Nick Diaz: 'I want to fight at 155, 185 -- and against Georges St. Pierre' (Video)
by Jesse Holland on Oct 11, 2010 5:28 PM EDT
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Will Diaz eventually follow Jake Shields and jump ship for the UFC?
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i'm a big nick diaz fan
but i dont think he’d have any answers for GSP, I’d like to see it of course but it’s not a good match-up style wise for diaz
GSP would crush Diaz
He does amaze me w/ how he can bounce around and be successful at different weight classes. I think he would struggle at MW and w/ some WW’s in the UFC though. Seeing him as a LW in the UFC would be interesting.
He said that he fought everyone that GSP fought??? How the fuck is that Nick???
I think Noons messed up Nicks brain a bit! lol I’m a Diaz fan and I think he would do well against most at 170 in the UFC. And against GSP he would put up more of a fight than the last bunch that of guys that fought him. He would get taken down of course, but his jj would be a big help. Being a good wrestler means NOTHING against GSP bc he will win that war. It’s what can you do before you’re on your back and what you can do off of your back. Nick has that advantage over most at 170! I want to see this fight play out.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
No doubt. I want that fight as well.
Doesn’t seem like GSP is going to 185 anytime soon so he will need a new opponet if he beats Kos and Shields. There are tons of good matchups for Nick in the UFC. Now in SF, not so much.
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So you are predicting Hughes over BJ then?
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I am actually picking Hughes over BJ.
Hughes has certainly looked the better of the 2 in their recent fights, and Bj does have troubles with good wrestlers.
I would like to see Diaz fight GSP, but only because GSP is running out of opponents. I don’t think Diaz (or anyone else right now for that matter) is beating GSP.
by naturalshadow on Oct 12, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He had trouble with Frankies speed
in both fights. Frankie hardly used any wrestling in the first match, and it was because he is so fast he was able to use it effectively in the second match. Everybody has trouble with GSPs wrestling. Hughes is not half as fast as Edgar, so BJ is not going to have the same problems. He is going to connect more times than not, and having to deal with someone as fast as Edgar in his last two matches, will probably make his stand up domination of the much slower Hughes even more one sided than it would have been if he hadn’t faced Edgar. BJ beat Stevenson easily who is a strong wrestler, he also beat Sherk who thought that his wrestling would not be good enough without wearing out BJ in the stand up first (which backfired on him), and he was also absolutely taking Hughes to school when they last fought and only lost because he injured his rib http://www.ultimate-fighter.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?id=1481, Hughes’s wrestling had nothing to do with his win. BJ’s superior striking is going to get him the TKO against the slower Hughes.
Nick Diaz may not have much chance of beating GSP, but I doubt his performance will be worse than Hardys, and it definitely will not be any more one sided thaan some of GSP’s other matches. It only took one punch from Serra, who said before that match, all it takes is for me to do one thing, when he thinks I am going to doing something else. Didn’t quite work in the rematch though.
I agree that BJ is the much better striker, but I don't thnk Hughes plans on trading with him very much.
Stevenson is a decent wrestler, but not nearly as good as Hughes. I think this fight goes to the ground, and if BJ can’t get the submission, then Hughes probably wins by decision.
by naturalshadow on Oct 13, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh
BJs BJJ>Than Diaz and GSP destroyed BJ when he was on his back and BJ is harder to take down and GSP again destroyed him.
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 12, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz fights completely different
to any other fighter, so it would be hard to tell wether or not GSP would find easier or not to fight than BJ. BJ may well have a better ground game on paper than Diaz, but when kicks, elbows and punches are all involved, I do not think you can automatically assume that because BJ was destroyed on his back, that means it will also happen to Diaz.
Plus Diaz is bigger and has B.J. ever sub anyone off of his back?
I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. Where as Diaz is more creative and look at his sub off of his back against Gomi. I don’t see Diaz beating GSP, just that he will be his best fight since Serra 1.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
To sub someone you have to establish some kind of control (most of the time)
BJs guard is legendary for not being able to pass and him being able to control your posture. I honestly think the only issue GSP would have is Diaz long reach but that just means he has long legs for chuting on.
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 12, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP has a longer reach (76" to Diaz’s 74") although Diaz is slightly taller.
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Damn,
I was just assuming since Diaz looks so damn lenky, my bad.
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 12, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
coker said he will be keeping nick
according to scott coker, he keeps the fighters he wants to keep and nick is their champion and they want him in sf.
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by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 12, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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Scott can't afford to sign anyone the UFC wants. If Nick stays with SF after his contract is up it is because NICK wants to stay.
Scott has no control over anything. It doesn’t matter who he wants and doesn’t want. He holds no cards in this game.
jay.
depends Jay
He can pay a select few, not because they have the money, but because showtime/CBS is involved.
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What does that mean? CBS was supposed to put these fights on, they backed out because they want more control.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see CBS back out of the deal all together.
jay.
at the post fight press conference
Coker said they’ll be reevaluating CBS at beginning of 2011. What I mean is they can pay a few guys because of network deals
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SF can pay him, he obviously doesn't mind fighting for 50K....
But they can’t put any fighters in front of him. If he decides to leave (Coker plays no role in this) it will be to find the best 170 guys. SF can’t provide that and I think Nick is the kind of guy that wants that.
jay.
Kev
You don’t have to believe everything Scotty whispered in your ear this weekend. He is nice to all the guys.
jay.
I'm just saying what he said
not to me, to the press conference. CBS was specifically asked about. IMO, they will be dumping SF, but where does that leave SF? I dont think they are doing well considering they sold 7k seats in their home town with Diaz and Thompson (both from area) on the card
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defensive?
I knew u were playing, I was explainging what was said. Thought some guys may have thought I talked to Coker, didn’t want anyone to get wrong idea!
was very surprised at low gate turn out!
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That's a very poor turnout
I think that SF are too reliant on their deals with CBS and M-1, both of those companies have too much influence over SF matchmaking and who they sign and if either of them pull out then SF have nowhere to go as a business. They’ve invested a lot of money after making these deals to expand and right now it seems that there’s been a lot of renegotiating and pulling out of agreements from both sides, so who knows how long these alliances will last. If they don’t then this could be the end of SF because they’re certainly not making enough money from their live shows or Showtime to pay their top guys and stage major cards.
And Coker’s a liar or an idiot if he claims that he let Jake go, Shields has wanted to fight the likes of GSP in the UFC for years and he left the first chance that he got. Now he has the chance to gain the respect his talent and record deserves. I hope that Nick follows him in the near future as does Gil.
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He can't make 155 can he?
Did he struggle for 160 before? I respect Diaz but I think that’s a crazy call even with all his triathlons
it was on short notice if i can remember
but i dont see 55 being good for him anymore. Anyone know what he cuts from?
Diaz/GSP would be a great fight, and a good (crushing) win for GSP. Much like the SHields fight will be.
If he wants to fight at 185 why was he just telling Mayhem to come down to 170?
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by *Californication* on Oct 11, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He has struggled at making 160 IIRC. Can’t see him having much better luck at making 155 on a consistent basis than his brother did.
I think he said it himself in he vid
He just wants to get paid $$$$$ and I guess he figures he can find marketable fights for him not just at WW, but at 155 and 185 too. Unless your name’s Mayhem, I guess.
Bad idea
Both Nick and Nate should be thinking about getting bigger not smaller, they’re not skinny kids anymore so they can’t make the same weight that they could in their youth. Dehydrating themselves and losing muscle mass won’t help their frames and will affect their performances in general, they’re both better off at 170 (or 185 in Nick’s case).
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I dunno about Nate
I think he could stay competitive at 155 once his wrestling improves. Nate will get destroyed at 170 against Fitch, KOS, Hughes etc. But at 155 with the smaller fighters his jits would be more effective I think with smaller (height wise) fighters and those around his own weight. Diaz can fight at either weight in SF, I’d like to see him fight Hendo at 185 to see how he does against wrestlers at the heavier division. But if he were to come to UFC he’d need to concentrate on one class and again I’d think 170 would suit him more
Well
Unless he quits being an utter douche bag, the GSP fight isn’t happenig and he knows it. I think he’s just running his mouth trying to soak up as much of the spotlight as he can
by soupdz28 on Oct 11, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He should go to the UFC if he wants to gain exposure
But GSP has nothing to gain by fighting him.
If anything GSP should look towards moving up in weight and go for the GSP/Silva superfight.
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by RogersPark Kris on Oct 11, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
stfu about the ufc. get the ufc's dick out your mouth
“Will Diaz eventually follow Jake Shields and jump ship for the UFC?”
this site is becoming like the rest. zuffazombie fest.
Show some respect man. And what exactly is wrong with wanting to see Diaz fight against the best competition?
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What?
The UFC is the major league of MMA. Why wouldn’t an MMA site speculate about one of its minor league champions jumping up to Zuffa?
It’s like speculating if someone from the AHL will make a transition up to the NHL. It’s natural to wonder if these guys will come up and compete in the big league. Diaz has fought Noons, Zaromskis, Smith, and F.Shamrock in Strikeforce. Do you really think that compares to GSP fighting Fitch, Alves, Hardy, Hughes x2, Penn, Serra, Koscheck, Sherk, & Parisyan? Come on now. Nobody’s sucking Zuffa’s nuts. Everyone knows Zuffa is several steps up from Strikeforce.
by TheMuscleShark on Oct 11, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
nobody is sucking zuffa's nut? its clear when you stated its the nhl of mma.
it is the biggest show but all of you push other orgs to the side and give them no respect.
“will he go to ufc?” on a strikeforce fighters vid is laughable. no “mma” blogs give any fighters and orgs out side zuffa any respect. its pathetic.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao beatjuice=win.
but you do fail miserably for posting a motivator.
which means you have nothing better to respond with.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
All your doing is insulting, what have you proved? Besides you can call anyone you want a nuthugger.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
saying the truth is not an insult.
fact; this site and most of its followers have zuffas ball in your throats.
fact; you guys cant handle the truth(lmao).
fact; i have more haters now because im saying the truth, which is this site is pure pro zuffa.
Im not here to piss any of you off. you guys are taking this way out of proportion.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Fact: None of the "facts" you just posted are actually facts.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
I watcfh all products and after I watch the product in my opinion the UFC is much more exciting overall
Does that make me a nuthugger? No it just means I have enjoyed the UFC product so far better than any other.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I have personally loved a few of the fights SF has done
They are just not a credible organization as their champioinships mean relatively little as they do not have their champions face the #1 contender on a consistent basis.
I have really like Bellator lately they put on some good fights but SF is getting to be a joke. Diaz running his mouth about get him GSP or saying his brother does it so he could implying he could go to the UFC, but the real deal is he was 4-4 in the UFC hardly a threat to GSP.
Having thousands of posts on a MMA site does not make you an expert, training martial arts, wrestling or boxing makes you an expert.
I don't think anyone hates and MMA fight Ronin
If someone likes Bellator better than the UFC, and some do on here we don’t call them nuthuggers and some like SF better same thing. Give reasons why and we can debate. The UFC gives us more fights than any other org and is watched by more fans than any other org of coarse they will have more fans on blog sites than any other org as well. SF puts on fights that are enjoyable as well as many of us enjoyed the Diaz and Noons card. Just becasue some of us like the UFC overall better doesn’t make us haters of any other org.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Naw dude. Im totally cool with being a mma fan and a fan of the ufc.
the thing is that every single “mma” blog puts the ufc on a golden pedestal. They along with many many fans dont respect fighters outside the ufc and orgs that are non zuffa.
This isnt meant directly towards you. You seem like an eductated mma fan. Im just pointing out this site has completely went pro zuffa. discredting Nicks career by saying “will he go to the ufc?”. as if saying, he’s nothing unless he’s in the ufc.
Thats disrespectful. This also dont go out towards SF, but all mma orgs. No one respects fighters outside zuffa. There are a few who do get respect, but 95% of them are overlooked by zuffa zombies and journalists(zuffa-lists) because they dont fight in zuffaland.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
5-0 in zuffaland. Hunting down one zuffazombie at a time.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No there are disrespected UFC fighters and cards as well
PW put a example with the Mir card as one many hated, many hate Fitch’s style along with other grapplers like him, many hate Dana on here, Many hate Brock on here just to name a few. I think your reading way to much into this the reason many are talking about Diaz in the UFC on this thread is because he stated his desire to fight GSP. Would you not like to see what Diaz could do against the UFC fighters right now?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
why cant ufc fighters do good against nick diaz at his promotion, sf.
if ufc fighters are so good, then they shouldnt have trouble fighting in a ring or in another promotion.
Now you’re making it look like i hate ufc fighters, thats not the case. The case isnt fighters in the ufc, or fans of it. I respect the hell out of the fighters in the ufc. All mma fighters for that matter.
The case is that every “mma” blog is a zuffa blog. that is all. nothing more, nothing less.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
5-0 in zuffaland. Hunting down one zuffazombie at a time.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
why cant ufc fighters do good against nick diaz at his promotion, sf. if ufc fighters are so good, then they shouldnt have trouble fighting in a ring or in another promotion.
The fact is, the UFC is a bigger stage than Strikeforce. The fighters as a whole get paid more and make more from sponsorships because they have more exposure. The champion of the UFC weight classes is widely regarded as the “world champion” because they’re fighting in the most talent-rich divisions any promotion can offer.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Well the UFC has a bigger stage and that like Diaz would like to see him on the biggest stage
Like it or not the fact is the UFC has the biggest draw and puts on more events than the other orgs combined.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i have already said the ufc is the biggest show
but we’ll never know if they are truly the best until they beat the best outside the ufc. which of course, will never happen. so to assume ufc fighters are the best because they solemly fight in the ufc or in wec isnt being much of a mma fan but more of a zuffa zombie. Many of ufc fighters have lost more times outside the ufc then in it. Most of them are top level fighters but its disrespectful when zuffa blogs and “mma” fans brush aside non zuffa fighters rep, skills and abilities because they dont fight under the zuffa promotion.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
6-0 in zuffaland. Hunting down one zuffazombie at a time.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
See this is were your wrong
Many think Fedor, Diaz and a few others are better than the best UFC fighters in those divisions. Diaz fans would prefer to see Diaz in the UFC more than the other way around. Thats a entire different debate on who the best is, wanting Diaz to fight on the biggest stage is the reason most want Diaz in the UFC.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Again, i have already stated in a different comment, respond to YOU
that there are a few exceptions of fighters outside the ufc that are rightfuly respected.
I have no idea where you are going with this now. You are taking this in a completely different and unnecessary direction.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No I`m not I`m trying to explain to you why many want Diaz in the UFC
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Ronin, do you honestly believe
that the fighters outside the UFC (as a whole) compare favorably to those within the UFC? I’m an “educated MMA fan” and I think there’s a noticable difference between the two, particularly at WW, MW and LHW.
I thought SF put on a great event this past Saturday, and I think they should get a lot of credit for vastly improving. But as a whole, they are not on the same level as the UFC in my opinion. And as for Nick, he is a great fighter who has performed very well, but to question the level of competition he’s faced is fair. Were he fighting in the UFC there’s no question he’d be facing consistently better competition.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
you’ll never know if they’re on the same level until they fight.
the zuffa biased makes it seem like guys outside the ufc are b level fighters.
remeber when chuck, ufc’s a level fighter got handled by prides b level fighter, rampage? even back then they called themselves(ufc) the best. they’re scared to see their guys lose outside there promotion.
Im not here to be pro pride, im anti-zuffa zombie.
We’ll never know who’s better until they fight and assuming that ufc fighters are better because they fight on a broader stage is very near sited.
Take a look at Anderson Silvas win and loss record. all of his losses are outside the ufc and he is currently undeafted in the ufc.
im not saying the ufc doesnt have good fighters, they do. most of them are world class but to second guess fighters who dont fight within the ufc isnt being an “educated mma fan” thats being a zuffa zombie.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
6-0 in zuffaland. Hunting down one zuffazombie at a time.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
remeber when chuck, ufc’s a level fighter got handled by prides b level fighter,
Yes and most fans thought Pride was better than the UFC and had a better product. That doesn`t make us Pride nut huggers but we would of prefered to see the best then fight in Pride over the UFC then. Now the uFC has the consensus best fighters and with out a doubt the biggest stage, most would prefer to see fighters come to the UFC over the other way around. It`s not being Zuffa Zombies Ronin there is little debate that the UFC has the best just like there was little debate that Pride had the best back when Chuck went over there.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
chuck got handled in pride buy their b level fighter while at his prime.
cro cop got handled in the ufc in his prime.
How things are looking, theres never going to be a way to find out who’s #1 until fighters can fight every top ranked fighter outside zuffa. thats my point. dont be so quick to call ALL the ufc fighters the best because a lot of them arent and some of them are.
If bellator and sf can get eddie/gilbert, thats definitely for thr #1 lw but for the other weight classes its up in the air except for Shogun aswell; he pretty much beat every top ranked lhw out there.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
6-0 in zuffaland. Hunting down one zuffazombie at a time.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say the rankings are shit because there is no interorganizational fights, and then go onto say that Eddie/Gil fight is definetly for the number one and Shogun is definetly number one.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
you make absolutely no sense.
Eddie is top 4 lw in the world(he hasnt fought under one org his whole career, unlike most zuffa fighters)
Gilbert is currently #1 because he beat Aoki, who was #1 lw at the time he won. This fight will be between two champs for two DIFFERENT orgs.
Shogun has defeated all of prides top fighters and machida twice, who was said to be unbeatable by 95% of all media and fans. Shogun is clearly the #1 lhw. i dont see how you can disagree with that.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of your opinion who the best is Ronin
The consensus rankings by the media is Melendez is not the number 1 LW in the world, they do agree Shogun is as they do GSP at WW. What you are saying is the shogun is the best because he beat the best in Pride and UFC even though he hasn`t beat the best at SF? And you are saying Melendez is the best even though he hasn`t beat the beswt in the UFC? Can you say hypocrite?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
The media is pure pro zuffa.
your argument is invalid.
I would be a hypocrite if i said anyone fighter that fought solemly in one org for most of their career was the best.
Shogun has beaten the best in pride and the best the ufc has offered him. Mousasi has only fought in lhw a handful of times, cavalcante’s big win is over king mo. that isnt enough to be cosidered #1. top 5 sure but Shogun has beaten the best that BOTH pride and the ufc has offered him.
again your are bring up usless material in which has no relevance.
Im better off coversing with a wall.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say your not being a hypocrite
Melendez is the best why? And now your making sh?t up by saying the media is all pro UFC. The MMA media for the most part is pro MMA andyes that = pro UFC as well as pro SF and pro Bellator. And yes your being a hypocrite Melendez is the best even though he hasn`t fought the consensus number one LW for the last 5 years? LOL whatever makes your story work but it`s obvious your more of a hater of Zuffa than a fan of MMA.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Gilbert is #1 but to solidfy that he will have to beat Eddie
Im still not completely stable with that agrument, saying he is #1 but he has beaten better overall competition than frankie(who is one of my favs) only exception is Bj penn.
You are truly blind if you do not believe the media is purely pro zuffa. Just take a quick glance at the rankings. And how are you to decided that ufc fighters always fight the best competition when they can ONLY fight ufc fighters? Im not being a hypocrite because both gil and eddie go to other orgs to fight the best, they arent chained down and arent fed “contenders” by a single org but as i said. Im better off talking to a wall.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
LOL
Puckhead either brings out the worst in people or he’s the resident troll fighter.
He always gets in these giant arguments that nobody can read through. The discussion always spins in circles.
jay.
thanks for pointing out he's a troll lol
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
14-0 in zuffaland. Hunting down one zuffazombie at a time.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
These long threads always seem to be Puck arguing with some egomaniac over nothing.
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It wasn't over nothing
It started with me defending guys that he was calling UFC nuthuggers because they wanted to see Diaz in the UFC then turned into Melendez being the best LW in the world?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Let’s let Shogun defend his title first. He still has some ugliness to erase that came in the form of Forrest (surgeries are not even part of the debate as the fact is he lost). I wasn’t arguing that the rankings were wrong, I was stating that I think your logic wasn’t sound. Using your logic of how we can really never tell who is #1 because everyone doesn’t fight everyone how can you say that if Gil and Eddie fight they are definetly #1. They still wouldn’t have fought guys like BJ or Frankie (or every other top guy from other orgs) in order to solidify that. Also, how can you say that most Zuffa fighters haven’t fought outside of that org? I bet you couldn’t name 5 fighters who have only fought for Zuffa.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Shogun already defended his belt, a ko against machida
Fact is he lost to forrest, FACT is he was INJURED.
You have never, once stated that the ranking were wrong. never.
gilbert and eddie have fought more higher ranked competiton under different orgs than many of the “top” fighters in the ufc.
I have also never stated that all ufc fighters have only fought under the ufc.
so your bet would be unnecessary, because my argument never included me saying ufc fighters have fought there whole career in there
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he hasnt fought under one org his whole career, unlike most zuffa fighters
He didn’t defend his belt as Machida was still champ no matter if you think that was legit or not. Fact is Forrest was injured as well before that fight.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
the whole world knew machida lost.
Its only safe to assume that Shogun should have rightfully been champ and defended his belt against machida. Its not correct in the books but it is in everyone elses mind.
Every fighter is injured when they fight. its part of the sport but shogun had major injuries, so bad that he couldnt train for the fight. forrest has small and minor common injuries that all fighters deal with.
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
gilbert and eddie have fought more higher ranked competiton under different orgs than many of the "top" fighters in the ufc.
LOL yeah and BJ has fought cans your such a hypocrite Ronin it`s not even funny
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You have already said i've beaten you, so why do you keep coming back like you have somthing to prove?
You’re whole argument is invalid and makes no sense. You’re recycling the same material.
When have i stated that BJ was a can? BJ is one of the greatest there is. But my my favorite lw, frankie’s only big wins are over bj and that is it. his other wins arent over top competition.
You are only making your self look bad by arguing with me using useless material
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
But my my favorite lw, frankie’s only big wins are over bj and that is it. his other wins arent over top competition.
You said it there and as you would say `your a Melendez nuthugger`. Just read what you are saying Ronin and you will realize what a hypocrite you are.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
you're a known troll
thats probly why you make no sense. frankie is my favorite lw but gilbert is higher up. deal with it
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry Ronin, but his opinion is backed up by facts (rankings).
Yours, on the other hand, is backed up by nothing but more opinion (i.e. Gilbert has more impressive wins). Arguing that you make more sense in this instance is a logical fallacy.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
ranking are not facts, they're OPINIONS too
also, rankings are done by journalists who are zuffa biased. how many fuckin times do i have tell you guys this?
you’re a complete moron for thinking rankings are facts and not opinion oriented.
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Rankings are opinions based on facts,
and it is a fact that Edgar is ranked higher than Melendez. What part of that don’t you understand? I don’t understand why you continue to engage in this conversation when you seem to be getting extremely frustrated by all of it.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
I understand completely.
And i have no problem with other peoples “opinions” its an issue when they think they’re right, and its a fact the zuffa fighters are the best when that is not true, and in fact that is completely false.
Frankie, my favorite lw might be ranked by journalists, zuffa-lists, higher than gilbert but by comparing the level of competition they have faced and defeated, gilbert is clearly above him.
but these are my opinions and if you disagree, then fine. but rankings arent not based on facts. they are based on zuffa biased journalists.
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree, but respect your opinion.
And I believe rankings are based on facts in the sense that it is factual what a fighter’s record is, whom they have beaten and the time frame in which they have done so. Other aspects (like hypothetical match-ups) are very opinion based and I think should be removed from rankings. I suppose they’re necessary in P4P rankings, but those are extremely suspect by their very nature.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
FYI, regardless of personal opinions on who won Shogun/Machida I, fact is, on the record, Machida was given the win. The ko victory happened in Shogun/Machida II where Machida was still the reigning champion. Which means Shogun has not defended his title yet. Also, while Shogun was injured before the Forrest fight, what’s often glossed over is that Forrest was also fighting hurt.
I agree with this statement:
We’ll never know who’s better until they fight and assuming that ufc fighters are better because they fight on a broader stage is very near sited.
But then you say Melendez should be #1 based upon beating #1 Aoki, which is incorrrect. See here: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings/lightweight
Although Shinya is one of my all-time favorite fighters, his fight with Gil showed where the majority of Japanese fighters belong, which is not in the top 5. They are not versed enough in American wrestling to hold their own against bigger fighters (since 99% do not cut, Kawajiri being the notable exception) and better wrestlers
(Kawajiri and Ishida being the notable exceptions). Aoki proved the butt scoot does not work in the US against a quality opponent such as Gil, but that fight in no way shape or form proved that Gil is #1. BJ was #1 until losing to Frankie. So, by your logic, Frankie should be #1. Then Frankie beat a #2 consensusly ranked BJ Penn, by a greater margin, to solidify his place as the consensus LW in the world.
When lining up Frankie and Gil’s records, Frankie has a better record against higher ranked fighters from when they fought. I wish I could put a table in here showing the advantage, but I will try to format one here (frankie then gil = advantage):
BJ – Shinya = Frankie
Sherk – punk = Frankie
Griffin – Kawajiri = Gil
Franca – Ishida = push, but gil lost one to Ishida
Jim Miller – Guida = push when each fought, but Miller is much better now.
Do you disagree? And considering that Maynard is ranked ahead of Alvarez, if gil and Frankie both win, Frankie will still be #1. Frankie needs to lose for Gil to be #1.
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
like i have stated many times. rankings are based on journalists who are zuffa biased.
by saying japanese fighters dont belong in the top 5 then you’re discrediting everyone ones win over japanese fighters and demoting the skills of gilbert.
gilbert is number one because aoki was number one for fighting the highest profile fighters. I like bj but sanchez? really? frankie is second.
But these are my opinion, non zuffa biased so if you dont agree then thats fine. whatever floats your boat.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
No I think your ranking are based on hate
You have done nothing but knock the UFC? A org that brings more MMA fights than any other org to us? Are you really a fan of MMA, I don`t think so.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Who is biased now?
Gil held Aoki to 0-18 on TD’s, made him look foolish on the feet, and you legitimately believe that Aoki should have been #1 over BJ? REALLY? Based on what hard facts?
And yes, it is common knowledge that Japanese fighters are not well versed in American freestyle wrestling and do not cut weight. Both of these factors lead me to believe that in head to head matches, the North American fighter has the advantage due to the ability to control the smaller opponent. How many matches do we need to see like Gil/Aoki for you to rationalize this?
Listen, I am not going to sit here and nuthug the UFC. Too many on here do that already, but I have to rationalize the facts, which are not in your favor in this argument with ME ONLY. If you are just going to bash the UFC, how is what you are doing any better?
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
Ronin
You could be the best player in the Canadian Football League, but you will never be the best until you prove it in the NFL.
Who is this Ronin guy?
Ive read some of his comments today, is it introvert? Hey guys, go check out the exclusive Greg Jackson interview!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
is mondaymorningblackbelt.com your site?
if so, i like it very much.
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
very great site, sir.
about who is this Ronin guy?
I’ve been following this site since before it was with SBnation. I really liked it, somewhat still do. im just kind of sick with everything being mixed with zuffa but its still one of the best sites along with yours and rabbit-punch.net
I made this account a couple of months ago and i rarely ever post. just not worth the trouble since i disagree with nearly everyone here.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagreement is ok if you are willing to have a rational debate.
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
So your agaisnt pro UFC fans.
I don’t think this site is for you then find another and good luck.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
no shit. thats what i've been saying. this site used to be an "mma" blog but now its a zuffa blog like everyother one.
the ufc has the best production. picture quality is great, sound is great but the fights are far from exciting unless you’re a zuffa zombie. There are some good fights here an there but most of their fights are hugging and jabbing fests.
You probly thing nick lentz is an exciting fighter, huh?
You guys can resume your zuffa cock sucking fest now.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
fyi ronin, i hate the ufc nut huggin more then most, but this site kisses there ass way less then the others.
It does not get any better then the Mayhem and a bunch of sexy Japanese girls.--- The Voice
by DetroitDrew1980 on Oct 11, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
true but i already said that.
They dont kiss zuffas ass as much but my point was they are slowly making the converstion to becoming like everyother site. I hope it does continue because i like this site but as of late, this site has been purely pro zuffa with few exceptions of course. and that is my point.
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i hear ya.
I like SF having some of the best fighters in the world, personally its a lot more interested then having a zuffa manopoly which most feel is inecitable, i don’t think the monopoly in this sport is possible and i pray im right.
It does not get any better then the Mayhem and a bunch of sexy Japanese girls.--- The Voice
by DetroitDrew1980 on Oct 11, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
"will he go to ufc?" on a strikeforce fighters vid is laughable. no "mma" blogs give any fighters and orgs out side zuffa any respect. its pathetic.
It’s kind of reasonable though when one considers he’s talking about fighting the ufc welterweight champion. Kind of helps his chances for doing that if he were to, you know, fight in the ufc.
Again, he's not talking about fighting in the ufc
he’s telling gotdamn sleepin pill to step up and fight HIM, not the other way around.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Except, fighting GSP = fighting in the UFC...
Considering GSP is their WW champion, and the UFC doesn’t co-promote. Ergo, it’s really ridiculous for him or anyone else to think such a fight is possible otherwise. It would take Kos beating GSP for the belt followed by his subsequent and immediate dismissal for Nick Diaz vs. GSP to happen otherwise.
Nothng. I'd like to see Nick/gotdamn sleepin pill fight. but this site has turned into zuffa all day and night.
if i want zuffa news i can go to shitdog, mmajunkie and anyother “mma” site. enough with the ufc crap. i’d just like to see some legit mma, not this zuffa crap all day long.
dont get me wrong, ufc news is ok but thats what everysingle blog has. Just zuffa.
yeah, not sure what he's talkin about
The better fights for Nick are in the UFC. If you have a problem with that, then whatever. If you think otherwise, then you are delusional. Try using the reply button as well.
fighter payouts? medicals? lmao. fuck outa hee-uh bozo
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
anti-zuffa zombie= troll? im sick of the ufc/zuffa crap. bring in some fresh air
having a video about Nick then saying “will he go to ufc?” isnt any different.
im not going to suck on the ufc’s dick like the rest of you.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Suck on SF's then thats your choice.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
The best MMA org in the USA is the UFC. Nothing to do with "sucking dick."
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
What is wrong with you people?
Never feed a troll. Ever. Let him starve.
by Sp00ner1234 on Oct 11, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i would have but i didnt know puckhead was a troll.
but now i do. so i’ll do better in the future
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
elsewhere is zuffa land. cant you read? or do you need to go back to grade school?
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
am i a fuckin journalist? fuckin bozo's commenting on this site now too? this site has gone down the drain
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
your a journalist and can’t fathom that there is more UFC fans than SF!? WOW
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
you retard. did i ever state that i was a journalist? i wouldnt be, because all those guys suck zuffas cock.
and im not just here to attack zuffa and say praise SF. No. Im saying praise all mma not just zuffa.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing your doing is crying
Give them reason why you think MMA is MMA regardless were. Insulting fans proves nothing.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
im insulting no one. i was mearly pointing out this site has become infected with the zuffa virus
then i get zuffa zombies muching on my ass.
My wish, as a non zuffa zombie is to get a feed of mma, not watered down “mma” which is really zuffa biased.
Getting an occasional non zuffa video and non ufc news with zuffa conspiracies isnt any different then a full blown zuffa blog, which this site is heading to.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Zuffa virus?
You mean fans of the UFC product. Just because they like the UFC product more than any other doesn’t mean there nuthuggers. They like the product the UFC puts on over any other. Most of us enjoy all MMA but fact is most prefer the UFC product over any other. Deal with it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
obviously you cant deal with me saying this site has a hard case of the zuffa virus
i dont mind the ufc, i like watching it. no a problem. the problem is EVERY “mma” blog is pure zuffa. you’re making this seem worse then it is.
there isnt a problem with mma fans being fans of the ufc, the other problem is nearsited ufc fans. these guys arent fans of mma, their purely fans of zuffa.
but that has nothing to do with what i started. And thats me stating this site has became “mma” watered down with 100% zuffa juice.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure the question of when he’s going to the UFC was posed because Nick has fought basically everyone of interest outside of the UFC. The matchups for him within the UFC are much much more interesting to MMA fans than what’s left outside of the UFC for him. As far as this site having a lot of Zuffa news, that’s easy. They are the largest org. out there and obviously more news is going to be generated by them. When there is news about Strikeforce, Dream and even K-1 it gets posted as well, but the number of fighters and cards the UFC has just leads to more stories concerning them.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Also
I’m pretty sure Nick is the one who brought up a match with GSP….so Jesse was just using that in his story. I don’t see any nuthugging here.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Nick said, why doesnt gotdamn sleepin pill step up and fight him.
He never said anything about going to the ufc. only zuffa zombies would think of it as him wanting him to fight gotdamn sleepin pill in the ufc. Nick will fight anywhere, just pay him a good amount and he’ll fight no matter where it is.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't deny the UFC has the biggest stage Ronin
Thats why fans of Diaz and critics of Diaz would like to see him in the UFC. It`s like saying would you want Aldo to fight Edgar in the UFC or should Edgar fight Aldo in the WEC? I think it`s obvious most would prefer to see Aldo come up to the UFC as it is with Diaz.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
you do realize those critices are pro zuffa, right?
Fans of Nick want to see him the best no matter where it is. They dont neccesarly want him to jump shit because the "best’ fight under zuffa. they want the best to fight HIM. Not the other way around.
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No your wrong Ronin
Even most Diaz fans believe the best are in the UFC as does the MMA media and community. Have you not seen the consensus ranking that are made by 20+ MMA sites?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
My whole point when i started commenting was that i was sick of all the other sites
because they spew out nothing but zuffa crap. all zuffa blogs are crabon copies. that what i’ve been saying since the beginning… jeez, dont you have a brain?
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you not see with everything your saying
That your just a UFC hater? You can call us names and cut down this site and all the rest but you have proved nothing so far besides you can only insult in a debate with ignorant comments like
jeez, dont you have a brain?
The irony
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
yipes.. u guys... nuts'''
"Will Diaz eventually follow Jake Shields and jump ship for the UFC?"
Nick is saying it without really saying it.. that’s why title appropiate reads “Jump Ship for the UFC”
Nick is using the UFC possible offer to get more $$$ out of StrikeForce…. that’s probably why he also restrained and behaved himself this past few mths he wants to be marketable to earn more $$.
The point is Nick wants to get paid’’’ Nate n Shields r in the UFC, Nick likes what he sees and wants to negotiate $$$. saying he wants to fight GSP is a way of saying pay me $$. " Im a draw, “noons” got built off of me and I won, Im more marketable than ever. "
SF is building and I’d like it to get stronger and not lose Nick.
What Nick is doing is renegotiating his contract and using the UFC to boost the stakes!
are you really retarded?
i mean, i now know you’re a troll so you’re obviously a fuckin moron but i dont hate the ufc. i hate zuffa. its exactly like me hating my dads friend. i like my friend but i hate his dad.
you have nothing relevant, you’re a fuckin retarded troll. no go back to sucking zuffa’s dick
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
correction:
its exactly like me hating my friends dad*
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The irony, who`s really being a troll?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I know Nick has said he wants to fight GSP. The way Zuffa contracts are made means that would have to happen in the UFC if that’s what Nick really wants. This is why Jesse proposed the question of will Nick go to the UFC. GSP is widely considered the best WW out there, so I think it’s Nick who has to step up, not the other way around. No matter how much you don’t like that Zuffa fighters can’t fight for other orgs, it’s a reality (a lot of people don’t like that policy by the way). They can’t. Therefore Nick calling out GSP or anyother UFC fighter to come and fight him wherever is just stupid and it’s not going to happen.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Once again. I have never stated i hate zuffa fighters
I just stated that not all zuffa fighters are the best. what can you understand about that? How do you get, i hate zuffa fighters from that? can you read? do you know english?
the only reason ufc is brought up in ever topic is because everyone is zuffa biased. in order to be relevant to the media, who are all pro zuffa, you have to fight in the ufc. and thats non sense.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
First, I didn’t say you didn’t like Zuffa fighters…I said you don’t like the fact that they can’t fight outside of their org. Big difference. Can you not read? Do you understand english? Second, the person who brought up UFC and it’s fighters was NICK DIAZ. I understand that he probably got asked questions about it and that’s why I don’t blame him.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
I mistook your comment for someone elses who said i dont like the ufc
its irratating and its pretty much all the feedback i’ve been getting and i got it confused with yours.
Anyways the only reason these guys call out ufc fighters is because the media makes it seem like they are truly the best. and its not true.
And thats exactly what with i started out with. the media is zuffa biased.
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by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
I’ve been telling those guys that our football players in the Canadian Football League are just as good as theirs in the NFL. I told them, if no NFL team has ever faced a CFL team, how can you say they are better? They just don’t understand.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
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How can you possibly say that? It is the equivalent of saying that Oklahoma would lose to Boise State if they played in a bowl game…oh wait…
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
are you honestly comparing mma to a organized team sport?
fuck outa hee-uh bozo.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
you mention oral sex alot. any chance you do gay porn?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 11, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that happy face you put down must be after i spewed in your mouth.
i’m always king. you must be queen noremlas?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 11, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
since you fantasize about having sex with men makes me thinkg you do gay porn.
kings are ignorant assholes, im not surprised you call yourself one.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I've won. you retards are now bickering. back to sucking zuffa's cock you go.
by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
delusional because i dont have zuffa's sausage lodged down my throat like you do?
to each there own.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 11, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Simple solution.
Here’s an idea for you Ronin: ignore all posts regarding Zuffa and read the posts that you are interested in. Pretty basic logic here.
Here’s another idea….if someone wants to be a UFC nutthugger, accept that fact and move on. How the fuck does it affect YOU?
This coming from someone who hates the way Zuffa runs things.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
Great post.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
I agree sir.
but this whole dicussion got mixed up. i started out saying this site has become zuffa infected then it went completely the different direction. i’ll be sure to avoid this in the future.
Yep you win
by Puck Head on Oct 11, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
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by Ronin Noremlas on Oct 12, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
All because guys want Diaz in the UFC by your opinion they are zuffa infected.
thats how this debate started Ronin.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Ronin i want to congratulate you for
Saying the word “Zuffa” in more than 80% of your posts. You actually have talked more about UFC/Zuffa than any other poster in this thread.
I guess you got infected
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2. Anthony ''Showtime'' Pettis
3. Phil ''Mr. Wonderful'' Davis
4. Charles '' Do Bronx" Oliveira
5. Rory ''The Waterboy'' MacDonald
by robinhorobson on Oct 12, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
rashad is going to beat shogun too.
rashad will be king of the light heavyweights. i guess that makes rua queen?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 11, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I do remember Dana making a comment on how much he likes Nick Diaz
I could see Dana doing whatever he could to get Diaz just to say FU to strikeforce
Diaz will stay in SF
This whole thing about GSP is going no where. Its just an excuse to make a headline imo. Diaz will stick in SF, mostly because he just won his title there and still has a bunch of great fights left for him – I’m thinking Miller, Daley, possibly Woodley
if thats all they are going to pay him is 50K
even if they bump it to 100k, im sure the ufc would offer more, thats if nick didnt take Stikeforces offer, nick says he wants big fights and big money, well if he wants those 2 things hes gonna have to jump ship “play the game” and go to the UFC
Nicks a little full of himself'
Nick cant hang with the elite wrestlers/GnP Fighters?… definitely not any of the ones he’s mentioned. Even though Florian put Diaz on his P4P list, I don’t think he’s near that good. I like Diaz as a fighter, but he wouldn’t make it past top 5 in UFC Welterweight. More like Top 6-10. At 155lbs? ummmhh…. I don’t think he’d deal well with the likes of Maynard and Edgars wrestling but that would be interesting to see how he does there… Is Nick saying he could beat Melendez or Shields then???
I really want to see Nick back in the UFC
a fight with Miller would be fun to watch but if he beats Miller it’s really no big deal
if he fights Daley I see it going down like the Shields-Daley fight, We saw how good a chin Diaz has
Tyron Woodley sounds interesting but he has to beat some better fighters first
a Cung Le-Diaz fight sounds entertaining so does Jacare-Diaz but I’d like to see him in the UFC fight some big names at WW
by 49erEmpire on Oct 11, 2010 6:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nick still has sum gud fights in strike force.
Semtex , cyborg , mayham.
Don't be scared homie
by d*locc on Oct 11, 2010 6:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Semetex had a bad outing last fight I think he needs a dominate win before he gets a shot over a top SF WW opponent. Even Noons vs Semtex would be a great fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
The ‘KJ Noons saga’ ends only when Nick Diaz wins apparently. And if he wants to fight GSP so bad, go back to the UFC, it’s doesn’t take rocket science to figure that out. ‘People standing up and saying something’ ain’t going to make jack happen. And I see him having trouble with the 155 limit, so he can keep smoking about that dream. His brother’s only fighting at 170 because the UFC wants him to? I guess his brother wasn’t crying about the weight cut affecting his last few performances at 155. The kicker though was, “How do these guys expect to beat me?” The same way everyone else who’s beaten you has done it, Nick.
i like watching Nick fight but KJ would of kicked his ass if he didnt break his hand in like the first or 2nd round. oh an jaw.
but nick did break the jaw. I say bring on part 3 . Cause it was a great fight and a close one at that.
I'm all for a Noons/Diaz III.
But SF doesn’t seem to be interested in rubber matches, so much as making sure the ‘right’ person won.
it's been a long time since he's lost
I know he probably won’t beat GSP but why not just give him the fight
it would definitely be more fun to watch then another boring GSP-Fitch or GSP-Kos fight
by 49erEmpire on Oct 11, 2010 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he will be back in the UFC soon.
And if he can beat a couple top 10 ww’s he will get his shot.
I know he probably won’t beat GSP but why not just give him the fight
Because for better or worse, the UFC won’t co-promote, so if he wants the fight, he needs to finish out his contract and go to the UFC like Jake Shields did.
that's what I saying
I want to see Nick in the UFC and get his shot at GSP not a co-promotion
by 49erEmpire on Oct 11, 2010 7:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn’t Nick say he could beat both GSP and Silva in another video? I’m no fan of Nick, but he seems to be above the skill level of pretty much everyone with SF. So why not make the jump to UFC when his contract is up with SF, new fighers, new competition, new challeneges, plus he can finally put his money where his mouth is.
I don't think he would do well agaisnt some of the top guys but there are some exciting match ups regardless
Diaz vs Hardy, Diaz vs Alves, Diaz vs Kampmann to name a few
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I think he’d have his hands full with a lot of guys at ww in the UFC, but one thing I know, they’d have fight of the night award potential for sure
Hardy vs Diaz gets my blood boiling
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
for sure man, both have heads like a rock, it be a slugfest on the feet, however Diaz would have an obvious advantage on the ground. Then again, GSP had 2 opportunities to make Hardy tap, and he wouldn’t. He’d either have to break his arm or choke him out, cause I don’t think he’d ever tap
how long ago was that?
Nick is a completely different fighter
by 49erEmpire on Oct 11, 2010 7:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a fighter's accomplishments dont have a statute of limitations..if they did then fedor wouldnt even be a top 15 hw...
cause his biggest wins were over nog….and its obvious nog no longer matters……
wins and losses dont have an expiration date…they dont just start over every 2 or 3 years…if you want to take away nick’s losses then you might as well take away his wins too….so i guess in your eyes he’s like 7-1…oh wait you cant count the kj loss cause hes a “completely” different fighter now…ok then you cant count any of those wins either
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
ok
so you’re telling me Sherk or Parisyan would beat him if they fought next month?
by 49erEmpire on Oct 11, 2010 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
diaz couldnt even finish a fat lw with a broken jaw and broken hand...dude fought 5 rounds with one good hand and diaz couldnt finish him
he fights just like his brother…hed get wrassled to a decision vs sherk just like nate got wrassled to a decision vs gray in their rematch…
if he cant even finish a fat lw with a broken hand and jaw how the hell he supposed to beat a healthy strong wrestler like sherk? he aint
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
To be fair . . .
The Nate/Gray fight was completely on the feet. However, I agree with you that Sherk would be a bad match-up for him since he has great wrestling and is impossible to submit.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
doesnt matter nick brought it up
saying hes “fought everyone george has fought…..pretty much”
No they are not stop sucking ufc cock
When the ufc pays there fighters shit 3k-10k i dont hear you crying about the #1 org but SF does it and here you go bitching and screaming like a little retard. The UFC can afford to pay all its fighters a minimum of 20k per fight and still make HUGE profits yet they dont, SF does not make anywhere near the same amount of money in otherwords they cant afford to be paying everyone decently especially undercard fighters.(as for Marloes now that shes Champ she will get a new contract and start making some decent $$)
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 11, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
no no, the problem is they do a douche thing like pay this guy "JZ" nearly the SAME thing as their champion who has headlined multiple cards
on his VERY first sf fight…..and pay the other headliner noons 10 k…thats their fucking problem….who the hell is that dude to get paid nearly as much as diaz? who the fuck is he? dude has never fought in a sf main event…hes never headlined a card…hes not a champ…who the fuck is HE to get paid nearly the same as the champ? thats their problem….they never even advertised that fight and the guys in it got paid more than the main event championship fight…
thats why nick keeps dropping this “i dont get paid much, i spend my money on food, i dont make a lot of money” hes telling sf “you aint payin me what im worth…good luck affording me when my contract is up”
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
WHO THE FUCK walked in that arena sat night like "yo JZ's fighting tonight!!!"
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Nick said it himself....'Noons made his name off me'
So yes hes headlining the event but guess what he had not proven to be a Top calibur LW up untill this fight now id definitely say he is JZ is one of the best proven LWs you would have to be stupid to not pay JZ what they did. KJs biggest win is vs Diaz at 155 and its the only reason he was given the chance to fight him at WW vs the Champ.(you dont earn a WW title shot by beating LWs unless your BJ lol)
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 11, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you're sayin sf would have been stupid not to offer JZ nearly the SAME EXACT they paid diaz?
you take it right up the butt…you think JZ deserves nearly the same as diaz you truly are a moron who takes it up the butt…
nick has headlined how many cards buttboy? JZ has headlined how many cards butt boy?
nick’s accomplishments and JZ’S accomplishment = deserve nearly equal pay?
anus probe
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Coker is running out of money?
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
I'm talking about his contract
how does the pay change or get cut in half? I guarantee he didn’t agree to take a pay cut, so the inconsistencies make me wonder
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
50% of 100k is better than 0% of 100k...
I did expect Nick to make more money. Maybe he got a % of the gate in return? Maybe he got cash under the table from concessions? Who knows. After seeing that hey only sold 7,000 or so odd tickets, I am starting to wonder about SF’s viability.
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
% of what gate? lol
I love ya Ulf, but ur comment makes no sense “50% is better than 0% of 100k.” no shit, but why would he make less than his last fight?
@Yan, it was very weak!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
Let me spell it out...
Nick’s contract says he gets 100k per fight, Coker says that he can’t pay him that because he doesn’t have it, but will you take 50K and x% of the gate. Nick either takes 50K (50% of 100k) + gate (or some other offer) or doesn’t fight (0% of 100k).
This is all conjecture, kev, so I have no clue, but contracts are not set in stone, especially MMA contracts as we have seen from all of these shady small orgs. I am not lumping SF into this category, but it is really strange that Nick is getting less for this fight than the Zaromskis fight.
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
What network carried the Zaromskis fight?
Maybe their contracts pay a little more depending on what station the fights are played?
jay.
who would agree to that ULF?
not like Diaz can’t go to UFC if your scenario was what happened. Ive never heard of anyone getting a piece of the gate, but maybe, but like Jay said, he probably woulda tried to sell the fight. The Zarmkis fight was in Miami right, was that on CBS? I agree that it’s strange, but if his contract says he gets 100k, he’s not fighting for less. Even if he’s not that smart, he’s managed by Caesar, who is very smart. I’m too lazy to look up where the last fight was televised, watching MNF, but something is up!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
Per wiki, it was on Showtime
And it only had a gate of 301K, with Cyborg, Hershel and Lashley on the card also.
How the fuck does SF make money?
As to your question, there are too many variable that we don’t know, so the line of thinking is 100% conjecture, so no point in continuing, We know he made less. I just want to find out why.
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
Ulf
I think if he was getting part of the gate and concessions, he would have tried to sell the fight. He was a PR nightmare this week.
jay.
If you offered him 100% commission Nick would be a PR nightmare...
The guy can hardly speak English, gets easily offended if you don’t ask him a “canned” question, and then turns around and flips everyone off. As DW says “he doesn’t play the game”. The game is not fighting MMA, the game is selling MMA. Nick sees no point, so therefore will never be what he could be.
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
I know, it wasn't a shock the way he acted. I was just helping out with this part of your post.
Maybe he got a % of the gate in return? Maybe he got cash under the table from concessions? Who knows
jay.
I am just throwing things out there and am not arguing for or against.
He got less, that we know. What we don’t know is why.
Kev, get that damned interview and ask him!
Don’t be scared to put Nick Diaz as one of the top 5 Welterweights in the world, homie. Thanks to BNF, I am no longer scared.
He already said he's willing to play the game now
he just wants his job description written out. I’ll probably get it in Nov, my wife is running the stockton marathon, so I’ll be in the area, I have enough interviews in the can and lined up to get me through until then
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
They must be giving out some serious bonus money, but either way SF is a good fit for Diaz. They cater to him simply because he makes their main events exciting to watch!
SF is much like Pride with the freak shows, and trying to give their stars more of an ability to handpick opponents. I like the entertainment factor, but the UFC is much more like a legit sports organization, with them putting the best against the best, boring as it may be.
WEC has had the better fights this year, they should be doing more events!
eGenius
Ur eGenius… u echo my sentiments. If only u were a 5 ‘4’ Blonde with a nice set of Knockers! StrikeForce has a definite Nich … I like the occasional Freakshow for a fight or 2 on the Undercard’… I like that StrikeForce has Kimbo/Herschal/Lashley/Cyborg, while catering to it’s drawing fighters. Im glad they let Shields go, there’s opponents in the UFC that can handle his wrestling and make Shields fight… he was bad for StrikeForce though.
That's an illogical statement. Do you only like women your height?
I’m 6’3" and my last couple girlfriends have been 5’4".
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Nick Nick Nick...
GSP>Nick via cut probably round 2 or 3 Id take Nick over the rest of the WWs in the UFC if they came to fight but in reality they wouldnt fight they would just lay on nick for 3 rounds (see Kos vs Daley shamrock vs royce).
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
Thats if he went to the UFC
If they fought in SF or Dream he would beat all of them including GSP the refs in SF for whatever reason dont like letting the fight stay on the ground at all i mean seriously Lashley had Griggs mounted and it got stood up that would never happen in the UFC which pretty much always has the top refs during its events. Over in Dream lay+hump either gets you stood up or no points what so ever so Nick would definitely whoop Kos Fitch easy and without those damn Elbows GSP would open himself up for subs or lose the fight standing. Sadly none and i do mean none of these fights are likely to happen outside of the UFC which favors wrestling.
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Oct 11, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Pay scales paid out by both SF and UFC are disgusting
After a fighter pays his/her trainers, cutman/hand-wrap person(s), transportation, hotel and health insurance, there is literally nothing there for the fighter pathetic. Most of their ‘mad-money’ is paid out by their sponsors and showing up at some Auto-dealership promotion.
Nick is a StrikeForce Draw
Without ever really saying it he was negotiating his contract..lol… in Nicks own way, it was kinda’ sly… what he’s really saying is “PAY ME MORE $$$”
Nick is renegotiating his contract using the UFC to boost the stakes… he’s even behaving himself for the last 2 mths.. u know he wants to say’’’ “I beat HOmie’s ASS” .. but he’s really trying to be a bit more humble and marketable to raise his stakes. He’s using the wanting to fight GSP to negotiate more $$$ with StrikeForce or else he’s going to the UFC. Nick definitely earned it and Nick is durable he’ll fight on every StrikeForce card if he can… this is his time to really push value.
At 26 y/o, Diaz should probably get paid more to reverse the signs of aging...
He looks haggard and appears way older than his stated chronological age. The way he is prematurely aging, by the age of 30 years old, he will look more like he is a senior citizen.
http://img.youtube.com/vi/EhQxO8pVy0A/0.jpg
Diaz vs. George would be awesome
I still feel a little bit bitter about the way the UFC treated Nick before and after they cut him. But props to Diaz making a name for himself outside the UFC. If he comes back I hope he crushes George, but we know its not going to happen. BRING NICK DIAZ BACK!
Somebody shit on the coats!
If SF truely values Diaz, better begin shelling out the coins
Diaz reportedly pocketed $100,000 for his win over Marius Zaromskis at "Strikeforce: Miami" earlier this year. That does not include any additional sponsorship dollars he took home for headlining the Showtime broadcast, which often overshadow MMA fight purses. Considering the median income in the United States for 2010 was only $49,777, Diaz clearly bought far too many bud brownies if his bank account is on red alert.
Unless your a Champ who cleaned out your wieght class in the UFC, dont talk about jumping from 155 to 185 like its nothing.
Diaz’ casual attitude towards weight class jumping shows that hes been fighting nobodies from back in a time in mma history where size didn’t mean as much. Nike doesn’t respect the talent pool in the UFC. I don’t see him ever stringing together the wins needed to get a shot at GSP. Wasn’t he always bitching about not getting the shots he deserved when he was in the UFC, even though he wasn’t getting the wins needed for said shots? Typical whiny Nike Diaz.
What? After that shitty display against noons? My list of fighters I think would beat him in the ufc actually got longer. Diaz is top 20, not top ten, or five. But I will give him top 20 for sure.
Out of everyone in the world In the world, thats still good. But hes no contender in The UFC mix
by snipersniper on Oct 15, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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