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Bas Rutten's Top 10 Heavyweights

On the latest episode of Inside MMA Bas Rutten presented his own ranking of the top ten heavyweights:

  1. Alistair Overeem
  2. Fedor Emelianenko
  3. Brock Lesnar
  4. Junior dos Santos
  5. Fabricio Werdum
  6. Cain Velasquez
  7. Shane Carwin
  8. Frank Mir
  9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
  10. Antonio Silva

Bas is a likeable and knowledgable guy, he's a legend of the sport, but like anyone else who puts together his own list, Bas's list is debatable.

As an example, Overeem -- or Ubereem, the new and improved monster we see today -- hasn't lost an MMA fight since losing to Sergei Kharitonov in 2007, and excluding a No Contest with Cro Cop, he's finished all his opponents in the first round, except for Buentello, who he stopped in the second. He's been in fantastic form lately, yet despite tearing through his opponents, none of them -- except for a couple of arguable exceptions -- would even be considered to be in the top 20.

He has still been impressive because despite fighting lesser quality opponents he has won very convincingly even though he was expected, even obligated, to do so. His most recent victory was over Brett Rogers whom he threw about with ease in a one-sided beatdown, a guy who Fedor -- a perennial number one and arguably the best fighter of all time -- struggled with (before he knocked his head into the stratosphere).

But despite Overeem's improved physique and winning streak, I would have to disagree with Bas because, as I mentioned earlier, the quality of Overeem's opponents is not enough to justify placing him right at the top of the list above many other guys who are in the mix fighting their fellow top ten constituents. I would, however, certainly place him at number 4 or 5, but he would have to fight a few top ten guys to be placed any higher.

As for Fedor, Bas made a good point that he's suffered only one loss recently and now many people are writing him off like he's a can, as though he's overrated and isn't worth all the hype which surrounds him. But of that loss, he got caught by a BJJ master. He was impatient, he was reckless, and he was dry. It was a mistake of his own, perhaps an overestimation of his ability to shrug off a submission attempt. But he wasn't beaten down or dominated, he underestimated Werdum's chance of success (possibly due to never, in his whole career, being submitted by anyone in an MMA fight). He's human, he made a mistake, and I wager he would still be the favorite if they were to fight again today. So Bas's positioning of Fedor, though arguable, is certainly justified.

Many might scoff at Brock being placed at number 3, but like Bas said, he'd like to see Brock not shy away from getting hit, where he tends to hold his head away awkwardly, evidently not quite used to being hit like a fighter should be. He's not quite comfortable at striking and it'll eventually be his downfall and I can understand how some could see that Overeem and Fedor have a great chance of defeating him. But Overeem's resume and Fedor's recent form -- losing to Werdum and apparently starting to lose interest -- aren't quite enough to place them above Brock, the champion of the best MMA promotion in the world in a division with six fighters in the top ten.

It's also good to see Bas giving due credit to Antonio Silva who seems to get overlooked by a lot of people. He's a tough and durable fighter whose recent form more than justifies his place in the ten.

To conclude, overall, despite the glaring audacity to place Overeem at top spot because "he's from Holland" (which Bas jokingly admitted), Bas's list is well put together and is for the most part correct, at least for the reason that the right fighters are in there and the placement is close to the proper order of things. More or less.

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How exactly is Bas a "legend" of MMA?

He’s fought a total of three fights in MMA…against chumps… where he looked less than impressive.

A legend of pancrase he might be but absolutely certainly not a legend of MMA.

Now to the list, its good all around except for #1 obviously, Overeem is not even top 10 at the moment caus the only one he’s beaten in years is Rogers who aint even in the top 10 so how could he be?

by Lester The Pimp on Oct 3, 2010 6:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I consider him a legend most definitely. He’s been around a long time, he’s an inimitable persona in the MMA world, and he’s a former champion. Not that those attributes are the criteria for being a legend, but he is. Bas is great. He’s funny as well. Also, to some he might not be funny, that’s fair enough, but anyone who doesn’t like him has no damn taste.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

But I gotta say, Lester, I thought it was pretty much universally accepted that he is a legend and it’s interesting to see how you or anyone was does not think so. Perhaps I took the solidity of his placement as a legend for granted. But either way, as I said, I consider him to be. But your viewpoint is interesting nonetheless.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd probably say bas is a "legend"

Granted, you look back on his MMA record and it aint that impressive, but if you’re going to be ultra critical, neithers ken Shamrocks, royce gracies etc and they’re always labelled as “legends”.

by attakdog on Oct 3, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, good point A-Dog. I guess it comes down to what one defines a legend to be, and the same goes for speculating what an icon is as well.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bas is definitely a product of his time....

you can’t try to sell his resume like it is something special so i would never compare him to someone like a saku or hughes. That’s why we need to make distinction between pioneer and legend. Legend is someone with serious accolades in teh sport, enduring legacy and the competitive resume to go with it. A pioneer is more like Kevin Jackson, or TK – minor names, no big accomplishments as far as resumes but they were critical to the evolution of MMA. Jackson was the first to learn how to sprawl and brawl. The TK-LilShammy-Jackson alliance is the first known gym coop that would be an exchange of knowlege between wresters-grapplers and strikers,……things like that. I mean let’s take “the legend” himself – would anyone compare lil shammy to fucking matt hughes hell no (at least i hope) but they both impacted the sport on different levels.

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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said, NNR.

I agree. There should be a delineation between the terms. Icon, pioneer, legend etc. Good point.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is jds not in red print like the others?

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 3, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s just Mania’s, or SB Nation’s, linking system. It does it automatically. (Or doesn’t in dos Santos’ case.)

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The personality alone makes him a Legend...

just like Bruce Buffer and Big John are becoming legends(surrounding the sport), they don’t have to be a fighter to be one but Bas was a fighter , so i don’t see the point…plus he promotes the sport as well as anybody

by Robert(1) on Oct 7, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for Overeem, that’s a valid point you make, but I disagree. He’s good enough to be in the top 10. For as good as he is, I can’t see — despite his lower-tiered opponents — how he couldn’t be in the top ten. But I can understand how one might not rank him in the top 5.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly wouldn't rank him top 5, 8 to 10 at best.

I cant buy into the Overeem hype, the guy lost to anyone he ever fought who was decent at LHW, he suddenly puts on some muscle mass and he’s now an awesome HW?? The guys best win at HW is over brett Rogers. Then there’s the small matter of that new and improved physique. I need to see him get a couple of quality wins at HW before I buy into the hype. If he could convincingly beat Werdum or even Barnett, that would be a start.

by attakdog on Oct 3, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right again

I need to see him get a couple of quality wins at HW before I buy into the hype.

That’s crucial really. Because he’s been winning, perhaps guys like Bas and myself are rating him too high too quickly. Maybe I’m biased myself for putting him at 4 or 5 because I’m a huge fan. Maybe 5 or 6, or 6 or 7 is more reasonable (given that I rate him a little higher than you, most likely because I can’t shake this bias!)

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think people inadvertedly factor in his impressive K1 performances and let that cloud their judgment somewhat

Who has he beaten at HW in MMA??? off the top of my head:
Mark hunt
Paul Buentello
James Thompson
Iron head Fujita
Brett Rogers
Gary Goodridge

Thats hardly a who’s who of relevant HW’s and certainly isn’t a record I can get excited about. As i said before, it needs a couple of quality additions to that list before he can be considered near the top 5! To place him at number one bas is laughable.

by attakdog on Oct 3, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it’s pretty crazy to put him at number one.

Of all the acquisitions I want to see in the UFC, even above Fedor, is Ubereem. But even if it doesn’t happen — who I am kidding? it won’t happen — on the plus side, Strikeforce’s HW division is getting deeper with guys like Bigfoot, Barnett, Fedor, Werdum etc.

I’d like to see him smash Barnett, not that I don’t like Barnett, but I’d just like to see it.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

Although I would predict a KO from Alistair. I don’t think Barnett could dominate him on the ground, nor overpower him, and he’d be even less likely to get the advantage on the feet. Overeem all the way!

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it will be interesting to see how Barnett looks clean.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Oct 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now to the list, its good all around except for #1 obviously, Overeem is not even top 10 at the moment caus the only one he’s beaten in years is Rogers who aint even in the top 10 so how could he be?

Maybe if you read beyond the first line you would be able to ask a question which hasn’t already been addressed you stupid motherfucker.

But good stuff, Lester. Keep up the good work :)

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

remind me never to fire on Bas . :)

HUghes is gonna beat the crap out of BJ Again! The only chance BJ has of winning is if he switches to Danago’s gym

by BJPennfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can you please send me your address

So I can send Bas there to punch you in the liver.

Before the UFC became big, Pancrase was huge. And this guy is a legend. He`s the man.

by judomania on Oct 5, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post Jack.

I do have Overeem in the top ten but at the lower end of the list. Bas makes some good points.

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by Yan117 on Oct 3, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, Yan. It is pretty interesting that he would place him right on the top. Maybe his joke about Overeem being from Holland had some truth to it, which indicates Bas is a little biased. But that’s the problem with rankings, sometimes we lean toward who the fighters have fought to earn their position, and sometimes we rank them based on who we think would win. I think one has to judge it coming somewhere from the middle. Like for me, I’d probably say Overeem could currently beat at least half of the top ten, yet some of those guys I wouldn’t put him higher than because he hasn’t exactly earned it due to the less than stellar opponents he’s faced.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, that’s right. He’s the latest village idiot indeed.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 3, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maher is just a ignorant hater

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson

by Puck Head on Oct 3, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only one on that list that has been an amount of names is..

Brock. He has won against two of them, soon to be 3.

Who else on that list has fought any top tier people in the last 3 years? Werdum beat both fedor and Overeem. but is still behind them because he hasn’t beat anyone else with a name. While they haven’t beaten anyone either.

Cain is over hyped and he Ko’d a guy standing still and that’s it.

Brock is the only one that has had any “big names” infact every one of his fights (except for the first) was a challenge.

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Jon Fitch and Gray Maynard can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
Chael Sonnen = Pillow hands
Oh and Frank Mir sucks and no one can prove otherwise.

by D-MoB on Oct 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Works for me.

Any list that doesn’t have Brock at number 1 is fine with me.

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by MMACHAMP on Oct 3, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

~ my top 10 ranked HW fighters

1- fedor
2- brockness
3- cain(toss up)
4- dos santos(toss up)
5- carwin
6- mir
7- werdum
8- big nog
9- overeem
10- big foot (but it could be a couple different fighters)

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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um

by ricky~dooby on Oct 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Fedor JUST lost, there is no way in hell he can be first.

Frank Mir just took home Cro cop’s chin like he did to Big Nog. I need to stop bitching and judging with my anger and stop raging. Even joe Rogan said Mir is one of the best BJJ HW’s in the workd and Joe knows way more then I do about MMA. All hail guyverbob and Frank Mir, And hopefully Cro cop with win one more time then retire.

by jay. on Oct 3, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

to me that doesnt mean shit especially the way he lost

Im looking at the overall body of work and fedor is the most accomplished HW ever and desevers to be if not # 1 than # 2 and no lower than that.

all that fight proved is that fedor doesnt hesitate to go in for the kill hes a finisher he went to finish his opponent and got caught. He is ganna beat werdum in a rematch and anyone else that faces him

by dia mette on Oct 3, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying that results don't matter when it comes to ranking. Just your personal opinion.

Makes sense.

Fedor isn’t allowed to be ranked higher than Werdum. Period.

Frank Mir just took home Cro cop’s chin like he did to Big Nog. I need to stop bitching and judging with my anger and stop raging. Even joe Rogan said Mir is one of the best BJJ HW’s in the workd and Joe knows way more then I do about MMA. All hail guyverbob and Frank Mir, And hopefully Cro cop with win one more time then retire.

by jay. on Oct 3, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just my opinion what about when

serra beat gsp at 69 everyone knew gsp was still the best ww. Werdum himself after his victory said that fedor is still the best because he knows he loses that fight 99 out of 100 times.

by dia mette on Oct 3, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't really matter what "everyone knew". Serra was still ranked higher than GSP after that fight.

Frank Mir just took home Cro cop’s chin like he did to Big Nog. I need to stop bitching and judging with my anger and stop raging. Even joe Rogan said Mir is one of the best BJJ HW’s in the workd and Joe knows way more then I do about MMA. All hail guyverbob and Frank Mir, And hopefully Cro cop with win one more time then retire.

by jay. on Oct 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

So when GSP lost to Serra...

Serra was a better fighter?… Werdum is better than Fedor now?

by Robert(1) on Oct 7, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

in all honesty

i believe lesnar is the current # 1 and fedor # 2 but after ufc 121 its ganna be cain # 1 and fedor still at # 2

by dia mette on Oct 3, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

jokes

so just because overeem finaly takes on fight in the us against a tire man who came off of a KO loss, people magicly think he is number 1? He hasnt fought jack shit for heavyweights in mma

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by GOLDIGGAH on Oct 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct

He also lost to any elite fighter at lhw who he ever fought. But hey he’s beaten james thompson and gary goodridge, who are we kidding he’s clearly awesome!!!

by attakdog on Oct 3, 2010 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

lmfao yea seriously

james thompson and gary goodridge , just looking at those fight on his recent fights is jokes

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by GOLDIGGAH on Oct 3, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good list. Legend, ha! You’re crazy.

"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
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by Eduardo Cruz on Oct 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s funny, you guys who dispute it act as though you’ve never heard him be referred to as a legend before. Fair enough you disagree, but it’s a common precedence before his name. But NNR is right; to be technical, he may be better suited to being called a “pioneer.” I think in a lot of cases “legend” takes on the general definition of the venerated notables where precision would be more prudent instead. But either way, I seem him as a legend/pioneer. But pioneer is really just an old school legend isn’t it, in MMA’s case, when the sport had not quite matured to what it is today.

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by Jackanapes on Oct 4, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bas is a legend and Overeem is a beast.

Nuff said. Anyone who says otherwise are just looking for any excuse to deny the obvious.
How is Bas not a legend and Why is Overeem not considered one of the best?
That shit baffles me, seriously!! I mean, have we ever heard anyone mention Bas in any other term than Legend of the sport, I mean c’mon give the guy his fucking Props!! And Overeem could possibly win against any Heavyweight fighter on the planet in a fight, and no one could dispute that fact……………..some people just wanna make stupid arguments just for the sake of it, gimme a fucking break. Overeem is constantly improving in every possible way, he is not the Pride Overeem, he is the new improved Wrecking machine 2010 model, the guy is a fucking animal,again, give the man some fucking respect!!

CroCop is an embarrassment to the Pride name. He tarnished his legacy beyond repair. Mitrione should have been fighting Mir to make that fight competitive.

Does Mirko Cro Cop look like a bitch? Then why did Frank Mir f*ck him like one.

by tkkpal on Oct 4, 2010 6:31 AM EDT reply actions  

How is a guy with three fights a legend?

He may be a pioneer and general great guy, but a legend he is not.

Frank Mir just took home Cro cop’s chin like he did to Big Nog. I need to stop bitching and judging with my anger and stop raging. Even joe Rogan said Mir is one of the best BJJ HW’s in the workd and Joe knows way more then I do about MMA. All hail guyverbob and Frank Mir, And hopefully Cro cop with win one more time then retire.

by jay. on Oct 4, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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