24, 2010
Candidate for Fight of the Year
Damacio Page:
Two of last three fights in the WEC were first-round finishes
Cub Swanson:
Fight of the Night at WEC 52 on Nov. 11, 2010
*Had another Fight of the Night bonus in November 2009 (just missed 2010)
Donald Cerrone:
Six of his last seven fights have been awarded Fight or Submission of the Night
Brendan Schaub:
Won two of last three fights by first-round knockout
"People say that marijuana smoking is going to get in the way of my career. I say to them that on the contrary, my fighting career is getting in the way of my marijuana smoking." -Nick Diaz
by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
LMFAO at GSP
Even Greg had nothing exciting at all to say about GSP’s game.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
lol.
"People say that marijuana smoking is going to get in the way of my career. I say to them that on the contrary, my fighting career is getting in the way of my marijuana smoking." -Nick Diaz
by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
True
Though GSP is the only current world champion at Jacksons, so being “boring” has worked out pretty well for him. I know I’d much rather be the best than the most exciting.
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Good call on Condit going back to Jax, scott1
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Marquardt = 1-2 in 2010 both losses by decision and his one win was by TKO
Joedaddy = In 2010 he only had one fight and he lost a decision to Sotiropoulos but it was Fight of the Night
GSP = Had one fight in 2010 a decision to Hardy but the dude dominated him and is champion.
Noke = 1 Sub and 1 TKO in 2010
Bones = 2 TKOs in 2010
Guillard = 2 decisions and 1 TKO in 2010. 3 wins.
Clay Guida = 2 Sub wins in 2010
Shane Carwin = 1 TKO win in 2010, 1 loss in 2010
Ryan Jensen = 2 Submission loses and 1 Submission win in 2010
Rashad = 2 decision wins in 2010
Condit = 1 KO and 1 TKO in 2010, FOTN and KOTN
Jardine = Fired from the UFC, So who cares 2 losses in UFC in 2010 1 was FOTN
Stann = Lost Decision to Phil Davis at LHW and Submission win at MW in 2010. Win was FOTN
Sexiyama = 1 Submission loss 1 Decision loss in 2010 both were FOTN but still losses
Diego – 1 Decision win in 2010 under Jackson. Was FOTN
Garcia – 1 Draw, 1 Decision win, 1 Decision Loss in 2010 – FOTN awarded twice
Damacio Page – 1 Submission loss in 2010,
Cub Swanson – 1 Decision loss and 1 Decision win in 2010 – FOTN awarded
Donald Cerrone – 1 submission loss 1 decision win in 2010 – FOTN awarded in win
Schaub – 1 decision win 2 TKO wins in 2010
So in conclusion in 2010 Jackson fighters had
25 wins
15 losses
Of those wins
10 TKO/KOs
5 Submissions
10 Decisions
11 FOTN
1 KOTN
My math may be wrong. Doing this at work is hard.
i consider myself a pretty big fan of mma
and i had no idea some of those fighters trained with jackson…i mustve known guida did and just forgot, but i had no idea brian stann was there
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
but
I think Dana and the UFC have a lot more money to throw at these guys than Jackson or SF could. Not to mention UFC is the big dog in MMA and these fighters may covet fame and money over DW’s attitude and Jackson’s camp. Just sayin’
Expected future earnings, my friend.
It got the best and brightest into Silicon Valley in the 80’s, it could do the same for MMA.
Would you work for $50,000 annually with the possible expectation at $1mm annually for the rest of your life (as part owner) if the venture works? Or would you prefer $200,000 annually with no raise ever until your fight career is done?
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cub swanson man.
hes gonna be a huge fan favorite now that hes in the UFC. mark my words.
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by Andrew Keller on Nov 30, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Mendez made him look bad at stopping TD’s, but I really like his aggressiveness.
After Mendez and his last fight (can’t remember the opponent) I am thinking Swanson might be better suited to 135.
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I'm sure Dana is looking to make stars/fan favorites out of some of these 145 & 135ers.
I’m sure he will give Cub a guy who will trade with him. At least for his UFC debut.
Agreed again.
The matchmaking should be interesting.
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eh
I don’t much care for Cub Swanson, and I believe my discontent stems from his antics towards Jens during the build up to their fight.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
He was a grade A douchebag in that build up
And will always be best known for the double-knee KO at the hands of Jose Aldo, but I like watching him fight.
Same with BJ, Diaz (either), and Cerrone. (Douchebags that are enjoyable to watch fight)
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You can call me blind, but I just don’t put BJ in the same category as Diaz or Cerrone. He had two instances where I wish things had been different…
“To the death”
“Mama at Greasegate”
Other than those to instances, which was really one instance, I don’t understand all the hate.
Hello Floodgates.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I dislike BJ for a few reasons
One is the psycho fans like PB. As a diehard Fedor nuthugger, I am well aware of my hypocrisy.
Another’s the excuses. Ask him, he never had a legitimate loss in his life.
Third is his notoriously inconsistent work ethic. I, as someone with no natural talent save a concrete skull, hate it when people waste theirs. One of my friends pisses me off to no end because he’s not even twenty and already has enough punching power to have a 60% knockout rate in amateur boxing. I’m talking five pounds of padding between his fists and the opponent’s face and he still knocks them silly. His bagwork sounds like someone test-firing a shotgun. Problem is, he’s an idiot who dropped out of high school and refuses to work enough cardio to be a threat after the first three minutes.
Tl;dr, ego.
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by Johnny WF on Nov 30, 2010 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The double knee KO is still the craziest KO I've ever seen
Just one of the many reasons why Aldo is P4P the baddest man on the planet. Crazy, crazy finish.
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Jackson does promote his own mma fights
There called Jacksons MMA Series or something like that. They have them in Albuquerque every few months.
i see him posting about those on facebook, they seem to be a basic regional show for his lesser known fighters,
i’d love to see him take it a step further.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
$$$
But there is NO chance that the Fertita’s (the real businessmen) would not have layered contracts with championship clauses that allow an entire team to be in negotiations at one time.
The only person that could carry a PPV by himself, ala Boxing, is Brock (maybe GSP), so there is no worry of any one guy leaving and making a difference.
I look at it this way. I would pay $25 for a GSP fight on a card where the remaining fighters are all prospects. When that number reaches $49.95 (like Pacman or Gayweather), DW needs to start worrying.
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They probably can't walk out with the UFC contracts
Zuffa would bury them in court forever before showing up in any other org, just ask Randy.
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I didn't hit up the link
Did GregJax actually post numbers? Can someone post them here if so?
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just the numbers i already posted
this year there have been 22 events and his fighters have received 12 award bonuses. 1out of every 2 of his fighters’ fights.
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
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by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
1out of every 2 of his fighters’ fights
Not quite what it means . . . unless only 1 GJ fighter fights each event. Has it averaged out to that? Because otherwise it’s 1 award bonus every 2 events, or 12 award bonus/X number of GJ fighters who have competed overall.
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i was reiterating what jackson said, not sure how many guys his guys fight and what events
“Here’s a quick stat for you. So there’s been 22 [UFC events] this year? We had 12 bonuses so far this year,” Jackson said in a phone interview. “So one out of every two, one of my fighters got Submission of the Night, Knockout of the Night, or Fight of the Night.”
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha.
What you said made it sound like it was half the fights one of his fighters is involved in (rather than half the events). Thanks for clearing it up.
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That is why I asked for additional stats.
GregJAx is smart, he is already skewing numbers in his favor. If, in those 22 cards, he had 88 fighters, fight, that is only a 13% finish rate if they were the only ones who finished. (12/88)
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Out of the 22 events thus far
have 3 bonuses been awarded for every one? sometimes theres no sub or ko.
but if so, then 66 bonuses given out and 12 have gone to his fighters.
It would be very interesting if someone did an intricate analysis of which major camps produce the most finishes.
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
These stats aren't even about finishes, though.
They’re about award bonuses. Quite often, FOTN awards go to an exciting fight that went to a decision so award bonuses and finishes can’t really be compared with these stats.
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you're right
I think greg was counting all bonuses (the 12 awards) and not solely stoppages/finishes because dana wasnt calling him out for not finishing, but specifically being boring. And a fotn isnt boring. Either way you look at it, the numbers do seem somewhat skewed to show them in a better light. Its like anything tho, many camps have a ton of great fighters, and some are exciting and finish often and some not so much-all under 1 roof/camp.
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
greg jackson is a great trainer
not a good trainer but a great trainer, the best in the game today, his guys have a gameplan and if they stick to it they usually win.. as for dana’s comments-he’s an emotional guy and he says what’s on his mind and sometimes he’s right and sometimes he’s wrong, and on this occasion he’s wrong.
I don't think its the Jackson Camp that has this problem.
Its an issue throughout the MMA community. You have specific fighters that just refuse to evolve their skills. Whether its wrestling, BJJ or striking. You have fighters who take people down and lay on them. BJJ practitioners that don’t know how to take people down and beat up or have to be taken down before they can implement their skill set and then what they know doesn’t translate into MMA. Finally you have strikers who refuse to work on their TDD or footwork. Thing is, of the 3, the last one is forgiven because at least striking is “entertaining” when put up against another striker. Jackson just works his fighter’s skill sets and talents to their advantage. that’s what a coach does. You can’t blame him for that. He’s the best at it in my opinion. Don’t blame the camp. Can’t even really blame the fighters…just do what you’ve been doing and don’t advance them as quickly. I’m ok with that.
Dana needs to realize that even though he’s a fan of the sport, the spotlight is on him as the boss. That’s all.
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Is this a problem with the rule?
or with the lack of depth in the talent pool? I think it is the latter.
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the rules...s..s..s..s..s lol
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I definitely think its the fighters and not the rules
"You can’t make everyone happy no matter what. All I can do is live my life and try to be successful and please myself. I have my own morals I live by. Bill Cosby once said, ‘I don’t know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.’ I agree with that. I live my life my way. I try to do the right thing, but I know there are going to be people who aren’t happy with what I do or say no matter what, so I’m not going to worry about it." - BJ PENN
Agree with your original post OneMan
But i actually think it’s the rules. The current rules of MMA favor a wrestler over a BJJ guy….for example, and in the eyes of most judges, a guy that’s laying and praying in top position will get more credit that a stud JJ guy that’s trying to pull subs from the bottom. Jackson knows this. To Jackson’s credit, his fighters, and his fight plans are always built for the win, first and foremost. They will sacrifice excitement for the win, as they should in my opinion. The rules create the scenario. Most of the guys in Jackson’s camp will do whatever the hell he tells them to do for the most part (Nate excluded!!) If MMA were to start rewarding submission attemps from the bottom with the same amount of credit as riding time in the top position, i think you’d see a real change in strategy….not just from Jackson’s camp, but from every camp.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Rules =/= Judging
The current rules of MMA favor a wrestler over a BJJ guy….for example, and in the eyes of most judges, a guy that’s laying and praying in top position will get more credit that a stud JJ guy that’s trying to pull subs from the bottom
That’s an issue with judging and not rules. The fact that fights start on the feet and are returned to the feet if there isn’t adequate action on the ground are rules that favor stand-up fighters. If fighters are rewarded for top position without inflicting damage to their more active opponent, that’s an issue with the judging. I think that the rules of MMA favor strikers, while the judging tends to favor wrestlers.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Jackson ruined Nate’s career.. Go do some research and look at the ‘numbers’. Nate used to finish most fights before he joined jacksons camp. He was badass, now it’s like he doesn’t want to exchange or risk anything, he doesn’t want to let his hands go because he might upset Jackson. Gameplans can backfire, sometimes fighters look too far into them.. Come fight night they stick to this gp and of it doesn’t work for then, they’re fucked.
Just because gsp can go out there and best his opponent up with ease without taking any damage, doesn’t mean you can Nate, sorry. Time to stop listening to Jackson.
In conclusion, Jackson ended Nates career, so go blame him.. blame him for ruining such a ‘great’ fighter. Cheers bro, way to go.
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by danago on Nov 30, 2010 2:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nate went to him
So if he is still a top 20 fighter Greg hasn’t a reason to take him away
The problem is that Greg can’t train everyone perfectly, but who can?
by Johnny 3 Tears on Nov 30, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus Danago......
I can never tell whether you’re being sarcastic or not……assuming you’re not in this case, i wouldn’t blame Jackson for Nate’s lack of progress. I highly doubt Jackson’s game plan was to either wrestle, or fight this guy in the clinch, and I KNOW the plan wasn’t to sit back and do nothing. I’m sure they had a plan to get out there and outstrike Okami, which would be a valid gameplan…..the problem was, Okami’s a little better on his feet than Nate gave him credit. I think Okami caught Nate, and the result was Nate’s lack of agression thru the rest of the fight. In other words, he took Nate right out of his gameplan……..and this wouldn’t be the first time that Nate aborted the original plan (ie…..Sonnen Fight). You can’t put that on Jackson, that’’s all on Nate.
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His gameplan was to go out and try counter okami. Try take very little damage and not risk anything as it was for a shot at the title. His gameplan should of been to go out and push it, not hang back and play this ‘gameplan’ bullshit. I wanna see the Nate of old, just like I want to see the old gsp.
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by danago on Nov 30, 2010 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well Danago...
That’s what it appeared to be, becuase that’s what he did. Iit could be that wasn’t the gameplan at all. That he wasn’t following the gameplan that Jackson put in place, and lost the fight because he was running on “self will” and not listening to his corner.
Or more so the gameplan wasn’t working? It seems when he wins, hey the gameplan is great, but when he loses its ‘he didn’t follow the gameplan’.. Instead of relying on this gameplan to work, he should maybe rely on some of his other skills and talents. Same shit happened with Sonnen when he kicked his ass.. This is fighting, gameplans don’t always work, then what.
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jacksons taking it a little to personal
In the interview where he criticizes jakson dana said he likes jacksons and respects him right at the beginning
yeah but still
I like you dia mette, I respect your posts and your willingness to debate mma
but you suck at it and you are ruining our sport
and Boom goes the dynamite.
by Newfie3 on Nov 30, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i get your point,
most people are missing the point jackson could have all his fighters get FOTN bounusus and it woulndt mean squat,
when one of his fighters are headlining a UFC card and what happens happened Okami/ marquardt, the thats what dana is ganna talk about. When you are the main event you have a greater responsibility
Nates camp actually ended up cheating him because if he knew he needed that 3rd he would have threw everything he had in desperation especially after saying about 1000000 times that this title shot meant everything to him
you see it all the time in post fight blogs, even when a guy goes out and fights his ass off and loses dana always tells them thank you for the great fight and not to worry, How you fight is just as important as winning and losing
If GregJax told him he NEEDED the third,
the onus falls upon the fighter and not the camp any longer.
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NEEDED the KO in the third
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if your in the corner
and your mentor your trainer some one you trust is telling you your winning the fight, you would believe him too, who wouldnt, nate thought he had victory in the bag and played it safe in the final rd
I am confused
Up above Jackson said he knew Nate was losing and told him he needed a KO. Here, you are saying he told Nate he was winning. Where do you get this?
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
seems like some confusion over what was said between the rounds and during the 3rd.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Nov 30, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
dia, did you actually hear him tell Nate he was winning
or are you going by what DW said?
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Well, there's your problem lol
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“Here’s a quick stat for you. So there’s been 22 [UFC events] this year? We had 12 bonuses so far this year. So one out of every two, one of my fighters got ‘Submission of the Night,’ ‘Knockout of the Night,’ or ‘Fight of the Night.’ [Dana] wants to say there’s a consistency? Okay, let’s look at statistical consistencies.”
Nothing like distorting the numbers. 12 out of 22? If there has been 22 events, that would be at minimum 88 available bonuses. One sub, one KO, and two guys in the fight of the night. Include the fact that many times there are multiple bonuses given out if it warrants. Not disparaging Jackson’s but let’s be honest.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Nov 30, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions
a good man once said
The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself….
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I have managed to waste even more time than normal today.
The Jackson MMA bonuses for the calendar year:
109: Marquardt FOTN in his loss to Sonnen
110:Joe Daddy FOTN in a loss to Soto
Versus 1: Guida SOTN, Jon Jones KOotn (one of three awarded)
111: Carwin KOotn on Mir (somewhere I hear Mir haters cheering)
114:Ryan Jensen: SOTN
115:Condit FOTN (vs Ellenberger)
TUF 11 Finale: Jardine FOTN (vs. Hamill)
116: Akiyama FOTN (vs Leben) Two FOTN’s awarded
Versus 2: Brian Stann FOTN
120: Condit KOotn, Akiyama FOTN (vs. Bisping)
121: Diego FOTN (vs. P. Thiago)
Now, that count is actually 13, but Guida, Stevenson, and Jones had not been with GJ for long if at all at the times of these fights. Also, is Akiyama being included for his “field trips” to Jackson’s? Not sure which ones Greg is counting so we’ll give full credit in what is actually 21 UFC events (per MMAMania’s results calendar).
In addition, there were four different events that had duplicate bonuses given, whether KO, sub, or FOTN. So basically of the 89 bonuses,up to 13 (depending on how you look at ) went to Jackson’s. (15%) All in all, the UFc has put on 222 fights throughout its events (6%). Or of the 444 fighters entering the cage to fight, 3% of the time the guys awarded were Jackson’s.
And so ends the nitpicking on my part…
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Nov 30, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Guida had been there long before that and akiyama would count because Greg put together his camp and gameplan so he is a Greg trained fighter for that fight
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 30, 2010 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
All he's saying is that out of 22 (or 21) events...
12 out of those events have had excitement thanks to his camp. It was misleading with numbers to sort of trick the listener into doing subconscious math that sounded stronger, but his point is still valid; that out of 22 events, 16 have been exciting because of his camp.
by SnoopSteele on Nov 30, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Bless Greg Jackson for sticking it to Dana and his BS.
I hope we see more people calling out Dana White for all his shit talking.
Speaking of statistics, did you know that when Dana was a Personal Trainer, 75% of the members who attended his first Jazzercise class did NOT return for his second class?
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
by judomania on Nov 30, 2010 3:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Judomania, are you really Karo?
Are you truely so angry towards Dana White in so many posts because he sent you packing (twice)? ;)
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Nov 30, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
My first answer to this is
Seriously bro, do you even know who you’re dealing with bro? I mean for real bro.
Secondly, I do hate Dana. Straight up. He’s a huge d-bag who talks all tough and shows no respect to the fighters.
Thirdly, if you attended that Jazzercise class, you’d be angry too, bro.
Thanks.
I was really hoping to get the “Do you even know” response. That makes me laugh every time!! And I got a couple of “bro’s” also. fantastic.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Nov 30, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
It's got nothing to do with finishing.
Jackson takes aggresive fighters and turns them into “safe” fighters. If they happen to be champions, ie:GSP, then they fight not to lose, not to finish. Rashad dragged out his fight against Rampage and almost got TKO’d at the end. GSP hasn’t finished anyone since Serra. Guillard is nowhere near as aggressive as he used to be. Granted he hasn’t lost and he’s a smarter fighter now, but he’s not looking to finish a fighter like he used to. Sure there are exceptions, but Jackson has difinitely taken some of the excitement out of his fighters. Meh. DW can say what he wants and I don’t hink he over stepped his bounds with what he said about marquardt. The truth hurts sometimes. Get over Jackson….and stop neutering your fighters!
^^ This
Why does everyone skip this fight when considering GSP’s ability to finish? Penn quit (his corner did but whatever, they pulled the trigger because they knew their fighter was done well before).
Getting someone to quit on the stool is just as much of a finish imo as getting them to tap from strikes or submission. Perhaps even a bit more impressive since they’re not having directy pain or loss of consciousness influence the choice.
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I agree, sadly
This was a very, very impressive win for GSP. So much so, that I have blacked out that entire fight. Haven’t watched it again either.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Quitting in the corner is easily the worst way to lose a fight
Whilst you can’t defend yourself from harm when finished during the fight or can no longer physically continue when injured or unconcious you are able to carry on fighting when you quit in between rounds, you just don’t have the heart or desire to. It’s one thing to break a man’s body but to break his spirit just adds to the humiliation of losing.
It’s not a great example of GSP’s killer instinct because it wasn’t a flurry of strikes, a flash KO or a submission that ended the fight but it does show his vastly superior skill and the lack of heart that BJ has or the will to continue fighting to the end when losing.
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. . . because BJ was physically and mentally beaten.
Does a BJ Penn with a desire to continue fighting allow his corner to throw in the towel?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Exactly
Cornermen only throw in the towel when their fighter no longer wants to continue. Consdering that BJ’s cornermen are his brother and a bunch of yes men there’s no way that they gave up the fight without BJ’s permission.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
agreed there!
BJ, i am sure, gave the nod for it. Regardless tho he was dead in the water.
“ill fight to the death,” to throwing in the towel is about as good as i have ever seen! looked like a real assclown there!
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cornermen throw in the towel when THEY decide to throw in the towel; not the fighter. That's the entire point of giving your corner that power and responsibility.
Watch Misaki vs Santiago 2
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Dec 1, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
MEEP
If you believe for even a second that BJs corner threw in the towel against his wishes, you are delusional. He put up no fight, no resistance and no argument.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I am a firm believer BJ would have fought the fifth round had his cornermen not stopped it.
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 1, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
So Jackson is wrong, as a coach, for making his fighters smarter?
Isn’t that his job though? Guillard is a striker. He still strikes. He’s just smarter. Rashad is a wrestler. they worked on his stand up, he got better…then he wasn’t good enough and went back to his bread and butter. I hate it. But its smart. Jackson is a smart man workin up smart gameplans. If his fighters don’t evolve their skillset, like Guillard, then he works with what he has. But with Rashad, he had someone who improved something other than what was working and he used that in a smart way…til it wasn’t smart anymore. He doesn’t neuter his fighters. That’s ridiculous.
"You can’t make everyone happy no matter what. All I can do is live my life and try to be successful and please myself. I have my own morals I live by. Bill Cosby once said, ‘I don’t know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.’ I agree with that. I live my life my way. I try to do the right thing, but I know there are going to be people who aren’t happy with what I do or say no matter what, so I’m not going to worry about it." - BJ PENN
^^^THIS
Deuce has forced me to come out of the closet. If I could, I would keep this sig indefinitely, but Deuce says I am only worthy of carrying it for 2 weeks. I will be honored to carry this sig again after BJ destroys Jon Fitch. War BJ. BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
cant say it enough FUCK DANA WHITE
I would love to whip his ass just once just once.
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely ...lay your life before him- Bruce Lee
by mayhemike on Nov 30, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Considering he couldnt do it the first time that actually makes sense
by AintNoSunshine on Dec 1, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well said Greg
Granted the statistics are flawed but Dana’s comments have gotten out of hand. All he seems to do now is criticise his own talent, which is harming the marketability of his roster and damaging morale all because Dana doesn’t know when to shut up and fancies himself as a media darling. You can’t promote fighters and expand a brand yet act as a pundit and critique your own talent, it just makes you look like a liar and a moron plus it pisses off the fighters and without them the UFC is nothing. Jacksons and AKA are both stacked camps with top fighters and coaches, publically criticising them is not going to make them loyal to the UFC brand.
Right now the UFC has monopolised MMA (Bellator and Dream are both almost bankrupt, Elite and Affliction already failed, Pride was bought out years ago and SF have no control over their own product or the resources and roster to compete) but Zuffa can’t get cocky whilst on top if they want to continue building the brand and the sport. Upsetting influential figures like Jackson and bashing your own main eventers like Nate, Kenny and Mir because you found their fights boring is a stupid thing to do. Dana will get away with saying things like that whilst the UFC are doing well but if PPV buys fall or a real competitor joins the market (whether it be another MMA promotion or a PPV rival in boxing or pro wrestling) then he won’t be able to rely on the loyalty of his guys because he wasn’t loyal to them. If you treat people like shit when you’re on top then don’t expect any help when things start to go wrong.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
in my opinion
Dana has a hardcore fan’s MMA knowledge but has a mainstream fan mentality. Which works because that’s his goal…he wants UFC to be mainstream. Not MMA…UFC. And if he can help MMA along the way, great. I think he genuinely loves the sport. I think he genuinely loves the sport because he genuinely loves combat sports and this is all combat sports rolled into one. He’s a typical Bostonite. He wants that rush. Adrenaline pumping. Loud fucking ogres in the background grunting and barking. Those are his people. And that’s who he caters to. I don’t fault him for that. But as i said before, the spotlight isn’t on who you are, its on who you should be. Dana is the President of the UFC and he SHOULD act Presidential. I like the fact that Dana is one of the guys…but, fuck…I love this sport too…not because its a combat sport…but because of the blood, sweat and tears of gentlmen willing to be warriors for honor and glory.
"You can’t make everyone happy no matter what. All I can do is live my life and try to be successful and please myself. I have my own morals I live by. Bill Cosby once said, ‘I don’t know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.’ I agree with that. I live my life my way. I try to do the right thing, but I know there are going to be people who aren’t happy with what I do or say no matter what, so I’m not going to worry about it." - BJ PENN
Sorry, Dana if anything does not have a mainstream mentality.
He does not realize this yet, but he is the reason the UFC is not yet accepted by main stream sports. Other Commisioners of over sports entities are professional and speak like civilized people. Also, if they have a problem with players, they deal with it backstage in a professional manner. Dana likes to posture and act tough like he doesn’t need anything from anyone, yet he still begs for mainstream acceptance.
I don’t disagree with everything you say, but I do think Dana is a much bigger fan of the green then he ever will be of the sport or the fighters. Guys who are real fans of their sports are guys like Mark Cuban, who attend their team games and scream and shout during the game to urge their team on. They speak highly of their team, no matter what the outcome. Dana’s only loyalty is to the benjamins.
dana has the gossip, reality tv show mentality.
He is a celebrity himself and that is what he wants to be. Who gives a damn fuck about if he likes the sport or not, he’s there to do a job and be professional nothing else. Now he’s such a manipulative homo that he realizes media is his best friend, he uses all the publicity to his advantage against the sport and against the fighters so he can run shit his way without ppl being able to do anything about it and make his money.
het mode, het cloth från topp till tåu.
Really?
You think he “uses all the publicity to his advantage against the sport and against the fighters”.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I think he sacrifices the legitimacy of the sport by trying to swear and be all badass
to try and prove he’s a big boss man.
And he is pretty anti-fighters.
For someone who employs hundreds of them, and has helped make many of them stinking rich, this seems laughable to me.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
The same could be said about Don King
That doesn’t mean he loves his fighters either.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
no no, the fighters helped dana get stinking rich not the other way around.
het mode, het cloth från topp till tåu.
I don't think he "tries" to swear and "be all badass". I think that's who he is
He’s a guy who likes to cuss. fuck it. I’ve met dudes from Boston and a lot of them are that way. Even the “professional” ones who after work like to go get a beer or toke up. I’ve met them and every other word is “fuck” or “homo”. That’s who Dana is. He hasn’t let that escape him. In a way…good for him. when it comes to growing mma….it has its ceiling.
"You can’t make everyone happy no matter what. All I can do is live my life and try to be successful and please myself. I have my own morals I live by. Bill Cosby once said, ‘I don’t know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.’ I agree with that. I live my life my way. I try to do the right thing, but I know there are going to be people who aren’t happy with what I do or say no matter what, so I’m not going to worry about it." - BJ PENN
when I said mainstream, I meant the mainstream fan
the “just bleed” type of fan. the type of fans that want the fight stood up as soon as it hits the ground. the type of fan that’s a boxing fan but prefers mma its “anything goes, no rules”. that fan.
"You can’t make everyone happy no matter what. All I can do is live my life and try to be successful and please myself. I have my own morals I live by. Bill Cosby once said, ‘I don’t know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.’ I agree with that. I live my life my way. I try to do the right thing, but I know there are going to be people who aren’t happy with what I do or say no matter what, so I’m not going to worry about it." - BJ PENN
I don't like that fan
That is the guy that roots for the wreck in Nascar. Roots for helmet to helmet hits and compound fractures in football.
How is that I grew up a boxing fan, yet I appreciate MMA for everything that it has to offer? Yet, most other boxing fans I talk to are the guy you describe above?
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
that's what I'm saying though Deuce...
Mentally, he’s that guy but he has the knowledge that hardcore Vale tudo/Pride fans have. He’s a president and should act like it and put the fan inside of himself to rest for a bit.
"You can’t make everyone happy no matter what. All I can do is live my life and try to be successful and please myself. I have my own morals I live by. Bill Cosby once said, ‘I don’t know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.’ I agree with that. I live my life my way. I try to do the right thing, but I know there are going to be people who aren’t happy with what I do or say no matter what, so I’m not going to worry about it." - BJ PENN
And I'm with you Deuce
I’m STILL a boxing fan. I always told people, when I watch boxing, dude, I can almost see the brush strokes. But there will always be the people who just watched the PPV’s to see Tyson or Jones Jr. knock heads off and never learned about the Durans and the Arguello’s or the intricacies of what Floyd does now. There’s always knucklehead’s, infact the out number the intellects, and for that reason, most of everything is catered to them. But the ironic thing is, those knuckleheads have short attention spans and they come and go from everything.
"You can’t make everyone happy no matter what. All I can do is live my life and try to be successful and please myself. I have my own morals I live by. Bill Cosby once said, ‘I don’t know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.’ I agree with that. I live my life my way. I try to do the right thing, but I know there are going to be people who aren’t happy with what I do or say no matter what, so I’m not going to worry about it." - BJ PENN
true
And thinking of Dana that way, sadly, makes sense. I don’t want to hate the guy. He has brought me more fights than anyone else, but in reality, he just administered the fights, the fighters brought them.
I still enjoy boxing, but I won’t pay for a PPV anymore. I catch the HBO, Showtime and ESPN fights for free and still think the old Ali classics on the Classic are fantastic. They just don’t get old to me. Unfortunately, the Bob Arums of the world have alienated me from boxing almost completely. I would just call myself a casual fan these days.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
A man that talks as much as Dana will say the wrong things, deal with it people.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Lol at "deal with it"
And Dana needs to learn to talk less if he doesn’t want to piss off the fighters, coaches and managers. It’s one thing to annoy hardcore fans like myself by saying something stupid but when you’re criticising your talent then you’re setting yourself up for a major fall. When you’re the President of a company the last thing you should be doing is publically criticising the people who are making you money and the more Dana speaks like this the more likely it is that the talent will tire of him and his promotion and look to fight elsewhere or just retire when they’ve made their money.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Dana has been around from the start and is not going anywhere.
Not every fighter is happy with Coker that fights in SF as not every fighter is happy with Bellator that fights in Bellator like any other business. Like Dana or not he brings the majority of the best MMA action. Disputes will happen here and there and I’m sure Jackson and Dana will get over this as well as they did the grease gate. Jackson was wrong there now Dana is wrong here. Dana will be around tell he is old and can’t do it anymore and is pointless for you even to bring up he should leave because that will happen son.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Dana will not be around forever I guarantee it
People are tiring of his crap. And we don’t have to deal with it. He has to deal with the fans. He’s a ginormous douche nozzle who is useless.
The fighters make him rich not the other way around. Nothing personal Puck, I just hate that mofo with every fiber of my being. I’m still sad that Paul Daley took a swipe at Kos. For the treatment he got afterward, he shoulda saved that sucker punch for DW himself.
by judomania on Nov 30, 2010 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Daley deserved to get fired so I won't complain about that
But if you treat your employees like shit then they won’t want to work with you. Talking shit about everyone and everything like Dana does as well as being disloyal and two faced is not the way for a businessman to behave, acting like that will burn bridges and he’s one stupid rant away from top guys no longer wanting to compete in the UFC. The UFC may be a very successful brand but they’re only successful because they have fighters that the public want to see, without those guys the UFC has nothing. Dana’s not bigger than the UFC or MMA and if he continues to upset the talent then chances are he’ll be the one to leave.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
This is a business were 1000's of other people are dreaming of being the UFC employees
Dana wants what the fans want and he lets the fighters know when the fans aren’t pleased. Is he always right? No and most of Dana’s employees understand Dana speaks his mind and actually respect him for it many of the times. This might not be one but Dana has done so much good for MMA it will take doing something like this 50 times in a row before there is talk about him getting punted. Hell he’s part owner and majority owner stated he lets Dana do what he does because Dana’s DNA is MMA. Just because you don’t like him as a person doesn mean you have to be ignorant about one little comment.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
close enough
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Dec 1, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Dana needs to stop believing the hype
Didn’t he piss all over Fitches camp once during the video game nonsense? Now he pisses on another one.
Dana, please, just shut the fuck up. Or go back to the days before you were a camera loving attention whore.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
this just makes NATE look bad :/
if he knew he was down 2 rounds, why didnt he swing for the fences? i dont get that logic of fighters? guess they just pray for a hometown decision ???
i rather TRY to knock someone out and GET knocked out than NOT try at all?
i mean if ur gunna lose, might as well lose with PRIDE! lol
I hope Nate reads this comment
God is too big for just one religion...
yeah Marquardt looks bad! What will Spiteful Dana do next?
Dana already took it out on Harris. Wonder how spiteful Dana will be about this new information!
Dana White is only looking for the draw, people want to see blood, knockouts,submissions
Money Is ALL Dana White is looking for, and as a businessman he knows that blood,knockouts,submissions are going to bring more attention then technical fights. Doesn’t mean Greg Jackson isn’t One of The Best Trainers Around, Dana just wants two warriors with axes and swords fighting to near death so he can keep the cash register ringing. Fuck Dana, without a little boring, exciting never looks as good. Some Fights and moments even in other sports such as boxing are dull, thats just how it goes. You’ll never achieve total excitement all the time. Nate tried to win without getting caught in something..didn’t work fuck it, move on. Anyone that says he should have went all out , would never have done it theirselves, because when you get sloppy You get knocked the fuck out.
Yea, I can go along with all of that. Especially the "fuck Dana" part.
Man I love this sport and everytime Dana opens his mouth lately I get worried about the future of MMA. I use to like the way he ran things. Money gets to almost everyone in the end. He has most all of the power in MMA right now and he is acting like he knows it. I just hope he doesn’t really hurt the sport just to make some short term profits.
I know that the UFC can offer more than SF or Bellator, but are they willing to offer more than them?
Dana White would prefer to hype his fighters up and put down those that would leave than pay. So it would be important that if these fighters did leave that they leave with a win. From what I gather from reading here and elsewhere, M-1 really stifles any possiblity of Bellator and SF combining resources and having co-promotions which is a shame.
NICE!!
Ill keep track myself.
For 123 i would have went 4/9.
I stand at 80 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Nov 30, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
AWESOME
although the first attempt was rather sloppy, i was thinking of trying it. Break my foot in the process.
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely ...lay your life before him- Bruce Lee
Dana's comments are a little unfair
because a lot of Jackson’s guys fight their asses off……Cerrone, Leonard Garcia, Condit, Diego…..etc. But unfortunately a few of his guys with big names….Rashad, GSP (I know uses 2 diff camps or more), Guillard and Nate’s last fight were obviously pretty scripted and very safe in the minds of most fans. Dana can say some of Jackson’s guys play it too safe but can’t make the blanket statement and be accurate that ALL Jackson’s guys play it safe.
Wow....then again am I surprised @Dana...not really
We come to expect this stuff from him don’t we. The only person I’m not feeling from Jackson’s camp is Rash Evans, and even then only in the Rampage fight because he was terrified of being knocked out. Fair enough I suppose.
I think A lot of the heat comes from a moment in a GSP fight… I think against Hardy, when GSP was on top position, Greg could be heard saying… “Ok, now just stay there, don’t try and pass guard George” and to GSP’s credit he ignored Greg and went for the pass and finish
People whinge at GSP for not finishing fight’s, but at the end of the day he ONLY fights the best, not easy guys to finish!! IMO GSP at least tries which is more than can be said for FITCH!!! (Sorry can’t miss an opportunity to rip on Fitch)
This Statistic is Flawed!
This statistic is flawed. The correct way of saying it should have been like this:
UFC has organized 22*10=220 (assuming 10 fights per night) fights this year.
I had, say, 50 times somebody fighting from my gym.
They collected 12 of the 66 (=22*3) bonuses (assuming ufc gives 3 bonuses per night).
On top of these, he should have included fighters that have fought multiple times. Say, I had 30 different fighters, fighting 50 times for me.
Plus, a big bias could come from whether one fighter collected more than one bonus. Let’s say, there are 2 fighters who have collected 3 bonuses each and 2 fighters who have collected 2 bonuses each.
Then, Jackson ends up having 30 fighters fighting from his gym and only 4 of them could collect bonuses, resulting in 26 fighters without a bonus.
In this case, Jackson still could be a boring coach, but there could be a confounding variable simultaneously causing those 4 fighters to win bonuses.
I don’t know how many of the mma fans are statisticians, but I thought I should have brought this up.
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