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Chael Sonnen testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) defense possible for Dec. 2 appeal in Sacramento

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But will the argument have enough juice to convince the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC)?

That's one of the questions being posed by our SB Nation colleagues over at Cageside Seats, after Dave Meltzer brought word that "Sonnen would argue based on being medically prescribed testosterone due to a low level in his system."

The former UFC middleweight number one contender is currently staring down the barrel of a one-year suspension plus a $2,500 fine after getting popped for Performance Enhancing Drugs (PED's) in a test administered prior to last August's UFC 117: "Silva vs. Sonnen" title fight at the Oracle Arena in Oakland, California.

Sonnen's pre-fight drug test, obtained from a urine sample that was processed through the UCLA Olympic drug-testing lab, returned a positive result for steroids on both his first and second samples.

In fact, the mouthy ex-Realtor even told CSAC executive director George Dodd he used an illegal performance enhancing drug the day before his "Spider" fight.

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As Larry Pepe speculated in the fallout of his post-fight drug test, the likelihood that Sonnen was taking steroids seemed less likely than the possibility that he was on Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT), which is not uncommon for athletes his age and with his competitive background.

However, the bloodhounds at Cageside tracked down Keith Kizer to get the scoop on Sonnen's history of pre-fight disclosure.

Unfortunately, they came up snake eyes on that roll:

Sonnen fought Nate Marquardt in Nevada this past February, after the Okami fight, so I called Keith Kizer, Executive Director of the Nevada commission.  According to Kizer, Sonnen never applied or was approved for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).  Not in February or any of his previous fights in Nevada.  Before the Marquardt fight, he applied and was approved for Soma/carisprodol (a muscle relaxer recently banned completely by WWE because it can cause intoxication while others don't and are more effective) for sleep as long as he didn't take it the night before and doxycyline (an antibiotic) for acne.

That history could hurt Sonnen's TRT defense, if he was in fact planning on using it, but questions also remain about his motive. Was Sonnen guilty of enhancing his performance? Or simply forgetting to follow the correct protocol?

Sonnen's appeal to the CSAC will be heard on Dec. 2 in Sacramento. We'll keep you updated on any developments to his upcoming hearing as they become available.

In the meantime, what's your take on the TRT defense?

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I don't understand how...

Sonnen is still being considered for a title shot upon his return. If he did test positive then how can you ignore the part they played in his performance? This whole ordeal confuses this duck.

Fights aren't fought by keyboard warriors, they are fought by true champions like danago.

by theoregonduck on Nov 17, 2010 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

I don't care for a return rematch but not because of the roids but because it would go exactly the same way.

Silva has always had porous td defense, Chael doesn’t need roids to plow through takedowns, he’s generally hard headed and can take punishment and has a career filled with an inability to see subs coming when he’s ahead and winning. Where do Roids help him aside from maybe getting him in better shape/being injury free because neither of these guys is known for bad cardio? In conclusion roids don’t teach you how to fight, that fight would have gone the same exact way as it did……the same exact way every chael sonnen Loss goes. (Note: This is also part of my legalize roids ion MMA rant…..queue all the “it’s bad for your health” haters)

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 17, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think chael wouldn't have been able to keep up the frantic pace without the juice.

In addition chael has never been known for dropping guys and andy hasn’t been known to be dropped so if he did roid that added power could have played a factor in those shots.

Fights aren't fought by keyboard warriors, they are fought by true champions like danago.

by theoregonduck on Nov 17, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Steroids are known to cause acne, which Sonnen was medicating for. They also cause your body to stop its natural testosterone production, necessitating the TRT therapy (redundant, I know) or some other artificial way to resume testosterone production. This makes him sound a lot more guilty to me than less guilty. And I like Sonnen, but this really doesn’t look good for him from where I sit.

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by P-Dub on Nov 18, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

This may be a blessing in disguise for Chael...

A suspension would give him an entire year to work on nothing but submission defense.

As far as a rematch goes… I honestly don’t think Silva will be the Champ by this time next year. He will either retire or get beat by Okami, if Belfort doesn’t get the job done.

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by ---Cole--- on Nov 18, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

talk to pro fighters. most of them will tell you the roids are to keep up the pace of training and recovery, not for juicing in the actual fight.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 18, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

NNR.

I believe Anderson had a fractured rib, I think his takedown defense is solid one of the best for a non-wrestler based fighter Instead of Silva really trying to defend the takedown he accepted going into guard and staying there, he definitely wasnt sprawling much… Anderson will step up his takedown defense next time…

Steroids also helps to train better keep strength at top physical peak and increases aggression, this also gives the fighter confidence and mental edge, Cael used it to increase his performance whether to aid an injury or not…. now as far as legalizing it?… something about that doesnt seem right… why take the legalization stance?

by THORAZINE on Nov 18, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you know how stupid that sounds...

If the fight would have gone the same way with or without steroids, then where is need to legalize steroids? If they don’t make a difference in fights then there is no need to take them thus no need to legalize them.

by ParagonBJJ on Nov 18, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

You recover better from training camp, heal injuries faster and perform in peak conditions etc.....

I was sayijng that he should not be denied of a rematch because of steroids but because their styles simply don’t match up too well. People shouldn’t try to claim that it was the steroids that allowed Chael to do what he did for 4 rds. No it was 10+ yrs of high level wrestling. For example Why is it that people don’t care to see Fitch ever rematch GSP despite being the absolute undisputed number 2 WW? Same thing here, some guys just don’t mesh well. As far the legalization of it well i believe the whole reasoning against them right now is pretty hypocritical to me and non science based. But hey, i’ve argued it plenty with guys here.

 Btw, do you train at Paragon? Just curious, am kind of a big fan of a few of guys there.

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 18, 2010 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

3 things

1, Anderson had a fractured rib (my belief)
2. Sonnen enhanced his performance, maintained strength and aggression 5 rnds.
3. Steroids can be done safely in moderation with specific types. Between 2 fighters with everything else being equal the one on steroids will have the needed edge.

by THORAZINE on Nov 18, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and with tAs far as the items you stated...agree 100% on all fronts.

Now let me ask this….was it such a bad thing that Sonnen didn’t perform like that? He was already a very high level wrestler and his hustle as always been there but that aggression enhances his game right? Now imagine if andy’s fractured rib had healed for the most part with some sort of steroidal treatment? Even level – if it’s allowed for everyone (monitored by pros and commissions obviously). Peak performance – to me i want peak performance because then the competitive advantage in a fight becomes purely technical merit. All Skill – that’s an ultimate sport to me.

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 18, 2010 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He deserve a title shot my friend

As much as I hate Chael Sonnen, I think he deserves a title shot in his return. So far, he was the only one who made the Spider looked human. Danago should be the second one to get a title shot if Chael will not be given in his return.

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by Phasebook on Nov 17, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

because he beat down marquardt & okami and passed the drug testing with flying colors

only he knows why he put this stuff in his body, but its not like he was trying to hide anything considering he disclosed the info with the commisioner prior to the fight.

I dont see this getting over turned because that would mean the CSAC would have to acknowledge that it was ok and they are reversing thier decision/ suspension which will never happen no matter what eveidence he provides

with or with out this substance cheal sonnen dominates silva again, he may not win but he will dominate

sonnen for president in 2012’

by dia mette on Nov 17, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that man is an insult to the great state of oregon

Fights aren't fought by keyboard warriors, they are fought by true champions like danago.

by theoregonduck on Nov 17, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

the man is an example of what a fighter should be

will fight anyone anytime anyplace,

that man is an insult to the great state of oregon

by dia mette on Nov 18, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

and so it begins

"eat shit." billions of flies cant be wrong

by salamagogo on Nov 17, 2010 10:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

All I want for christmas is to see sonnen beaten down in humilating fashion, thats all

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by nathang on Nov 17, 2010 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

never ganna happen

when was sonnen ever beaten down never, better ask santa for something else

by dia mette on Nov 17, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What a fag.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by Brizzle T on Nov 17, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

So what your telling me is..

Sonnen is a girl?

Sonnen and Bisping = Pillow hands. The KO power of a paraplegic.
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by D-MoB on Nov 17, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

"returned a positive result for steroids on both his first and second samples."

The positive result was abnormally high testosterone, not anabolic agents. Report facts, not inferences.

by RaginAsian on Nov 17, 2010 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

Such an important distinction.

Oh, wait.

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by Geno Mrosko on Nov 18, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, that answers that...

Testosterone is an anabolic agents. Anabolic steroids are based on the chemical structure of testosterone. Did you really not know that?

by Otz on Nov 18, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

This is so ridiculous...

All anabolic steroids are based upon the chemical structure of testosterone. Steroids = testosterone. Who doesn’t know this and how the hell could Sonnen think this ‘defense’ is going to work.

by Otz on Nov 18, 2010 12:13 AM EST reply actions  

No it won't

If Chael Sonnen was taking Testosterone Replacement Therapy, one would expect that therapy to elevate testosterone levels from an initially low level to a normal level – not the massive level that was apparently in Sonnen’s system.

by zulu9812 on Nov 18, 2010 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

Am I the only who feels like the more things that come out the murkier things get, I mean i’m still trying to get answers as to why Sonnen was even allowed to fight after his disclosure. It seems there are hundreds of theories and speculation but very little facts about what exactly happened and why hopefully someone will have real answers soon.

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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Nov 18, 2010 1:46 AM EST reply actions  

2 unanswered questions: were there any steroid metabolites in Chael’s urine to go along with elevated testosterone levels? What is the elevated level?

by THORAZINE on Nov 18, 2010 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter

Testosterone replacement can be done in a number of ways, but I speculate that he probably was taking some form of testosterone injection as it is quite common. Now, straight testosterone is simply not injected b/c of its short half-life. Generally, a chemically modified version is injected so that it becomes active over time, but with such injections a number of ‘steroid’ metabolites are going to be generated.

So, one would not expect elevated testosterone levels without steroid metabolites. The second question is valid—if levels were only slightly elevated, then he could claim that no advantage was gained. However, the commission may decide to make an example out of him for the ole’ “it was prescribed by a doctor” excuse.

by Otz on Nov 18, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Give him AS, first fight back.

I’d love to see Anderson fuck him up, like he should have in their last fight.

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by Rivalution on Nov 18, 2010 2:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

keep dreaming

sonnen will fuck him up, just like last time

by Lester The Pimp on Nov 18, 2010 6:27 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

youre sad….Chael dominated Silva

by texen_1 on Nov 18, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Give me some steroids and make me fight a guy with a broken rib.

I bet I’d dominate too. Silva’s wrestling is bad, but its no where near as bad as it was that night. His movement was off, he wasn’t circling correctly and he wasn’t even sprawling. Yes he got dominated, but that was far from a fair fight.

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by Rivalution on Nov 18, 2010 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

If i had a way out

with everything that is on the line…….best believe i pull out all the cards.

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by *Californication* on Nov 18, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Chael will walk......as he should

He informed the commision of what he was doing..and what he was doing isnt illegal..cut and dry. just because he`s white and cocky doesnt make him guilty.

by texen_1 on Nov 18, 2010 7:51 AM EST reply actions  

Wrong

Legal and illegal do not apply here. The commission has certain rules with which athletes have to comply that have nothing to do with the law. Sonnen claims to have informed the commission a day prior to the fight that he’s taking testosterone replacement and that’s supposed to be legitimate? Not according to the commission.

Do you have any idea what you’re actually talking about?

by Otz on Nov 18, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

She can pee in the sample cup while standing.

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by P-Dub on Nov 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

"Human belief progresses through three stages: primitive magic, replaced by religion, in turn ultimately replaced by science. "
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by *Californication* on Nov 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

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