Does Jake Shields deserve a title shot with split decision win at UFC 121?
by kevjack115 on Oct 24, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
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UFC President Dana White still seems to think so:
"How could you not be impressed with his performance? He had a tough guy in Martin Kampmann -- Martin Kampmann is no joke. When you come [into the UFC] -- and I don't care where you've been, who you've fought or what you've done -- the guys who you fight in the UFC fight the best in the world three times a year. These guys are no joke and he kept his composure. Yeah, you know, Jake's in the mix. I don't think any less of Jake Shields today than I did yesterday."
It’s not an all-out vote of confidence, but White appears to be sticking to his pre-UFC 121 guns, saying that former Strikeforce and Elite XC champion, Jake Shields, deserves a shot at UFC championship glory despite a not-so-dominant win in his Octagon debut over Martin Kampmann. In his defense, Shields — who has won an incredible 15 straight fights — indicated that a tough weight cut and debut jitters likely contributed to his performance against the "Hitman." But is that a good enough explanation? White made a similar promise to Jon Fitch before and after his most recent win over Thiago Alves, only to turnaround and promise the same prize to Shields. So now that the results are in will White book a true number one contender match between Shields and Fitch or will he really hand Shields the winner of division champion Georges St. Pierre and Josh Koscheck just like that?
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I hate watching Jake Shields fight
So I agree 100%
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 24, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions
Hey Fitch deserves it more than anyone but dana ain't gonna let it happen.......
so Shields it is. Aside from him, the next closest contender is freaking lytle or the winner of BJ-Hughes. Regardless they’ll be woodchip once they’re put through the GSP.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I woulda been pretty honored to be front paged
If I had actually wrote ANY of this! I said he doesn’t deserve a shot and looked horrible. Also he alluded that it wasn’t the weight cut on mmalive and it was something else. I said give him Chris Lytle, a very good stand up, decent wrestling and has shown really respectable BJJ lately!
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I was very unimpressed
(add French accent as needed) I think ghis fight was clear proof judging needs to be changed. Take downs where you do absolutely nothing, infect you get caught in submissions shouldn’t earn you points. He literally accomplished nothing the entire fight. Should have worked morr on his training and less on his tan
by soupdz28 on Oct 24, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fight the power Kev
Jake looked poor but he did enough to win, Kampmann did some damage but was controlled for the whole fight, didn’t come close to submitting Jake and was the one being put in dangerous positions. If Jake had better cardio then he may have done more to finish, personally I think that it was the tough cut and the training injury that led to him gassing so quickly. After that display he needs to do more to secure a title fight, because GSP will destroy him if he performs like that but I wouldn’t go so far as to give Lytle a chance at beating him as Chris rarely does well against dominant wrestlers despite his very good BJJ. Like I said before make Shields-Fitch the next title contender fight, both guys have similar skill sets, both have excellent records and both are in the mix for a title shot.
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He should have to win one more at least.
MAybe he should stay at MW? He looked bad tonight.
Kev, I put the fanpost up for the money league.
jay.
saw that,
thanks Jay, you know I’m busy, I appreciate it
@doa meette, I’m the biggest Caesar Gracie team nut hugger, and I think Chris Lytle beats the piss outta Jake Shields!
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lytle?
c’mon, kev you know better..
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
shields had a very bad weight cut, relax..
he hasn’t been fighting at WW for a while, and he’s just getting his body comfortable..
no doubt, he NEEDS another fight at WW before even being considered..
i would like to see a condit rematch personally..
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
Im 100% serious Stink
I think Shields/Lytle is a good match up. And I don’t buy the weight cut, like Dana said on mmalive,
“He’s a grown man and new what weight the fight was at.”
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thats very true, kevin
but obviously he had a bad cut, he even addmitted it last week.. jake usually doesn’t look that bad(cardio wise)…
i would love to see jake vs lytle, but thats mostly cause i love watching chris lytle fight regardless……in no way do i see chris winning that fight. jake has a solid chin and lytle doesn’t do good against wraslters..
jake will fight someone else before he gets his title shot & all his fans will run back when he dominates fitch.. not only will jake beat fitch, he will finish him… all jake needs to do is get back in WW shape…
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
speaking of lytle
i would love to see lytle vs condit!~ that would be fireworks as well as appropriate right now with both fighters floating around the mid teir..
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
Lytle is 6-2 going back to 2008. He needs a step up in competition to get into the title mix unless Dana and the brass are content to just give him guys that will produce FotN material instead of giving him a chance to move up. Hell, he was one questionable split decision against Serra from getting a title shot a couple years ago.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
lytle doesn't want a step up....
he just wants guys who’ll bang with him. He stopped caring about being an elite fighter after the hughes fight. As far as Shields though i don’t buy the bad weight cut bull…….he showed the same problems he’s always had liek horrible takedowns (at least the penetration shots), improved jab but below average standup, and terrible positioning in the clinch, and gassing in the later rounds when TDs don’t work. Alves or fitch or Kos would pretty mcuh wreck him.
Big Nog for Life
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Fitch and KOS would be good fights, but Jake would beat Alves IMO.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I’m a little pissed, nay, a lot pissed, but I’ll deal. His offensive stand-up looked better than it has in the past, but defensively Brock has no idea what to do. Cain stayed calm and countered in the exchanges while Brock covered and tried to escape. His trainer needs to put him in a small closet-sized cage, tie his hands together and let someone stand in there throwing punches at his face until Brock learns to avoid punches with proper boxing movement instead of cartwheeling around the ring.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
that was some fly break dance spins he busted out!
i was pisssed1!
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He was reeling around like a World War I plane that got its tail shot off.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I just want both you and Cali to admit that i was right
that Cain would stop Brock’s first, freshest and strongest takedown. Once it happened i jumped up because that was it for Brock. Kept telling me brock was a better wrestler when he wasn’t. it was all in the details boys…..push the head and standing up in base, breaking the hand and rolling right to break grips, small adjustments completely shut down brock’s control and wrestling. In fact cain gave those two TDs simply because Brock has the wingspan of a fucking plane and was able to get his hands around his knees despte cain basing his legs out as far as possible.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
what is it they say about great minds?
jinks!
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
how come he was soundly outwrestled then?
hahaha……
Big Nog for Life
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to Jay and I
both posting that “brock doesnt like to get hit” at exactly the same time.
As for wrestling, id take Brock over Cain ANY day in pure. In MMA, Cain can hit him and brock no like!
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Outwrestled? When?
Cain was all defense before Brock got hit. In a pure wrestling match I would take the NCAA champ over the guy that couldn’t even make it to the fucking semi-finals.
jay.
i seem to remember a single leg takedown followed
by riding him on top while punching his face. Brock has one single move and that’s it. When the fight started he circled to clear as much distance then get the wheels going on the freight train and still couldn’t bulldoze over cain. Rewatch the fight and tell me who had the better wrestling because to me it was Cain all day. Also cain was all defense thanks to brock wall n stalling……see what happens when couture helps you out in camp. hahaha
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
fight metric
has it as 2 attempts 1 completions for both guys.
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and how many times did brock successfully stop cain’s takedowns? zero.. In a wrestling match with both guys at the same size Cain destroys Brock.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
he did last night.
and he handed Brock his ass on a platter.
are you in my bedroom? cause i can go all damn night!
If they were the same size blah blah blah
If GSP was the same size as them he’d beat them both, what’s your point?
jay.
Nice got your sig right here....
“Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR”
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
lol,pw!~i want rec this for quote of the week, lol
He was reeling around like a World War I plane that got its tail shot off.
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
Have it Stink. If seeing a quote like that in the Quote of the Week thread with my name of all people’s attached to it doesn’t motivate Brock to at least advance to passable striking then nothing will.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I thought it was pretty funny.
Props to Brock Fans for being good sports on this beautiful sunshiny afternoon. Day 1 of Cain’s reign.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
+1. yan117
the brock fans are humble in defeat, just like the monster himself!
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
I am humbled purely by how wrong I could be...
But I am actually embarassed for Brock’s performance. Afraid to take a punch? That’s like a basketball player afraid to take a charge. Or a hockey player afraid to block a shot. Brock is not a fighter. He is an athletic wrestler with ridiculous size. He is NOT a fighter. He showed that yesterday in spades.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
yup!
the big just desn’t take getting punched well..
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
I 2nd that! Funny shit!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Well Brock did get him down…..briefly (lol)
Brock got his ass wooped plain and simple. Brock does NOT like to get hit.
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t really imagine that anyone LIKES to get hit, but he doesn’t defend or handle it at all. Brock needs to channel his inner Dalton and remember that pain don’t hurt.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
you know what i mean!
Brock getting hit = bad
Forrest getting hit = goood
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
true
brock though everything about him says he’s a frontrunner.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
AFter Brock pushed that cop out of the way at the start of his entrance.....
I was like, Fuck Brock, he has not changed, he is not humble, he is an ignorant bully who got thought a lesson last night by Cain, who i also dislike. Broc is done, and this stunt with the Undertaker just tops off the whole Broc experience.
it was the undertaker who said "we gonna do this?"
brock just walked away
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
I know that, i did not say Broc said anything, Check out Cageside seats for the story...
It was a work, they want the two to fight at Wrassling Mania
lol, i cant stand that shit...
they got (fake) beef, so they’re gonna pretend fight. Haha…but I guess alot of ppl love that shit.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
i don't understand how it's normal to enjoy that.
I mean i guess if it feels natural.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought shoving the cop was a good sign, at least for those of us who cheered for him.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
I swear I wanted him to win, but who the fuck does he think he is....
Didn’t Jardine get suspended for less at his last fight with TP??? How many black people have been batoned to within an inch of their lives for less? What he did was technically asault dude, go back and look at it and look at the cops face, he was shitting it, and only trying to do his job, i’m telling you, check it out again, Brock got what he deserved last night.
The stupid cop was getting tangled up with the fans reaching over the railing.
He should have been punched in the back of the head.
jay.
Dude, if you were that cop, you were PISSED!!
Who the fuck does Broc think he is? That cop has a tough enough time of it as it is, without that 265 pound beast making it even more difficult!!
i looked away for a sec and missed it
anyone have a gif of it??
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
No doubt it will surface, they always do.
I think it’s brilliant anyway that KJ and Broc both lost badly, just for Helens sake. Hope you enjoyed it as much as i did Helen…titty kitten!!
Brock is the main event. That cop is a peon.
He better get the fuck out of the way. What happens if this idiot tripped Brock with his bumbling and Brock takes a finger in the eye on the way down?
He needs to do a better job. Brock only pushed him anyway, no big deal. He wasn’t assaulting the guy or anything. Just moving morons out of the way.
jay.
I jumped off the wagon the moment that bitch coward covered up again
He can’t take a punch to save his life and can only win if he bullies people right from the beginning.
He is not a fighter and nothing but a bitch. Fuck Brock, I am embarrassed to have been a fan of his fighting.
Fuck Ben Askren!
Supporting a coward is embarrasing.
I would never jump of Fedor’s wagon. He is my favorite fighter and always will be. Or Anderson’s wagon even of Chael had beaten him or Belfort does. He is my second favorite.
Brock is AFRAID TO GET PUNCHED. Good luck with supporting him. He is nothing but a useless brute. Can’t believe how wrong I was.
Fuck Ben Askren!
yaaaaa maaaan go free!
Carwin would dust him in a rematch. He’d finish faster, and only needs 10% more cardio than last time.
Jds stuffs 1 td and outstrikes the sh*t outta “don’t touch my face” Brock.
Cain. Nuff said.
Hell Nelson might.
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by daniel worby on Oct 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice on jay
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
no it doesn't jay.
Carwin dominated Brock in the first round before gasing. Brock did absolutely nothing but cowardly cover up against Cain.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
What was the result?
So far HISTORY has shown us that Shane can’t fight in the second round. I’d pick Lesnar in a rematch.
Shane hasn’t even fought again yet. Why would any of you think he could beat Brock? So far all we know about him is he does steroids and can’t complete an entire round without wanting to kill himself.
jay.
Carwin should have won.
He probably hates himself after watching Cain become the champ for doing what he did but more intelligently. He should have picked his shots like Cain did.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
100%, Kinda feel bad for Carwin.
In retrospect I would have rather seen Carwin win and fight Cain yesterday. He would not cover up like a girl when getting punched.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
yep, at least carwin vs cain has potential in the first as an even match
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by daniel worby on Oct 24, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
CC shouldn't even be in the UFC.
Cro Cop =Years active 1996–2003 (Kickboxing)
2001–present (MMA)
Kickboxing record
Total 23
Wins 16
By knockout 11
Losses 7
By knockout 4
MMA record
Total 38
Wins 27
By knockout 20
By submission 4
By decision 3
Losses 8
By knockout 3
By submission 2
By decision 3
Draws 2
No contests 1
Amateur boxing record
Total 45
Wins 40
By knockout 31
Losses 5
Brock= Afraid to take a punch in the face!!!!
Cro Cop deserves to be in the UFC a million times more than Broc ever did……Seriously. Don’t try to compare Mirko’s fighting credentials to Brocs fake wrassling career.
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with today.
Did you see the Mir/CC fight? Did you see the Brock/CC fight? CC should retire or be shot. Either way he isn’t UFC material. Never was really.
jay.
cvs? What is that?
CC (like most of the Pride guys) still has a name from fights over 5 years ago.
He’s shit now. Surely you’ve noticed?
jay.
Brock is still ranked in the top 5.
Where’s CC at?
14th. And that is giving him too much credit. He lost to FRANK MIR on the feet for fuck sakes.
jay.
Just like that other Pride posterboy Nog.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
You guys just won't admit that Broc was a flash in the pan.
JDS would beat him, Carwin would win a rematch, Fedor would destroy him, Overeem, Hell even Rogers would KO his ass. Kongo would have a chance, along with Cro Cop, Pat Barry, 50/50 with Mir, Nog would have a go, anyone that could survive that first barage and that could strike along with some Cardio in the H-W division would have a chance now against Broc, simple as.
Nobody in MMA history has fought the kind of competition Brock did to start his career, let alone had the level of success he did. You don’t like him, fine. But you cannot deny what he has already done or that he will return soon and be better than he was to go back to laying waste to people.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
no ufc fighter under the zuffa banner
Has had a 3o+ lb and strength advantage over their opponents like brock…I’d hope they’d give him some stiff competition…sheesh
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by salamagogo on Oct 24, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
C'mon now.
CC has no chance with anyone on that list.
Cain beating Brock doesn’t mean Kongo, Barry (the guy Brock throws around at practice) or any of these rejects you named have a chance with him. Only good wrestlers will be able to stop him from taking them down and beating them up. Fedor, REem, Rogers….they would all get the Mir treatment.
jay.
OK guys, I hope he does return, it is not that i don't like him as a fighter, he is entertaining and all that, he is just afraid to get punched in the face....
Which is not going to work for him in the Ultimate Fighting Championship!
Baddest man on the planet?
He is just afraid to get punched in the face…. Which is not going to work for him in the Ultimate Fighting Championship!
Amen.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
I'm not even going to get into this with you jay.
Your a huge Broc fan and are pissed, nothing wrong with that. I’ll catch you another day.
I'm not pissed. He lost.
I’m only pissed that people think Brock sucks for losing to the number one HW.
He’s still one of the top 5.
Fedor, Cain, Carwin and JDS are probably the only people in the world that could beat him. CC, Mir, Nelson….None of those guys are on his level and last night doesn’t change that.
jay.
LOL
You think CC has a chance in hell against Cain?
He’s garbage, stop bringing him up in a conversation about top fighters.
jay.
Your blinded by your love for Broc.
Cro Cop would of put up more of a fight than Brock did, that was my statement. Not trying to bring CC into this conversation because I like him, just using him as an example cause it was the first name in my head. JDS would destroy Brock, Nelson and CC went 3 rounds with him. Kongo put up more of a fight than your beloved Brockness Monster….LMAO!!
AND
You do have to admit that CC looks like he’s afraid to hit people. Circling with Mir AFTER knowing you can get up from his sloppy TD’s makes you afraid to hit people.
jay.
He was afraid of the takedoen, not to hit him.
C’mon dude, how can anyone with that experience and that many ko’s to his credit be afraid to hit someone, your stretching now….lol
Jay...
I’m only pissed that people think Brock sucks for losing to the number
onefour HW.
Fixed
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
Yes, he will be.
But saying Brock lost to #1 is revisionist history. Cain was #4 yesterday,
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
talking cro cop and cain in same sentence is silly!
im one of mirko’s biggest fans/supporters, and even i know cain would murder cc worse than what he did to big nog & brockness combined!~
the cain-train will be riding strong for a while…
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
Wow Jay, you are a sore loser!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
No way Lytle beats Shields Kev. You're nuts!!!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I agree..
I think he looks a lot more comfortable at MW and I think hes got a better chance in that division as well.
I loved that overright hand after the knee.......just perfect snap on it
you could literally feel the jolt going through and shortcircuiting that meathead brain of his.
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Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he does
a win is a win, and the good new is shields/ GSP is ganna happen wether people want to see it or not
I wanna see it
I wouldn't be so sure. Dana has taken title shots away before and I wouldn't be surprised if Jake has to fight again before a title shot. He will have to wait until May or June of next year for a fight anyway.
the good new is shields/ GSP is ganna happen wether people want to see it or not
jay.
lets not forget about Koscheck! He can change everything.
not that i think Kos will, but this is MMA, nothing’s for sure.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
dana even said in the post fight presser that "he's not sure about" that title shot anymore..
he kept beating around the bush… my guess is there will be no title shot, and dana will match fitch up with jake..
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
he said on mmalive
that it wasn’t the best performance and Kampmann is a true test. also said Kampmann will regret this as he should have let his hands go. Said Jake will get his shot!
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you think he will?
i doubt it.. dana was avoiding that question at the presser big time.. it seems to me like jake wont get the shot… im thinking dana will put shields vs fitch…
that way fitch get put out of the title picture for a bit…
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
no way the ufc denies jakes shot
he was willing to give jake a title shot as his ufc debut. I might agree with you if there was a strong contender dominating at ww but there isnt…….who they ganna give it to pyle
two words your right first he has to get by koscheck three months ago I believed josh had a chance but today he has no chance seeing the way he act on tuff hes already psyched out and scared of gsp he knows hes ganna get beat his thinking now is make as much money as i can as a top contender before i get embarresed
anyone think dana wants shields to fight gsp just to lose?
just to show that his guy is better than the best guy from strikeforce?
i dont give out free signatures
No
I don’t think there is a (serious) person alive who doesn’t think that GSP is better than everyone at that weight.
That would take a lot of planning and patience on Danas part to prove something that everyone already knows, to the very few people who actually care about UFC vs Strikeforce.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
yes!!!!!
If it was anyone eles Dana would have said that his performance was medicore at best. Dana hates hearing about not making weight! He doesnt want the bad weight cut excuse. Martin won that fight, it was a bullshit decision. I think shields should have another top teir WW before fighting GSP. SInce he won’t, yeah I think Dana is pushing him into the fire so he can talk about how this isnt the minor league show that SF is.
Fuck you! I'm an ANTEATER!
Shields-Fitch. Real simple. I don't think there is any doubt that it's gonna happen.
Fuck Ben Askren!
Lytle is nowhere near the top. It just doesn't make sense. Great matchup I agree, but will just not happen.
It’s just as random as to give him Diego Sanchez or Mike Pyle. He will either get Fitch or the title shot.
On that note Diego-Pyle is what I wanna see. I think that’s next if Diego stays at WW.
Fuck Ben Askren!
thats the point freenow
he’s not a contender and I feel gives Jake a tough fight!
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agreed
He will either get Fitch or the title shot.
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Im sure DW wasn't impressed with Shields, but he's backing him up b/c he has to sell the title fight.
we’re gonna start hearing Dana hang off Shields nutsack for the next while so ppl will buy into it and buy the title-shot PPV. Dana is good at convincing ppl of ridiculous shit (like Fedor sucks and Brock is the #1 HW).
Sidenote: Everyone laughed at me when we did the consensus rankings here and i didnt put Brock in the top 3 HW’s. Hype.
So, if Kos wins DW’s gonna try to get Fitch a title shot. That’s why we wont see Fitch scheduled to fight until after Kos-GSP. That’ll start up a shitstorm and Im sure Fitch will get his walking papers.
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totally agree, on all of it...dana, brock...
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Diego's next fight will be against Kampmann, take it to the bank.
both guys just recently took out PT.
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lol I love how everyone totally disses koscheck, I love it ha ha
The guy is a grade A douche bag but he could still beat gsp, nothing is for sure, I just hope gsp ownes koscheck in a big way…but ya never know.
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Askren is rapidly approaching Fitch-level hatred from me, but that would be funny to watch GSP get laid on for 5 rounds for a change.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
GSP would absolutely murder Askren. In the first round. And I fuckin hate GSP... but come on.
Fuck Ben Askren!
I completely agree, but the potential irony of GSP getting humped for 5 rounds instead of the other way around is funny to me.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
not sure its possible honestly
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Shields.
I told you Shields wasn’t a top 5 WW. Kinda funny about the weight cut because the samething happen to Hendo when they fought. Kampmann did the same thing Mayhem did. He could have won that fight with no problem but chose to get on the ground and try to submit him. And he lost just like Mayhem did by points. Shields was a bust last night. And Kev you are right he doesn’t deserve a title shot.
finally agree with you kev lol
He did not look good enough night to deserve a title shot.
he was gassed. kos or gsp would throw him around in rds 2-5 if he is huffing air like that.
kampman should have let his hands go.
"The harder you work in practice, the later it will benefit you in the octagon"
Kampman is good but wasn't too smart in this fight.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
kampmann impressed me with his ground game.
it might not have looked good, but kampmann was able to escape some tough positions.
And its tough to let your punches go when you gotta defend the takedown, and thats all Shields went for.
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well i dont think he should get a title shot after that fight
but a rematch with condit would be great and id say give the winner a title shot
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Think about it...
Shields is the perfect opponent for GSP for the title.
I was amazed at the level of his grappling. Yeah…one dimensional but man is he top shelf in that area.
Both GSP and Shields love to dominate the ground game. It would be a chess match on the ground.
Personally, I think Shields has what it takes to beat GSP. He can nullify his wrestling.
Imagine how boring that fight will be? Guaranteed 5 round decision.
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by xquisitewretch on Oct 24, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP would keep it standing for the most part and beat him up.
we all know how hard it is to take down GSP.
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GSP loves to dominate the ground? I dont think so.
He fights where his opponent is weakest! Doesn’t everyone know this by now? Lol if Shields was to fight to GSP, it would consist of a lot of sprawling on GSP’s part, and a lot of getting punched in the face on Jakes. This would continue until GSP tko’d him late 2nd. Not a fight I want to see at all…
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by Rivalution on Oct 24, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GSP would nullify Shields' wrestling
And kick his head into the upper deck. It would be anything but boring.
jay.
This.
On another note, I’d rather they give Shields the shot at GSP, simply because I’m sick of seeing rematches, and giving Shields the Fitch fight first is too big of a risk, because Fitch could beat him.
As for the talk about Lytle, I wouldn’t mind seeing him throw hands with Paulo or Hardy now. Diego should fight Pyle. Condit should rematch Kampmann.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
Just noticed the contradiction there...
By rematches, I mean rematches involving GSP. They’re completely unneccessary; if he dominates someone once, he’s likely to do the exact same – or worse – a second time around.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
No he doesn`t deserve a shot
He does deserve a shot a fitch
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Shields...
I’m not impressed with your performance. After what I saw last night…Georges will run right thru Jake. Had Kampmann took a bangers approach, the fight was his. I can’t believe his corner wasn’t screaming for separation. Jake is not the # 2 WW in the world. IMO… Maybe top 5…Maybe.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight...It's the size of the fight in the dog.
Right now, based on recent wins (rank of opponent), method of wins, activity and such, I've got it...
1. GSP
2. Fitch
3. Koscheck
4. Shields
5. Condit
6. Kampmann
7. Alves
8. Daley
9. Hardy
10. Paulo
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
not a bad list, the only big change i would make is Alves.
he should be ranked #3.
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where do you rank Alves?
jay, listen to me….i told you long ago Brock wasn’t even top 3 HW. you and everyone else laughed. dont drink Dana’s Kool-Aid.
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You said a long time ago that at some point Brock wouldn't be top 3 HW?
Good for you. You got it right finally. And you only had to wait 5 fights to be right.
jay.
no, i didnt say that.
when we did the consensus rankings here a while back, everyone ranked Brock #1 or #2 (usually behind Fedor). I had it Fedor, JDS, Cain, Brock.
so, where do you rank Alves?
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I would take Brock over Fedor, TODAY
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by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
So your rankings were complete garbage then?
Since that’s not the order at all.
I would rank Alves at about 5.
GSP
Fitch
Kos
Shields
Alves
jay.
his takedown defence didn't look good against Fitch
but its pretty damn good, its just that fitch is just real good and relentless.
his strategy isn’t to use his bjj, its to get back on his feet.
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It didn't look good against GSP either.
So I think Kos and Shields would get him down as well. You can’t be a top 5 at WW with no wrestling.
jay.
so far Alves has 1 up on Kos
i know it was on short notice, but if you take a fight, no excuses.
Shields’ shot is terrible, weak, but he keeps goin for it until he gets it. i’d love to see Alves light him up. Plus Alves TDD is better than Kampmann’s.
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That's also a fair list Jay.
At the moment, Alves is a tricky one for me, very interchangeable from the No.5 to No.7 range.
The only reason I have Condit and Kampmann above him is because of more recent, high-profile wins (Hardy and Paulo, respecitvely).
I can see an argument for Alves being above them though, because he would most likely beat both guys.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
Not really kool aide
when a guy comes in and beats the types of guys brock did, while being an absolute rookie. Can you name anyone with as tough 6 initial career fights as brock?
He’ll be back and in the mix soon enough.
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by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
HARDY is any top 10
is a joke. and couch was referring to Jake as 2nd best WW in the world. So you have to include non UFC guys. Paullo, Hardy, Daley dont make the cut then.
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by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty Accurate List
I agree that Alves should be 3. Hardy before Daley though! I saw him fight in Montreal, the guy is a joke. So 1 dimensional! Yeah Hardy lost to Condit, but the way that fight was going, one of them was going down in a hurry. Condit’s hook was just shorter and more powerful and caught him. But other than that, a good list!
by Darren MacDonald on Oct 24, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Alves is a joke
Not top 10 anymore.
by Lester The Pimp on Oct 24, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, the guy has lost to 2 guys in the last 5 years.
GSP and Fitch. how do you rank him outside the top 5?
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alves’ only two wins of any note are over 1) Koscheck who came in on like a week’s notice and decided to stand and trade with Alves until it was too late.
2) hughes, also on short notice, in which Alves showed up in another weight class.
How did he get to be such a top contender in the 1st place???
Those rankings are also based on activity of the fighters...
Alves had such a long layoff, while all those other guys were still fighting decent-to-Top 10 opposition.
I’m sure that if Alves gets past Howard and gets another Top 10 win, he may bounce back into the Top 5. But it all depends on who he beats, and how he beats them.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
Lytle, Karo, Hughes, Koscheck...
A streak like that was worthy enough, at the time, to elevate a guy into the Top 5, IMO.
To be honest I can’t really think off the top of my head what the Top 5 would’ve looked like back then, but I’m pretty sure Hughes, Koscheck and Karo were in it, if not just outside it.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
Sanchez just beat down Paulo convincingly
so he definitely deserves to be in the top 10,plus if he comes in focused hed take Hardy any day.
Fedor "The Last Can Crusher" Emelianstinko finally falls at the hands of a washed up UFC Contender...the Irony:)
How do you have Paulo at #10 over Diego?
It wasn’t like Diego eeked out a decision, that was total domination.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Yeah,
Let’s reward this clown for being gutless and taking zero chances as he just fights for position all damn fight.
Only positive is that GSP would probably beat his ass like what he did to Fitch.
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by RogersPark Kris on Oct 24, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
To he answer the question...Hell NO!
Fitch deserves the shot. He was already told he’d get the title shot if he beat Alves and he did. Make Fitch fight Shields in January and that will be close enough to the GSP fight so they can have the winners fight for the title. I think Fitch would run through Shields. Hell I’d rather watch Condit vs. GSP.
by Shadows and Dust on Oct 24, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, they did say that...
but I think they changed their minds when Fitch was unable to finish Alves. Which I can kinda understand; sure Alves is one of the best in the world at WW, but he was coming off a one year+ layoff and was having weight issues, and Fitch still couldn’t put him away.
On the flipside, this was Shields’ first fight at WW in a long time. I get the whole “he’s a grown man and is aware of the weight class he’s fighting in” etc etc, but I’m sure it takes time to readjust to a weight you haven’t be at in a while. Plus, cutting 20 pounds the night before the weigh-ins, and still getting the win: that’s impressive.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
Dana always promises and takes away title shots.
He has been doing it for years. You can’t take anything he says seriously. That being said, from what we saw from Shields last night, he would lose to Fitch, St. Pierre, and Koscheck.
He would definately lose to GSP...
and I could see Fitch outworking him too.
As for Koscheck though… I think Jake would probably beat him. He’d capitalise on Koscheck’s wild punches and take him down time and again.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
I know
So why stand behind it now when Shields arguably lost that fight? Put Shields in with Fitch and let them decide who deserves it. I love how this shit blows up in his face everytime he guarantees a title shot.
by Shadows and Dust on Oct 24, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Where's All The Idiots?
Where’s the morons who were saying, “I appreciate a tactital ground match” when referring to Jake Shields. That was horrible for any MMA fan to watch. Screw you retards who thought you knew what you were talking about. He didn’t win that fight either. You shouldn’t win a fight via hump.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
It's Rashad
The guy who knocks people out and stays active on the ground while sustaining a great cardio. Thats who it is.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
im a rashad fan too
i usually like watching shields on the ground, but his stand up is disgusting. but honestly, i dont know how you dont give Shields the win.
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Because...
… takedowns and control is not enough. Kampmann is the only one who did any significant damage. Kampmann is the only one who came close to a submission. You shouldn’t be awarded a win for hugging your opponent for three rounds.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
click this
Takedown and control wins fights.
1 & 2 to SHields, 3 to kamp
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/10/sheilds-vs-kampmann-fightmetric-report.html
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by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What I Meant Was
takedowns and control shouldn’t be enough. Or at least shouldn’t be the determining factor when other, more significant things, happen in the fight.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
that where things get convoluted
what shouldnt isnt what is, therefore you have to judge the fights base on the rules!
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by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I’ve never seen a fighter be able to mount his opponents on a consistent basis and not be able to do anything with such a dominant position like Jake Shields. He mounted Hendo, Mayhem, and even mounted Kampman multiple times and as always doesn’t do anything with it but lay on top. The sooner this guy starts losing and gets cut from the UFC the better he is an A+ Wrestler but the rest of his game is trash
He gassed....
He does better at 185.
And lol at anyone who thinks failmann won, he got layed on every round.
30-27 Shields.
But yeah, his “standup” is as horrible as Lesnars, why is it so hard for these guys to even become decent on their feet?
by Lester The Pimp on Oct 24, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
Thats was pretty bad,
I thought Kamp won that fight, he was way more active. If they do give Sheilds to GSP he better come stronger and in better shape than he was last night, George will slaughter the Jake Shields that showed up last night.
BTW, Duece02 is a Av Bet Dodger
He bet with on Sanchez/Thiago and is nowhere to be seen. Punk.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
its sunday.
he’ll be here monday.
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by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The fuck you say "G"?
Because I wasn’t posting on Sunday I am a bet dodger? Are you high? Don’t question my word. I honor my bets. Not only do I honor them, but you are such an irregular poster that I had to actually search mania for “g-squat” just to find your ass. Weaksauce.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Posting That Was The Only Way To Get You To Show Up.
And it worked. As of late, I post way more often than you. I’ll post your av and sig right here tonight. One week from tonight you can change it. Told you Diego was gonna dominate.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
You Suck at Calling Fights and Reading.
I said “as of late”. Be here tonight, sore loser.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
and as I said
I had over 200 posts last week alone, you have 175 total. Who is good at math now? Not a sore loser. I will take the sig and av. What I don’t like is being called a cheat and a liar by someone who barely even posts here.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
also
I don’t post on command so your “be here tonight” crap is really stupid. I post here daily. Find me when you have your sig and av ready.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Well As Much As You Post
It was quite convenient for you to not post once all day Sunday. Be here tonight means I’ll have your av and sig posted here tonight you tard. You suck at losing. Lose the ’tude.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
Jesus
Quite convenient that I wasn’t here on Sunday? I don’t recall making a bet that said I had to be on the boards at a specified time to receive the sig. What part of “I don’t really post on the weekends” don’t you understand?
When you call out my word, I am going to get upset. As soon as you give me my sig, I will post it up, and keep it there for a week. This is obviously your first sigbet on mania. You don’t get to introduce your own set of rules buddy.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
No Rules
Just seemed like you were trying to avoid the inevitable.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
If I was trying to avoid you, I wouldn’t be talking to you right now. The fact that I am here, asking for my sig should just stop this whole “dodging the av bs”.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
and just a reminder
The best isn’t from Saturday night to Saturday, or Sunday morning to Sunday morning. It is one week from when you give me the new sig and av. So, if you give it to me tonight, and I put it up tomorrow morning, it will be from Tuesday morning til Tuesday morning.
You cannot expect to call out someone’s integrity and not expect attitude bud.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Like I Said
Just seemed strange for someone who posts as much as you do not to be seen the entire day after an av bet. All I was doing was trying to make sure you showed. Didn’t know a thing about you or if you’d do something like that.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
Not going to hash this out again
Just give me the sig, and I will be done with it in a week.
Lesson learned, don’t make bets with someone you don’t know.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
He went 5 with hendo at 185
i dont think he could have lasted another half round with kamp. Me think the cut had an effect (not an excuse, but an effect).
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by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think he would do better at 185 or 170?
As far as level of opposition is concerned, not his cardio.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
Same.
More wrestlers/guys willing & likely to fight on the grond = more submission wins for Jake.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
185 forsure. I said it right from the beginning. He should go after Anderson Silva ant not GSP.
Fuck Ben Askren!
both guys would fuck him up.
he would have a better chance with silva though.
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MUCH better. But I agree, either guy would fuck him up in 5 rounds.
He will never be UFC champion as long as those guys are on top.
Fuck Ben Askren!
meh u also thought Silva was gonna crush Sonnen. . .
Something tells me Silva wouldn’t catch Shields in a triangle =).
Silva did crush Sonnen and put him to sleep. Dispite Sonnen's steroid use.
Sonnen cheated, juiced, and still went out like a bitch. Haven’t heard from him in a while, have you?
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, for now.
I haven't heard anything from Silva
Has he had anything to say about that 23 minutes of being dominated? What did he say about being outstruck on the feet by Chael?
jay.
The positive steroid test said it all, nothing really left to say.
Silva is a warrior who still finishes a cheating completely roided-up juicer.
All Silva said is that he submitted him for the Nog brothers who Chael insulted.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
haha actually it was proved on 2 different samples.
He got a 1 year suspension. He got convicted.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
Yes he got a 1 year suspension, and 2 seperate samples tested in 2 seperate labs came back positive.
He is appeling to the commission on December 3rd.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
still 'convicted' none the less..
fuck cheal sonnen & all the steroid junkies!~
im looking at you barnett!
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
Fuck BArnett.
I can’t belive Coker signed him after 3 steroid convictions. So frustrating that my favorite fighter is in that mess of a promotion.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
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josh “the maybe laced assass” barnett, shouldn’t even be allowed to make money in japanese wrastlin let alone being allowed back in MMA…
fuck barnett!
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
I see that you are giving Anderson props for squeeking a win out over a steroid abuser
But won’t do the same for Brock. Carwin has been on roids this whole time.
jay.
I gave Brock huge props for surviving Carwin and submitting him.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
lol i would never jump of a real fighter's ship.
Fedor is my favorite and I still think is the best HW in the world, even after the loss top a lower-ranked guy.
Brock is AFRAID TO TAKE A PUNCH. Yes I like to repeat that in caps. It is such a cowardly thing, I really cannot believe it. A fighter afrait to take a punch?
GSP is not afraid to take a punch, he just admittedly prefers to keep the fight in his realm. He is a fighter.
Brock is not a fighter.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
Brock is not a fighter
Yet you were a fan yesterday. You were probably a Yankees fan on Friday as well.
I bet Cain and the Texas Rangers are your two favorite things right now. I know your type. You have a Sox hat and a Yankees shirt depending on how the teams are doing. That’s cool.
Who’s your favorite UFC HW now? Cain or JDS? Or are you going to wait until after they fight to choose? You don’t choose favorites over who’s winning. That’s a fair weather fan and fair weather fans are garbage.
jay.
I'll be 100% behind Cote
until he gets cut Monday morning.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
My 2 favorite UFC HW's are Roy Nelson and JDS
I respect Cain a lot, especially since he is undefeated, however I will be rooting for JDS.
I have never watched a baseball game in my life, so i don’t know the rest of what you are blabbering about.
Like I said, my favorite fighters are Fedor and Anderson. That hasn’t changed for the last 3 years.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, forever.
Funny thing is my 2 favourite HWs are Cain and JDS
Though I’ve been a fan of both since their UFC debuts and tipped them both for greatness early on when both had their critics (and still do to a lesser extent). I’ve always been a Brock fan as well, I’d have been happy seeing him or Cain win to be honest as I will be watching Cain and Junior.
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Shields Vs GSP
is remotely interesting just to see Shields lose. Does Shields deserve it? Hell no. Does anyone really enjoy watching Shields fight save the die hard technical grapplers? He puts people to sleep. Shields Vs Fitch on the Winter Insomnia card. They better put them on the same card as GSP or another huge draw or no one will buy it. But again, who really cares about Shields, dude just is shite to watch.
I had Kampmann winning that fight...
…until he made that final choke attempt with about 2 minutes left in the 3rd. Too muck risk. By not sinking in the choke he left himself in bottom position and Jake maintained control for the rest of the round and eventual took his back which is huge in the eyes of the judges. Costly, costly mistake, Hitman. IMO you CANNOT give Shields the title shot after that performance.
A draw can only happen if there was a point deduction or a 10:8 round.
None of those rounds were even remotely close to a 10:8.
Fuck Ben Askren!
Judges are allowed to score rounds 10-10 if there is no clear winner. They just don’t ever do that though.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Well, I had Jake clearly win 1 and 2. So only a 10:8 in the third would have given Kampman the draw in my mind.
I had no problem with the decision.
Fuck Ben Askren!
shoulda been UD. Jake was NOT dropped by those knees he was diving in for the takedown because he thought it would be easier to take Martin down when he was off-balance.
Agreed, the replays showed that he dived in.
He might have been hurt by them and dived as a reflex, but he was not dropped, thats forsure.
Another loss to kg12, the original conductor of The Cain Train. Velasquez > Lesnar = UFC HW Champ. Brocktober is over, for now.
The rule says
Round winner gets 10 points, loser gets 9 or less. It doesn’t say anything about 10-10 being possible. I don’t think it is allowed.
jay.
10-10 is allowed!
look it up, jay.
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the jibbidy jabber, i'll jab your jaw and not your funnybone, hun. skip the ovalteen id rather have my honeycombs, um
If it's allowed but never used
I’d say it’s an unwritten rule that it isn’t allowed.
Brock’s wrestling is more overrated than his 280lbs frame and athleticism. Cain would have outwrestled that ass up and down the mats in pure wrestling all day long and you all know it. Sidenote all hail NNR
it is used though
and no im not gonna go search when last time was, it’s just rare that there’s a 10-10 round. last night there were none, but it does happen!
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It should be used
It was by one judge for an Anderson-Leites round and it should be used when a round is even regardless of the worries of their being more draws. 10-9 is too easy a score to use and it doesn’t always apply to a round, they need to change the way that rounds are scored so that dominant and even rounds don’t receive the same score.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
I will lose...
…all of the very little respect I have for DW and the UFC if they give Shields a title shot. Seriously, what the hell could Shields do against the GSP machine?
WHo do you want?
Fitch?
WHY?
They already fought, you can only kick a dead horse so many times.
SHields makes sense in every way.
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He can't do any worse than Hardy
Or anyone else who GSP has faced. He needs another win to secure his title shot though after a poor display against Kampmann (who once again had a chance to get a big win but blew it by fighting with no strategy).
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
I say one more fight
He did great, but I think he needs one more 170 fight to convince me he’s ready for a title shot. I like Shields, and I’m glad he won; I was rooting for him. I just don’t think a split decision win is compelling enough to put him the next in line. I say give Shields the winner of Penn vs. Hughes.
The definition of lay and pray
This was a horrible fight, but you cant blame Shields for being strategic and playing it safe.
Its a shame. That could’ve been a great fight if Shields felt he had to go for subs to get the W, but as of todays judging, posistioning is enough even though kampmann did more damage. He didnt go for a single sub for fear o losing position.
Boring wrestling matches cant be avoided no matter what the rules say, but I dont think the sport should allow game plans like that ( positioning only ) to work.
It was pretty clear that if that fight had been more than 15 minutes, kampmann without a doubt wouldve beaten him seeing how gassed shields was. Quoting Shields teammate Melendez, “you cant wrestle a guy to death”
I'd like to see Jake fight Fitch before title shot
While it wasn’t a great performance, he controlled the fight for the most part and should have gotten the nod. Weight cut was apparently pretty bad…he even mentions it on the stool after the 1st round. Props for him for gutting it out against very good competition. He’s pretty amazing with his takedowns in that if he doesn’t get it initially, he’ll at least maintain a clinch so he can work for it later. He does that better than just about anybody. Disappointed though with Martin that he didn’t fight more to stay out of the clinches, stay on the outside to do damage. Don’t think he fought a smart fight.
Take-downs and wrestling are fine in MMA, however, once an opponent is on the ground...
ground n pound should follow or a quick submission…..not just lying on the opponent until the round ends. If you go into MMA, expect to throw some elbows, punches and kicks to the body. It is so frustrating to see a takedown and nothing is accomplished. It is a mix of combat skills, not just a one to buy time as in this fight.
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