Programming reminder: UFC Primetime 'Lesnar vs Velasquez' tonight (Oct. 6) on Spike TV
by Jesse Holland on Oct 6, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
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The UFC returns with "Primetime," a three-part series featuring an in-depth look at the upcoming UFC 121 heavyweight title fight between reigning division champion Brock Lesnar and undefeated number one contender Cain Velasquez..
The debut episode will air TONIGHT (Oct. 6) at 11:00 pm ET on Spike TV immediately following episode four of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 12. Episodes two and three will air on Oct. 13 and 20, respectively.
From the Spike TV press release:
"UFC Primetime," produced by the Ultimate Fighting Championship® (UFC®), is a look into the lives of heavyweight king Lesnar, and the challenger, Velasquez. As the two prepare for their meeting in October, Spike TV will present three special weekly installments that will take viewers from rural Minnesota as Lesnar trains with the DeathClutch/Minnesota Martial Arts Academy to San Jose, CA, as Velasquez trains with the renowned American Kickboxing Academy team. "UFC Primetime" delivers an extraordinary amount of access to two of mixed martial arts' best, as they head into what could be the signature fight of the year.
And of course, this being "Brocktober," that's just the tip of the iceberg from a programming standpoint. Check out the rest of the television line-up and a "Primetime" video preview after the jump.
UFC PRIMETIME: LESNAR VS. VELASQUEZ
Premiere Episode #1 - Wednesday, October 6 at 11:00pm
Premiere Episode #2 - Wednesday, October 13 at 11:00pm
Premiere Episode #3 - Wednesday, October 20 at 9:30pm
UFC 116: LESNAR VS. CARWIN (re-air)
Wednesday, October 20 (7:00pm-9:30pm)
UFC UNLEASHED
Lesnar vs. Herring - Wednesday, October 6 (7:00-8:00pm) and Saturday, October 23 (6:00pm-7:00pm)
Lesnar vs. Couture - Wednesday, October 6 (8:00-9:00pm) and Saturday, October 23 (7:00-8:00pm)
Lesnar vs. Mir 2 - Wednesday, October 6 (9:00-10:00pm) and Saturday, October 23 (8:00-9:00pm)
Lesnar vs. Mir 1 - Saturday, October 23 (3:00-4:00pm)
UFC 121 COUNTDOWN
Monday, October 18 at 11:30pm
Wednesday, October 20 at 1:30am
Thursday, October 21 at 12:30am
Saturday, October 23 at 1:00pm
UFC All Access: Brock Lesnar (re-air)
Thursday, October 7 at 1:00am
Saturday, October 9 at 2:00pm
UFC 121: "Lesnar vs. Velasquez" will air live on pay-per-view Saturday, October 23, from the Honda Center in Anaheim, CA, at 10:00 PM ET.
For the complete UFC 121 fight card and line-up click here.
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Haha thats the advantage of fighting cans, they don't know how to finish when they have you rocked.
Well, at least Cain’s little adventure is over in a couple weeks. Brock TKO round 1.
It's BROCKtober Bitches!
If that dumbass had simply backed away and made Brown Stain get back on his feet it would have been over in the first round.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
yep. or just a left knee right after the first or second punch would have finished it.
It's BROCKtober Bitches!
PW - The same could be said about Carwin.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I love when my thoughts get out w/o me having to say anything
thanks OJR
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Brown Pride is getting flushed down the toilet in this fight
If theres one thing I cant stand its people who come to America from other countries, live here, take full advantage of everything America offers, and dont even have the respect to call themselves American. Go back to Mexico if thats what youre so proud of!
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Old topic, man. Its been covered already. Keep it to MMA.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Associating a tattoo with a political stance (on Cain's behalf) is a stretch - and that's putting it mildly.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Wasn't Cain born here? He's not from Mexico or anything so what's all the immagrant talk, his folks?
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Its really some Mania posters not truly comprehending the issue at the heart of the debate. So they use Cain or any other target to manifest their frustrations without looking at all the facts. Its an empty argument in this case.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the issue is no one stnading up for America these days
We have Obama going on his apology tours, and so many people distancing themselves from being American… they just want to take advantage of everything America has to offer but wont even call themselves American, or stand up for the country who has taken care of them their entire lives… “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all.”
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not happening in real life just on Fox
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, Cain is American. That's the real point here. The End.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he is an American...
So why does he tote a Mexican flag over his shoulders everytime he enters the octagon? Why does he wear Mexican colors on his mouthpiece? Hes American but he has zero pride or loyalty to this country obviously, sure he likes living here and all the benefits that come with being an American citizen but god forbid he actually tells anyone that he is American.
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
So what? In what way does Cain's wardrobe and mouthpiece effect you? You're being a baby. None of his actions do anything to hurt anyone in America.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
^^this^^
Maybe it’s a given he’s American, why does he need to prove that to anyone? I mean why is him embracing his heritage a bad thing?
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all."
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Teddy Roosevelt God or something? Am I supposed to bow down to any quote from any president ever? Guess what, there's not national language, even though Teddy says we should all speak English.
We aren’t talking about going to war here, we’re talking about mouthpieces and a tattoo.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Then someone should tell...
Roosevelt to remove all those ethnicity questions on all of those forms…cause it sure makes it seem that it divides us all.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
have a little pride in your country
you fucking bleeding heart liberals
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm far from a liberal, but that doesn't mean I have to spout off ignorance at the mouth.
So what do you want to do, make Cain wear something else? How fucking un-American is that? No, you’re just bitching to bitch.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
hey he can wear whatever he wants
I just wish he could realize how ignorant his “Mexican Pride” is… what has Mexico done for this clown? uhm… nothing at all? Hes lived in America his whole life, hes been defended by the best military on the planet, good police force/fire dept, good school systems, etc. But why be proud of all that? Ill just say I’m Mexican because thats cooler, fuck off
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not because its cooler...
Although in my opinion I think it is cool being a mexican (but I’m biased). Mexico is a country with rich history and traditions. Much like the US, but being proud of your country is not about military power and social services (fire,police,education, etc…), it is about being proud of were you come from, the trials and tribulations your people had to go through to succeed. From the conquest, independence, and even the strength it takes to succeed on your own like Cain’s parents.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Velasquez
pays taxes, and contributes just as much as most to his country through his daily life.
Who the hell cares about pride. That’s all subjective bullshit anyway. I don’t have to have pride in America just because I live here. I’m sure Cain considers himself Mexican because that is the culture he was raised in through his home life with his family. Nothing wrong with that.
So why the hell does he not have the right to have pride in his heritage?
by Roa on Oct 6, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck getting a logical answer to that one.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
llok up the mexica movement if you really want an answer to that question
it bothers me when people’s ignorance leads them to believe there is no harm in others’ actions.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you referring to the Chicano Movement that took place in the '60's? If not, what are you referring to?
And has Cain stated that he is a part of said movement? If not, what relevence does this have to the topic at hand?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
until you take the time to look it up you won't get an answer to why this is relevant
if you look it up, you will have your answer.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Just read up on it. So how is that relevant to the discussion? Still don't get it.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Oh, you're making a GIANT leap and saying that his Brown Pride tattoo means that he is a part of this movement?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
the mexica ovement represents the extremist
side of the american hispanic community, but like all extremist movements, some of their beliefs have widespread moderate support.
the belief that california and other parts of the southwest belong to mexico still is widespread in the latino community. in machete, jessica alba could be heard saying"we didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us" it must be widespread to make it’s way into pop culture.
think, why would mexican aericans be proud of their heritage. mexico is a shithole. people die in the desert to escape it. it is hopelessly corrupt and has a history of being dominated by any nation with a sack. mexican immigrants for the most part are people who fail in their home country and seek the prosperity provided by american culture. mexican culture is a culture of poverty and corruption. brown pride tatts only make sense if you buy into, on some level, the views of the mexica movement and groups like them.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't see any connection to Cain here.
So if you’re from Mexico you should be ashamed? I’m trying to follow you buddy but you’re making it difficult
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What support...
This is similar to young people arriving to their first Philosophy course in college. They hear about socialism and they go out and get their Che Guevara T-Shirt. But this is because they are still learning and need to improve their critical thinking skills.
When Mexican American teenagers learn the history of how the US acquired these territories, they go to the extreme, but it is not a popular movement.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
the support can be seen by groups like la raza
and in multiculturalism classes across the southwest. the racial pride/hate was getting so bad that arizona had to outlaw them. you can’t teach racial pride without lessening other races. this is something most people don’t understand and it’s why race relations are worsening in this country.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So I can't be proud of my Irish heritage?
Should I change my name from Ryan, would that make me an American?
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
now you are just rambling. let the grownups talk kiddo
you might learn something
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, avoid the glaring definitions below that blow-up your argument, ignore the fact that your white guilt theory doesn't apply to me, and spend your time up here. It's better for you that way.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
i've answered both you tool
there are four of you duescheman, i’ll give you some more attention later.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Groups like MECHA and La Raza...
promote bi-culturalism. They teach you about your mexican, chicano, and american heritage. Most importantly to embrace them and not be ashamed of any of them. They are not a militant group. They exist in universities and schools and often promote activities related to traditions. Folk dances, food, and other things to show case it on campus and share it with everyone.
I really hope you get informed about multiculturalism classes before you state an opinion. My nephews are mexican-american and don’t speak spanish well, but in school they are mexicans and are treated as such. If it were not for multiculturalism classes they would grow up hating their own culture not the white culture. These classes help people like me nephews assimilate and appreciate american culture, but also to assimilate and accept their own.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
their own culture?
they live in America right? their culture is American then… this is exactly the problem
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it is that easy...
Most mexican-americans accept the american culture, but being discriminated by your own just based on the color of your skin even though you are an american is what causes a problem. Multi-culturalism classes promote that, to help you accept that you are a mix of cultures and to accept both as equal, not one greater than the other. No problem with that, in a multi-cultural class, they don’t teach you to hate whites.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you think causes that discrimination? I guarentee its not because the person is embracing American culture… it is more likely that people are discriminated against when they bring every ounce of their culture into a different country and expect everyone to tolerate and understand it, while ignoring the natives’ culture altogether…
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and this is one of the few countries that tolerate that kind of thing
try going to an arab country and disrespecting their beliefs/culture while blatantly displaying your culture and rubbing it in everyones face, youll be hung
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to be rude but...
I did say it was because of the color of their skin. Do you know how many times I’ve been discriminated just for the color of my skin. I don’t walk out looking like a mexican charro (cowboy) or wearing a flag, but I’m still discriminated. If I was an american, this would create a conflict wouldn’t it? Not for me I was born in Mexico, but I have family members that went through that.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
there will always be discrimination against other races
However, I bet you that discrimination would be alot less if people stopped individualizing themselves so much, all this crap about I’m Irish, I’m Italian, I’m Mexican, etc. If we just agree that were all Americans, and were all in the same country, working to improve and sustain THIS country, I guarentee there would be alot less discrimination.
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, there will always be some for of discrimination...
There is nothing we can do to have people from giving labels to others. But I believe you are asking for a lot here, do you not appreciate individualism? if we were all the same life would be very dull. If you see a foreign flag on a lawn don’t just assume that they will harm or some how insult america or the american way of life. They are here for a reason, but it is unfair to ask someone to forget were they come from.
Another example that I don’t know if you have heard about is of the americans that live in Mexican coastal cities. They are treated like any other immigrant, they pay taxes, they receive healthcare, and they are welcomed as part of the community. Most of all, they like to integrate themselves to the culture, but they are still proud and put their american flags on the lawn. Are they taken to jail, asked to take it down? No, it is part of who they are. There was a recent report on this, feel free to look it up on youtube. I bet you’d be surprised.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Conan - I have read your posts. I would not use the word ignorant if I was you. Just saying.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
good one
you can’t counter my argument with logic ojr, don’t even bother trying. you’ll just embarrass yourself.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What logical argument have you presented?
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i have given you the reason cain has his tatt and
flies mexican colors. i have given you the reasons behind his actions. if you can’t follow, it is because you havn’t searched the mexica movement and all the other less extremist groups that feed off of that ideology. the
’la raza" or “the race” for you english speakers. yeah, nothing racist about that at all. read both website and it should be obvious that la raza is effectively the pc branch of these extremist groups.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You have made no connection between the 2
Except “look at his tattoo”, honestly I think you’re coming off a little prejudice. If someone has a clover tatted on them are they immediately white supremacists?
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i believe comparign white pride to brown pride tatts would be a better comparison
did that one slip by you somehow? yes, they are racist.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Conan, if you feel that all Mexican's should be embarrased by their heritage, that let's me know what kind of shitbag you are. I'm not arguing with someone that makes assumptions and tried to present them as facts. Especially someone that believes an
entire race should be ashamed of their heritage.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
mexicans aren't a race, they are a nation
only racist mexicans view themselves as an individual race. i am nt saying they should be ashamed, i am saying they shouldn’t be overflowing with pride when they abandoned their own culture and the country it produced to come here. it doesn’t make sense unless viewed from some of the ideas presented by the mexica type movements.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That's stupid as fuck. Why don't you go blow up Marcus Davis' thread? We're all immigrants to this nation(unless you are Native American), so that argument about coming to a more prosperous land works for everyone.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
uh, i was born here. are you unable to differentiate between
ancestors and their descendants? my ancestors were immigrants. with blood and tears they purchased this land, the same way the native tribes purchased their land from other native tribes, the same way land has exchanged hands all over the world since the beginning of time. no the only thing “stupid as fuck” would be someone who doesn’t understand how nations are founded.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You are grasping at straws and arguing semantics while adding in cheesy philosophical fluff. Give it up. There is no coherence between Cain and your rants.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i have destroyed all three of you
you are done.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I sit here annihilated. Please have mercy on me oh powerful one.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Hahaha! Dice has owned you up and down this thread. I am just laughing at you (while to Dice's credit) - he is trying to actually debate with you.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Just give up OJ, he has destroyed all three of us(or four depending on which post of his you go by, math is hard).
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
so why does he fly the mexican colors
congrats deuscheman, you are back to square one.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You really are dumb. Because his parents are from Mexico and he's proud of his roots. Good Lord.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
ok, so he flies the mexican flag and has a brown pride tatt because he loves his parents?
we;ve heard this from his own mouth. i love my parents too. they are great people. i’m gonna go get a white pride tatt and wave around the chinese flag. it doesn’t make sense. the entire concept of being proud of mexican roots is a fallacy. i am grateful my parents left china and we still celebrate chinese traditions, but i don’t tatt yellow pride on my chest. it is racist.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Being proud of Mexican roots is a fallacy? Yeah, pretty much shows you're a racist douche.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
i meant using that as an excuse to display, if any other race did it, would be seen as racist behavior. if you understood anything about my post you would know that i am not racist. i just think that anti-white training makes many people blind to this
fact. for whites it is white guilt, for other races it is racial hatred/distrust of whites or elevation of their own culture/skin to a higher plane.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not white, but I am adopted, and my parents are white. My older sister is white, and my younger sister is Puerto Rican.
So what bullshit psycho-babble category do you want to put me in? Keep on making assumptions dude, you’re cracking me up. You sound like an ambitious college student that learned a cool new concept that he thinks he’s going to impress everyone with. I may be wrong on that though, that’s just what it seems like.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
no, you won't learn what i am talking about at college. but you willl learn about multiculturalism and white shame.
i don’t need to categorize you. if i had to guess i would say that your parents are probably liberal. when you tried to “find yourself” you probably had some struggles with in dealing with your racial background and your lilly white parents. my guess is that you pretty much live like caucasion. you date white chicks and drive your mom’s ford taurus.
i could be wrong though, baseless speculation isn’t really my thing. i need historical facts before i pass judgment.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseless speculation isn't your thing? That seems to be your ONLY thing. You tried to say I had white guilt, then you tried to switch it up. The fact is, you're making assumptions about my education and my upbringing that are simply false.
You think you know how I’ve been educated. FYI though, my parents are conservative. Father teaches at a Christian school with a heavy Presbyterian leaning. Mother is a nurse. Never went through a period of “finding” myself, and have never struggled with adoption or racial issues. Was raised around numerous races, including my own family, and have always believed that race is not important. Best friend growing up(and still a good friend) is Korean. Drive a Japanese car that I bought with my hard-earned money. Equal opportunity when it comes to everything, including dating. My Egytian girlfriend was awesome, but I’m currently dating a white girl. She’s pretty awesome too. Fact of the matter is, you’ve tried to place labels on a lot of people, but you don’t know the first thing about them personally. How about you just mind your own business?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
i told you speculation wasn't my thing.
i told you i got you confused with someone else, puck i think, bout the white guilt thing. so that wasn’t an error in speculation. i don’t care about your upbringing or race. your opinions are the only thing that matter to me. the post before this was just messing with you, i thought you would have got that with that last sentence i added. how could i have known all that stuff? it is different with cain. his tatts and flag waving have meaning. it means different things to lilly white pc mainstream culture and to hispanic culture.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And you're pretending to know more than you do based on your own alleged research and a college course(which you initially denied).
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
i gave you my opinion and the reasons for it. i'm sorry if you are sooo intolerant that you can't let that go
the truth is that you havn’t presented anything to suport your argument. i denied that you will learn my point of view in college, but the anti-white racist point of view is prevelant. i earlier mentioned how arizona had to outlaw it because it was getting so bad.i am comfortable with my beliefs on the subject, but i have an open mind. i doubt any of you took my challenge. the act itself isn’t hard, but it is difficult to question your beliefs.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Challenge? What was the challenge to research these frindge groups that you brought into the conversation for no reason.
And Arizona didn’t outlaw racist classes. There seems to be a trend in AZ that some conservative leaders feel the state is losing it’s “Americaness” so they got rid of a lot of local history courses. Very similar to what is happening in my state Texas, where we are rewriting textbooks cause some nuts at the State Board of Education think the books are promoting Islam over Christianity. It’s a witch hunt.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff, Dooner.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Dice - your younger sis is Boricua? Interesting. *stroking goatee and checking my breath*
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
HA! She's married and recently had twins, in addition to her 18 month old. That's way too much mess for me.
She doesn’t gain baby weight though, and her husband is about to be deployed overseas!
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Curses! Foiled again! Good luck to him and his young family. God Bless.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks man, much appreciated. I have wasted enough time with this guy. Hold down the fort, catch you later.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Victory!!!! and another one heads for the hills
hopefully you take my challenge. it won’t be time wasted.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Victorious on a discussion board...
I have to try that one out, maybe I can put that on my resume.
The only positive thing about this discussion and Conan’s rants is that there is hope for this country. I’m happy to see that there are thinking people out there willing to debate issues and most important larger in number than the ones who use generalizations for reasoning.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a lot of ground to cover, but yes this thread is slowley restoring my faith in this country
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
now my opposistion is forced to lie and mischaracterize my posts. i have been very specific about the criteria that cain meets for me to consider him a racist.i have truly destroyed yall havn't i?
well, gotta go. no need to gloat. diceman get my jacket, ojr, i’m finished with your girl. dudersooner, are you done shining my shoes boy? who the hell is rumaging through the trash outside?………fmx! who the hell is that.
gotta go. later bitches. i have to go train with danago
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Opinions are like a person's belly button...everyone has one and they will all be different.
It is not about winning or losing. It is about being well informed and not making generalizations about people or their culture. If you read information from a single source don’t take it like a gospel, look for differing opinions and create your own. No need for insults or gloating, I learned something from this, mostly the misconceptions about multi-cultural courses in schools and universities. Hopefully, you’ll look at another source of information that provides a contrast to what you perceive as militant or hateful groups. Look at the facts, think with a critical open mind, and create your own opinion.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If you hadn't already proven yourself incompetent I would like to see your definition of "purchase" as used in this context.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
do you really not understand?
purchase. land is primarily bought by fighting for it. it can be bought and sold through monetary means, but that can be trumped in a heartbeat by blood.
that is the real world deucheman
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you expect me to apologize because you misuse a word?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Brown pride doesn't have the same connetation that the former has.
And about the love your daddy thing. In America immigrants come here to work their asses off cause they can’t back home, now I’m sure you are aware that Mexicans have a reputation of doing just that. Now Mexicans have associated themselves with the color brown and there you have it Brown Pride but if you want to go all conspiracy theory it’s your right to do so.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
none of that made any sense kiddo
there is nothing conspiratorial about what i am saying. it is there if you open your eyes. the problem is that when the evidence is plastered on cain’s chest you can’t bring yourself to see it. when you mature you will learn that things aren’t as innocent as they seem.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Xquistewretch R u the only white kid in a Mexican neighborhood or do u live in a trailer park?
U really need 2 find something else bitch about. U sound like 1 of those stupid rednecks on south park. " they took our jobs" don’t jealous fucker who cares wit race they are.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The explaination that Cain gave for his tatoo was something along the lines of
How hard his father had to work to provide for him and his family and that he came to this country to to give them a better life and all that. It was pride in being a hard worker and puting your family above yourself, ya know being a man.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i love my dad too
i’m gonna go get a white pride tatt on my chest. i swear, some people will believe anything.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
there is a certain amout of naivety on diplay here.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say paranoia but what ever
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah my thoughts exactly.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
White Pride represents a racist movement and is not the same as Brown Pride even though it is a colour followed by Pride in both cases Brown Pride only represents to be proud of his culture were White Pride is used to hate another color. It’s foolish to say they are the same when that for from the truth guys.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
where do you think racial hate comes from?
it comes from the belief that your culture/skin is better than others. There is no difference between the two, but your double standard is the real thing i am arguing against. think about what you just said about Brown Pride and go to the “Mexica” website. then go to any white supremasist website. if yall did this yall would see my point. There is no difference.
Most have been conditioned to accept racial pride from non white races as part of multiculturalism,but it just as racist and just as evil.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay he doens't actually believe any of this shit he's just fucking with us
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a difference between thinking your race is better than another race, and having pride in your roots.
If you can’t see that, you’re the ignorant one.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
it comes from the belief that your culture/skin is better than others.
No it doesn’t it’s about being proud of your roots. White Pride was used by racist and is tarnished from being used by the same reason as Brown Pride because of our ignorant ancestors. White Pride was used and abused to hurt, kill, humiliate and cause harm to people and becaue of that is know around the world! Brown Pride is just being proud and has nothing to do with being better or superior like White Pride has been used.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Exactly. If a number of ignorant douchebags hadn't used White Pride as a slogan when doing racist things, no one would have a problem with it.
As you said Puck, Brown Pride doesn’t have those connotations. That’s just the way it is.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
perfect you two are ready for the next lesson
do you think “brown pride” has never been used to hurt others perhaps you have heard of the zootsuit riots. both puck and diceman used ignorant to describe their ancestors. the opposite of racial pride is racial shame. neither can exist without the other. these two have been taught racial shame. where did you learn it? when you were being taught this shame, what do you think hispanic students were being taught. they were taught the same thing, that ingorant horrible white people oppressed them. that is their racial shame. the shame of being weak. they counter this with brown pride, much like some african americans counter with black pride.
now all blacks aren’t racist like the new black panther party, but they do share beliefs. cain is no different with his brown pride. brown and black pride are instruments of hate just like white pride is. no good can come from holding your race in higher regard than others. and if you feel there is something to be uniquely proud about your race, then you do hold it higher than others..
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't even know what my ancestry is. You think you're smarter than you are. You are failing miserably. In case you're wondering, I'm a quarter Italian, a quarter Irish, and half African American. Sorry, your "white guilt" theory doesn't work with
me. Once again you are making assumptions, and you are incorrect.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
i got you confused with someone else
now there are four pupils. my mistake. i wonder how you really feel about the white and black races. do you think your education on racial history caused you to hold one in higher regard than the other?
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the dictionary meaning on Brown Pride :
The slogan has been used by mestizo Latinos to denote a feeling of self-respect, celebrating one’s heritage, and being proud of one’s personal worth.
Her’es the meaning for White Pride: is a slogan indicating pride in being white.
The slogan has been adopted by neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations.
Once again Brown Pride does not represent being superior thats jsut you making up your own meaning
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He refuses to see it, PH.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
puck please, google brown pride.
once you get past the rap videos you will see what it is all about. a pc disctionary definition is the problem, not the answer. it clouds everyday uniformed citizens to the truth.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Translated: Puck please, just take my word for it! Don't worry about what the dictionary says, I'm SMART, and I really know more than everyone else so you should listen to me because I say so!
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
reread duescheman, i did not say take my word for it, in fact i did the opposite
if you aren’t going to take my word you will have to do a little homework. or we can just call each other names, whatever.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You're the one calling names, and now your trying to get away from your origional point
And that was Cain is a separatist, a member of some crazy revolutionary organization that barley has a Wiki page. You said that because he has a brown pride tattoo he hates the united states and wants Mexico to take over the south west part of the united states. And you based all this on a tattoo and the fact that he associates himself with the Mexican flag. My guess is your a college student reciting some bullshit you read.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The last sentence is EXACTLY what I was thinking.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Dooner FTW!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it appears that he didn't take your word, went and looked at the definitions, and posted them here. They show that you're taking an illogical stance.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Cains a good dude it's not like he's a scumbag.
He went 2 college, he’s on the right track.it’s not like he’s an arrogant shit talker w/ a bad attitude.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cain if from Salinas California...
How more american can you be if you are born in the US. He is just proud of his heritage and should be respected for it. Irish americans, african americans, native americans, and mexican americans are proud of their heritage and are free to express it how they feel, they do have first amendment rights.
I’m from another country and I appreciate the opportunities I get here, but I do not have to lose my nationality, customs, and traditions just to fit the mold of what an american should be. I can go back to Mexico, but unfortunately they do not have many americans with my skills to fill in my position. BTW, I’m not a gardener I design and develop online technologies for higher education.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Gardener, good one.
Spoken like a true American FMX, well said.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
its people like that, the so called "proud of their heritage"
who are the first ones to bail when shit hits the fan… they love all the advantages america has but god forbid if we start a draft or something i guarentee they go running for the hills faster than anyone
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
examples please. Cuase that sounds like something you heard on Glen Beck
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true. I sense you are frustrated but sweeping generalizations are not the way.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Do a bit of research…there are ceremonies in airplane hangars for granting citizenship to Marines who were not born in the US. Also, these marines do not do it for money, because if they die in the war, often their families do not get a cent from the government, talk about being proud of defending America right?
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Being a U.S. Marine is a better life than most people around the world could hope for
So yes, they are doing it for the money, and mainly for citizenship. Which hey, I have no problem with, you do 8 years in the military for the U.S. you deserve to become a citizen. Just dont become a citizen and then distance yourself from who you have become, an AMERICAN CITIZEN. Youre not Puerto Rican, Mexican, Canadian, etc. you are an American, and be proud of it. Thats all I am saying
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
People can be proud of whatever they want, that's one of the benefits of being an American. Get off your soapbox.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Wait you lost me...
In your previous post you said that foreigners usually run for the hills when the time comes to defend the country. I’m just trying to show you that is not the case. I don’t know if you got the hangar reference, because they conduct the ceremonies there because there are so many of them.
This country was built by immigrants and made sure that in the core of its foundation was to make sure every one had life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. If it makes people happy to be proud of their heritage and showcase it…who are you to question it.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much sums up the amount of intelligence you've displayed...
in this thread ever on this website.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
nice clever cross out there
you still have yet to make a valid point that ive seen, try harder
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that you're making a mountain out of a molehill. You don't like it that an American is exercising the First Ammendment.
If that’s not un-American I don’t know what it. I’m not trying to make a point, I’m just showing you that what you’re saying is utterly pointless and ill-informed.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
copied from above
I just wish he could realize how ignorant his "Mexican Pride" is… what has Mexico done for this clown? uhm… nothing at all? Hes lived in America his whole life, hes been defended by the best military on the planet, good police force/fire dept, good school systems, etc. But why be proud of all that? Ill just say I’m Mexican because thats cooler, fuck off
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you have this much of a problem when Tito did this?
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish you could realize how hypocritical it is to chastise someone for being un-American simply because you don't agree with them exercising their freedoms.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
^^this^^
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I would chime in more but Dice, Dooner and PH are schooling y'all.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
THis has been a good discussion
No name calling or anything.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I did a little name-calling, but only after they proved worthy of it.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
They are just being parrots for political posturing. Hot button topics like this get the paranoid and uneducated all up in arms while the real issues (economy, health care, education, housing) get ignored. Its to be expected from certain people.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
My whole point:
was that people need to have a little more pride for the country that has taken care of them their entire lives. Sure, you can be proud of where you came from, but much more important than that is where you wound up. This is the country that has protected you, supported you, and gave you every chance to advance in life. Did Mexico do any of that for Mr. Velasquez? sure didn’t… Have some friggin respect
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
How is he disrespecting America?
Can Americans not be brown?
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, well how would you feel...
if people in the country in which you were born treat you like a third rate citizen. I don’t want to speak for Cain here but he was probably discriminated at one point in his life for looking like a Mexican, even though he was born in the US. He is just showing these people that he is not ashamed of were he comes from and respects it so that it cannot be used as an insult to demean him.
Well I guess I’ll see you in the St Patricks Day thread, cause it should bring up similar issues. At least we’ll see a hot girl when every we come back to post :)
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so...
Mexican americans will always be proud of being mexican, irish american will always be proud of being irish, they will wear flags, but not to say that they don’t respect america, but to showcase the traits that make them individuals.
I wonder would you feel the same way if for example you are from Philly and I prohibit you from opening a sandwich shop in Los Angeles and ask you to lose your accent and if not tell you to go back to Philly cause you do not assimilate or show how proud you are of being a Californian.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
thats kind of a weak argument
We go to war as a nation, we vote for a president as a nation, and we are all Americans, regardless of what state you are from, thats understood
by xquisitewretch on Oct 6, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know...
Have you met a New Yorker or a Texan for example? they are really proud of their traditions, accent, and so forth…have the courage to tell someone to assimilate to were they end up because it is the right thing to do.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I've been following this thread...
waiting for you to make a valid point here.
by fmx on Oct 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
google mexica movement
mexicans still think california is part of mexico, which is why they have the nerve to fly colors they and their families run from. it doesn’t mke sense until you google the “mexica” movement.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Puerto Rico is an American colony and has been for a while
So if you’re Puerto Rican you’re American.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome post, FMX.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
google MEXICA movement
then tell me what brown pride means.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What does that bunch of crazies have to do with Cain?
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
brown pride tatts and flying mexican colors in the u.s. is their m.o.
most mexican americans who buy into this are to smart to say they are part of these mexican separatist movements, but it is common. hey, cain walks and talks like a mexican separatist duck. i’m just saying.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You're just saying that you're making a HUGE leap of faith in assuming that he is associated with this movement.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
he is not associated with the ovement for sure, but he does have political and cultural leanings
in that direction. evidence: the tatt and his flying mexican colors. don’t believe the “i love my parents” bullshit. i love me parents too, but not because they are white.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You can base your beliefs on assumptions, I'm not going to.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
well, it's best you just wait until someone tells you to think then
you will never come to your own conclusions without making a few assumptions.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I try to base my beliefs in reason and logic. Sometimes I fall short. However in my experience reason and logic tell me not to rush to judgement, and not to place hateful labels on people until I'm damn sure about it. You apparently have no problem
doing so.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
i am sure about it. it doesn't have to be spelled out for me
reason, observation, and logic are the foundations of my thinking. by observing the visual, historical, and cultural evidence, i am confident that i know the truth.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Confidence in fallacies is a prerequisite for stupidity. Keep it up, you're well on your way.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
what fallacy exactly. i have shown you where to find the websites that back up what i am saying. i did not make up arizona outlawing racist college courses
the tatt and mexican colors are right in front of your face. you guys are the only ones going off of unproven fallacies. none of you have provided a shred of proof to back up yall’s claims.
i’m sorry, but “its true cause i say so” hasn’t cut it since kindergarten. look at yourself before you decide to type to be boy.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Puck already posted the definition above that destroy's the crux of your argument. Don't expect me to post it again because you are too lazy to search.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Here’s the dictionary meaning on Brown Pride :
The slogan has been used by mestizo Latinos to denote a feeling of self-respect, celebrating one’s heritage, and being proud of one’s personal worth.
Her’es the meaning for White Pride: is a slogan indicating pride in being white.
The slogan has been adopted by neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations
.
Once again Brown Pride does not represent being superior thats jsut you making up your own meaning
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Dude the fact that you are using AZ to back up your arguments about race show you don't know what you're talking about.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It's about his roots he's proud of his Mexican roots
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I'm as much of an American as anyone I know. My cousin is in Afghanistan, and my baby sister is moving home with her 18 month old son and 1 week old twins because my brother-in-law is headed over.
People like Conan and xquisitebitch like to act like they are superior Americans because they think they take the most pride in their country and can’t stand people celebrating their heritage. FUCK that. That’s what makes America great. People get to celebrate their heritage, their religion, their sexuality, etc. If you can’t stand Cain for celebrating his heritage, that’s your prerogative, but don’t lie on the man and conjure up hatred based on speculation. I don’t see any of these assholes in Marcus Davis’ threads talking shit.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
deuscheman there are a couple things you have to understand
i have only tried to open your mind about the root causes of racism. racial pride and racial shame. cain is displaying racial pride. you are displaying racial shame. this can not be done without holding certain races at different levels from your own. cain’s brown pride is a manifestation of his racial belief that there is something better about mexcian culture or brown skin color. i have no hatred for cain, but i do hate the use of race to divide people. it must be exposed whenever it happens, even when it hurts your white shame( which is just the flip side of the same coin).
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Nonsensical pseudo intellectual clap-trap.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry you can't follow. i schooled about four of you because
you all are pretty closeminded. i understand your arguments because i have read about them and informed myself. i can do this because foreign ideas don’t frighten me. i really wish yall would take my challenge of comparing white and brown supremasist websites to see if there is any difference.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not very bright...please see above where I already destroyed your white guilt theory. That may be too difficult to find though, so I'll spell it out again.
I am a quarter Italian, a quarter Irish, and half African American. People often think I look Latino, Middle Eastern, or sometimes they nail it and say multi-racial. My skin is not white, and I feel no guilt for what has happened in the past. Once again you are making assumptions, and you are dead wrong.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Dice - people think you are Latino? You must be one handsome devil! :)
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful, we don't take kindly to that talk around here...this is AMERICA!
Haha, but seriously, I like to think so.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Conan
cain’s brown pride is a manifestation of his racial belief that there is something better about mexcian culture or brown skin color. i have no hatred for cain, but i do hate the use of race to divide people.
No it doesn’t represent superior anything, that is just your meaning and your meaning is wrong.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
if you take the time to look, you will see that it is not my definition. i didn't make it up. i found it by looking at radical mexican websites. it has filtered into the mainstream, but it's source is racial superiority.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are admittedly taking the beliefs of a fringe group and applying them to everyone else that has a Brown Pride tattoo even though Cain has NEVER said he supports any such beliefs. THAT, is ignorant.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
i'm analying the intricacies of latino culture by taking the beliefs of these groups, comparing them to mainstream latino special interest groups, noticing the commonalities between the two,
and extrapolating the reasons behind these similarities. Racial pride is the only logical answer.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting, I would like to know more about your methods and how you came to such a conclusion. How many of these radical groups have you studied, and how many of the mainstream Latino special interest groups have you studied? And by what quantifiable
process were you able to extrapolate the reasons? And further, how did this allow you to broad-stroke Cain with the same brush? Bad sociology and bad science lead to bad conclusions. I’m happy to peer-review for you. I’m guessing that your method has involved reading a couple of Wiki pages and extrapolating whatever damn information that you please from it.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
years of research. it is based on countless videos, newspaper articles, and website reviws
i also watch videos of politicians pandering to these groups and the speeches given durig their seminarsi have analyzed five mexica type groups and mainstream groups like la raza and the mexican consulate for evidence of what i am saying. i also took a college course called multiculturalism in the classroom. i learned that all CUST programs in colleges are basically anti white pro socialist indocrination camps.
in the course i took, the chapters were “america is racsist, america is greedy, america is sexist, america is biggotted” the class focussed on how the white male oppressed all these different groups.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
this post sums up what i am saying nicely. I believe there is an undercurrent of anti-white sentiment in the latino commmunity and it manifests itself as brown pride.
i’m analying the intricacies of latino culture by taking the beliefs of these groups, comparing them to mainstream latino special interest groups, noticing the commonalities between the two,
and extrapolating the reasons behind these similarities. Racial pride is the only logical answer.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Mind numbing crap. Using jargon and disguising it as pseudo science is hilarious.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
glad you enjoy it.
this seems to be the totality of your ability to contribute. maybe you go play with the sonner kid until the adults are done talking.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Brother, please.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No actually OJR is pretty much spot on. It's pseudo science which is BAD science. It's based on your opinion and is influenced by your worldview. It's not based on actual facts.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
we are talking about social science here which is psuedo science to begin with guys.
i have shown yall where to find the evidence for my way of thinking. puck broke out the websters, but that is the extent of the evidence your team has presented. in socialogy it is better to speak in terms of evidence than “facts.” you have presented nothing more than your opinion.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's sooner dude and I havne't been a kid for a long time.
As far as your argument goes, your just talking in circles no one is debating that their isn’t some anti white sentiment in any, or all racially based organizations. You were stating a opinion, that Cain Velasquez is a racist because he has a “Brown Pride” tattoo. We are arguing that you can still have pride in your race with out belittling another. Now let me entertain the idea that Cain is actually a racist and doesn’t like anyone but brown people as his tattoo states in your opinion. Is that Un-American? I mean we live in a country where we can hate any one we want for any reason and even if he’s racist that doesn’t mean he’s a separatist so what’s your point?
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there is a point, I think Conan was making a feable attempt to flex his intellectual might and failed miserably. You have raised good points, dooner. Check you later.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
so your argument is that even if cain is racist, that doesn't mean he necessarily wants to seperate from the u.s. because we have freedom of expression? maybe you aren't young, maybe you are on the other end of the spectrum you senile drooling idiot
you would have to ignore everything i have been talking about. all the mexican seperatist sentiment, all the anti-white sentiment, the influence of the mexica movement on things like “brown pride.” you would have to ignore the two sided coin of racial pride and shame. your points are not even relevant to the conversation. you don’t appear to be able to follow the conversation properly.
don’t believe dice when he says you make good points. i just flipped his world upside down. he is grasping for a lifeline, and desperate if he is reaching out to you.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole racial shame bullshit that you were spouting was to back up your claim that Cain is a racist for having "Brown Pride"
What the fuck are you talking about? It seems to me that you couldn’t back up your initial argument so you moved on to something different yet vaguely related to your original comment.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How does he "walk and talk" I don't ever remember him saying he that all the brown people should rise up.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you up for Sig Bet Round 2?
Hey Freenow, it’s been awhile. I figured you would have learned your lesson the last time you underestimated Cain, right before he beat the piss out of Big Nog. You up for another sig bet? You’re a man of your word, so i know you’re good for it.
btw……i agree with your prediction that Noons will kick the shit outta Diaz again……..so i see you going 1 for 2.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Brock wud have been unconcious being taken out on a double stretcher eating a shot like that from Kongo!
Funny how blind brocksuckers bring up the only 2 punchesthat Kongo landed like he ddnt get his ass beat for 15 minutes. Let’s see the clip of Brock folding up like a lawn chair from barley getting grazed by carwin. Who gassed on his way 2 the cage.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
d*locc you got tough times coming
First Noons is gonna beat your boy Diaz’s face to a pulp and then only 2 weeks later Brock will smash the little proud brown boy you are so fond off. I feel for you…
It's BROCKtober Bitches!
Lol. Wutever free I go but wut I've seen in the cage.
Brock hasn’t looked that impressive Cain has. Carwin is probly the slowest HW n the ufc & I think the oldest. I feel sorry for u crock suckers that R so proud of his win over carwin . Brock looked like a huge pile of ape shit against carwin & any1 in there right mind knows cains guns put a beating on him.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you really that naive that you believe a KOngo strike is as powerfull as a Carwin Strike?
Mir’s strieks are more powerfull than Kongo’s just ask Kongo and Mir is a better striker than Cain.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Kongo is a pretty accomplished striker and is built like a fucking gorilla.
I would bet that their striking power is comparable. Kongo throws a much cleaner punch Carwin just has brute force
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Your on glue if you think Kongo's KO power is near Carwins
Yes he’s a good striker I’m not argueing that and he does have power maybe we will see Kongo vs. Carwin and you will see who’s is more effective?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
They both have a bunch of KO wins.
The only real one punch knockout that Carwin has in the UFC is when he knocked that dudes mouth piece out. Every other one was followed up with strikes, except the Gonzaga one, Gabe might have been done before the follow up strikes.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides Brock nobody lasted a round with Carwin dooner
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Preaching to the choir buddy,
My only point was that Cheick Kongo can hit really hard too.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you that but not as hard a Carwin can hit
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Don't 4get gonzaga was wrecking the shit out of him before he got sloppy!
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah GG broke his nose thats it and pissed Cariwn off the end.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Puck R u really that naive that u think carwin is a better striker than Kongo?
I’m not saying who U think hits harder who’s the better striker. Kongo is more superior than carwin & lesnar put 2gether. Carwin hasn’t faced any strikers @ all.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's true he hasn't.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin's stand up is more effective than Kongo's
If you put boxing gloves on these guys Kongo probably wins the boxing match, with MMA gloves Carwins striking is more effective than Kongo’s.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sorry Carwins striking is more effective than Kongo's
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That is true due to the number of KO's between the 2. Carwin is brute force while Kongo is more technical.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
AA is more technical than Fedor but Fedor is more effective as well. There are many good strikers in MMA that lose striking battles becasue power is a huge advanatge with little gloves.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
AA forgot everything he knew except the 1-2
Yeah of course power is a huge advantage but all the power in the world doesn’t matter if you can’t hit the guy. Ask BJ where his power punching got him.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the ability to avoid or defend strikes
Carwin has connected on all his opponents so whats your point? Cain has been tagged many times in his career so really what is your point?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I think we lost it a while ago I was just trying to keep up with where I thought the conversation was going.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lmao!! Cain has been tagged many times in his career??
Kongo tagged him twice that’s it. All the reason u Brock buggers R making carwin legit can be said about Cain.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kongo was the only fight he shown to be rocked but there is reason he is known for having a iron chin
Go to you tube and watch his fights and comeback and tell me he hasn’t been tagged….good luck
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He Can Take a Hit...
But he shouldn’t have taken those shots. As I recall he took at least one big one in every round of that fight. Brock isn’t anywhere near the striker Kongo is, but I’ll bet he hits harder when he does. Hands up Cain.
Hooray Brocktober is here!
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
I love listening to the Brock haters go on about Brown Stain’s kickboxing, like it’s anything special. He doesn’t have anywhere near the power that Carwin does, so he is no threat to Brock. All Brock has to do is graze him with a punch to wobble Brown Stain enough to jump on him and pound him out.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I'm a Brock hater but that ain't why I'm picking Cain.
Brock hasn’t been some kinda of brutal takedown machine or anything, Couture got up from a Brock takedown and Carwin stuffed a few with ease. Cain pace, superior striking and mean mug will keep him competitive for sure.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
This is fail post of the week
“Couture got up from a Brock takedown” – Oh yeah, except for that last one from which Randy never stood back up
“Carwin stuffed a few with ease” – But not enough appearantly
“…mean mug will keep him competitive for sure” – No one’s “muggin’ meaner” than Brock (maybe nightmare sanchez)
“Brock hasn’t been some kinda of brutal takedown machine or anything” – Except for Herring, er wait, EVERYONE he’s fought
Couture got knocked out by a punch behind the ear from standing
Herring was getting double legged by Nog for Christ sake. When Brock shot in on people who could defend the takedown it wasn’t a sure thing.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin has a little more strength than Cain
Cain has more endurance sure but he doesn’t have the strength, were Brock has both. Did anybody think Carwin was going to be easy to takedown? But it took Carwin everything he had to keep it standing and was almost down the second attemt. Brock had a false sense of security that his stand up was much improved against Carwin. But stand up I would take Carwin over Cain anyday.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Carwin over Cain ?
Lol? – carwin has power, that’s it. Cain would school carwin standing up. Not to mention carwins cardio, Cain would get the ko in the 3rd
by danago on Oct 6, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carwin just hits hard I don't think his stand up is all that great.
I’ve never seen him really throw a combo or a feint or anything. He just knows how to throw a good punch and it’s been working well for him. I’m the most impressed with Schaub’s stand up right now.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree Dooner
Carwin is a power puncher, Cain is becoming a Technician if he isn’t one already. At least by MMA standards. Carwin HAD to stop Brock’s TD because he has no movement. so he used his experience and power to do so. Cain has speed, agility, experience and isn’t exactly the weakling of the division. Brock won’t having his way taking Cain down either. I’m not saying Cain will KO Brock, but he’ll definitely out point him and possibly cut him and/or TKO in the championship rounds.
Dooner thx for answering Jshock’s elementary reply.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
LOL
Carwin will beat Cain as well the 2 best HW’s in the division are Brock and Carwin. Cain striking is no wear near as effective as Carwins who has one punch KO power standing still were Cain has KO power but no were near Carwins and when he KO NOG he had a lot of momentum going forward. Cain might be more technical but Carwin’s standing is much more effective.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Carwin has one punch KO power
no doubt. But he has to connect. Same was said about Toney…all he has to do is connect. Carwin has TDD which is the only thing that sets him apart from Toney. He COULD use his wrestling and get people down and work them like Brock does but he chooses not to. So for Carwin to beat Cain he’d have to connect dead on…and yes, if he did so, Cain would be out instantly. But I don’t see Carwin getting that clear of a shot due to Cain’s ability to move, ability to stay away and capacity to use leg kicks. That’s the thing about Cain, he’s not one or even two dimensional…he’s working on being well rounded and at least good at everything.
As far as the two behemoths being the best two HW’s, that’s still to be seen. JDS and Cain have legitimate claims to that title. If a loss to Brock doesn’t knock Carwin out of that race, why would a loss to Brock knock Cain out of it? He’s still shown more improvement and MMA knowledge than all 3. I say that ONLY because I haven’t seen JDS on the ground yet although I’m sure his ground game is probably better than Brock’s. And there MUST be a reason why the majority of fighters that I’VE SEEN asked say Cain is the best MMA fighter…I’m sure I’ll get shit for that one but oh well.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
JDS's ground game is better than Brocks? LMFA that was funny Onemansyn
Being sarcastic I take it LOl good job I’m still laughing.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
We haven't seen his ground game
so we can’t definitely say it one way or the other but I think training with the Nogs would definitely give JDS the advantage.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
JDS ground game will not be as good as Mir's
Brocks is most likely the best in the HW division onemansyn.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
lol when you say my name i feel chastised lol.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
LOL not my intensions Onemansyn
It’s happen to many times were my comment dropped under another name.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I know dude lol.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Cain would be a damn fool to throw a single kick against Brock. That just make it that much easier for Brock to put Cain on his ass and wail on him.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Damn free, you've been approaching troll status the past couple of days. Making claims without backing them up, parroting other posters, etc. What happened?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Brocktober happened!
Bunch of noobs trying to tell me that Cain is now this great fighter and Overeem is #1 heavyweight in the world.
You think Cain would even attempt to kick Brock? Do you really think he has a chance against him at all? This fight is a joke and Cain should have never gotten the title shot. If anyone deserves it it’s JDS, but the correct thing to do actually would be to have Cain and Junior slug it out for the shot.
It's BROCKtober Bitches!
when you're backing Brock
lets talk about “deserving” a title shot. And that’s all I’ll say about that topic.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
This is an old topic
Brock was lucky to get one yes but he was one of the best options at the time as Cain is as well now. Don’t get me wrong I think Cain is the 3rd best in the UFC right now.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Come on Onemansyn...
Cain has no chance. Brock got the title, so obviously he deserved it.
Meet me back here if Brock loses to Cain and I will bow down to you. But realistically I won’t even be excited, because it’s obvious that Brock will destroy Cain.
It's BROCKtober Bitches!
LOL K
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
I do agree with Free that JDS should have gotten the 1st crack after Carwin.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Carwin didn't deserve the 1st crack
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. JDS did, IMO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no doubt Cain, JDS and Carwin were the top three choices and they all will have a crack at it
Does it really matter who gets the first, 2nd and 3rd?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yes.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Results can always change depending on match ups.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
When it comes down to Cain and JDS
they are both deserving and there is arguement for both sides. Cain getting the first shot I don’t think is anything to complain about?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yes, that is true.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Oct 6, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Free yur trolling hard core =D
Brock really deserved his title shot his 2nd fight in his career =D yur man love for Brock is joke. Brocktobet is joke w/ Brock’s 5 greatest fights =D. It was probly tough for the ufc 2 narrow down his soooo many wars. 1/2 against frank Mir.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brock has proved he was worthy of a title shot
Deserve has nothing to do with anything, just a bunch haters crying for no reason.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Being a Brock fan & bitching about Cain not deserving a title is horse shit.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who's bitching?
I’ll say it again just for you. I think Cain is the 3rd best but deserves the #2 ranking with Carwin losing.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So you don't think Cain will throw ANY kicks?
damn…i’d almost put money on that.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
I’m not saying he will or won’t, I’m saying he’s stupid if he does. The first kick he throws that is anywhere near Brock, Brock will catch it and dump Cain on the mat. And I don’t think anyone here believes Cain will get out from under Brock unless he’s saved by the bell.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I agree, PW.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think he'll throw low leg kicks
AND i think if Brock takes him down, his wrestling will neutralize Brock, if not, he’ll get back to his feet. I’m biased, admittedly. But I truly believe this.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Not a smart strategy vs. a wrestler of Brock's caliber.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
but Brock isn't your everyday Wrestler either
Most wrestler’s don’t have one punch KO power. Most wrestlers couldn’t anal rape a rhino’s wife and as he makes the rhino video tape it still give him a bro hug after demanding the tape.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
I didn't even bother to read your two paragraph essay
but I don’t need to. If it is anything like your last comment about how Brock has weak takedowns, I am done….
Cain's stand up looks like its light years ahead of Brock's. We all know this will come down to TDD, anyway.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Go put all ya cash on Cain kids. Do it.
Do it, trust me. There is no way brock can keep up with Cain. Expect Cain to move about, avoid tkd which he can, as he has the wrestling and SPEED to do so. Cain will just pick brock apart untill the 4 + 5 when Brock gas no option to quit.
by danago on Oct 6, 2010 11:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Light years ahead LOL
Becoause of one fight his stand up is good, if you judged Brock by his one fight against Couture you would say the same. Cain surprised NOG, NOG was waiting for the TD.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
It's very apparent that Cain's striking is VERY superior to Brock's. Brock looked downright pathetic on his feet against Carwin.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
And Cain looked downright pathetic on the feet against Kongo.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Technically Cain is better but he doesn't have the KO power of Carwin
Yes with the momentum he had against NOG with his strike lunging forward he might get close to Carwin standing still striking power but against Brock if he attacked like that he would be on his ass. Carwins strikes are maybe the most effective JDS is by far the superior striker in the division but Carwins strikes have been as effective as JDS"s. With bigger gloves yeah maybe Cain would be a better striker but with MMA gloves Carwin is right with JDS for effectiviness.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I'm not arguing about whether or not Cain is as good of a striker as Carwin or JDS, just that he's a better striker than Brock. No one has said anything to argue that.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
What I'm saying Dice is Brock doesn't have to worry about Cain's strikes as much as Carwins
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Ok, cool, I agree with you on that. Never said anything to the contrary.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
He didn't turn and run, which is about as bad as it gets. Cain has also showed improvement in his striking, and Brock hasn't.
My argument is that Cain’s striking is better than Brocks. Cains performance against Kongo isn’t enough to sway that opinion.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Most likely if Cain ate a Carwin shot he wouldn't be able to so call "run"
Brock wanted to avoid Carwins wrath and really wasn’t running as many want to make it sound he wanted to get away from carwins strikes witch I think most would, Cain might look better at backing out than Brock did but there is little doubt if he got tagged by one of Carwins shots he wouldn’t be moving forward like he did against Kongo most likely he would be KO. It may not of looked pretty how Brock backed out but he did the right thing get out of distance of the Carwin strikes. When he did get seperation he came forward.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I guess that's one way of putting it
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
And Mir is a better striker than Cain as well Dice
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You can only make that claim based on MMA math of Mir catching Kongo with one strike. I could also say Cain's striking is superior because it took about 3 combo's for him to finish Nog where it took about 30 of Mir's. That goes both ways.
I don’t think that Mir’s striking is better than Cain’s, and I REALLY don’t think that Brock’s striking is close to Cains.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
No math needed Dice
Both Cain and Mir’s striking is better than Brocks I’m not argueing that either. Brock has a chance if he lands a strike standing of coarse but for him to have the best chance he needs the fight on the ground no doubt. But I don’t think Cain will have as big an advanatge as many think because of the Carwin fight thats all.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
No math needed? So why do you say that Mir's striking is superior to Cains?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Just by watching
Right now Cain only has one fight under his belt were it’s even comparable to Mir’s. Now Cain all around I think is a better fighter but standuing I would give to Mir.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
In what other fights has Mir's standup looked good? He feinted the TD and through an overhand that caught Kongo. That was smart and good strategy, but I don't think it proves much for his standup. The only other fight is Nog, where Cain looked more
impressive of the two. Cain has better angles, better movement, a more diverse striking skillset with the better kicks. I don’t see how Mir has the advantage in the striking department.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Against NOG he was very aggressive and careless
But lucky for him it was NOG he was going against as NOG’s fist on the KO strike was a inch away himself if that was someone with a little longer reach like Mir and more powerfull like Mir Cain would of been on his back as well hell if NOG was just a little bit faster he could of connected first. this is the fight everybody is so impressed with Cains stand up by and it really wasn’t impressive as far as skill but aggressivness and pace agaisnt any other top fighter including Kongo he could of been in trouble but he knew NOG was worried about his TD and a smart gameplan.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I disagree with your assesment about him being careless against Nog, but thanks for explaining.
As far as the Kongo fight, he got hit HARD flush on the chin twice, right at the start of the fight. I think it’s tough to gather much from that fight except that Kongo’s a mental midget and Cain has a ton of heart. I find it hard to imagine that Cain ever fully recovered from those shots during the fight. Nog didn’t appear worried about the TD, he’s always been happy to go to the ground in the past. He was dropping his hands like Kongo did against Mir, they were just both throwing and Cain got the better of him. I don’t think it’s a fair assesment to say that Nog was worried about the TD, because he didn’t appear to be. Anyway, I’ve never been impressed with Mir’s standup, and I’m really not that impressed with Cains either. I just think it’s better.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
I 100% agree about Cain having a ton of heart and thats what I believe is his biggest attribute. All around he might be the most complete HW fighter. Good stand up and great grappling. In the stand up I believe he is not as effective as you believe but I can admit I might be wrong. But with his combo he will tough to beat for anyone and right now I do believe h is the top contender with Carwin lossing. But I think Carwin will climb back up, I would love to see a Cain and Carwin fight!
We will see how effective Cains stand up is agaisnt Brock but I truely don’t believe it will e near as effective as Carwins. when you look at the KO punch Cain connected against NOG it was a haymaker and he was less than a inch away from being hit himself. His leg kicks and aggression were very effective against NOG but agaisnt Brock I don’t think that will be the case. But thats why they fight Cain might prove me wrong but I highly doubt it LOL.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Won't argue with this. It should be a great fight. I would really like to see at least a 4-round war. These guys both have great determination so I want to see them go at it for a while.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Agree Dice it should be a great fight I give brock a 60/40 chance.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I posted it LOOKS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD - not that it was... Here is an LOL for you, though. Fuck it - here are a whole bunch LOLLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Probably you because of your patented "I have nothing better to say so I will try to minimalize your post with a mocking 'LOL'" that you love so much.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
?? Yeah because I never have anything to say
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Not what I was saying. I was saying that when you don't have a solid point, you revert to LOL in an attempt to marginalize what the other poster says. You do often have points though, just referring to when you don't and say LOL.
Whatever, OJR’s a big boy, he can correct me if he wants. Not my place anyway. Sorry.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Okey Dokey
Besides laughing at the statement JDS probably has a better ground game than Brock(that made me laugh) I would liek to know were revert to LOL and didn’t make a statement to debate with?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
"Light years ahead LOL"-you have done this NUMEROUS times while debating. I witnessed it about 30 times firsthand in the thread where we were arguing about Coutures shot on Toney.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
So I laugh doesn't mean I don't debate
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
G squat, freenow, pdub
Even though I totally agree that Brock hits much harder than Kongo
do you think Cain’s striking and movement haven’t improved since that fight?
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Do you think Brock’s striking haven’t improved since the Carwin experiment?
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
No
It hasn’t really improved ever from what I can tell.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I don’t think Brock’s been improving his standing. I think he’s been working his ground. Someone with Brock’s strength is ok with just using his power and looking to connect. I think he likes the idea that he will get people to the ground and would like to use more than just gnp to finish. Carwin on the other hand, will also work his ground but to get up and out of submissions. No one else is getting Carwin down EXCEPT Brock, maybe Cain, so he’s still concentrating on KO’ing people with power as well. Whereas Cain doesn’t have the strength advantage those two have and has to work on EVERY aspect of his game.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
You Know What Brock Packs in His "Lunchbox Fists"?
… A knuckle sandwich. Cain looks hungry.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
This primetime is going to be EPIC
It’ll lose something with Brock’s new attitude because it doesnt make him as polarizing. He’s no longer an absolute heel. But his new found philosophy on things might just make him interesting in a whole new aspect. And now Cain’s story/background will be polarizing to many.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Cain is as boring as they come. They are going to have a hard time making him seem interesting in the Primetime
It's BROCKtober Bitches!
Agreed, Free.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I'm not counting on Cain being interesting
I’m counting on people hating his background and life story for people to tune in to hate him. Or love him for it. I think that’s what they’re counting on as well. That and Brock is an instant rating boost.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
I want Brock to be the heel. I need Brock to be the heel. If Brock turns out to be a "nice guy" - I will be disappointed.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't know man...he's been pretty calm and respectful the last few interviews
I’m sure he still has a bit of cockiness about him…but by the last few videos of him, he’s turned it down quite a bit.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Brock is just a country boy that happened to join the WWE and play the role that carried over to MMA
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I actually agree with OJR. I don’t want Brock making nice-nice with his opponents. I want him to say that he’s going to brutalize them, then go out and brutalize them, then laugh at them afterward.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Me, too. I love to hate that sumbitch!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Sumbitch you say? I guess you have spent some time in Texas, LOL.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Yup - about 4 months training in Dallas/Ft Worth area. Also been to the Red River Shootout and Texas Fair.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
If Frank had won the title....
…..we’d have to celebrate Mirch.
does anyone know when the new playboy comes out
by DBG on Oct 6, 2010 12:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brocks got this one easily.
Cain couldn’t beat Kongo and almost lost.
Brock Almost lost to Carwin.
Which one of those 2 are in the top 10? Carwin.
Cain is overrated and you guys are all falling for UFC’s hype. “knockout specialist.” LOLOLOL
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch and Gray Maynard can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
Chael Sonnen = Pillow hands
Oh and Frank Mir sucks and no one can prove otherwise.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
actually knockout specialist is pretty funny when talking about Cain, you gotta admit OJR
UFC hyped this guy up so much, it’s gonna be tough for him once he drops his next couple.
It's BROCKtober Bitches!
they called him a KO specialist?
cause even I agree that’s silly
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
watch the previews..
it shows him knocking over that cardboard cut-out that they put up of Big Nog and it goes “KNOCKOUT SPECIALIST CAIN VELASQUEZ!”
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch and Gray Maynard can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
Chael Sonnen = Pillow hands
Oh and Frank Mir sucks and no one can prove otherwise.
well that's stupid
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
I cant find the video anymore =\ haha
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch and Gray Maynard can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
Chael Sonnen = Pillow hands
Oh and Frank Mir sucks and no one can prove otherwise.
I believe you. Promos usually have one or two really outlandish ridiculous things to say
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
What would you call him?
A TKO specialist?’
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 6, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yur right they shudnt call him a knock out machine cuz he tko'd 90% of his opponents.
That’s just silly.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cain tko'd every1 besides Kongo. & Kongo wasn't seconds away from being finished by Cain.
U guys R f’ing hilarious. I bet when Cain beats the shit out of Brock U clowns will still call him overated.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, Tuf nub, your boy gonna spend the 1st 30 seconds dancing around, then he's gonna throw a leg kick and get taken to the mat for a 2 minute dinner served of juevos brock-cheros, before tappin due to strikes.
Alternate scenerio- Cain punches Brock in the face, Brock pulls guard for 3 mins till he finds a way to sweep, then Cain taps due to strikes
Brock already tapped inside the cage!
His time it’s guna be from strikes! Brock has the most horible stand up in the ufc besides Tim Hague.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 6, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No I think Cain is the third best but deserves right now to be ranked #2 d*locc
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I wholeheartedly agree about the ridiculous hype, Free.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
This will be brocks easiest fight in the ufc and yes that includes his fight with heath
by phatmacjuggalo10 on Oct 6, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
Except for Heath I agree.
He has to watch out for his hands and the possibility of TDD. Other then that is’s smooth sailing.
His size should out weigh the speed. Pressuring him against the cage will eliminate his striking and speed. And possibly his TDD if he is expecting the double leg.
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch and Gray Maynard can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
Chael Sonnen = Pillow hands
Oh and Frank Mir sucks and no one can prove otherwise.
Mma mania - now a political forum
Get a grip people, all this mexican american trash talk is boring and pointless. Cain has a soft spot for his herritage, don’t we all! And why not, his hard working hispanic genes have given him the heart and determination to succeed in a sport which has never seen a HW Mexican champion. Cain is American but feels passionately about his mexican roots, my guess is that when he visits Mexico he’ll suddenly feels very American!
On the fight, I think Cain’s trainer had it spot on… Valasquez is superior on the feet, on the ground, in grappling and in submissions. Brock has the size and possibly power advantage but brock has no heart. Carwin exposed Brock’s lack of manhood whn he bludgeoned lesnar only to see him turn and run away from the punishment! I expect Cain to do the same but not gas!
"In the future, I will fight my clone!" - Anderson Silva, Fan Expo 2010.
by The Grecian Glaswegian on Oct 7, 2010 8:44 AM EDT reply actions
hard working hispanic genes? implies that other genes are not as hard working
i think the nazis used to say their genes were better too. cain is this years gonzaga, overhyped, never faced top competition, and about to get put in his place….just like randy did to gonzaga.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 9, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
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