UFC Quick Quote: Is Dana White the Don King of MMA?
by Jesse Holland on Nov 3, 2010 10:40 AM EDT
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And does that make Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker the Bob Arum?
"Dana is kind of like the Don King. He's out there and he's out promoting his brand as well as the company brand and the fighter brand. I'm more of a very direct business man. The guy I really liked wasn't Don King. To me, it's okay being the Bob Arum. In a lot of Bob's early fights, you didn't even know who promoted the fights. The fights were amazing, they were great, and they were focused on the athlete. That's been my philosophy too. The stars of the show are in the cage ... Dana is Dana. He does a great job at doing what he does. It's okay to be the Bob Arum and put on these great fights, to put on these mega events. I think we've accomplished so much in these last 18 months. A lot of fans have to remember - Strikeforce on a national scale has been around since April 10, 2009. And the fights that we put on are right up there with any other league. We've done some big arena shows, we've done some million dollar gates. Outside of the UFC, I don't think anyone is doing that."
Coker dishes on his relationship with UFC President Dana White in a recent interview with Jonathan Snowden, and it's pretty clear that the King of San Jose prefers to keep himself behind the curtain during normal business hours. But has that also kept Strikeforce behind the curtain as well? Let's hear your take on Coker's analysis of White's role and how the two promotions stack up from a business perspective.
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HA HA...
Its funny that I got an Adobe (Photoshop) ad on this page.
by JimmieGreens on Nov 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana has done amazing things for MMA
but he has also become the Paris Hilton of MMA. He has never met a camera he didn’t like.
One has only to watch the first season of TUF, and the current ones, to see just what an attention whore he has become.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Dana actually earned his money and didn’t have to show everyone his crotch to get it, thank the Lord Jesus.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Good point
Ok, he’s the Snooki of MMA?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Snooki is also only famous for her crotch shots.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
I'd say the Vince McMahon
Both are ruthless businessmen who both love to be in front of the camera and at times behave as if they are bigger stars than their talent. They’ve both done great things that have built their businesses and effectively monopolised their industries (TNA and SF are both distant seconds to WWE and UFC while the once great Japanese pro wrestling and MMA scenes are struggling badly) but have also made some outlandish statements and done a lot of harm to their own brands with idiotic comments and decisions. They’re both great men but they’re also arseholes who love themselves way too much to ever change for the better.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Josh Koscheck hasn't aged well in those pics above :(
Must be the fear of GSP…
kick his ass coker!!!
Woooooo!
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by daniel worby on Nov 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here is some advice for you Coker...
STFU!!! when you have Walker, Lashley on your roster you really can’t be critical of others.
Facebook is for gays!
Hi Dana!
How’s James Toney doing?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Are you comparing a boxing champion to Lashley and Walker?
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Lol yea it was a freak show but at least James Toney had actually done something significant in combat sports
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever. Herschel Walker would kick Toney’s ass and you know it. He had a martial arts background and showed a hell of a lot more in cage than Toney, who was obviously just looking for a paycheck. And Lashley might acually KILL Toney.
Yea like he killed Chad Griggs...
The guy who fights part time and is a fire fighter/paramedic full time. And I’m not even gonna comment on Herschel who beat a puffed up MW in a boring 3 rd decision, that being his one and only fight in MMA or any combat sport period.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think frosnt1 is letting his jealousy of Dana cloud his judgement.
There’s no way anyone could think Toney is worse than Lashley and Walker.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Whether or not they could beat Toney in an MMA fight is irrelevant
I’d pick Lashley over Toney in an MMA bout, but I don’t think I’d pick Herschel. My only point is if you think those two guys are any more legitimate than James Toney think again. It’s the same thing with SF going for the cash grab.
James Toney and Herschel have both only had one MMA fight, the only difference is Herschel fought an unkown MW in his first bout and James Toney fought a legend.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
the point is
that dana would kick scott coker’s ass if they ever fought and that’s all that really matters here
I'd pay 0 to watch 2 old businessmen fight instead of actual talent myself
To each his own.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Herschel fought an unkown MW in his first bout and James Toney fought a legend
That is a fact and something many don’t give Toney credit for. But I’m pretty sure the same result would happen to Walker if he faced Randy.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Fact: Hershel would own Toney in MMA!
You guys can’t say shit about Strikforce’s roster when the UFC had FUCKING Kimbo Slice!!!!!! It’s all about money for both orgs, if any of you think otherwise than get a clue.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Kimbo has more MMA experience than Walker MBOW
Now that you mention it Kimbo vs Walker would be awsome, someone email Coker my money would be on Kimbo.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
You have facts and opinions fucked up, bow.
Herschel would NOT beat anyone his size in mma. FACT.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
You are both smoking crack pipe rocks. Kimbo's street fighting does not equal MMA experience. Kimbo v. Walker? That's a wash, IMO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Toney vs. Walker?
Who would you take in that one?
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Depends. How fat is Toney? A slim Toney > a newb Walker. A newb Walker > a fat Toney. TD > Striking.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
TD that doesn't lead to anything isn't going to beat Toney.
And Toney could probably knock Walker out from his back.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
A fat Toney will not prevent a TD. This has been proven. So...my $$$ would be on Walker.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Proven? From a legend of MMA
Couture would do the same to Walker as he did toney.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
No shit, sherlock. We are talking Walker vs. Toney.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Dr. Watson
but the point is just cause Couture made it look easy doesn’t mean Walker could.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
If Toney is FAT - then yes it is EASY.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy if you know what your doing maybe
Randy used a amatuer wrestling move on toney, and the same move would probably work on Walker. A fat toney still doesn’t prove Walker has the ability to take Toney down. But this is getting retarded as we will never find out anyway. Regardless you don’t like the freaksow fights and I do, who should Dana please…I think you guys are the majority on this one as there is very few freakshows in the UFC.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Kimbo, Toney, Herschel, Batista and Lashley are all garbage
Shame on Dana and Coker for presenting them as legitimate fighters on major cards just for the sake of ratings. Both of them are as bad as each other and deserve an equal amount of mocking for choosing money over integrity.
As for who’d win, who cares? They’re all shite anyway and not worth discussing.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Question:
Did you watch any of those fights?
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah - those freakshow SF fights were garbage, too. Its a matter of what garbage fighter you think would win the Garbage Bowl - I got old man Walker over fat, old Toney. That' all.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You saw him fight. You still think he could beat a HW?
He looked terrible against a rusty, out of shape MW. I wouldn’t pick him over anyone his size or bigger.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Agree with David as always.
I guess I’m a David fanboy?
:)
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Damn right you're a David fanboy haha
And I’m a Keller and ANS fanboy. Nothing wrong with blindly supporting greatness ;).
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Smoking crack, street fighting is more MMA experience than Karate lessons
Can walker take a punch? Kimbo would most likely destroy Walkers last oppoent but thats not saying much. I think both are great for MMA regardless but those critisizing the UFC for Kimbo but not SF for Walker is BS.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Both orgs are jokes for taking each one. Let me ask you this : have you ever been in street fights, bro? Cuz street fighting is VERY different and FAR from the sport of MMA.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It is combat but Kimbo's been in MMA four or five fights before the UFC and thats more experience than Walker
With you saying both are a joke I respect that, I personally liek a freaksow fight here and there. One of the many things that made Pride so great was the occasional freak show fight?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
That's one of the many reasons I was always a UFC fan.
Pride and their questionable matchmaking, kicks to grounded opponents, ropes instead of a cage, quiet audiences….
I don’t miss them at all to be honest.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
I didn't like the ropes
But I liked Pride, obviously the knees and kicks to grounded opponets would never fly here but what was fucked up is the didn’t allow elbows??
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
I think the elbows was because of cuts?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Either way there should be elbows
I hate the way SF doesn’t allow them either.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Me either
Bellator too on some fights.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Bellator and Pride both had a lot of tournaments
Elbows often cause cuts so if a guy got cut in his fight then he’d get a medical suspension until it healed, so he’d have to leave the tournament and that would cost those promotions money and lead to an unworthy guy winning. Personally I think that it makes sense to ban elbows for tournament fights but if we’re going to have a sport with a single ruleset then you can’t ban elbows in some promotions and allow them in others, it’d be like banning the offside rule in La Liga but allowing it in the other leagues.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Was there not any elbows in the King Mo vs. Gegard fight?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
I think your right, but still sounds silly.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
nothing of anything u say here is a fact.
fact… watch milan – real madrid tonight and see some real sport.
Football (soccer) is for gays.
Almost as bad as basketball with all the diving and acting.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
The Europeans are to blame for that aspect of basketball nowadays. They brought that shit over from soccer and infected basketball.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I might have to agree.
I don’t remember the players back in the 80’s being this soft. I watched a game a couple weeks ago(alright I turned it off after a quarter) and it made me sick. People were going up for layups and not even trying to make the basket. They just jump near someone and throw the ball away and yell.
You wouldn’t catch MJ doing that shit back in his day. Bill Lambeer would have never stood for this shit.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
reggie miller
loved to draw the foul, he’s about the only old school player i can think of that would rather draw contact and miss than just go for making the shot
nothing pisses me off more
than watching shane battier “play defense” by flopping for a charge and getting the call.
We're horrendous at basketball so don't blame us for diving
We have one British player in the NBA (I don’t know his name) and a bunch of second rate club teams filled with rejects who nobody watches. It’s a shame as I actually like basketball and the Newcastle team is good but nobody else cares so it’s a hollow success. Rugby and football will always be my team sports though.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Not England
There is a few other countries in Europe though.
:)
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Lol
I’m just making sure that it’s mainland Europe getting bashed. The closest most English people have gotten to watching basketball is Space Jam.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
I think it's funny that Brock's legitimate for his amateur credentials, but Lashley gets shit on like he was never an amateur wrestler.
Before any idiots jump down my throat, I think Brock murders Lashley, I’m simply talking about the legitimacy of their jump into MMA.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Lashley didn't win anything and he was a MW wrestler or something.
All of his size and strength is due to steroids. Also, if you’ve seen them both fight you know they are nothing alike.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
They both come from an amateur wrestling background. What weight they wrestled at is irrelevant. Lashley didn't have the same credentials, as he wasn't as good of a wrestler, but he was a wrestler(like many other MMA fighters) nonetheless.
I don’t think that’s something that should be so easily dismissed. Yes, Lashley sucks, but I’m not talking about how good he is. I’m just saying that he had a legit amateur background.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Lashley and Brock both wrestled and thats the only thing they have in common
Once in the octagon one proved he could face anyone and the other is still trying to climb out of the bottom tier fighters.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
I agree. But you can't say that Brock deserved his chance anymore than Lashley. Lashley was an amateur wrestler too. People act like he was ONLY a professional wrestler.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
He wasn't a successful amateur wrestler.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Yes he was. He wasn't at the same level as Brock, but he was a very successful wrestler.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
What did he win?
I seriously don’t remember his background, but I thought he was a JUCO dude?
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Thanks, Wikipedia...
Lashley attended Missouri Valley College, where he won three national amateur wrestling championships between 1996 and 1998 and placed fourth in 1995. In 1997 and 1998, he was the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) National Wrestling Champion.3 Lashley later joined the United States Army, where he continued to wrestle.24 He was training for the Olympics in 2003, when he suffered a knee injury while doing business at a bank where a robbery broke out.56 The injury ended his Olympic plans, and Lashley went into pro wrestling soon after.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
That all amounts to squat.
He was never a successful wrestler. Like I said.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
That's pathetic, jay. You don't have to win D-1 titles to be an elite wrestler.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Ummmm ya. Yeah you do.
Or else everyone that wrestles is elite.
There’s a reason he didn’t wrestle D-1….Because he was NEVER ELITE.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Meant to say.
Or else everyone that wrestles is considered elite.
ELite means top of the food chain. Lashley was never top of the food chain. He was never even in the chain.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Dude I train MMA with just recently won NAIA national championship, and he schooled D-1 wrestlers quite a bit.
I don’t care what you think, if you’re winning national championships at the collegiate level, you’re legit.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
I agree Diceman. You're LEGIT.
I wasn’t arguing that Lashley isn’t legit. He was just never ELITE.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
People that are training and have a legit shot at the Olympics are elite.
Aren’t you one of the guys that said Carwin wouldn’t be able to stop any of Brock’s TD’s because “He was just a D-2 champ”? And no, you don’t have to win a D-1 title to be considered elite. Maybe in some narrow definition of the word that you have created.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Elite means top of the world.
Lashley was never in the running to be top of anything.
A lot of people try out for the olympics, Dice. That doesn’t mean shit.
GSP was invited to try out for the olympics with zero experience.
Just because LAshley wanted to wrestle in the olympics doesn’t mean he was close to making the team.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Ok. I'll just agree to disagree. I happen to think that winning multiple national titles = elite.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
So winning multiple NCAA division 4 champs are elite?
He won a championship in a weak division/. He’s the best of the worst. That does not mean ELITE. Elite is the top of the world .
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
It's a legitimate athletic background
My only beef with Lashley is that he’s not a full time fighter, he’s a part time guy. Difference between him and Brock is Brock puts in a full time fighters effort into MMA. Lashley does MMA on the side. If he took the sport more seriously and devoted more time to it I think he’s got some potential.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it matters what he does at this point.
He doesn’t even like getting hit by that can he fought. Imagine he fought someone with some talent.
He’s going nowhere and nothing he does will change that now.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
I think it does make a difference.
Matt Hughes wouldn’t have been as successful as a HW fighter. Brocks wrestling is leagues above Lashley. Just because they both wrestled doesn’t make them equals.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Nor am I saying it makes them equals. The reason for the comparison is that they both came from pro wrestling more recently. My point is that, despite this, Lashley was a serious amateur competitor, just like Brock.
Sure, he sucks in MMA, but he has just as much right to try as Brock did.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
The WWE is why so many hate Brock as most didn't realize brocks real grappling skills and athletic ability
lashley was not on the level of Bock first off and no wear near the athlete brock is either so comparing them makes some of pissy as he is only compared to Lashley because of the WWE?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
And they were both amateur wrestlers prior.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Yeah I know but to many ignorant fuckers have compared them based on there WWE
There are many wrestlers in MMA now not all are great at transitioning, Brock got one chance in the UFC and left his mark as Toney did but was soon after. I think Lashley has proved he doesn’t belong with the best so why compare them? Lashley and Toney are more comparable MMA wise?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
I'm comparing them for obvious reasons-they were both amateur wrestlers who went into pro wrestling and then MMA. Isn't that obvious?
I’ve said at least twice that Lashley isn’t the fighter that Brock is. The comparison was made because like Brock, Lashley had a legit combat sports background, and takes crap for coming from pro wrestling. The parallels are there whether you want to admit it or not.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
just making sure Dice :)
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
HAHAHA
You think Walker would beat him? Why? Did you see his last fight?
And if Toney touched Lashley, Lashley would quit. He quit against that bum he just fought (I don’t even recall that cans name).
Just because Toney folded against Randy doesn’t mean shit. Randy would stop Lashley and Walker in less than a minute. 2 on 1 fight.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Stop
Anyone who has the ability to grab a leg would beat Toney in MMA…
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I disagree.
If you are trying to put Walker on the same level as Randy in any way shape or form, you’re wrong.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
I wasn't
but don’t hurt yourself stretching for that one.
“Anyone who has the ability to grab a leg would beat Toney in MMA…”
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Randy is the only one to fight Toney in a mma fight.
You’re saying that anyone can do what Randy did. I disagree. Walker looked slow and unsure of himself. Toney only has to connect once on Walker and he never fights again.
Walker over Toney is not a guarantee just because Randy made Toney look bad.
I think Randy would beat Walker faster than he beat Toney.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Toney made himself look bad. FAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He's always fat.
Didn’t stop him from winning titles in boxing. I guess Roy should retire too since he’s a fatty?
Size means nothing.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
How many fat, old past his prime boxers with ZERO MMA experience are successful? Are you comparing BC to Toney? At least BC has some decent GG.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well how many boxers with zero MMA experience are successful period?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
I agree
But you didn’t add all these stipulations into your first post.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
I have to add the obvious when I was discussing Toney? You could not deduce that he is fat, old and with zero MMA experience?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
"Toney made himself look bad, FAT!"
From that?
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
You need glasses? When you train for a combat sport - aren't you supposed to be in shape? What am I missing?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
not if your preparing for one round.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Wow. Hahahahaha! How fucking ridiculous.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You think he was training for more than one round?
He knew he was either gonna knock Randy out or he was going to get choked out.
You don’t have to be in good shape for either of those outcomes.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Everybody knew this hahaha except OJR I guess
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Your UFC nuthuggery is beyond compare, Puck. It really is. That's all I got.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I know thats all you got
I like the UFC so that makes me a nuthugger, don’t you like the UFC too OJR? I guessthat makes you a nuthugger too? Are we all noty nuthuggers here then??
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Being in good shape would help you not get choked out. I don't care what a fighters strategy is, the one part of the fight game that you can make equal is cardio.
If a guy is too damn lazy to get his ass on the treadmill, it means he doesn’t give a damn about anything but a paycheck. Being in shape would also aid in knocking someone out. You guys are being ridiculous.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Thank you.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Puck is acting like he knew all along Toney wouldn't be in shape. That's FALSE. Puck, you tried to sell this fight by saying that Toney was getting in shape, he was a former boxing champ, and he would bring the fight.
Toney came in matching his worst fighting weight ever, clearly looking to collect a check. It was a freakshow, nothing more, nothing less. Is SF any better for having Walker fight? No. HOWEVER, at least Walker works his ass off, is respectful of the sport, has had a passion for it, and trains at one of the best gyms in the world. He didn’t make a complete mockery of it. Does that make him by default a better fighter? No, but it makes the whole thing easier to swallow. At least I get water with this pill. Toney I fucking choked on 5 times trying to get that pill down.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
So that's also your assesment on Roy Nelson then?
How about Fedor, he’s always been a little chubby, he just too lazy to get cut up and put on a little muscle? I don’t think everyone needs to look like Adonis to be successful.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
BC is average at best. If he loses weight he will have better cardio and be more effective. Is that really unreasonable, OD?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, maybe the reason he's so durable and able to absorb so much dmg is cause of his chub
Maybe his chub is the reason he can stay in top control, lean on guys and maintain position. I don’t know what kind of fighter we’re talkin about if Roy Nelson drops 50 lbs… Maybe his fatness is his secret strength
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you're right about Nelson, but Toney has proved in the past that he sucks as a fat, out of shape fighter. And that was in his own sport.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
BC used to be lighter and more effective as an MMA'ist. I don't buy that line of thinking for BC. Its a cop out, plain and simple.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's to say he does well at 205?
Maybe the speed of these other fighters would be too much for him. It’s not a cop out, it’s a true statement, who knows what kind of fighter this guy is if he’s lighter? The lighter you go in weight the more technical the fighters get, maybe he’s done as well as he has because of the quality of competition he’s been up against in the HW division.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not speculation. Its fact. He was better when he was lighter. Check out his stuff when he was in the IFL. Either way he is mid-tier today in 2010 - either lighter or heavier. His striking is not good enough to beat the elite at HW.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He was also fighting lesser competition as well
It’s easy to look better when you’re fighting guys of a lower caliber.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That actually makes my point stronger as my classification of him as a gatekeeper today. And JDS proved it. Maybe he will improve? I doubt it, though. BC seems stuck in his ways.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't make your point stronger, your point is that BC is a better fighter if he drops weight and puts on lean muscle mass
And my point is maybe the only reason he’s gotten as far as he has is because he’s learned to use his extra weight to his advantage.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. I made 2 points. He is a gatekeeper in 2010 and he could be better if he was lighter.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont' see how you made the point that he's better when he's lighter when that's an unkown
The guys been fighting with extra weight on him his entire carreer, he’s never been what most people would call an athlete. I don’t see how you made a point about him being better when he’s lighter when there’s no example to point to that suggests that to be the case. AND I never was arguing the point about him being a gatekeeper or not, I could care less, my point is he’s a fat guy that’s made it farther than plenty of in shape buff athletes ever will in their respective carreers.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
2010 BC is fatter than IFL BC. He looked better vs. "inferior" comp when he was lighter. 2010 fatter BC looks shaky vs. elite HW. Is it a coincidence? I don't think so, IMO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No it's not a coincidence, IFL BC looks the same against Elite Comp too
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Meaning there's no difference between IFL BC (who's fat) and 2010 BC (who's also fat)
except 5-10 lbs??
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I could look it up, OD. I just go by the eyeball test. If you are right - I think 10lbs is alot. 5lbs I agree with you is not alot. You think 10lbs is not a big difference?
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-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if you can lose 50+ lbs of fat, no I don't
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with OD here.
I don’t see the difference between being 60 pounds over weight or 70 pounds over weight.
He’s a fat bastard, no matter how you slice it.
Good to see you today OD.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Well, let me tell you that I disagree with you. 10 lbs in any type of combat sports is significant - especially when its 10lbs. No matter if you are chubs or an athlete. That's 10 less lbs of force dragging on your body. You lost me.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If a guy is already lean and cuts 10 lbs to make weight then I can see it making a difference
But when a guy has 50 lbs of fat on him and he loses 10 lbs I don’t see the difference. And this is coming from someone who’s lost over 100 lbs before.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you make gate keeper sound like a bad thing
But yes if you can beat Roy you proved you should be able to face the best and be able to compete.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
You're comparing apples and oranges. Fedor and BC have ALWAYS looked like that. Some guys just have bad genetics, and they make them work.
Toney proved that he did his best in the 180-190 range. The only time he weighed in at 237 in a boxing match, he had what is widely regarded as his worst fight. He looked like shit. If a fighter comes to a fight knowing that they don’t fight well being fat, then they should make damn sure they’re in shape. And when have you EVER seen Fedor gas?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Thats not the point Dice
just because your in good shape doesn’t mean you can beat somebody that is not, especially an elite boxer??
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Totally missed the point.
Thanks for trying though. :)
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
No, I got the point. My point is that he increases his odds of getting the KO, or not getting choked if he's in optimal fighting shape. What am I missing?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Increased odds for the fighter in better shape? I agree
But it doesn’t prove who will win either way?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Of course not. It is certainly one of the determining factors though in most fights.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
You'll have to ask Roy
Toney and Timmy.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
And we all know how good those 3 have looked against legit competition, huh?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy has looked phenomenal.
He’s 2 wins away from fighting for the most important belt in mma.
Not bad for a guy in his shape.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Go watch Roy vs. JDS and get back to me.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He did better than I expected. He even rocked him a couple times.
If Nelson beats Brock and one more guy he will be fighting for the belt. That is undeniable.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Nelson's better than you think OJR
But Toney is now a joke. He was once a great boxer but he has no place in any combat sports anymore. I’m just amazed that people are arguing about who’s the best out of the freakshows, at the end of the day they’re all freakshows. You can’t defend the supposed best 2 MMA promotions hiring any of them.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Agreed. But I think BC is a gatekeeper. He appears on TUF and all of a sudden people are classifying him as a top 10 fighter. I doubt that very much.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If AA was ever a top 2 fighter (like all Fedor fans think)
Then Roy is definitely in the top 10.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Not today. This is 2010. And I am objective about Fedor.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he domianted on TUF and put a good fight up against JDS.
The HW’s period is the thinnest division and always will be though. but BC is on the same level as fighters like bigfoot, Rogers and AA?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Yes - I think he is gatekeeper like Rogers, AA or Bigfoot.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He fought Fedor right around the time he fought Roy.
AA was ranked 2 when he fought Fedor. Roy beat his ass.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Um...BC lost to AA by KO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If you saw the fight you would know that BC should have won.
I mean, Hamill won against Bones…
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
What year was that fight?
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-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Which one?
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
BC vs. AA. 2005? 2006?
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-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
2006 the last time they fought
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Just go to youtube and type Roy Nelson vs AA
It’s on there
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Well AA was saved by the ref as Roy had AA in a very bad position and the ref stood them up, it was garbage and Roy was robbed.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Go watch the fight on youtube and tell me AA wasn't saved.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Alright, I have seen this myth repeated over and over, and I have to comment. The standup was in the first round, and AA KO'd him in the 2nd. YES, the standup was poor, but to blame that for BC losing the fight is complete garbage.
BC had AA in that same position earlier in the round, and did NO damage. AA even got out of that position once. To say that BC was definitely going to win that fight is not only a HUGE assumption, it’s out and out false. That’s not even mentioning that it happened with half of the 1st round left, and they went back and forth on the feet for over half the fight(which is what was left after the standup). Bullshit standup no doubt, but there’s no way you can say that lost BC the fight. Bad calls happen in every sport. That’s like saying a bad pass interference call in the 2nd quarter of a tied football game caused one of the teams to lose. And I’ll reiterate again, AA had just escaped from the same position earlier that round after taking no damage. How can you say he was “saved”?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
The first time Roy did not have the same position when AA got out nor the second time
But the third time Roy had a great side mount and thats were Roy is the best. Yes there is no guarantee that Roy could of finished or AA wouldn’t of got up but Roy got screwed and the ref put the fight back in AA’s advantage. Who knows what would of happen but Roy was working and it was a horrible stand and fight changer as Roy’s best chance agaisnt AA was on the ground and AA’s best chance was standing.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
He got out of side mount just a minute earlier, it was the same position. I agree it was a HORRIBLE standup, but you simply can't blame that for him losing the fight. It's not right.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
When you look at there match up at the time
BC clearly had the edge on the ground and was winning the fight, were AA had the advanatge standing when the ref stops BC from were he had the advantage on the ground and was in full control doing damage. When on the ground early BC was goinf for a sub that allowed AA to escape this was not the case the last time. Regardless your right it doesn’t prove BC could of won but it swung the momentum to AA’s side and thats not fair. I watched again and it didn’t seem as bad as when watching live. When I watched it live it seemed to be even more of a factor as you could almost feel AA was saved? But it’s done and over with and your right there was no guarantee Roy would of won if the ref didn’t stand it up.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
AA being ranked as #2 was a joke, most of his wins during that streak were dubious and against lesser opposition
Nelson has been screwed so many times in fights that you can’t just look down at him for his losses, if the Monson and Rothwell decisions went his way like they should have and if the ref didn’t force a daft stand-up against AA then there’d be no doubt that Roy is a legitimate top 10 guy.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Anyone can do what Randy did - to Toney.
I’m not comparing their histories, families and pets.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Go do it then.
I doubt ANYONE can do it.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Most of the guys saying that jay don't even know what Randy did
But it looked easy so it must be?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
You're the one on Danas nuts
Get me a deal – I’ll fight Toney for the money he made.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Whats this have to with Dana? We are talking about Toney?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Dana can set up the fight
like he did Randy vs Toney
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
So whats your point? Dana can set up fights?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Dana is the best salesman that MMA has, no doubt. Of course he can do it. Make up some stuff about anybody and sell that person to any popular UFC fighter. Then all the UFC nuthuggers will say : I don't mind freak show fights - they are fun! Oh boy!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Same goes for Coker and SF so whats your point I like both OJR
Some fans like the freakshow fights here and there. You don’t, this has nothing to with Dana like your trying to make it for some reason?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
I bash freakshows equally
I laugh when a small time promotion is desperate for a main event and gives Tank, Pudz, Sapp or Butterbean a call and grossly overpays them for a minute of awful work (didn’t include training because I doubt that any of them train seriously). But it’s flat out embarrassing when the 2 top promotions resort to that pathetic matchmaking, no other sport promotes people just because they’re famous they actually allow those with talent to compete.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
I don't get you guys but I know I'm the minority on this
What is wrong with having a well reconized face help boost MMA awareness. It’s not going to a great technical fight but interesting to watch and I see nobody getting hurt over having a few freakshow fights?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Nothing is wrong with freak shows as long as you don't try to bullshit me and tell me its a legit match. It insults my intelligence as an educated man.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Then the Toney match shouldn't have been insulting to you
After Dana came out with the statement saying “Yes it’s a freakshow, looking back on it, I don’t even know what I was thinking when I signed Toney.” But you do seem to ignore that…
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No matter what Dana said having such a mismatch as a co-main event of a major PPV was a joke
And Dana tried to con people into watching Toney “in the best shape of his life” when he clearly never bothered to train and was as flabby as he’s ever been.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
What? It was marketed as MMA vs. Boxing - and I did not ignore anything. I actually protested that as a main event and ranted about it.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to "nothing is wrong with freakshows as long as you don't try to bullshit me and tell me it's a legit match." ???
Dana coming out and admitting it’s a freak show was all over the internet, anyone with a PC connection and half a brain could’ve got online and saw that it was admitted by Couture AND Dana White that this fight wasn’t anything special.
James Toney’s the guy who really pushed the whole “it’s MMA vs Boxing” angle. There really wasn’t any other way to advertise the fight. I don’t know what you wanted there, a commercial that said “UFC FREAKSHOW: TONEY VS COUTURE”
Seriously, who’s going to do that?
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And YOU knew about those statements cause you're always on Mania
I know maybe the casual fan was mislead but YOU knew that it was admitted by one of the fighters and the promoter that it was a freakshow. No one was hiding anything from you or trying to pull any whool over your eyes.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This was all after the fact, OD. You can spin it all you want in your POV but the fact remains that DW was bullshitting people left and right before this fight took place. Try to be objective, dude.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I am objective and the statement that the fight was a freakshow was released before the fight took place
ergo, anyone that was half way interested could’ve looked it up and seen that the majority of fans and the promoter himself thought the fight was a freakshow. It wasn’t some secret and it’s not Dana’s fault that people are too lazy or not interested enough to bother looking before spending $$.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, no. That may be cool with you but its a known fact that DW tends to bs to make a buck - and that's fine. But don't put the onus on the consumer if the promoter is lying, dude. Come on, now.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not lying
He’s released a statement saying exactly what he thinks of the fight; why does he have to include that negativity in the commercial?? How many people selling products do you see ever come out with something negative to say about what they’re selling? You’re throwing the guy under the bus for what’s accepted as a common business practice EXCEPT he’s one of the few people that ever came out with a derrogatory statement about his own product before it hit the market.
75% of Americans have access to the internet and I’m sure not many of the other 25% aren’t out ordering PPV’s. There’s no reason anyone and everyone who ordered that fight didn’t know that it was a freak show. The information was there.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see it that way only because DW has a history of flip flopping on these types of things. Kimbo, Fedor, etc, etc. If it was a 1 time thing - I would let it go and see it like you do but the pattern is well established.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can all agree that DW is a lying piece of shit.
And he wouldn’t be as good at his job if he wasn’t.
Ya?
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Then every businessman that's ever done advertising is a lying piece of shit
And he’s no better/worse than anybody else out there peddaling their crap to the general public.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that. All of them are lying to make a buck.
It is a job requirement. Unless you have a product that doesn’t need a lie to sell it.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Yeah my word of advise is don't take anything Dana states about the competition seriously.
Like Dana or hate Dan he is a competitior that will use his mouth agaisnt the competition. And we should all know this and I think we should ask the question here, who listens to Dana when he speaks about the competition?
Dana puts up a great product that I’m a fan of, and respect Dana, but I’m not going to be a fool and listen to what Dana states about the competition that would be like believing everything KOS has to say about GSP.
I better get to work guys, great debate with no name calling … well nuthugger …but I’ll let that slide and I’ll check in later.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Same. I am out. Good debate, guys.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I am out as well. Nice seeing you again OD.
I liked that we talked for a couple hours and no names.
Great times.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Lol, later guys.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a second... I can't go out like that
Lol, Later guys.
“Look at you scared now, you hoe’s. Scared like a little white pussy. Scared of the real man. I’ll **** you ’til you love me, ******.”
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like you don't think any consumer is accountable or responsible for how their money is spent
There’s no product out there that doesn’t put the best possible face on their product that they can. I don’t know about you but I never just up and buy something I’ve never tried before without reading a couple user reviews or ratings on it. I don’t just buy a creatine or a protein suppliment cause it says it’s amazing on the label. I look up some info on it.
Same with entertainment, I’m not gonna just go out and watch some movie cause it’s called “Ultra Badassery, the pinacle of violent bloody combat action!” I’m gonna look it up and see if it’s actually any good. But that’s just me I guess.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Buyer beware.
The first rule of being a consumer. It’s up to you to make sure you aren’t purchasing shit. Not the supplier.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
I agree with you guys in principle but I think defending DW in this instance is a minority view and reeks of blind UFC fan boy status. Is he the only one? Of course not but that does not take away from the fact that he is known for outright lying.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think condemning the guy for practicing business based on what is society's objective norm anyway
Is pretty senseless. Why is he getting singled out? Cause he’s successful. No one cares about an unsuccessful liar, but the fact is they’re the same damn thing. One caught the breaks, one didnt, and everyone else out there trying to sell you their crap is doing the same thing.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
OJR
always tryin to hold the white man down…
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It'd be like allowing celebrities to join football teams
Sure it would get more casual fans to show up but it would also take away any credibility that the sport had as a legitimate contest and would devalue it for the sake of money.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
THIS^^^^
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the way you word it I agree David
But in reality toney is a pro fighter and we have seen many one diminsional pro fighters in MMA and his pro fighting is much more proven than Walkers?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
NFL infact has taken other athletes as well that had little football experience
Gates is a perfect example as are many linemen that were wrestlers in college.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
You'd get the money you deserve. Why would they pay you want Toney made?
Do you have a fanbase?
I’m not on Dana’s nuts. We aren’t even discussing Dana right now.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
No, I have no fanbase.
But you are the one wanting me to fight him.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I just want you to prove the crazy shit you said.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Same here. Because my 10+ years of street fighting are more suitable than karate for MMA. Right, Puck?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends if you train or not and who you train with
Did kimbo not have some boxing training when he was street fighting? Anyway kimbo could kick many karate kids ass’s thats the point. walker has no more MMA training than Kimbo does.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Jay - seriously? Its not about levels. Its about how out of shape Toney is. As Randy demonstrated - a low risk TD can topple Toney. A HS wrestler could have taken Toney down much less a professional MMA fighter - even if that fighter was a newb.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
Most HS wrestlers wouldn’t have come up with the TD that Randy used. Most of them would have went in and clinched with him.
Randy making Toney look like shit doesn’t mean everyone would.
I could stop most HS wrestlers from taking me down without me putting hands on them. I think Toney is better than I am.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Freestyle wrestlers use single and doubles. Greco involves clinching. You must think Randy is the only person in the octagon who uses his brains.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The way I see it
Toney and Walker both have 0 experience or background in wrestling or any kind of grappling for that matter.
Walker knows what he’s picked up recently and his ground game looked ok against a puffed up MW that he could use his size to bully around but can you compare his performance to Toney’s and really get anything out of it? No. There’s such a huge gap between the quality of their opponents that it’s not even funny.
When I look at the two, they’re about the same size, neither with any wrestling or BJJ background, both over 40, both with only 1 fight experience in MMA and as far as stand up Toney’s been boxing professionally since the late 80’s. Walker at this point in their carreers is the superior athlete but on paper I think you have to give that fight to Toney.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they both suck ass and I would flip a coin if Toney was in shape. If Toney looks like a cup of pudding then I go with the fighter who has stamina. Nothing to do with my love of the UFC or SF.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Toney only wins if he connects and his fight will be one round either way. His size will mean little in the outcome of the fight.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Yea but Toney can still win fights (albeit not against top tier competition) in his own sport
I don’t put a whole lot of stock in him being chubby if we’re talking about a fight against a 40+ year old football player who’s barely got 1-2 yrs in total training MMA.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't put a whole lot of stock in a guy who can't learn TDD. And being chubby does factor in even if you don't place any importance on it. Also, I will take 1-2 years of experience over 0 experience.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're basically saying Couture's TD ability played absolutley no factor whatsoever
And I don’t buy that. I don’t think Walker makes that look as easy as Randy did. Hell I doubt he could even duplicate the same technique, it’d be an upper body TD like all of his TD’s against that MW were and he’d be moving around a guy his own size who’s not exactly completely incompitent when it comes to clinch work. That’s a pick-em fight for me.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And here we go with the Randy card. All you guys use it when your argument is rebutted. I don't put Randy in the equation. Its Walker vs. Toney, right? All things being said if Toney is in better shape its a coin flip. If Toney is fat then its Walker
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but what I'm saying is the fight was so short and he's so inexperienced
That we really don’t know what he learned concerning MMA if anything. With Walker he fought a newbie, who was 2 weight class’s below him, he got to showcase a little skill. Toney had absolutley no opportunity to showcase anything, imo he’s still an unknown.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
OD - its safe to say at this point that Toney learned nothing and will never learn anything. Randy admitted it was a paycheck fight so I will assume that it was the same for Toney.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he was training with Juanito Ibarra no?
Had to learn something. Maybe all he learned was how to half way pronounce the word “Take Down” but I’m sure he learned something.
Anyway, it’s irrelevant I doubt the guy ever does another MMA fight ever again. The point coming into this argument in the first place was that none of these fighters mentioned are legit. Maybe Lashley is the closest but he’s still a part time fighter.
The point being, yes the UFC goes for the cash grab fights, but SF is not innocent of that.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And you never know..
Maybe if Toney had fought that MW Herschal fought we’d all be talking about how his stand up is the best in MMA right now.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You have an excellent point there.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Ok so your pick between the two would be based on Toney's shape? Fair enough
Mine would be based on wether I thought walker could get Toney down and keep him down before getting tagged and I believe either way it would be a one round fight.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
And I don't think Walker could pull off the TD like Randy did
Couture made it look easy, but he’s got so many years of wrestling behind him he can do that. It was actually pretty crafty, being as inexperienced as he was it gave Toney absolutley no opportunity to sprawl or clinch or really attempt to do anything to defend. I don’t know what it was called but I know it’s a wrestling technique, I want to say ankle pick but I think that’s wrong.
Anyway, I doubt Herschel would be able to hip throw/toss Toney around as easily as he did the MW he was fighting.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You're out of your tree Jay
A fat, old man with no wrestling experience can stop takedowns from all but the most decorated wrestlers?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
toney's only real chance agaisnt anybody is staying on his feet
And if he can connects most likely he wins, if he goes down he loses. Toney is a one round fight but it’s impossible to say if this guy or that guy could take him down as randy is proven to be one of the best MMA grapplers ever.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
I agree
Strikers without a takedown defense have one chance to win – the first few seconds of the round. If they don’t get that one punch in, they get taken down and lose.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
The question is how long can they keep it standing
And I think that depends on the opponent, Randy can make many experienced MAM fighters look like crap on the ground and make great grapplers look average.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Yes - but NONE of those apply to Toney.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
what apply's to toney is can someone with little or no grappling history like wlaker bring Toney down?
I don’t know I think it would be a tough challenge for Walker?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Nope. An in shape athlete with zero experience beats an out of shape former athlete with zero experience. Have you played sports before?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
???
whats that have to with Toney, he has elite striking and athlete can’t simply go in and beat Toney because he’s in good shape thats retarded.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
I disagree completely.
I’m an out of shape former athlete and I still kick ass on all the young in shape newbs I play.
This is baseball and not fighting but you get my point.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
I think your preference for the UFC over SF blinds you guys to the fact that :
1) Randy vs. Toney was a complete farce – enforced by the fact that Toney came in grossly out of shape
2) We are comparing Walker and Toney on a current scale so…
Toney is fat and showed no TDD
While Walker showed some type of MMA related skill
3) It has been proven several times that TD neutralize a striker
Therefore based on reasonable speculation I would have to side with Walker in this hypothetical scenario.
And for you UFC fans out there – yes the UFC is great and yes – DW is a great salesman and yes – Randy is a legend.
Did I cover all of the important facts for you UFC fanatics?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I watch all mma. I'd venture to say MORE than you.
I don’t appreciate being called a UFC fanboy.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Your UFC bias shows. IF Walker was the one fighting Randy (and loses) then I can see you picking Walker in this hypothetical debate. Just saying.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I happen to like their rules and their availability as well as their longevity.
Who is your favorite football team?
If you say any team in the NFL are you a NFL hugger? UFC is the best in their sport, why wouldn’t I like them the most? They have 110 of the top 140 fighters. What’s not to like?
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
And there you go. I love the Bears but I admit that they suck and would lose to other quality teams.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But the UFC fighters don't suck and they don't lose to other quality fighters.
They have 110 of the top 140 fighters.
I guess since you like the bears though, you are an NFL hugger.
Why don’t you like the arena football teams? Their players are better than the NFL players.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
No, if I said the Bears were better than the top CFL team then that would make me an NFL nuthugger - as in not recognizing the flawed teams within the NFL. That's what I mean.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But they are better than any CFL team.
You’re not a nuthugger. You’re realistic.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
I try to be realistic and judge the fighters on what I see. I don't automatically give a fighter a pass because he was under the UFC banner or in TUF or whatever. That's all.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that. And I do the same.
It just so happens that UFC has most of the good fighters. Check the consensus rankings for confirmation of that. Same goes with the NFL they have most of the best football players. That is why you watch the NFL and not the CFL.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Agreed. But if the Champion CFL team challenges the Bears - I would not automatically pick the Bears to win. They suck and I admit it - even if their league is the best of the best.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Nov 3, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No the Bears do not suck they just can't get their sh^t together
the NFL is close in competition and the Bears can compete with any team in their division. Look at the Vikings they are sucking and they kicked ass last year with the same players?? Losing Rice was enough to hurt these guys as he was their clutch receiver and thats all it takes in the NFL one player can be help get you in the playoffs.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
Toney is pro boxer, Walker is a pro football player
jsut becasue he took Karate lessons doesn’t mean he has MMA experience, I would take any pro boxer over someoen that took karate lessons and not competed in any combat sport. And most pro UFC guys didn’t like Toney in the UFC, but like I said I like freakshow fights so what your saying means very little.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
are you fucking kidding?
obcourse hearshal showed mroe in the cage, he was fighting someone who was lighter then him, someone who didnt fight in 3 years and someone that was complete shit. Toney foguht fucking randy the natural………….big fucking difference there
The Red Wings will come back stronger
RESTORE THE ROAR 2010 Detroit Lions
I'm comparing freakshow to freakshow.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I agree with that.
But they aren’t comparable in any other way.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Not the biggest fan of strikeforce but hundred is 100% correct on this one
by p rock on Nov 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here's a better analogy for you.
Dana White. Mark Cuban.
They’re both passionate owners and advocates for their sports.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Nov 3, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree VeeisAnimated
M1 is closer to being a Don King than Dana White, kind of funny when you think about it Coker co-promotes with the Don King of MMA.
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
They're crooked but don't play to the cameras
Don King’s probabaly more famous than most pro boxers but nobody aside from hardcores knows who Vadim is.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Dana is owner and promoter.
Don King was just a promoter. Nothing more and nothing less.
Bob Arum. Yeah, whatever.
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VEe is ANIMated!
King was accused in a court of law of MURDER for christ sake..
The guy would routinely cheat fighters out of money. Now maybe some of the UFC guys are underpaid but they all signed on the dotted line up front and knew what they were getting up front. Completely unfair comparison, Dana might be an “asshole” by some people’s perception but he’s nowhere near as dirty as Don King.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally I think Dana White is more like Mark Cuban.
Don King is definitely as dirty as they come. When it comes to boxing promoters like DiBella, Arum, King, Muhammad, etcetera . . . I will always say this.
let he who is without sin, cast the first stone
As far as being a murderer. Behind many important people in entertainment, politics, business you will find many rogue characters. Don King is no exception. I’m not justifying murder but hey, I’m just saying.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Nov 3, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah. I’m glad that Dana White is nothing like any of the boxing promoters.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Nov 3, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Get real Coker
Your company does a $1 million gate in San Jose and you think your in the same league as the UFC? Maybe if they make Dana a good deal he’ll take SF off Coker’s hand and show him how to run a company. They could start by firing Gus Johnson and Mauro.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Nov 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
Coker is a hack
I’m more of a very direct business man. The guy I really liked wasn’t Don King. To me, it’s okay being the Bob Arum. In a lot of Bob’s early fights, you didn’t even know who promoted the fights.
Arum is just as much of a scum bag as Don King. Anyone forget his interview with Ariel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_tsPatoBU
He’s a greedy, backstabbing tool. Just like Don King
If Coker thinks it is okay to be Bob Arum then I hope he gets run over by an 18 wheeler of dildos.
I think its funny how Coker talks so much about Dana.
Just like other owners/promoters have in the past! They all bash Dana, when really they all just want to be Dana!
If you asked Dana a question about Coker im sure he wouldnt give you anymore that 5-10 words about the guy. Cause he dont give a fuck about him!!
"You can take away the nickname, but you can't take away the anger"
-Mike Goldberg on Diego Sanchez not wanting to be called The Nightmare anymore
Well think about it Coker has a co-promotion with real Don kings of MMA M1 and in the probally make less on a Fedor card than they do on a Hershal Walker card.
Now thats sad and bad business on Cokers part. Then to sign Hendo for huge dollars who you have lined up to take the MW belt and he loses to the champ who SF does not keep!?
As it turns out StrikerDave was right all along and I was horribly wrong, and now I am crying like a little schoolgirl. After all my loudmouthing Brock Lesnar has no chin, no striking, no practical wrestling, no TDD, no heart, and no valid excuse for being this terrible, I just was too blind/stupid to see it.
" d*locc please give me a pass aboard the Cain Train! I promise never 2 question yur knowledge or cains gr8ness again "
lets not forget granting title shots to people coming off a loss.
"You can take away the nickname, but you can't take away the anger"
-Mike Goldberg on Diego Sanchez not wanting to be called The Nightmare anymore
dear dana
Bite it, you scum
"eat shit." billions of flies cant be wrong
by salamagogo on Nov 3, 2010 12:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You forgot to sign it. Here I'll do it for you.
Signed. A jealous fan that would lick the sweat off your taint just for the chance to be in the same room as you.
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Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
Coke
Coker is the last dude to be criticizing anyone about running a business. You got people fighting in the ring after a fight, your champion overseas instead of defending his title. Your being a** raped by a Russians. The champ and #1 contendor of the LHW, MW,WW,LW division are the only relevent people in those divisions….Coker is an idiot.
I don’t agree with everything Dana does, but Coker wishes he had that much confidence in his product.
"it's okay to be the Bob Arum and put on these great fights, to put on these mega events.
coker , how many fighters coming off losses have you tried to give a title shot 2
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How about the fact that Scott is blocking a Melendez/Alvarez fight?
I guess everyone forgets that. Scott is the exact same as Dana. Worse even.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
he is nothing like dana
aytleast dana puts on fights people ask for. atleast people under the ufc acccually haft to earn a title shot. even brock had to win 1 before his shot lol ( jokes)
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They're both arseholes
Dana just likes the camera more than Coker and is more of a control freak, otherwise they’re both as hypocritical and as greedy as each other. I don’t like either of them.
"Stay classy San Diego"
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Dana White is 1 of the top 5 greatest man alive
by phatmacjuggalo10 on Nov 3, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
Dana has built MMA...
The UFC has the best product out here by far but he loses credibility by not mentioning other fighters or trashing non UFC fighters…Like him saying Fedor is not top 10(before he lost) is going to make fans leave the UFC and watch Fedor fights? The notion is stupid and at the time everybody knew it wasn’t true, so its cases like that, which forces me not to take the things he says to be truthful at times, hence he is a used car salesman…
Funny how so many ufc cocksuckers are defending Dana for signing Kimbo&Toney
Yet the rejects attack SF for signing Walker&Lashley….
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
Kimbo and Toney vs. Walker and Lashley.
I’ll take Kimbo and Toney.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
At least Toney can fight and Kimbo draws an audience.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain is w/o a doubt the greatest HW that has ever stepped foot in the ufc! The only belt Brock will ever get back is in the WWE. Hail king cain P4P best on the planet!
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