Tired Thiago Silva didn't know what was going on at UFC 108 ...
by MMAmania.com on Jan 6, 2010 11:54 PM EST
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... when he had Rashad Evans hurt bad in the third round, but inexplicably, didn't go in for the kill:
"I thought he would exchange a little bit more, but he escaped from the exchanging and he went on takedowns.... I knew I was losing. I wasn’t that good on the energy and I tried to provoke him to see if he comes over me, but he didn’t bought it. I knew I was losing, I lost the two rounds. To be tired make a difference, man ... I started to provoke him because he was with the low energy, getting tired.... Wanting or not, he has a heavy hand, there’s some time that we don’t know what’s going on anymore.... I think the energy made the difference, I was pretty tired."
Silva finally also reveals that he was indeed limited in training before the main event fight with a back injury. It was rumored before the 205-pound showdown that he contemplated withdrawing, but stayed the course because the pay-per-view (PPV) event was already devastated by injuries. In hindsight, was it a bad decision -- would a fully healthy Silva melt "Suga?" Let's hear it.
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Lets see lil nog vs Thiago
if he knew his injury was going to make a difference, he should have just pulled out. Still, props to him for taking this fight; he should fight lil nog would make for a great fight but i heard he and luiz cane have had beef since brazil, either fight would be fun to watch.
by CanadianSensation on Jan 7, 2010 12:02 AM EST reply actions
nah the beefs squashed...
thiago was in banhas corner when he fought little nog.good call on the fight though.
Props to Thiago! Had he pulled out it would have been a disaster!
I would have loved to see him at full strength, but Thiago is a soldier, and after what happened to that disasterous card, pulling out of the fight would have been very bad. I hope Dana appreciates that!
I want to see Thiago fight:
Forrest, lil Nog or i WOULDNT mind seeing him beatdown Tito!
Totally agree, John...
… Thiago is a warrior for staying in there. If anyone of us wimps had had a back injury, we’d be calling for our mommies. (I’ve had a minor back injury, and it was incredibly painful… my hat’s off to anyone with a more serious back injury!) The fact that he went in there anyway says a lot about his heart. I want to see him fight again, too. If he’d been healthy, I think he’d have won by KO. All he needed to do was throw 2 or 3 more solid strikes to the head, and Rashad would have been out. He looked wobbly just like when Machida weakened him.
Tough call but must look good to UFC brass
I don’t like hearing about guys saying they were injured going into a fight, but I feel Thiago had a little more class than the others. I think he really just wanted to do a favor for the UFC and take one for the team, but it is forever going to show up on his record. I think a healthy Thiago would beat down Rashad. He did do the most damage after all..
Let Thiago fight Lil Nog or maybe the Brandon Vera/Jon Jones winner?
Yes a healthy Thiago would win a rematch, he’s better standing and on the ground. props to Rashad for controlling Thiago the first two rounds and slowing him down, but he lost the 3rd pretty badly and wasn’t looking good at all standing or on the ground.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
I found it crazy....
That Thiago was breathing out of his mouth after the second takedown! He didn’t look like himself at all from the opening bell. Oh well at least he fought and didn’t pull off the card!
Sorry...
What I was going to say before I decided to go kamikaze on the enter button was, Thiago won over a lot of people by showing so much heart. He was clearly warn out and just kept coming forward and doing damage as best he could.
Also, I was glad to see Rashad go back to his wrestling in this fight though because it was his only chance. If he stood toe-to-toe with Silva it would have been a short night.
I’d definitely take Thiago in a rematch, of course.
Sorry Roberto, but I couldn't disagree more
Thiago did nothing for the first 13 minutes of that fight, I saw nothing from him in that fight that made me think he could beat Rashad, his takedown defence was non existant, his stand up was pretty ineffective, and he looked totally uncomfortable on his back, he rolled towards an armbar once and didn’t really get near it. Also please remember that Rashad did take him down in the third before he got tagged. first 2 1/2 minutes of that round were Rashad’s infact Thiago spent about a minute show boating and missing punches.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 7, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Who did you lose the bet to?
And when does it expire?
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Puckhead and it expires on the twelfth
I let my Mir hate cloud my judgement… a foolish mistake, much like I think Roberto’s Thiago love is clouding his. If I had won it would have been amazing, he would have had to write
“Kongo is the man, I wish he was my man” and have a shirtless pic of him, would have laughed every time I saw it… no such luck
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 7, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I like RoB but his judgement is always off when it comes to his favs...specifically Tito
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
didn’t lose a bet to anybody. spinning it’s ok, if you could just tell me what Rashad did in the first 13 minutes besides being more active? Sorry if i don’t see wrestling the same way you do. getting right back up to your feet every time is pretty damn good if you ask me.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
that is a good point....those td's shad had were basically useless...on the other hand, he had 11 of them
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
I know man, and i’m saying Rashad won because he was pushing the fight the first two rounds but he didn’t show me any skill standing or on the ground that had me impressed.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
Me either
I hate Rashad, I hope he isn’t back to being a boring wrestler. I guess it was a smart game plan though, standing with Thiago would have been disastrous.
This is probably the only time I have ever defended Shad, I hope it never happens again because the guy is such a dick.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
maybe I'm wrong but
for a long time now I’ve campaigned for ALL main card fights to be 5 rounds…think about it…there’s always time left over after PPV, sooo many fights go to decisions due to time running out, and many of those decisions are terribly wrong…5 round fights would solve a lot of problems AND take the responcibility out of the judges hands…what do ya think?
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
I don't see why not.
But a lot of the fights will just be slower. It will be the same complaint about close fights, only we’ll have to suffer through 2 extra rounds of probably slower action. Most guys’ pace will have to slow down to make the 25 minutes.
They gotta change the scoring, the rounds are fine.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I guess it could go pride style
whoever’s in better shape at the end of the fight kind of deal, but the fact is, no matter who’s fighting who, or how it looks to you, me or the entire stadium full of people, the decision is still in the hands of 3 guys who might see it diffeently from you, there will always be contentious results when it goes to the judges.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 7, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
The biggest difference in the fight....
Thiago is a guy that likes to attack, attack, attack and Rashad turned that around and attacked him by being agressive and moving forward on him. The biggest thing for Rashad in this fight was that instead of looking to react and counter punch…he attacked and forced Thiago to react…which Silva was obviously not prepared for and could not handle it.
"I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is, while you're in midair, you still hit those brakes! Hey, better try the emergency brake!"
by Buster Bluth on Jan 7, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
NSAC now allow 5 rounds for all main events
Bloody Dana refused to do it though, he made some terrible excuse about it devaluing title fights so as long as he’s in the UFC there won’t ever be 5 round non-title fights. Yet another terrible decision made by him lately.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter on the planet...any Anderson Silva fight that is on, people should be buying that PPV, not because he’s my fighter but you know what, he to me is like the Muhammad Ali of MMA...the UFC has been around since 1993, nobody (else) has 10 consecutive wins in the UFC. Anderson has had 10 fights in the UFC, only 1 has ever gone to a decision."
Ed Soares on why Andy is the best fighter in the world
Offensive wrestling will always beat defensive wreslting on the score cards.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
8 TD's
3 strikes landed on the ground. They shouldn’t count it any more than a jab
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
True
I really do hate lay and pray. But they’ve always scored this sort of fight the same. No matter who the fighters are, if a dude outwrestles you for 13 minutes he’ll win. Rules got to change. Any suggestions?
That should be a fan post. What the rules and scoring should be based on. Mac…Do it up.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Gleason Tibau
vs Tyson Griffen was one of the few times they got it right. Griffen merc’d him on his feet but got taken down repeatedly only to stand up again right after with no damage. The rest of the time this crap does get scored that way yes.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Thiago wasn't touchin him on the feet
landed next to nothing most of the fight
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 7, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
If Thiago had have done even a little something in every round
It might have made a difference. But he was ineffective from the weigh in stare down, till the third round.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Sounds like Rashad
In rounds 2 and 3
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly scored it a draw
10-9 10-10 9-10
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds reasonable.
I can’t even say I disagree with that. The draw I didn’t agree with(Roberto) was 10-9 10-9 8-10.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Takedowns
Saying that takedowns are worth as much as a jab is foolish. Setting up and securing a takedown is no easy tasks and it deserves a little more creit than throwing a jab…even I can do that…it may not land and it probably wouldn’t hurt a pro fighter. Taking down an opponent often times drains someone if you grind it out for one. Putting someone on their back takes away many…if not all…an opponent’s weapons depending on their ground game. I agree that just taking someone down and doing nothing with it is not as damaging but Rashad slammed him a few times at least and tired Thiago out…which damaged him enough to get the win.
"I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is, while you're in midair, you still hit those brakes! Hey, better try the emergency brake!"
by Buster Bluth on Jan 7, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Rashad took Thiago down repeatedly, which broke his spirit and tired him out as well as allowing him to reach a more advantageous position. Thiago did nothing offensively off his back and did very little strikes in those 2 rounds. Getting taken down, then getting back up should mean that you’ve lost. If Thiago had have attempted submissions or hurt Rashad with strikes in those 2 rounds then I could agree with him getting some points but he didn’t. The only thing that he deserves any credit for scoring wise is that punch in the third that rocked Rashad and came close to finishing the fight, other than that it was all Rashad.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter on the planet...any Anderson Silva fight that is on, people should be buying that PPV, not because he’s my fighter but you know what, he to me is like the Muhammad Ali of MMA...the UFC has been around since 1993, nobody (else) has 10 consecutive wins in the UFC. Anderson has had 10 fights in the UFC, only 1 has ever gone to a decision."
Ed Soares on why Andy is the best fighter in the world
takedowns are like jabs and it gets you in a great position to score, it’s also wearing your opponent down and getting him frustrated to the point where mistakes should be coming. But it’s like in any sport you do not get points for playing around on your opponents half, you have to do something with it.
Takedowns are not damaging or even an intention of hurting your opponent, they’ve built it up so much to where a fighter like Chuck Liddell secures a takedown and then decides to stand right back up again after 1 sec cause he thinks the takedown is gonna score him points, crazy thing is it does, that’s fucked up!
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
Rashad looked good in the first two rounds cause he hit Thiago with body shots and simply threw more at him. ItBurnzWhenIP, couldn’t agree more.
getting taken down and then getting right back up means nothing happened except for you having to expend more energy.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
jay
I don’t have time for that today…I’m taking care of other personal affairs during working hours today…haha
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
Slow day for me.
So slow here, I shouldn’t even be getting paid for this.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
me neither...so far other than Mania, I've bought a new car seat, and gone out for brunch and lunch...haha
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
can you get on facebook at work..if so check it
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
I responded
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Facebook on my phone. Not on work computer.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I agree that Thiago getting back up was impressive
But Rashad was mixing the striking into the takedowns, he landed some decent body shots going in, and it’s just the fact that Rashads wrestling was proactive and Thiago’s getting up was reactive, Thiago completely lacked effective aggression for the vast majority of the fight. I’m not by any means saying Rashad looked great, but he definately looked better than Thiago.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 7, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
good point...other than the td's, Shad also changed levels very well with his body punches
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
he did, he won the first two rounds on aggression, lets just stop talking about takedowns now it makes me sick.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
If Tito starts LNPing guys again, you will be fine with the scoring system
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I’ve never seen him LnP. All i see is one of the most effective GnPers in the history of the sport, I enjoy watching him elbow the shit out of guys, his td’s would be worthless without that.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
So Tito won by submission?
If not then that fight is in no way comparable to any recent Jake Shields fights. If you’re going to bash anyone for lay and pray it should be someone who never finishes fights (Fitch, Guida, Maynard) not someone who is on a long winning streak and only failed to finish his last fight against a bigger opponent who has never been finished by submission.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter on the planet...any Anderson Silva fight that is on, people should be buying that PPV, not because he’s my fighter but you know what, he to me is like the Muhammad Ali of MMA...the UFC has been around since 1993, nobody (else) has 10 consecutive wins in the UFC. Anderson has had 10 fights in the UFC, only 1 has ever gone to a decision."
Ed Soares on why Andy is the best fighter in the world
That is sorta true Dave
But the three dudes you mentioned also stand in their fights sometimes. They might go to a lot of decisions but none of them are as one dimensional as Jake.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I highly doubt Thiago’s injuries played a role in his loss. He was simply beat by a good game plan. He couldnt stop Rashad’s takedowns and was (like he clearly admits) very very tired. None of you can say you seen any sign of injury in his performence. Why wont you all just admit Rashad had a damn good game plan coming into this fight instead of finding any little excuse for thiago not winning. And by the way Rashad will always have the advantage in wrestling and speed aginst Thiago so a rematch would most likely play out the same way so quit hating and give the man his props.
" I'll beat him so bad he'll need a shoehorn to put his hat on". -Muhammad Ali
i dont think..
anyone is hating on rashad, we’re just elaborating what happened in the fight. But your right, rashad had a picture perfect game plan and you can’t take anything away from that. With that said, a well-conditioned Thiago beats Shad in a rematch
by CanadianSensation on Jan 7, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
A well conditioned Thiago
still gets taken down over and over again until that conditioning wears out and gets beat again.
"I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is, while you're in midair, you still hit those brakes! Hey, better try the emergency brake!"
conditioning should NEVER be an excuse at Thiago's level
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
Yeah, I think you are right.
At this point in the guy’s career, I dont think he overnight develops a great sprawl or TD defense. Certainly, in a rematch he would need both of those. Against faster wrestling types, he probably gets exploited every time because he is definitely slower and plodding and less athletic. Another guy who you say has a punchers chance but probably more in the early in the fight.
he's a great fighter but you need conditioning to hang with top 3 LHW's
there’s no way he’s last 4, 5 rounds at this point
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
No excuses
But if, in fact, he had a back injury, or any injury for that matter, conditioning would be one of the first things to be sacrificed. With a bad back, you are not able to maintain a high level of training for sustained periods of time which will surely limit your conditioning. I still think Rashad would have worn him down but I agree that he did look unusually gassed very early in that fight.
by BoomGoesTheDynamite! on Jan 7, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
no stealing names!!!
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
I’m pretty sure the cheerleaders from my old highschool used to sign songs about your name.
by ShowMeYourJits on Jan 7, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
At least not with a back injury
… but I certainly think he’d have trained properly for deep rounds w/o a back injury. He did great with what he had. A healthy Thiago in a rematch would KO Evans, I have no doubt.
by MMACrossfire on Jan 7, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
How did the more skillful fighter lose than Roberto?
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
good question
injuries are part of the sport…if your injured or “too injured”, don’t fight….I’m sure Shad had nagging injuries too. And I don’t even like Shad and happen to be a big Thiago fan…like I said above, if you agree to fight and you lose, at the UFC level, injuries and conditioning should NEVER be an excuse…do you think he would have said the same thing if he would’ve won? I doubt it. But Shad might have.
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
As to this
Supposedly Dana made it worth his while not to kill the main event no matter how badly he was hurt. Which honestly I think reeks of nothing more than a rigged fight and should be investigated by the NSAC and the Nevada gaming commission.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
55,000 is worth his while?
No loss on your record at his level is worth 55,000. If there is a back door deal in this, it should be investigated.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
There was a rumor about Silva about to drop out of the fight with an ankle injury
Then out of nowhere there was nothing wrong, no truth to this foul rumor and Dana and Silva were both out saying no he is fine – 100%!
There was a backroom deal. Word doesn’t just leak that you’re about to pull out of the most injury devastated card in company history and 2 days later everything has changed. Silva is smart enough to know a loss could change the direction of his career and was compensated. Can’t blame Silva for taking that extra money to go on… But promoters shouldn’t be giving it because its no longer a balanced playing field and they went so far as to hide knowledge of it from the Vegas bookies – that’s fuckin conspiracy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon enough with the conspiracy theories
He himself said it was his conditioning. There was only a rumor he had a ankle injury but like fighters coming into fights with black eyes and bruises and whatever else from their training minor injuries are common for fighters and if his ankle was injured it was minor.
Who says Thiago has good cardio?
He’s never had to show it. This will be the game plan against him for his next couple fights, until he proves otherwise. He was tired in the first round from grappling, what do you think the next couple guys are going to try on him? When has anyone seen him past the second round? This is his gas tank…Nothing I’ve ever seen says otherwise.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I know jay and I agree
I never siad it was good but he could stand 3 rounds and trade punches with anybody the grappling is were he really tired though. Evans is the only top five LHW wrestler in the UFC right now Jones is coming up and Bader has a lot to prove so as far as anyone else testing Silvas conditioning I don’t think he’ll have many problems ohh maybe couture? I also believe Evans best chance against Machida or Rua is on the ground and I don’t think their endurance is any better. Striking endurance and wrestling endurance are two completly different.
I was agreeing with you
I know what you were saying, I was backing your play.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
He probably had this back injury before the Machida fight too
But then it got better for the Jardine fight, but whoops sore back again for the Shad fight.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
If he was injured and fought, he is stupid
Stupid will lose you lots of fights too.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
IMO the problem with Thiago is that he has a TERRIBLE fight IQ. This is the man that thought the way to beat Machida was to come straight at him with lots of pressure. And now he’s letting Rashad off the hook because he “didn’t know what was going on”. Fight IQ is not something that can be taught, and Thaigo has plenty of tools but a strong fight IQ is not one of them.
by ShowMeYourJits on Jan 7, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
very good point which leads me to think...
…that ATT is over-rated…as of late a lot of their fighters seem to be showing up unprepared
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
maybe over-rated is a bit harsh...I think their problem is that they have too many great fighter to concentrate on
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
They show up missing weight a lot too
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Did he concentrate on wrestling in his camp leading up to this fight?
His camp should have come in with a good game plan to stop what was going to be Shads only chance at winning. If he trained wrestling and it didn’t help, that’s Silva’s problem. But if ATT had him training stand up exclusively that is their problem.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Sliva was not unprepared
Silva was right energy made a difference, wich is known for many years a wrestlers advantage with superior endurance. Even Evans who has not used his wrestling for sometime was upset with his conditioning. Endurance most of the time is going to be the wrestlers advantage. There are exceptions of coarse but evans best chance of beating machida or Rua would be to get the fight to the ground and wear them out Rua has shown bad endurance in a stand up fight with little grappling is nothing like the match Silva went through.
As I've said before...
all wrestling gameplans[minus the damage of GNP or sub attempts] suck!!! Big time!!
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I couldn't agree more
Rashad is definately one of the higher level fighters that Thiago has fought and he was not used to Rashads pace and couldn’t cope with the take downs or the how much energy he used up trying to recover from them. I also see the same thing happening again if the fought. If you haven’t got the elite level of cardio like some fighters, a good wrestler will always sap the energy out of you and that is what happened to Thiago. He is a good fighter, but there is nothing great about him. I don’t mind Rashad he gets crap for no reason from a lot of people (I suppose some are still bitter about the Chuck knockout), but the one thing that annoys me in many of his fights is, when he clearly has an opportunity to put a choke on an apponent he never takes it, he has had multiple opportunities in many of his fights but he doesn’t even make an attempt. Maybe thats the wrestler in him. To be honest though, even Phil Baroni looked like he had more gas in his tank then both of them, and he was taking a constant beating.
by Ade on Jan 7, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
You don't think a back injury
which allows you to accomplish nothing more than use a elliptical or bike didn’t effect his conditioning and wasn’t a big part of his being gassed in two minutes? Makes you sound like the people that said Shogun sucked and his cardio was garbage without roids when he was in crap shape against Coleman coming off two knee injuries.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are acting like he has an excuse for gassing
When have you watched him fight outside of the second round? He probably doesn’t have a giant gas tank to begin with. This is like his third fight in his life that wasn’t ended in the first round.
He might gas like this in every marathon fight he is involved in.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
he will
I’m a fan but he’s a flabby bastard
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He was gassed inside of 2 minutes lol
He got his wind back later in the fight because Rashad did so little with the takedowns that he rested on his ass and on his back…. But in grappling against the cage he was gassed in about 90 seconds and sucking wind hard. It was obvious he did almost no cardio, (which having had back injuries), intense roadwork goes out the window. He could have done water aerobics though! I’m sure that would have fixed his gas.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Who said he had gas before this 'injury'?
Has anyone seen him exhibit a better tank than this? His fights always end quickly.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Exactly jay his striking endurance is decent
But like I said grappling endurance is on a level by itself something Silva has never faced. A great experience for Silva. Anyone remember the Rua and Coleman fight? Yes I know Rua was still just getting back to form but facing a grappler made it that much worse as far as endurance goes. You can run as fast as you can for 2 minutes throwing punches no problem now try lifting a bag equal to your weight and run as fast as you can for two minutes guaranteed anyone will be more fatigued from 2 minutes of wrestling compared to two minutes of striking wich is why endurance is usually a wrestlers advantage.
Agreed.
Happens all the time. Silva is no different. That is why GSP does it to Alves and BJ. Not saying those guys aren’t grapplers, but they aren’t as effective at striking after being wrestled for three rounds. Jackson isn’t an idiot, he makes his guys do this shit for a reason.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
For sure
Fitch and Alves ,had the best conditioning out of all the guys GSP fought I was really surprised with Alves conditiong though he was on his back most of the fight and still looked pretty good wich is surprising for a striker. GSP countered Alves deadly leg kicks with his takedowns and for how many times Alves was on his back and fought his way up and was still able to go the distance surprised me. I can’t wait for the Alves and Fitch fight!
Fitch/Alves is huge.
I want to see the difference from this fight and the last one. You gotta think Alves has this fight, meaning it is his fight to lose. Fitch isn’t good enough to hold him down for very long. And Fitch doesn’t set the pace the way GSP does. Alves is going to knock this fool out cold.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Agree not on the fool part I like Fitch but I think Alves has improved leaps and bounds
From his last fight with Fitch and will prove he is the 2nd best WW in the world. Fitch is a tough scrappy dude who may not look pretty but seems to find ways to win. Almost Shiels like LOL not as bad though.
Don't mention Shields, Hella Hectic might be reading this,
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
When was the last time Jon Fitch finished a fight?
Shields submitted a MW in the first round when he was expected to lose and the commentators spent the whole time saying how he couldn’t win, plus he finished all WW opponents in EliteXC including Semtex to win their title. Fitch can’t even finish no names and fights the same way every fight. The in thing now is to hate Shields and I’m sick of it to be honest, he finishes a lot more fights than Fitch, Maynard and Guida.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter on the planet...any Anderson Silva fight that is on, people should be buying that PPV, not because he’s my fighter but you know what, he to me is like the Muhammad Ali of MMA...the UFC has been around since 1993, nobody (else) has 10 consecutive wins in the UFC. Anderson has had 10 fights in the UFC, only 1 has ever gone to a decision."
Ed Soares on why Andy is the best fighter in the world
Agreed completely
Most of the people bashing are just doing it because they don’t like Rashad. The fact is he came in with the superior gameplan and was the better conditioned and trained fighter. All Thiago had was his powerful punches and he was only able to land anything solid when Rashad slowed down in the third, then he was too busy trying to wind up Rashad and force him to make a mistake instead of finishing him off. Rashad deserved to win and proved that he is the better all round athlete and MMAst.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter on the planet...any Anderson Silva fight that is on, people should be buying that PPV, not because he’s my fighter but you know what, he to me is like the Muhammad Ali of MMA...the UFC has been around since 1993, nobody (else) has 10 consecutive wins in the UFC. Anderson has had 10 fights in the UFC, only 1 has ever gone to a decision."
Ed Soares on why Andy is the best fighter in the world
agree
The voice of reason.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
All you guys hating are straight silly! The point of any fight is to win, and to do so my any means necessary with in the confines of the rules when it comes to a sport. The fact that you cannot appreciate technique, patience, and execution of a game plan says a lot about the the type of fans you are, and your level of knowledge in the sport. Why would a fighter go in the there and try to fight the other guys fight and feed into his strength( Daley v. Hazelett)? It is clear that Rashad knew what he had to do to win and he did so. He clearly had Silva frustrated the whole fight. He deviated from his plan in the last round and it almost cost him the fight. We all love a slug fest, but in MMA there is more to it then that and many other ways to win. I see such stupidity from commentators and even ring referees when they tell fighters to work when grappling, being ignorant that a lot of work, technique and skill is being displayed. I understand the reason, they know people get bored with it because plain and simply, they know nothing about it. Educate yourselves, learn to understand the art and appreciate it and I promise you wont see another boring fight. Congrats on the win Rashad!
" I'll beat him so bad he'll need a shoehorn to put his hat on". -Muhammad Ali
+1
Rashad stuck to a great game plan and as soon as he deviated from it…he got hurt. Evans said after the fight that he struggled to keep with the game plan because he wanted to bang with him but Jackson kept yelling at him to stick to the game plan. There are far too many people that just want to see 2 guys stand and bang out it every single fight and don’t appreciate the fact that these guys need wins to get to the top. There are a lot guys that employ this stand and bang mentality and they usually never amount to much except they are considered exciting. That’s all well and good but taking that kind of damage makes for a short career and you risk a lot every time you go into a fight like that. Rashad exploited Thiago’s weaknesses and that’s the sign of a smart fighter and smart game plan.
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HELLO!!!
You fight to win the fight!! PERIOD
by Blood,bath and beyond on Jan 7, 2010 7:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My Only Gripe
I thought Rashad fought a very smart fight. My only gripe with his gameplan is that he wasn’t trying to do any damage to Thiago when he got him down. Just get him down and then stand back up and get him down again. Takedown’s imo are scored way to highly, esp since in jiu jitsu your taught to fight from your back. So being on your back does not necessarily mean your at a disadvantage. A takedown should solely be a means to get the fight to a position where you can inflict more damage to your opponent via GnP.
by ShowMeYourJits on Jan 7, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Sweeps
Rashad didn’t stay on Thiago too much because he respected Thiago’s ability to sweep from the guard. If you’ve seen other fights where Thiago was on his back…he has great sweeps and I think that Rashad simply didn’t want to end up on his back with Thiago on top.
"I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is, while you're in midair, you still hit those brakes! Hey, better try the emergency brake!"
by Buster Bluth on Jan 7, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Understandable...
But that doesn’t change the fact that Rashad did nothing with top position and that the takedown was fairly useless. Its like winning a football game based off of who had the most possession.
by ShowMeYourJits on Jan 7, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY
That is an awesome analogy. You can have the ball 48 minutes of the game and gain 300 yards of offense but if you punt it away each time and don’t score you still didn’t do anything with it. You had them right where you wanted them… till you didn’t and had nothing to show for it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully
D White should reward Thiago n’ not push him down the ladder, he should get a high profile fighter matchup towards the belt… feed him Forrest.
Excuses?
yet another excuse we hear from a losing fighter!! have some respect, you got beatdown 2 out of 3 rounds and would get beat again 9 out of 10 times. If he had won I highly doubt we would hear any excuses but hear him say i want a title shot!! You lost, learn from it and dont cry.
This injury thing
came out before the fight. He was about to drop out according to rumor then mysteriously it all went away.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Listen
Having suffered from 2 bulging discs, back pain makes a huge difference. Depending on the extent of his injury, if it was something fairly serious he wouldve been at about 60%. Would he have won the fight? Hard to say, but i am just saying back injuries and neck injuries are a whole different ball game.
Yup
I’ve got a bulging and a herniated in my lower back and degenerative in my upper back… When they are flared up you can’t do shit
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 7, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for backing me up Burnz
I went here www.Bonati.com i am going back to jiu-jitsu in 3 months. They do miracles.
fixed ?
gee, you think maybe the fight was fixed?? durrrrrrrrrrr
THIAGO SILVA GOT MAD PROPS !!!
I THINK THIAGO GAINED ALOT IN THE LOSE, HE DIDNT LOSE TO A NOBODY HE LOST TO THE FORMER CHAMP !!!!!!!!!!! THIAGO GOT MAD PROPS HE WENT IN TO THE LAST ROUND AND BRUNG THE PAIN TO RASHAD, HE BANGED IT OUT EVEN THOUGH HE WAS GASED,HE MADE RASHAD’S STAND UP LOOK WEAK AND SHOWED THAT HE IS SOMEBODY TO BE RESPECTED! POPPING RASHAD AND ALMOST FINISHING HIM SHOULD KEEP HIM RIGHT IN THE MIX FOR THE TITLE!
HE DESERVES A LITTLE NOG FIGHT OR A BRANDON VERA FIGHT OR EVEN A FORREST GRIFFIN FIGHT, I THINK T.SILVA GOT PROPS FROM EVERY FIGHTER OUT THERE! PERIOD
Your T.Silva has huge potential Markave and this is just a learning lesson
Cardio, takedown and gappling training could make Tsilva one of the best in the world.
Next fight for Thiago
I would really like to see him fight the loser of the Jones/Vera fight, with Nog fighting the winner. I think it makes more sense to have Nog fighting a guy coming off a win and Thiago fighting a guy coming off a loss. The other option for me is for Nog to fight Coture after he beats Coleman, and for Silva to fight Vera regardless of his outcome with Jones. Leaving Forrest out of this because I want to see him fight Rich Franklin
Thiago
Thiago is a HUGE dude, but I feel at 205 hes really soft, maybe he should pull an overeem, lift and eat like a mad man put on like 20-30 pounds and rock heads at HW
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