'Monster' mash: Randy Couture doesn't make it out of the first round against Mark 'Country Boy' Coleman
by Jesse Holland on Jan 5, 2010 11:51 AM EST
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"If Mark Coleman is in shape, Randy doesn’t make it past first round. Mark has got heavy hands. He’s got country boy strength. He’s got generations of strong country motherfuckers on his side. He’s excited. He’s going to surprise everyone."
Kevin "The Monster" Randleman sounds off on his friend and former Hammerhouse training partner Mark Coleman in regards to "The Hammer's" upcoming match against fellow UFC Hall of Famer Randy Couture. Aside from both being fortysomething, the two wrestlers are former UFC heavyweight champions trying to retain their MMA value as light heavyweights. Does "The Natural" surpass Coleman in the longevity department? Or will the winner of the PRIDE 2000 Open Weight Grand Prix prove he's still got a few tricks up his sleeve at UFC 109 on Feb. 6?
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Hammerhouse
Is there any fighter in Hammerhouse that is even decent? Or under the age of 35? That has to be the worst camp now. It used to be a solid camp back in the day when Randleman, Coleman, and Baroni were actually mediocre…now it’s a training camp/retirement home. I bet they play shuffleboard in their spare time from training. Their gym consists of 2 medicine balls and a poster of Hulk Hogan showing off his 24" pythons circa 1989.
"I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is, while you're in midair, you still hit those brakes! Hey, better try the emergency brake!"
lol...the gym is actually located on Coleman's front porch
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
I'm telling ya that Coleman will win this one. I keep telling you guys that Handy is fading and that's the truth (sorry OD).
Coleman by possum TKO.
I've been saying that since before joe silva even thought about putting the fight together.
All the Hammer needs is cardio. He has way more power, way better chin, better wrestling credentials, more heart (that’s right, i dare anyone to disagree) and couture sucks at fighting off of his back, or side. If it’s ever between wall and stall vs LNP, always go LNP baby, it’s easier to conserve energy. Couture’s hands sucks and the pitter patter shots will only tell Coleman where to shoot the TDs. Add in motivational awesomeness from the Best Eva and The monster. I just don’t see how he loses.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 5, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
lol, I wouldn't go as far than you on this one but I agree that he won't lose that fight.
I do see him getting the TD’s on Handy and GnP him till he quits though.
O come on Alpha....
Coleman is going to out wrestle Couture? I don’t think so; and Coleman’s stand up is garbage. Complete crap; this is the one fight where Randy isn’t going to use his wrestling at all except for TDD. I expect him to keep it on the feet use superior head movement/boxing to out point Coleman. Mark is going to dive in for a TD, not get it then press Randy up into the fence trying to get it for 2-3 mins in the first round. Midway second round he’s gassed, I won’t be surprise if Randy TKO’s him with strikes. Couture wins this fight easily cause lets face it; the only guys beating him on the ground have a significant size advantage and unfortunatley for Coleman, this fights at 205.
by O damn he got caught on Jan 5, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
lol, I never said that he will out-strike Captain Paycheck though, but I do believe that the Hammer possum will put Handy on his back in the 1st rnd. Don’t call it “out wrestle” if you want, but it will happen. Plus Coleman got excellent top control with good GnP. I expect him to keep Randy guessing for the TD’s, nullifying his better boxing and eventually get the TD and put an awesome display of layNpray and GnP on Handy for 2 rnds before getting the TKO. Hammer time is coming baby.
someone will win via clip behind the ear KO
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
ah. the hilarity. hahahaha.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Jan 6, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Once Vera lost
I said immediately that this fight was going to happen. I don’t really care for it though. Wins over Vera and Coleman shouldnt really do anything for Randy as wins over Bonner and Couture shouldn’t do anything for Coleman in the LHW division.
They should have named this card UFC 109: Moving Fossils.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
UFC 109: Battle of the Ages
"You don't come to have your fingernails or your toenails painted. Goddamn, you come to fight, not to be a fairy."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Jan 5, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
IF...
If Randy can get a quality win after this fight; like Jardine, Rashad, Thiago, Little Nog,Rampage; IF he could pull it off against one of them in his next fight I would have absolutley no objection to him fighting for the title. I am a HUGE Couture fan, but if they try to market a title shot after a win over Coleman and a win over Vera; even I’ll be miffed. Agreed that this doesn’t do much for Randy but I think it would be a big win for Coleman. Also, even if he never gets another title shot, a rematch with Ortiz or a 3rd fight with Chuck will still generate some interest and sell some PPV’s. Not saying those are dream match ups; but I can’t help it, I love the legends and would like to see Couture or Chuck go out on a win streak when they retire for good.
by O damn he got caught on Jan 5, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
This is a huge win for Coleman if he gets it...
Because he’ll still have a job on Tuesday, same with Handy. Neither one of these guys is within 3 fights of a title shot. Sorry to say it OD but your boy is done. He’s slowly being lead out to pasture like Tito, Chuck, Matt Hughes, Cro Cop and Coleman. I like watching all the old guys too, but they shouldn’t be mentioned in title fight talk(unless one of them wins 2 fights against guys in the top 8 of their divisions).
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
you mean once Vera beat him.
He knocked him down in the 2nd and mounted Randy in the 3rd. this fight with Mark is only to make money on two oldies that are finally over the hill, hope Mark wins the wrestling match and if he does he’s got a small chance.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
Mounted him for 1 second then randy escaped
by CoutureisKing on Jan 5, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
yes maybe so CoutureisKing but it was never the other way around.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
randy clearly beat Vera. quotations to signify sarcasm aren't necessary
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I guess their not
since anyone with half a brain knows Randy didn’t win that fight.
Your inability to comprehend simple things is purely evident, being that you meant to reply to my post but replied to the wrong one.
Must be that great canadian education.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
careful
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
I guess it must be...
…Although anyone of intelligence would have to question the validity of an assertion worded as haphazardly and shoddily as yours. Even my poor Canadian education permits me that much perspective.
That said, you’re right that Randy didn’t deserve a win for that fight. There are far too many decisions lately that should have been draws. I don’t know what the pressure is to award victories in fights where there’s no clear cut winner. It’s not like Vera or Couture would have been cut loose for drawing that fight…
I had to make my words easy for guys like you and worby to understand.
You know how it is when your talking to kids.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
I have three of them, and I teach high school...
…so I know exactly what it’s like when YOU’RE talking to kids and THEY’RE listening.
And your words would need to be “simple” in order for others to understand.
Must be your illustrious state tested, No Child Left Behind education hard at work here in your comments.
(Note: You may want to tread lightly when mucking with Canadians. Unlike the majority of Americans who can’t find their own state on a map OR Canada on a map OF CANADA, we know where you are, how to read and spell and we’re generally very knowledgeable about American politics. You can throw blind, sloppy haymakers if you want. Just don’t be cranky when you get knocked around with crisp counterstriking.)
re: Felix
American idiot. Anyways if you’ve ever replied you’d see they don’t always go exactly where you hit reply. Wow, what a concept hey? Oh well Americans are extremely ignorant so there is no explaining to him.
Happy 9/11 loser.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 6:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Happy 9/11?
daniel, that isn’t cool. Mexi isn’t all bad. I enjoy his posts, and if you keep it clean with him he will do the same. You aren’t serious about the American’s being ignorant either, I know you are better than that.
Happy 9/11 isn’t cool no matter where you are from. I am offended by that.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I really don’t care. I can’t talk to that guy. He’s too thick headed. Everytime I try and state something its a war of ignorance with him. I can pretend Vera lost the 3rd round as well, but what’s the point? I’m not stupid I can see he won it. Is it really so difficult to understand the judging and rules in UFC? Randy won the 1st two rounds. He may not have done it by striking fiercely, but he stuck to his gameplan of control and though it was a slow fight, you can’t take a win away for it not entertaining ppl.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
same thing as the Shad/Silva fight
Winning two rounds to one is still a win. Even if they were losing at the end of the fight.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
whoa, hold up bro. are you saying Couture won the fight? any human being with two eyes saw Vera CLEARLY won that fight. Couture didn’t take him down, he didn’t hit or anything, fact is he looked more tired from all his clinching than Vera did but that’s totally besides point as this is not a cardio competition.
to make it clear to you Vera knocked Randy down in the third round and take him down more times than Randy got him down, he also had Randy mounted at one time, not to talk about the strikes landed and strikes thrown stats, he was probably 30-0 in that aspect.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
sorry knocked him down in the 2nd round and mounted him in the third.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
LOL, Roberto
It’s the exact same argument as the last one about Shad/Silva. I think I pointed out the similarities. Randy won 2 rounds to Vera’s one. It doesn’t matter that Vera decided to wake up in the third, he had already lost 2 rounds at that point.
Don’t assume that everyone with two eyes agrees with your horrible judging of fights. You can’t seem to grasp the fact that this isn’t a fight, it is a sporting event. Overall damage isn’t what matters, the damage in each round matters. Randy imposed his will in 2 of the 3 rounds. 30 second bursts (no matter how good they are) won’t win you a 5 minute round. Even holding a guy against the cage is considered imposing you will. It sucks but that is the way the UFC is judged, I hate ineffective wrestling, but it scores points. If Handy holds you against the fence for 12 minutes in a fight, and doesn’t take a lot of damage, he will most likely win.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
ps im not visiting this thread again so if you'd like to continue this discussion find me on another thread
Randy controlled the entire fight and there was no reason for Vera to win anything other than the 3rd round.
The scoring system doesn’t allow you to go back and change your previously judged rounds. nor should it.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well i bitched and bitched about the last card. I can only bitch so long im just going to sit back and enjoy this card.
I second that, BJ!
But, I bet Medicare is pissed that they’re gonna be footing the hospital bills! lol
by Dana's a Crossdresser on Jan 5, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
he's got one trick up his sleeve...playin' possum...haha
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
Real Oldschool guys!
Literally. I root for Coleman but Randy wins.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
if randy has been using his tower 200...
then coleman doesnt stand a chance!
especially if randy has been doing his daily 11 minute routine….hopefully coleman didnt see the infomercial and buy one for himself
Theres nothing funner than lettin them hands go
-rashad before refusing to let his hands go at ufc 108
by Newfie3 on Jan 5, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
^this
is awesome
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
Anything can happen in a fight!
But, for this fight, I predict Randy is gonna grind on Coleman all through the first round. About midway through the second, Coleman will be running on fumes! Randy will have his way with him after that! Randy by second round Ref stoppage!
by Dana's a Crossdresser on Jan 5, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions
LOL
I wonder if they’ll print it in Playboy?
by Dana's a Crossdresser on Jan 5, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Instead of this card being plagued with injuries, it’s gonna be plagued by deaths from old age. I hope they don’t spend a lot of money on marketing this until they make sure that they are both gonna be alive on the fight date.
randy will win hopefully
Then once Jones is done killing Vera they can put Vera against Coleman too, so two seniors and an up and comer can run thru Vera and send him packing.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not sure why, but this post has provoked the funniest comments in awhile:
captain paycheck, saggy tits flopping on his face, purty mouth, playing shuffleboard,
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Jan 6, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions
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