NostraMaine-iac: Did Tim Sylvia predict Brock Lesnar's future back in 2007?
by Jesse Holland on Oct 24, 2010 4:59 PM EDT
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Sounds like he came pretty close based on his late 2007 interview with Steve Cofield on ESPN 1100:
"I don’t think he’s going to have a future in MMA ... He’s a baby. Don’t kick him [because] he doesn’t want to get hurt. He’s a helluva wrestler and he’s strong. But he can’t punch and doesn’t know how to kick. He can only go straight forward. He can’t survive as just a takedown guy."
After watching former UFC Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar turtle under the striking of both Shane Carwin at UFC 116 and more recently Cain Velasquez at UFC 121 last Saturday night (Oct. 23), serious questions remain about Lesnar's ability to survive as a title contender when paired with heavy-handed strikers who can stay off the mat. Was Sylvia, who spent some time training with Lesnar prior to his UFC 81 debut, accurate in his assessment of the former WWE star? Or was "The Maine-iac" just taking potshots to keep his fading career in the spotlight?
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It may seem like sour grapes from back then, but the accuracy of his statement and his experience with him means he was probably on to something. Lesnar was always a prima donna whether in pro wrestling or anything else.
People were saying he didn’t like to get hit as far back as after the Couture fight.
I think Sylvia’s spot on here. Good call by him.
Nostra-timmy?
HAHA…. Don’t know about timmy, but Bas Rutten definitely predicted it a few weeks ago on Inside MMA.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Poopy was right....
i mean there was that rumor about them in the gym and brock not being cool with getting hit. If you also remember there was another rumor with Brett Rogers hitting brock in the gym and causing issues that made Brett leave the gym…..which was right around the time Brock bailed from Minnesota Martial Arts Academy and set up his own shit.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
NNR...
Who else besides you and I took massive amounts of sh*t for trying to explain why Cain would win?
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
I know it sucks cole but what can we do except try to teach them better hahaha
We were there from the start and now it seems like Cain “had” all these supporters all along. I don’t remember where they were though.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What did you think about Kampmann / Shield?
I am of the Mind that Martin actually should have got the nod. Shield was on top for a long time, but he never even attempted a sub. Martin had more sub attempts and definitely got the better on the feet.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
NNR its not about supporting Cain
I picked him for the obvious reasons he is a better wrestler and hes bigger then Couture(and couture was beating brock till he got clipped) +has better striking and all around is a much better fighter then Brock….In otherwords there was no reason for him to lose the Vanilla Gorilla(the ufc hype behind brock only works up to the fight not during the fight).
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 24, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Cain was gonna win and picked him in the pool. Plenty of other people picked him in the pool as well. I just don’t bother explaining all my views to everyone all the time and anything I would have said had been said already at some point or another so what’s the point?
I had cain by domination as well, couple things I noticed which bothered me about CSAC again, I notice the little things
1) first off did anybody notice the old retard at the wiegh ins telling each fighter how to undress and step on a scale
2) did anyody nitce the csac loser standing in brocks corner for some dumd fucking reason instead of disdretely on the side of the corner where he is supposed to be cuase nobody gives a fuck to see them, No this dumbass is standing right in the corner right where the fighter was supposed to be, maybe he was trying to live his dream of he felt he should have been CAlifornia is a fucking joke for sure
3) although brock looks the part very well we all no hes not a fighter with that being said one of the highlights of the night for me that had me rolling was when brock for shoved that cop during walk in that was classic
The cop shove was hilarious
I always appreciate unintentional comedy like that on MMA shows. Especially when I’m drunk.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
does your MOTHER know you were drinking? :O
by xquisitewretch on Oct 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I went back home for this weekend
And we don’t have any daft ages for drinking over here so I’m free to drink as much as I can afford.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Me
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 25, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Schaub was right
he left Minnesota MMA to set up the new team hammer house! Training partners include Chris Tuchscherer, Jon Madsen, Cole Konrad, seeing a trend here, is Pat Barry the only striker there?? He once said that he has a head like a ball pin hammer, an inflatable one perhaps, this man needs to go to other camps, i mean his strategist for his fights is a former wrestler, and brocks wrestling looked average last night! Who knows if he’ll stick around, he has a history of jumping ship pretty quickly, and money talks for this man, wasn’t he offered a place on the us olympic team(his lifelong dream) but turned it down for a wwe contract, which he left for another ahem lifelong dream the nfl, then turned to mma! everyone has seen that video with the undertaker, he’s out for an easy payday!
yeah thanks
actually forgot the e, as in pein, don’t spell it your way, but thanks for pointing that out, coming from a guy who has probably never swung a hammer in his life!
lol i cant believe Timmy was right.
Either way Brock is ahead of most of the HWs in the UFC but he has to improve on striking and defending. He might get back to the top…when Cain and JDS retires.
Midgets don't have feelings right?
by G-Rated on Oct 24, 2010 4:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anyone with high level collegiate wrestling and decent striking has his number.
So I think hell remain in the top 5 for awhile. The only two with good enough wrestling to keep it standing have been Carwin and Cain. Id still like to see if JDS could do it
and how is he in the top 5.
after just having a 5-2 record? explain that to me.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
i hate people who still say that
who cares what his record is…name 5 people who have the tools to beat him…cain, even though he lost shane carwin has the tools, fedor, dos santos and overeem both have good shots…who cares about his record, hes been in the cage with some tremendous fighters and worked them…its no secret that hes still really raw but hes enough of a genetic freak that even as raw as he is he can be considered top 5
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
hes been in the cage with some tremendous fighters and worked them
Untrue. They were mediocre at best, and hand picked for him. The UFC PR-machine made them out to be more than they were.
Don’t forget that even Mir was supposed to be a win for him, which he failed the first time.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
fair point with mir, but
good luck convincing people that randy couture and shane carwin are mediocre at best…even mir isnt mediocre…the only middling fighter hes fought in the ufc is herring
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
Couture IS mediocre at best
He was and is done. He was a 45 (or whatever) year old wrestler who weighed over 50 lbs less than Lesnar, coming off a huge layoff (ring rust) and dealing with all sorts of shit outside the cage. Anybody who says that Randy was supposed to be a real matchup for Lesnar is kidding themselves.
Mir and Herring are both mediocre.
Carwin is real (and I said all along that Carwin was the first real opponent that Lesnar had to fight) – and Carwin was the first to expose Lesnar. The only real Lesnar won that fight was because the ref was afraid to stop it, and then carwins body shut down.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Absolutely true
Hell, I think Cain was chosen to lose against Brock as well. Dana does not look happy at all. He has not really celebrated Cain’s victory one bit. Cain’s getting the Carlos Condit treatment.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
by Onemansyn on Oct 24, 2010 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
naah, cain wasn't chosen to lose against brock, him and junior have the best records in the hw division.
the one thing they did was give Brock special treatment due to his “celebrity” status, if they’d held him back like Junior Dos Santos and Cain Velasquez, Brock would never have become champ.the UFC’s plan all along was to get Brock into the champion position so they could take advantage of his marketability and they succeeded.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
Absolutely
He was given hand picked opponents to make sure he had an easy road, and the UFC machine went into full PR mode to make it seem like they were legitimate wins.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
the wins were legit.
but they made it out like he was gods gift to earth… wins are wins and stays at that, no words or future predictions should ever be said.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
He I seen that in Dana face before he put the belt on Cain!
Cain still gonna draw numbers not like Brock though.
"Shumminina Shoulda Bought A Honda!" KATT WILLIAMS
by montanafrombama on Oct 24, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Cain will draw shit.
He’ll draw Shogun and Anderson Silva numbers. Being a champ doesn’t sell PPV’s.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Yes, he will
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
The casual fan doesn't give a shit about Cain Valasquez or JDS
If they break 1 million ppv buys with that fight headlining I’ll be surprised.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Oct 25, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck the casuals
I have always said that marketing to the casual fans is recipe for disaster. They are the first to jump ship as soon as the new fad comes along, and in the meantime you have alienated the hardcores.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Shogun's a decent draw to be fair
And if they keep plugging Cain’s heritage then he may get some Hispanic bandwagon jumpers cheering him because he’s Mexican. He’s the only guy they’ve got to aim at that fanbase now that Roger is in Bellator and Leonard is in the WEC (and both guys have lost repeatedly since stepping up in competition). Beating Brock on a huge PPV will have helped his popularity as well.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
And add to that
with as much as they built up Lesnar, Cain is now King of the Hill. undefeated, seemingly unstoppable – The man who stopped the legend of Lesnar.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I don't think Cain was chosen to lose
but I think Dana (and many people) thought that Brock would be able to out-muscle him like he did to others. Dana didn’t take into account that Brock had no other skills, at all, to fall back on.
As I said somewhere else, Dana White seeing Lesnar lose had the same face that Gary Shaw did when Kimbo lost.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Well I can't really blame him, Lesnar headlining a PPV = 1 million + PPV buys
What’s Cain vs JDS headlining a PPV gonna sell like? I think it’s a great fight, but I’m not sure the casual fan would even know/care.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Oct 25, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Randy, Mir and Carwin are mediocre?
They’re all in the top 10 you fucking dunce.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Randy and Mir are mediocre, you fucking clown.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Yet Mr Mediocre Randy Couture was supposed to be the #2 HW and a legitimate opponent for Fedor before Brock beat him
And I hate Mir as much as anyone else but the guy does have talent. If he’s mediocre then it just shows how bad the rest of the division is for him to have held the title and the interim belt and hold stoppage wins over former Pride and UFC champions.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
the division is mediocre.
what Cain did to Lesnar should be something most could do. That wasn’t even a tough fight for Cain.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
yea.
it is a competitive division but a couple fighters stand out right now junior and cain, they’ve beaten the shit out of 13 ufc hw’s and never lost.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
fair enough
but it wasnt too long ago people were saying everyone in the LW division were all battling for second place.
Mir has talent, and is mediocre. Do you honestly think he will ever be a serious contender for the strap?
Couture ranked as a heavyweight is the biggest joke ever. The question again – do you really think he will ever be a serious contender for the strap?
Answer both ‘no’ and you see why they shouldn’t be considered top ranked.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
it doesnt matter who draws or not when you get that belt your the champ until someone can take it from you
the only time draw power may play a factor is deciding who gets the next shot at the title. so who gives a dhit what you think cain will draw just know hes the main event and will hold that belt wether you, the ufc, the fans like it or not.
and quit bitching so much you sound like my xgirlfriend whaaa dont post gifs it slows down threads how bout pony up more cash and get a faster connection or shut the………………………………up
What does that say about Cain then?
Cain beat a guy who beat mediocre guys………Who has Cain beaten that’s even worthy of mentioning? Big Nog? He was done after Mir destroyed him. He’s slow and has been in to many wars. That was Cain’s best win b4 Brock. One dimensional Kongo? Or out of shape IFL champ Ben Rothwell? Come on dude you can’t be serious saying what your saying.
Cain resume isn't as good as JDS I guess but he's the top of the food chain now.
Shit Cain could be the #1 HW in the world right now. I honestly see him defending the belt for a while I think he beats JDS and Carwin so their gonna have to find someone to take it away from him.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Oct 25, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
dude, theory and reality are two completely different things.
you are all fantasy. reality is he’s been beaten 2 times and won 4 in the UFC so obviously he’s very beatable.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
i never said hes unbeatable
a great striker with good takedown defense is deadly for lesnar…even someone with comparable wrestling is dangerous because its almost a guarantee that theyll have more experience and be more multi-faceted…however, i still maintain that his genetic makeup alone puts him in the top 5 in the world…its so cliche but its true, you cant teach size, you cant teach strength, and you cant teach speed…he puts those three together in a way that no heavyweight ever has
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
let me clarify that
its not his genetic makeup alone…his ability, as green as he is, combined with his genetic makeup makes him as good as he is…if brock lesnar looked like that but never wrestled a day in his life he obviously would not survive in a UFC fight…but when you put his wrestling ability together with his frame its a force to be reckoned with
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
yes but for now he's 4-2 in the ufc.
and his future is uncertain.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
Just give it a rest, Roberto.
You haven’t an idea what you’re talking about.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Name 5 people huh, why only 5? I can definitely name more then that if you want...
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 24, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
go for it my friend
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
Name 5 smartass.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Well since people are retarded apparently i will name more then 5 lol
Josh Barnett Nuff said
Fedor Nuff said
Overeem Nuff Said
Jds (we will find out soon enough)
Carwin(once he has that thing called Cardio)
BigFoot Big enough to stuff his takedowns easy and a far better fighter then Brock
AA say what you want about his Chin Brock is not connecting on it so nighty night
Timmy would take him as well(u can argue this one if u like gl with the rest though)
Werdum would glady let brock take him down then sub his ass with the quickness and yeah Werdum would smoke brock standing so its not an option its go to the ground and be subbed or get that ass tapped standing.
Thats 9 off the top of my head.
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 24, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrei Arlovski? Are you serious?
Why because he beat Ben Rothwell? And scraped wins over Nelson, Pe Da Pano, Werdum and O’Brien in snorefests? His wrestling is lousy and he can’t take a punch, plus he’s lost his last 3. How anyone could pick him over a guy who was world champion yesterday is beyond me. And Tim Sylvia got KO’d by Ray Mercer in 10s, unless beating a Polish weightlifter and a UFC and SF reject (who shouldn’t have been brought back in the first place) suddenly means that you’re a world class fighter again. Laughable.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
dude you are all kinds of crazy arent you
first of all, carwin is bigger than bigfoot, same size at least, and is a much better wrestler and brock took carwin down…arlovski hasnt won a fight in almost two years, but im sure all of a sudden hed be able to stop someone built like a mack truck…im not even going to respond to you mentioning sylvia, i guess you just saw that he had a somewhat accurate prediction 3 years ago and got confused and thought that meant he was a relevant fighter again…barnett hasnt beaten anyone legitimate since 06, and that was a split decision over nog…and as far as werdum, see lesnar-mir 2
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
Werdum could potentially beat Brock but he's so inconsistent that you never know which Werdum will show up
The Werdum that dominated Gabe twice and submitted the Emelianenko Bros would beat Brock but the flabby mess that got KO’d by JDS in the first minute and bitchslapped AA in a 3 round borefest would get destroyed. Barnett has the skillset to beat Brock but his steroid use makes him unreliable and until he can prove that he’s not a cheat I won’t even bother fantasising about potential match-ups involving him. As for AA, Silva and Sylvia it’s laughable that they were even brought up.
Funny sig by the way magic, I guess Dana is just as much of a fairweather fan as anyone.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Werdum is a big favorite against Brock and so is Antonio Silva.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
brock is 4-2 in the ufc.
he was one routine stoppage away from being 3-3.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
he was one routine stoppage away from being 3-3.
That was beautifully put! 
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
watch the carwin fight again
he was defending himself much better in that fight then he was last night…im a huge brock fan, but im not complaining that last night wasnt a fair stoppage and that herb dean shoulda let it go longer…the stoppage last night was legitimate, and so was josh rosenthals non-stoppage in the carwin fight…for once theres been some good officiating
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
Disagree
2+ minutes of unanswered punches = stoppage for anyone whose name isn’t Brock Lesnar or Kimbo Slice.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
You’re quite the hateful little bastard, aren’t you. Carwin landed a few hard, solid shots on Brock, but most of them were partially or completely blocked. Rosenthal went over his stoppage guidelines with both fighters, Brock responded positively every time rosie checked on him, then Brock got Carwin off him and back to his feet. He was not hurt or unconscious and was intelligently defending, which is the standard for letting a fight continue.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Brock deserves credit for surviving Carwin's punches but he did get a benefit of the doubt that most would not have received.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
^^^ this
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
hahah thanks man
i love dana but he puts his foot in his mouth WAY too much…theres no other company he could be president of and get away with that…i honestly dont think that any werdum could beat brock…i think it would go exactly the same as the mir rematch…and i think barnett wouldnt touch brock now…i think he hasnt been in the cage with anyone good recently and naturally hes deteriorated a little…the next consensus top 15-20 heavyweight barnett faces will beat him, guaranteed
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
well this was back in 2007
since then brock destorys vet heath herring, becomes ufc heavyweight champion, defended his total twice once after coming off a life threatening injury and being out of the octagon for like over a year so don’t know if i can agree with tim i still think brock is a huge force at HW he will come back better from this loss but only time will tell
Apparently if you lose to Cain you suck
This happens all of the time when a champion loses his belt, suddenly he becomes a terrible fighter overnight according to the media, glory hunters and haters. It’s annoying how everyone talks more about how terrible Cain’s opponents have become than how well Cain performed when he beat them. This is no different.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Agree DW I hate that crap!
Who the hell is guna take shots from these HW’s nowadays & not go 2 sleep? Props 2 Brock for not going out he took a grip of shots & didn’t take no easy way out either left it all in the cage! Any1 who thinks lesnar sucks after losing 1 fight 2 the best HW in the ufc rite now is kidding themselves. He’s still beast & is still top 3 IMO.
Let’s see.
Pea-sized brain: Check.
Out of proportion torso with bony ridges atop an elongated cranium: Check.
Inability to adapt to areas where smarter, more advanced mammals thrive (Canada): Check.
Arms are mostly useless appendages, except for holding down prey: Check.
Facing imminent and absolute extinction (October 23rd): Check.
Yeah, the Brockosaurus is a dangerous beast, to be sure. I’ll let my T-Mex do the back-riding. I call him Cain.
by d*locc on Oct 24, 2010 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not really
brock’s problem is he gassed
his striking was fine when he was exchanging with Cain
and did he not just sub carwin
No
Carwin lost that fight, Brock didn’t win.
Brocks problem isn’t that he gassed (hahah??), it’s that he got his ass kicked and didn’t know how to defend himself.
And his striking was NOT fine when he was exchanging with Cain.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
i partially agree
i would say that he won the carwin fight…he toughed it out in the first round, had more gas in the tank come the second, and was able to sub a very good fighter…however i do agree that his striking looked awful last night…it deff needs work, he was just dreadful on his feet
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
With the Carwin fight
either Carwin gassed, or his body seized up on him (depending who ya talk to I guess) – but in either case, Lesnar managed to submit a guy who wasn’t fighting back.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
i agree with you that carwin gassed
but just because a fighter gasses doesnt mean that you cant give credit to the guy that beat him…carwin punched himself out and brock took advantage
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
It's a 'W' on the record, for sure
and any other opponent, the ref would have stopped it.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
And Cain beat a guy that wasn't punching back.
Retard.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Cain beat a guy who had no clue how to defend himself
moron
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Brock lost this fight, CAin didn't win it.
You’ve turned into a complete piece of garbage, mythbuster.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
So Brock won the Carwin fight, it's not that Carwin jacked it off with garbage cardio. Also, Brock lost this fight when he got tore up in every facet of the game, but Cain didn't win it.
You’re really on a roll, jay. This loss has affected you worse than I thought it would.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
It was a post in response to mythbuster saying
“Brock didn’t win against Carwin, Shane lost that fight.”
I’m only pointing out how absurd mythbuster was being. Thanks for helping me to make that point, Diceman.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Well I was saying that you can't have it both ways, but I still hear you. And I did misunderstand you.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
let it go
he got whipped.
like how someone gets into it with someone they shouldn’t have and then subsequently takes a stomping and then that’s the end of it? yea? sorta what happened. he lost. he was bested. you bring the necessity for a sliding scale of degree regarding the word delusional.
dude got beat. let it go and hope he does better next time around. it’s now comical to watch you in action.
We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us." - Charles Bukowski
The fight didn't affect me at all.
It’s the idiot posters that bother me. They say Brock only won because Shane gassed but then say Silva won because he’s better than Chael.
Brock was clearly gassed in this fight. It was because he got punched and couldn’t handle it, but he had an adrenaline dump there and looked tired after the first 30 seconds.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
By gassed you mean can’t take a punch right?
by hexbreaker on Oct 24, 2010 8:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
Brock got punched in the head so hard that it took his cardio away. Now THAT’S power you can’t teach!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
No! Jay is Right
I know what Jay means. It is not really gassing. Adrenaline Dump is more like it. You can totally see that in Brock’s face after few exchanges.
Go see Denis Kang vs. Bisping for adrenaline dump in 3rd round.
Go see Coleman vs Nog for another adrenaline dump.
There is also wilting. Go see Mir vs Cruz, Vera, Freeman, Carwin, Lesnar. Also see, Overeem’s pre-roid losses, especially Sergei 2 and Liddell fights.
I also want to make the following point.
(1) Brock is NOT going to improve improve improve. He has improved. He has polished his game so that he won’t get knocked out or quickly submitted like a noob anymore. But as far as becoming a complete MMA fighter (see Cain, Fedor, BJ, Shogun, GSP), he is too old to do anything.
(2) Tim Sylvia, in his prime, could give Lesnar hellava trouble because of their styles. Stylistically Sylvia is not a good match for Lesnar. Sylvia has pretty good takedown defense and much better cardio than Lesnar. Striking-wise expect something like Marius Putzenoski type of fight.
(3) AA probably can’t give Lesnar trouble because I’ve seen him get taken down by Rothwell and Nelson. Also Ricco G&Ped him out.
(4) Overeem probably can’t beat Lesnar. Ubereem is a beast but he can’t handle guys who he can’t bully around.
(5) And no Brett Rogers, Kimbo, Cheick Kongo, Roy Nelson, Ben Rothwell, and other B-level fighters (D for Kimbo) can’t beat Lesnar.
To beat Lesnar, you need to have decent wrestling (as good as Randy’s), or ability to get back up quickly (e.g. JDS). In addition, you need to be a top notch striker. In addition your cardio needs to be good. <—There are only handful of guys who can do all of this.
I say that the better man won in all cases
Anderson and Brock both had the heart, determination and skill to recover from being dominated to submit their opponents and no amount of excuse making or whining changes the fact that they won. As for Cain he proved how good I have been saying he is for years and it’s a shame that the biggest moment of his life is being overshadowed by people turning on Brock as soon as he lost. And if you gas in a fight then tough shit, cardio and mental preparation are just as important as being skilled in martial arts in this sport, if you can’t handle the pressure or get tired quickly then you deserve to lose.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Cain won the fight
by beating Brock senseless.
Carwin lost the fight because his body shut down.
Can you really not see the difference, or are you just pretending to be this stupid?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Well your body does tend to shut down when you fight with no discipline and you punch yourself out
That’s not a valid excuse for losing, it shows a weakness in Carwin’s game that Brock exploited just as Cain exploited Brock’s weakness in his striking. Carwin had the chance to do the same and blew it, allowing Brock to gain an impressive comeback win.
Though of course Brock suddenly sucks now that he lost so none of this matters. People seem to lose all sense of logic when a champion loses his belt and love to discredit them instead of congratulating the winner, that is something that pisses me off about a certain section of MMA fans. Everyone loves to point the finger and claim that a guy wasn’t that good afterall, ignoring all of their past accomplishments. It’s easy to say I told you so when someone loses, but for once I’d just like to see people focus on the guy who won not the guy who lost.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Why do you use the word "suddenly"?
many of us, including me, have been saying that Brock sucks all along. Carwin was his first REAL test, and while he got the ‘W’, he got exposed. If his name wasn’t Brock Lesnar, the ref would have stopped the fight. Carwins mistake wasn’t in lacking discipline, but in thinking the ref would actually stop it.
Even Cain said that the biggest thing he learned from the Carwin-Lesnar fight is not to expect the ref to stop it.
in any case, many of us have known all along that Brock was a hoax.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Why can't you see that the Ref was being a tard?
Maybe Carwin punched himself out because he thought the ref would just stop it.
I know guys like Ricardo Arona who would, in the middle of the fight, ask ref to stop the fight even though the other guy didn’t lose his consciousness.
Carwin was just being a good sport. He exposed Lesnar. Cain exposed Lesnar for good.
Id pick Timmy over Lesnar
As ive said and will continue saying Lesnar continues to improve skill wise with each fight…BUT every time he gets hit he turtles up like a bitch you cannot expect to beat real top guys that way. Carwin as most UFc fighters are mad overhyped Barnett and so many others would eat Lesnar right up. Sadly the UFcs HW division is nowhere near as deep as people try and make it out to be so maybe Brock can get some more Ws and continue being overrated as hell.
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
Dunno if I'd go that far
Remember that Couture beat Sylvia.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Yeah but Couture was also beating LEsnar till he got caught by a shot that he moved into...
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 24, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
but my point is that if Couture took down and smothered Sylvia so easy, it wouldn’t be a stretch to think that Lesnar could too. And unlike Couture, Lesnar can actually do damage with his hands.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
True but the fight does start on the feet and one shot from tims super long arms would change things quick
You also have to remember Couture had a great strat coming into that fight(as always) he went in there striking and caught Timmy off guard just like he did vs Chuck it was extremely unexpected, Brock does not try to strike with anyone he just wants that takedown sure he will throw some shots out there just like GSP right before he goes for the takedown. Timmy may be extremely disliked even hated by most but hes always been a solid HW.(who also had his back surgery after the Couture fight)
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 24, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Couture did NOT smother Sylvia
Bullshit. Couture won by pussy-points.
Ogre Sylvia had a mental dump. He does that sometimes.
But no way Couture smothered Sylvia.
Look, did Sakuraba smother Belfort? Not really.
In fact in a rematch people would have picked Sylvia.
Couture never kept Sylvia on his back for that long for us to say that Couture took Sylvia down.
Couture wasn't winning that fight.
Give your head a shake. He was defending well, you don’t win fights for good defence.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
Couture was NOT winning that FIGHT!
Dude…these fucking noobs
Couture was not, in no way, beating Brock. That is what Couture wants people to think. “Hey I got caught…he has long arms…he was the better man tonight…I couldn’t impose my will….I will go home and study the game plan and come back again….Brock has long arms!”
Couture was barely hanging in there and he would of DIED had the ref not stepped in.
Couture lost to a washed-up Nog.
Randy is a legend at LHW but at HW he is overrated.
Randy vs Fedor would have been the first death in MMA. Seriously. Dana saved his life.
TIM
He was right because Lesnar can’t endure punches.In the Carwin fight he turns to run and then just lies down to take a beating till Carwin ran out of gas which Carwin would have won that fight if he had picked his shots.In the fight with Cain, Lesnar goes into a position like a baby to take punishment.Lesnar is not tough.He can deliver punishment but he cannot take it.
by coykite on Oct 24, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yep
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 24, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
100% correct sir
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
LOL
You are such a fag.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
LOL
You are so sad today. It’s hilarious to me. Just let go dude… Brock is no GSP, he ain’t worth shit. I guess it will take you a couple more days. You are the only one who is defending him, P-Dub even wasn’t, only thing he said is he still has hope.
I kinda hope Brock can come back too, but as it looked yesterday he is worthless as a fighter, he is just a wrestler. Cowardly covering up? Seriously, he is a joke.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
He lost to a really good fighter. That doesn’t mean I’m going to stop being a fan. Hell, I’ve been a Texas Ranger fan for more than 30 years, and it’s only now become worthwhile. Brock still has the unique combination of size, power, speed and explosiveness to be a major factor in the HW division. I will always enjoy watchig him fight. I will always look forward to watching him fight, and i will always be a fan.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Fair enough, I will enjoy watching him fight too. But I am not a fan anymore.
I enjoy watching all MMA that I see, but I will not look forward to watching Brock more than any other fighter.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
yeah jay is really losing it today...
by xquisitewretch on Oct 24, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he didn't just decide to stop cheering for someone because he lost
Or suddenly decide that Brock is a terrible fighter because he lost to the best HW in the world. Some of these comments have been plain embarrassing.
"Stay classy San Diego"
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Are you jay in disguise?
Or just collecting his used tissues?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Absolutely
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I wouldn't say he is not TOUGH!
Look.
Before the UFC HW started having the three monsters (JDS, CAIN, and Carwin), no one except for Fedor even had a chance of hurting Brock. Nog/Mir/Werdum/Randy cannot hurt Brock because their punching power is not strong enough.
Cain, JDS, and Carwin KNOCKS people out COLD. Go ask Mir/Nog/Gonzaga/Werdum what it felt like when they just caught a punch out of no where. “Where the fuck am I?”
Brock went down but it took a lot of punches.
Brock can’t beat Cain/JDS/Carwin. But he is still good.
Brock had to force him self to look Cain in the eyes at the beginning
Hw looked like he had to psych himself
out for it. When he finally did, he was blinking like crazy which seems like he was forcing himself to not look away. Seemed intimidated or at lest worried.
He did the same thing Carwin did with him, he dumped all his adrenaline in that first burst in the beginning of the fight. He tripped and fell cause he had no legs. No balance or equlibrium left. Cain just pounced on that.
WAR CAIN!!!!
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
by Onemansyn on Oct 24, 2010 5:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I guess Tito was wrong. It’s not just the deaf that lack equilibrium.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Tito is a fag
I really didn’t want to see him fight Matt Hamil because I knew it was gonna be a gay fight.
I want Tito to fight Shogun or Jon Jones. I want him killed.
Am I the only one who thinks we wont see Lesnar fight again?
I think he’s done what he wanted to in the sport.
Just don’t see him continuing MMA at all.
by Lester The Pimp on Oct 24, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
He came,he saw,he kinda conquered,then got tooled!
I agree with you tbh,think he’s gonna be bored of not bein at the top and just try somethin else,like tennis.
"Hey, you got knocked out in the 3rd round, what happened there?"
Well, it's still a little hazy, but I believe that other gentleman was punching me in the face, and then I fell over??
by tap or snap bons on Oct 24, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
just hope he doesn't get hit in the face with a tennis ball
or we will see a turtled up lesnar again
hahaha!!!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
that turtling up remined me of...
Brett Rogers vs. OVereem
and
Gary Goodridge vs Fedor
It's his history
As long as its easy, he stays. When it gets hard, at all, he runs away.
He did it in the WWE and the NFL, now he will probably do it in MMA.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Something just popped in my head
I can see them doing Lesnar vs Mir 3 after this
by John Rosencrans on Oct 24, 2010 6:45 PM EDT reply actions
OMFG!! sad but I would watch it.
I hate Mir and would pay money to see him get hurt although the fight would be pointless.
Coming from some1 who got ktfo by Ray mercer!
I see Brock beating every other ufc HW besides Cain. He took his ass whooping like man made me respect him more. Sad some of u all of sudden think lesnars worthless now. Cain is just that gud he’s guna do that 2 everybody. Brock will come back strong & crush his next opponent!
Let’s see.
Pea-sized brain: Check.
Out of proportion torso with bony ridges atop an elongated cranium: Check.
Inability to adapt to areas where smarter, more advanced mammals thrive (Canada): Check.
Arms are mostly useless appendages, except for holding down prey: Check.
Facing imminent and absolute extinction (October 23rd): Check.
Yeah, the Brockosaurus is a dangerous beast, to be sure. I’ll let my T-Mex do the back-riding. I call him Cain.
by d*locc on Oct 24, 2010 10:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
idk about everyone
to be honest, i thought that brock would beat cain, but i was really scared for him with that dos santos matchup looming in the future…jds is a terrible matchup for brock stylistically
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"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
Hi Sable!
Unfortunately, Brock has been exposed.
JDS and Carwin will eat him. Then his confidence will go down. He will get few bullshit fights like rematch with Mir/Randy/Nog or other useless fights. Maybe Kongo or Roy Nelson or Rothwell just to showcase to fans that Brock is a beast (aka Freakshow fights).
Then he will get caught by a young-gun (a new JDS) and get kicked out. He will then go after Fedor. But by then Fedor would have retired. So Brock will fight Brett Rogers in Moosin 12: War of Bums and beat Brett Rogers.
youre just on a whole new level of delusional arent you
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
At least I didn't jump on Brock bandwagon
For a guy who thought, like a typical UFC-fanboy, that Brock was the best ever, you sure talk alot.
Tell me what exactly made you think I am delusional.
(1) Brock has been exposed.
(2) JDS/Carwin/Cain can beat Brock
(3) Brock can still beat Mir/Randy/Nog
(4) Brock is still better than Nelson/Kongo/Rothwell
(5) A Youngun might beat Brock in the future
(6) Brock will have to leave the UFC if he loses to a darkhorse
(7) Brock will then go fight in smaller leagues
(8) Brock can still beat Brett Rogers
What the fuck do you disagree with?
brock
Def didn’t look like he belonged in that fight his hands are garbage. Cain is great but let’s remeber brock was the perfect matchup for him to dominate….im not. Sold on cain yet let’s see him fight junior and Carwin
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by The real ZACK on Oct 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brock needs to train striking exclusively from here on out.
He can’t take a shot from a big hw, but who can really. He still hits hard, but his reaction to being hit sucks.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 25, 2010 2:41 AM EDT reply actions
Won't happen
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Brock just can't improve improve improve.
Brock improved already. He is not going to get submitted like a noob anymore.
But at the same time, he is too old to learn new tricks like striking. There is no way in hell that he can develop good enough striking technique to beat JDS/Cain/Carwin.
Brock is still a noob and he obviously doesn't properly train his striking.
He has the tools, he just needs to get hit more in practice. He reacts to getting hit like he only gets tagged twice a year. His reaction to getting hit is his biggest weakness, because he folds.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 25, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Tools to do what?
I don’t think it’s as easy as him not wanting to get hit.
He doesn’t have the tools. What tools are you talking about? His athleticism as a wrestler doesn’t translate into striking. His body structure is waaay to big for him to learn any intricate striking techniques.
First of all, he will never be able to throw a proper kick. Also, his punches are relatively weak compared to his body strength. He has no footwork except jumping up and down like a wrestler.
At age 33 or 34, what can he learn?
This is not an RPG. You just don’t level up your magic or sword abilities to 99 just by training more.
Also
He doesn’t want to. His history shows that if he can’t do it naturally, he won’t do it.
I expect we may see one or two more fights from him, and he will be exactly the same.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I wouldn't recommend that he does
For him to learn proper striking he has to change his body shape or his fighting style dramatically.
He could go to Holland and learn from K-1 guys. But I doubt he can. His body is just too massive for him to develop the proper form.
Conan the Barbarian sounds like a guy who said Crocop should go to LHW. It’s not that simple. If CC loses his leg muscles, he won’t be able to perform. And his legs will get skinny if he cuts weight.
The same thing with Brock. I would not recommend that he tries to slim down to learn proper kickboxing. He can practice his boxing but he won’t develop intricate skills. It is the same shit. Very basic stuff done in a powerful way.
i was never a fan Lesner & i hope we can draw a line under this one & move on & support proper MMA fighters
& everybody who jumped on the Lesner bandwagon wow are looking to jump off we should make them stay on there & constantly remind them that they thought Brock was some unstoppable force in the MMA world. & as for people saying he would have beat Fedor looking at how he performed against Cain, Fedor would have KO’d him
by evilgumbo on Oct 25, 2010 5:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i have to be honest and realistic about brock
i was one of the guys that defended brock in his whole mma career and expected big things from him. but after what happend at 121 i have this bitter taste and am starting to thing that is brock actually as good as everyone made out. i meen he actually looked terrible against cain. hes in the wrong sport if he dont like getting hit. thats a big big weekness coz all the other guys will pin point this weakness now. im starting to think is brock even genuine. i might be wrong because he might just come out and be the best brock lesnar we have ever seen but i dunno something tells me that his ability to take react to a punch will never fade. hes got all the potential in the world but his team seem to not be able to mold the clay properly. he needs to go to greg jacksons or something and be the gsp of the heavys to survive
He doesn't have all the potential
His massive body is his gift and curse. He can be strong but with that kind of body, you can’t go too long. Also, his body is not the right type to learn effective striking.
Have you seen Brock kick? God…it is such a shit.
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