Vadim Finkelchtein: 'There are no talks with the UFC whatsoever'
by Jesse Holland on Jan 5, 2010 12:02 AM EST
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"Today I heard the rumors of me allegedly stating on my twitter account that we are negotiating with the UFC. I want to state that there are no talks with the UFC whatsoever. Our partner in the USA is STRIKEFORCE, we are happy to cooperate with STRIKEFORCE. Fedor (Emelianenko) and Gegard (Mousasi) fight there and they are quite happy with the conditions and how they are treated with respect there. Finally, I don’t have any account on Twitter. The account that ignited the rumors is false. Our attorneys are already aware of the situation and shortly this fake account will be deleted."
Co-owner and President of M-1 Global Vadim Finkelchtein today made a statement through M-1 Global shooting down erroneous Internet reports that claimed the MMA Czar had reopened negotiations with the UFC. Unfortunately the Twitter account used to give life to the rumors was later discovered to be fake and Finky reaffirms the relationship between Strikeforce and his top stars Fedor Emelianenko and Gegard Mousasi. M-1 has been out of the Dana White business since talks between the two sides broke down in August 2009, prompting the Russians to join the party in San Jose. Was it a good decision? That all depends on who you ask. What say you?
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No deal with UFC is going to be good for Finkelchtein or M-1, because they are essentially nothing without him and UFC has no reason to co-promote with their one trick pony company.
Would anyone ever mention M-1 if not for Fedor?
It may be good for Fedor, but there will be no UFC contract for Fedor until he leaves those guys, they are way too self serving.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
Strikeforce/M1 will give the UFC a run for the money...
Strikeforce is attracting good fighters, has a network television deal and treats their fighters with respect. Having multiple strong MMA organizations is good for the fans (more shows) and good for the fighters (more fighting opportunities and more competitive pay). The only downside is that the best fighters do not always get to fight each other.
Same Ol, Same Ol
I’m all about having multiple orgs putting out good MMA, and I enjoy StrikeForce’s cards, but the “UFC doesn’t respect the fighters” bit is tired. In the freemarket, performance dictates worth and respect is earned, and given back in the form of a check. If a fighter doesn’t feel like he’s being “respected”, he can leave, plain and simple. If this worn out rant were true, StrikeForce would have all the UFC’s top fighters.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
re: same ol same ol
Give it time.
If you build it they will come. These guys can’t just up and leave ya know? They do have contracts. Some may not have even been in contact with SF yet. I assure you some of them will be leaving soon with more to follow later.
Oh, and if you think the rant of “fighters being disrespected” is old now? My friend, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 7:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL, there is no way they will give the UFC a run for there money.
How did that network deal work out for ElIte XC? In theory having multiple mma orgs may be good for fans and for fighters. But in reality, the UFC has name recognition and the vast majority of top tier fighters. The next time your watching a fight card at a bar or with a group of casual mma fans, ask them if they watch Strikeforce or if they know who Fedor or Mousasi are. I love to watch all mma and all mma fighter, but I guarantee that one year from now Strikeforce will have a lot more in common with Elite XC, Bodog, Affliction, WFA and IFL then they do with the UFC.
re: elite xc
If you think STRIKEFORCE is in any way, shape or form, like Bodog or elite xc, you need to start watching STRIKEFORCE a little more often and paying closer attention to the threads. Affliction went for PPV instantly and with half the amass of a roster that SF is growing in to.
Elite xc banked it all on a fighter that was considered a bum there, but now you all cheer for him in ufc.
STRIKEFORCE took its time, hasn’t only been here since signing the significant FEDOR like everyone seems to think, and they are just getting started. They aren’t going anywhere, and in 18 mos you’ll see they do pose a threat to UFC.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 7:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It maybe some time before they pose a threat to the UFC...
They are still predominatly a San Jose based oraganization. Most of the fighters come from the California area. I think a lot of there top level guys are using SF as lay over and to prove they are UFC worthy. Of all the fighters they have very few will stay with SFapproached by the UFC. I think Grim is UFC bound as soon as his contract ends. Shields, Souza, Zaromskis, MElendez and Thompson I think will all also end up in the UFC shortly. They all want to crack the best in the world. BJ Penn is the 155 guy to beat and Silva is the MW guy to beat. The rest of their divisions are bush league at best. Moussasi and Fedor are different stories. Vlad the career Impaler will never get co-promotion from the UFC, so those are the only 2 fighters who will be missed, so they can keep fighting nobodies and used to be’s. Moussasi has some great opps at 185, but at 205 there is nothing. Fedor has 2 or 3 interesting fights at best in SF.
da monkey
That’s a very fair way of putting it. At least your view makes sense.
STRIKEFORCE is definitely a little shy in top prospects, but they also aren’t showing any signs of slowing down.
Acquiring guys like
FEDOR
Gegard
Hendo
King Mo
Mayhem
Etc, in such a short period of time is definitely not hurting them. They won’t be bigger then UFC over night, but I don’t feel they are at any risk of going under.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 8:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The one thing I can see Dana and the UFC doing if they see Strikeforce really threatening is opening the purse and buying away some of Strikeforce’s guys.
Dana doesn't have the hate for SF that he had with Affliction
The only thing SF has done that pissed Dana off was sign Fedor were Dana believes Fedor is wasting his talents and a valid opinion in my mind. Dana would love to have all the best but companies like SF and Dream are needed for the fighters and I think Dana knows that. He doesn’t see them as competition right now anyway. Three or four CBS events a year is all SF can put up as far as big draws go.
You are right Daniel. I actually like SF. I just think with the 2 or 3 cards a year they can do it won’t pose a threat.. My big thing is I think SF is a layover for alot of these guys. King Mo will come to the UFC because of all the trash talk with Rampage. But either way I will enjoy what they have to offer and I hope they remain growing. It couldn’t hurt us as fans at all to have extra events to watch. What ever. I am an MMA fan first then a UFC fan. I watch the crappy World of Combat or whatever it is from Arizona, where they are actually asking for people to call up to fight, to all my HDNET reruns and all my current events and ppvs…Well for now Enjoy I am ….
Always defending your beloved Strikrforce Daniel.
Your just like me and Cro Cop…lol
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
tkkpal
Ya, but I used to have intro to help take some of the brunt of the battle. Lol now I rock solo and just hope my sword swingith hard enough.
Fuck, I give you props for taking crocops side til death, that is one tough battle to sway opinions on. Best of luck mate.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Look, The bell saved Nog in the second round from being TKO'd against CC and The Emperor could of lost the decision to him easy!!
Imagine if Cro Cop was the only man to truly beat Fedor(Not some crap loss due to a cut), man that would of been unreal on Cro Cop’s resimay and would of re-written the history books…lol. Cro Cop is just the man inside and out of the cage imo. Made me start training and so on and I could just defend the man all day but nobodys interested anymore, shame really. Your right to defend Strikeforce too dude, stand up for what you believe in!!
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
hold up Daniel!
you know I got your back in this battle!
SF isnt going anywhere…SF is awesome!
btw, I dont believe Vadim for a second! A respected website quoted Dana white, admitting that they have resumed talks! I do believe that it wasnt Vadim’-s twitter account…..but I honestly think they have been having secret talks, and Vadim didnt want it known because of is involvement with SF…all this is just damage control cause the news was leaked!
Sounds likely to me too John
Vadim isn’t going to say “Yes, we are planning Fedor’s future past April” Of course Vadim wants Fedor in the UFC. And of course Dana wants M1 hooking them up with 25 million viewers overseas(if that was correct about the Fedor/Rogers fight).
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Tkkpal,
Totally hear you on old Cro man. No debate he was my hero too. Just don’t think its in him anymore.
John G,
I’m ready to go to battle for SF everyday if I have to. Nice to know I have support with a few of you.
Da monkey,
SF will be putting on 6 or 7 cards a year from now on. They should continue to grow I feel, and I know what you’re saying about guys leaving back to UFC, I don’t share that point but its valid. Although I don’t think the King Mo/Waaampage beef would take Mo from SF cause I don’t think Waaampage fights after his remaining 2.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mo will be in the UFC
sooner rather then later. SF will get a lot of UFC guys, but UFC will also get a lot of SF guys.
If these two organizations ever level off with 50% talent in each one, than we(the fans) will truly win.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I like Strike Force, they have a better more diversified roster than Elite XC ever did.
(M-1 really has nothing to do with that expect piggy backing on Fedor (and Gegard)
I don’t think they are going to give UFC a run for their money at all, but they may be able to make money and be a nice alternative for fighters.
If they try to out right compete with the UFC they’ll fail just like everyone else did.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
well said dp
in fact, there is nothing more to say about the matter.
by Conan the Barbarian on Jan 5, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
You’re a funny dude, pal.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I have my good and bad days...
Cheers bud, watched the new Universal Soldier movie last night, AA, JCVD, Mike Pyle, not a bad show in fairness, some awsome fight scenes, AA was the best MMA fighter turned actor i’ve seen so far, mind you, he has about two lines in the movie so maybe thats why…lol. But a very watchable show by JCVD standards.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
ill have to look out for it...
hate to admit it but jcvd was my hero when i was younger.bloodsport/kickboxer/cyborg/awol and the first universal soldier were class!! hard target and death warrant were ok but his latest ones have been shit!!
Re:
True ShaiZ, these guys are jackasses.. they want to use the same old line that Dana White doesn’t respect his fighters just because they can’t get half the UFC’s business for Fedor’s fights… why the hell would Dana offer millions to a fighter he didn’t respect? what a load of crap… I bet if Dana was willing to co-promote with M-1 Global, these guys wouldn’t give two shits how he treats the rest of his fighters.. most of which are happy to fight in the UFC…
i agree, and once fedor does lose strikeforce will go under, they have noone who could hang in the ufc but fedor and mousasi and gegard is still a big maybe, he beat guys they cut for sucking..
seriously m-1 needs to putup or shutup and let fedor be a man and fight the ufc HW champ, the ufc already said they woulda let him fight brock and he signs with SF because of m1 global? f that excuse its meaningless jeremy horn didnt care about his own promotion and fought for the ufc for years its not like fedor even fights at m1 events so he should just sign with the ufc who cares honestly
The problem is M-1 will never let him fight for the UFC, without full control and a co-promotion, everything they are relies on Fedor.
The UFC will never co promote with M-1 and I don’t blame them, it’s a terrible business move.
So until Fedor is free of M-1 we’ll never see him in the UFC, let’s all just hope he doesn’t renew with them.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
the problem is...
that fedor does not care where he fights. he doesnt care about hype..he doesnt even know who is ranked where..he just fights for a job and mother russia. i mean look at his face, you think he gives a shit if dana white bans ruca gear on the ufc? haha..fedor is the man..not a great business man..but we all should know by now that he’ll never lose.
"i only want to be known as the best ever, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
He probably will lose
I hope he doesn’t because he’s my favourite fighter ever! but he probably will lose. IMO Fedor probably is the best fighter ever, but exactly because he isn’t the best. by which I mean he isn’t the best striker out there, infact he’s pretty clumsy, he is probably one of the best grapplers in the fight game, his grappling credentials are unquestionably some of the best around.
what I’m trying to say is, take Brock Lesnar, Anderson Silva, GSP in particular… GSP and Brock are incredible athletes, born with bodies that were made to fight, and an incredible aptitude for it.
take Anderson Silva or BJ Penn two guys who are just unbelievably talented, like it seems that they do this stuff in their sleep, Andy’s punches, knees and all round striking game is just earily good, like he is genetically enhanced or something, like he has laser sensors in his eyes and BJ’s BJJ is just another level, world champ after 3 years!!! a fighter as flexible as him is damn rare not to mention his boxing.
but for me Fedor doesn’t fit into the same bracket as those guys, as much as he is a sambo and judo gold medalist however many times over, watching him fight, alot of the time you wouldn’t know it, he isn’t naturally athletic, he’s isn’t that tall and is a chubby top heavy build, but the thing that makes him great and IMO the best is despite that, he is where he is today, he has been in trouble in fights more often than not, and he has always come back for the win, I can’t explain it but somehow he always pulls it off. and I can already hear the “fighting second rate guys” and all the bitching about him not being in the UFC, but he hasn’t lost a fight in almost a decade of pro mma, with fights against the likes of Babalu, Schilt, Herring, Big Nogx2, Goodridge, Colemanx2, Randleman, Cro Cop, Mark Hunt, Lindland, Sylvia, Arlovski… and I appreciate that this list isn’t the current who’s who of MMA, but we’re talking about over a 9-10 year period and all of these guys were contenders in their day and some still are. point I’m making is that in all this time if he was as crap as so many say he is he would have dropped atleast one damn fight!
would he beat Brock… I don’t know, Brock is a pretty unique athlete, there aren’t many, if any like him in MMA. But Fedor would give him one hell of a fight win or lose.
is he ducking brock… I don’t think so, the mistake that people make with Fedor is that they forget that he is just an ordinary guy, he never promised to be the best, he never claimed to be the best, he is just a guy who loves to fight and is lucky enough to get paid for it. And we are lucky enough to be able to watch! Fedor has nothing left to prove.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 5, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Spinning Fat Kick...
That post is the TRUTH!! I’d rec that shit if I knew how. I’d almost go as far as saying a Perfect post if I ever read one.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
Agree/
Good post SFK.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
To be honest
I’m just glad somebody was bothered to read the whole thing!
but thanks tkkpal
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 5, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
It was a good post
And I agree with every word. I’m not a Fedor fan at all, but you made some amazing points.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
always a fan
i keep trying to chime in but you and worby take all the words out of my mouth
dude.....i am
cheers Brendawg
I’m just a big mouth so I spout off without much thought as fast as I can. Otherwise you’d probs beat me to the punch.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
FEDOR emotions
One thing that’s always stood out to me about FEDOR is what he does after he wins. Nothing. The man doesn’t even smirk. No fist pump. No climbing the cage. No calling out someone. Nothing. Its beautiful to see. Hell he’s the only guy in mma that does nothing. Like its his job and he never had a doubt. After throwing the coolest KO punch of the year IMO against Rogers I almost jumped through the roof, so did his henchmen, they streak in there smiles ear to ear, hoisting and hugging FEDOR after a fantastic KO while FEDOR…does nothing. I adore that.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Props for that for sure
Mousasi is the same in his fighting approach. He just walks in there and does the job. There’s nothing wrong with a little celebration once in a while, but it is refreshing to watch PROFESSIONALS like Fedor and Mousasi.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
????
Im shocked….i might to need to go grab a coors, thats right a coors, bud light dont pay me shit
dude.....i am
SFK: AMAZING POST BUDDY!
Couldnt have said it better myself!
omoplato i applaud you
That was my favorite post to read in a week or so. Thank you for brightening up my morning. I thoroughly enjoyed that. Well done.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
athankyouverymuch
unless there is sarcasm i’ve missed.
"i only want to be known as the best ever, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
FEDOR = no UFC.
I don’t ever want to see FEDOR in the UFC. Not his job. Nothing to prove.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 7:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What a stupid thing to say, daniel.
You don’t ever want Fedor in the UFC? It isn’t his job to prove anything, but I still want to see him in the UFC.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
jay
I don’t want him in the UFC. EVER. If it were my way, I’d simply move the current UFC champs to SF and let it flow from there.
Its just my opinion and if I’m alone on it, I’m cool with that. Lol, yes I realize there may not be a ton of fights for the champs there, but really, Penn will beat anyone in his weight class, as will GSP in his, as will Andy in his. So its kind of similar.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 8:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you mean just get rid of Dana?
I wouldn’t mind that at all. If Dana would die, the MMA scene in NA would be amazing. He did what we needed him to do, now he needs to move on or grow up.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
re: put up or shutup
STRIKEFORCE and FEDOR and M1 do not have to do anything to please the UFC crowd. At all. Hey, get over it, the best HW of all time in mma is not going to fight for an asshole. Everyone says FEDOR has to fight Brock to be the best, why? Brock should have to fight FEDOR to be the best. Let Brock leave after his contract is done. FEDOR has nothing left to prove. The people who know about him already know how great he is, the people who don’t know, think he needs to fight Brock.
FEDOR has done more in his mma career then Brock will. That’s the truth. Brock needs 25 straight wins now to match him. And if he did amass this, no it wouldn’t be against ‘all top guys’, so that argument is useless. Mir, Nog, and that’s it for ‘top hw contenders’. Shane is no more ‘top’ then Werdum or Overeem. Not yet.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 7:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
re: once FEDOR loses STRIKEFORCE will go under
Don’t hold your breath.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 8:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just read on...
Patrick Cote’s facebook that he said he’d be returning at the UFC in Montreal. He doesn’t know who his opponent will be. I hope it’s sexyama…I think Cote can finish him.
Cote in Montreal?
Get outta here!
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
FEdor ever coming to the UFC
I most likely never going to happen. So the greatest questions in MMA will never be answered.My only thing is I hope Fedor can hopefully retire UnDEFEATED and also retire before becoming WASHED UP. BUT in all actuality I see Fedor fighting as long as possible into his 40’s with a few losses by that time, just because he is such a fierce competitor like a Michael Jordan or Elway or Favre. The GREAT one never know when to quit.
Anyway Fedor will atleast for this generation in MMA be the greatest fighter the world has seen period. Dont even waste time and mention Silva
Your opinion...
Dont think you can claim Fedor as the greatest win he’s never fought in the UFC. He did work back in Pride but beating ex UFC champs and fighters who are “ex” for a reason isn’t the same as beating current top UFC HWs especially now since it’s so stacked in the UFC. Silva’s so good he can destroy top guys in the weight class above him. Fedor’s record will forever have an asterisk by it unless he shows he can beat all the current UFC guys.
re: asterisk
If fedor has to have one in ‘your opinion’, then so should every other HW from the UFC that never fought FEDOR. He is the best, you haven’t fought him then you never fought the best. UFC doesn’t have to be where top HW’s go.
You know what’s funny is if Shane lost to Mir @111 then was dropped and went to SF and won 2 then fought FEDOR and lost, everyone from the ‘UFC crowd’ would be saying that Shane was a ‘can’. You can’t please some people.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 8:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shane is an over hyped can
And beating Murrr won’t change that.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
jay
The point I’m trying to prove here, is think about it this way: what UFC hw riding a loss (I doubt they leave after winning), would FEDOR haters consider a ‘non can’? Nog? Been there done that. In his prime. More than once. Mur? They’d say he is done and just lost to Shane who is a can. Shane? Can.
I don’t think these guys are all cans at all, I’m simply saying, other then Brock, FEDOR would still be considered as beating cans ya catch my drift?
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Boooooo!
No talks whatsoever? THat’s actually what they all should be talking about this 2010!
Whatever the fuck you do in life, echoes in eternity! <----slightly edited
-Maximus[Gladiator]
Fedor Will Never Be #1
The simple fact of the matter is that Fedor didn’t sign with the UFC because he’s ducking the top level competition so he can retain his aura of greatness and invincibility. He’s a sell out. I never want to see him ranked anywhere near #1 until he fights in the UFC and PROVES he’s #1. He just got his ass beat by a bottom of the barrel fighter on the last Strikeforce card before landing what is becoming his signature lucky punch (because the other guy got lazy—because he’s a bottom of the barrel fighter).
So Fedor, until you ditch M1 and fight in the UFC, I say fuck your aura and fuck your ranking. You’re garbage.
by BlackBeltMarketing on Jan 5, 2010 7:06 AM EST reply actions
re: until you ditch M1 and fight in the UFC, I say fuck your aura and fuck your ranking. You’re garbage.
Ooooo Blackbelt marketing says you’re garbage FEDOR! You hear him? Oh wait you don’t read these sites, little lone read English.
Or, for that fact take advice on his career from some dude online.
FEDOR is #1. And ‘THAT’ is plain and simple.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 8:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
daniel
I’ve seen you say “little lone” a couple times. I just want you to say “let alone” once. little lone isn’t english either, since you are yelling at that dude about english.
But what would you know about english? You’re just a chinese guy. LOL. LOL. LOL.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
DAMMIT Chinese guy!
Lol, fair enough, you know I had been meaning to ask about ‘little lone’, ‘little own’, ‘let alone’ etc for a while and never ended up doing so.
I now will never make that mistake again.
I just got served.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 8:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol and i wasnt ragging on buddies English just that i doubted FEDOR could read English very well.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 9:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I misread your post.
You’re right, you weren’t cutting that guys English up. I also wasn’t ‘serving’ you, I just thought seeing ‘little lone’ was weird.
When you say let alone it does sound like little lone or little own. I’m not making fun of you, just find reading ‘little lone’ weird.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
ha ha good one yan117
Lol, to be fair I didn’t know which was proper and if you were to look back I just randomly chose a different one each time I said ‘let alone’, I had no clue so I kept changing it, I think I even used little loan once :S
Like the fighter in point was lending money. Idiot. Lol
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is what I don't understand
The fans are the ones that are heaping all this shit on Fedor. I bet he doesn’t give a rats ass about proving his legacy or any of that stuff. Not everyone is cut from the same mold, fighters included. Just because some people think he is ducking does not mean that is the case.
He just got his ass beat by a bottom of the barrel fighter on the last Strikeforce card…..
This quote alone makes you seem like a supreme idiot. Since when is someone getting punched in the face a couple times equate to getting your ass beat? Move along troll.
"Maybe Mur is going through menopause and is retaining water"---Ubernoober
irrelevant
As i have said before I care not for what fedor does anymore, he talks about respect yet he didnt have the respect to sit down with dana and lorenzo, instead having his muppet of a manager doing it!!
The guy is not the great man you all speak of, yes hes a top heavy weight, and possibly could be the best. However you cant be the best if you dont fight the best and thats a fact!! No point bringing up the past fights against nog etc, fact is nog is a good match up for fedor, only wau nog wins is by sub and fedor isnt gettin sub’d.
So the real tests out there for fedor are the likes of, Brock, carwin, cain, dos santos…..not bloody rogers!!!!
GET REAL PEOPLE the guy is becoming irrelevant!
Respect?
Dana has never shown an ounce of respect to Fedor, infact he has spent his whole career insulting the man.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 5, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
SFK
Don’t waste your time, I’ve talked to the real mo a couple times. The guy is retarded.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
to retarded to reply anyway
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 5, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
?retarted?
Are you serious, i dont recall the “couple of times”?
as for being to retarted to reply, we cant all spend our time playing on the internet spinning fat nob!!
Im retarted?? please explain…is it because i simply dont agree with your views or because you are ignorant and only see things from your own point of view?
More than likely you are amongst the problem fans that boo at events etc, its pretty clear by your quick to judge approach and negative comments to anyone who has a differing view, that you are just a plain fool. Sorry for having a point of view i was under the impression thats what these blogs were for? Then again im retarted!!
the real mo
You’ll notice that even though you have indeed typed something you still haven’t actually replied to my comment about Dana and Fedor.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 5, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
the real mo
I don’t remember what we were arguing about, maybe Alpha Male could help me out? He remembers stuff like that better than I do.
This isn’t your first post, and so far every post I’ve read of yours makes me believe you are retarded. Here’s a couple quick examples from those two posts you made today….
“the guy is becoming irrelevant”-you talking about Fedor.
“we cant all spend our time playing on the internet spinning fat nob” trying to make fun of me for being paid to bash morons like you….stupid.
“However you cant be the best if you dont fight the best” again about Fedor. Who hasn’t Fedor beaten to convince you he is the best MMA fighter of all time?
“So the real tests out there for fedor are the likes of, Brock, carwin, cain, dos santos”-Fedor is the real test for these dudes, not the other way around. Why would Fedor have to beat Carwin and Cain to be the best? Shane and Cain aren’t even the best in their organization, LET ALONE the world.
I think you need to watch more than the UFC, you sound like a fanboy right now…Now do you see why I called you retarded? And this is only from two posts, the ones I was arguing with you about a few days ago were much worse.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
you amuse me
you clearly are a deluded person arent you!!! at what point did I say Fedor wouldnt be a test for these guys?? Thats right i didnt, just as I said Fedor has beaten the likes of Nog but you missed out the part I said about Nog being a good match for Fedor, which he is!
The reason Fedor is becoming irrelevant is not because because he is a low level fighter (AS I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT). No, its because he is not fighting fighters that pose him a real challenge, that my friend is fact.
In relation to “fanboy”! Once again you are basing your argument simply on the fact I am not agreeing with your FEDOR nuthugging argument!! At what point have I ever dissed strikeforce or any other org? SF has many talented fighters, many of which are some of my fav fighters such as Mousasi. However these fighters are not in the HW div!! Which as you know is the div mr.fedor fights in!!!
"we cant all spend our time playing on the internet spinning fat nob" trying to make fun of me for being paid to bash morons like you….stupid.?? This was directed at spinning Fat Kick not you!! as he said I was to retarted to reply, my argument being the aforementioned!!!!! (and you say im retarted) lol
Then you quoted me, "However you cant be the best if you dont fight the best", again I think I answered that question. Moreover incase you havent noticed fighters are becoming far more well rounded that the guys fedor beat in years past such as, cro-cop, randleman, coleman etc. Once again a pretty good reason why i think he should be fighting these up and coming fighters who have evolved with the sport. Something which people like you fail to recognise. Instead holding on to the fact fedor has beaten everyone? when in todays mma world he clearly has not!!
Then you picked out Cain and Carwin and stated they werent the best in their org?? Did I say they were? NO I DIDNT (simply that they were legitimate challenges for fedor), furthermore you fail to recognise that I did however mention the top guy in the ufc (Brock). Come on man please think before you write!!!!!
But as i said im clearly retarted!!!!
You totally blew the first thing you said and I quit reading after that.
Listen…Fedor doesn’t need to go to the UFC to fight Brock, Carwin, Cain Anybody. Those guys need him to come to the UFC to test themselves. Fedor is a proven winner, these guys haven’t fought anybody that matters.
Why would Fedor have to go to the UFC to test himself? You said “the real tests out there for fedor are the likes of, Brock, carwin, cain, dos santos”—To which I asked you why you think Fedor needs to be tested.
I am sure the rest of that post was good, but you’re wasting my time if you won’t understand a thing I said.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
i think i did answer that
You clearly did read on and realised that some of your comments were silly. The reason I think fedor should come to the ufc is because i believe he was the free agent not the fighters under contract with the ufc. I also believe that the true tests at hw are in the ufc, its not realistic to expect all these guys to go to SF.
As i said before i truly believe the sport has evolved and fighters have improved since fedor was defeating guys like cro cop…. however that is not to say fedor would demolish the guys in the ufc, i just believe these are the fights of interest.
I think its pretty clear I understood what you said, you called me a retard, I simply had my own views on the subject. Thats not to say Im right, they are just my views. Finally, you are quick to point out the things I miss, but what about the points you miss?
There is no need to be calling people “retards”
i meant not
I meant that it is not to say fedor would not demolish these guys, I realise he is the best hw out there. However the fights I want to see him in and the ones that are tests are in the ufc
I had to click on your name to see what we argued about the first time.
It was the Kongo video. Click on your profile and read the first thread you were on, you were defending Kongo in that video. Nothing more to say to you.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
ignorant
your ignorance is beyond recognition, you decide to look at older arguments when i clearly made you look silly with your brash, sweeping statements!!!
I wont read the old comment for the simple fact that i am aware that i can be byest towards fighters i like. That would include kongo and chuck liddell, you need to get out of “im always right bubble” and grow up!!
You are not always right you know!!!
jay is right
Also you spell retarded wrong. And saying FEDOR doesn’t show Dana respect is where it all went downhill from. That’s ignorance. That’s the perfect definition actually.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 7:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
why would i?
people like you are only on here to disrespect people and i have no time for that!
Quite simply I dont agree that he has shown fedor no respect, he has tried on numerous occasions to get him in the ufc to no evail. Yes dana is not the most diplomatic person in the world, i think we all know that. However dana has really only ever wanted to test fedor against the best, im pretty confident that the top competition for a hw is in the ufc at present. Unless you think fedor v the likes of rogers are really the tests for him?
you're hopeless man
If someone constantly called me a FUCKIN loser, and over rated, and a hack, and said I fight cans, then offered me up some coin by swearing and degrading me, i’d take my pride and talent elsewhere. That’s not difficult to see or understand. Maybe you like being told you’re useless and sworn and spoke down to for a few extra bucks, but I take less pay for piece of mind.
by daniel worby on Jan 5, 2010 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the real mo
you can’t call me spinning fat nob and then put me down for saying you’re retarded. Worby said it all about Fedor/Dana, you clearly just don’t understand what’s gone on.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 6, 2010 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
fact is
the fact is you insulted me first, so i responded!!
Secondly its the fight game, not a game of who is more respectable person. Everything you guys pick out from dana is the negative stuff, always is!! What about the fact he ACTUALLY tried to sign fedor?? Your missing that bit out, yes dana does get annoyed as do most of the fans when the best guys, including fedor dont fight the best!!
I clearly do know what has gone on, you are clearly a fedor fan and are happier to stand by him fighting the weaker opposition. If it was floyd v pacman would you be saying the same shit? I think not, the fact is fight fans want to see the best fights, FACT!!! This is more about M1 wanting to co-promote than anything else, begs the reason why you call me retarted. irrelevance comes around when irrelevant fights occur imo, and fedor at present is fighting opposition that pose him little threat or competition.
If it wasn't for Dana being an ass to Fedor Strikeforce would really suck
So I think us fans should thank Dana for helping SF out. Really in the end almost every fighter that fights under Dana respects Dana but in the end money decides everything as henderson was given a shot at the belt something he was not going to get his first fight and good money yet he still holds Dana with great respect.
Carwin and Cain
How are Cain and Carwin any more Proven than Brett Rogers…..ill give you cain but carwin has done nothing to prove that hes more than just a big puncher, same as Brett
dude.....i am
Carwin has power and good wrestling as well as a great camp
He is a far better fighter than Cain. But neither of them are top 5.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
thats interesting
I like to think that Cain has good wrestling and decent power and a great camp.
dude.....i am
We will see how good Cain and Carwin really are the nest few months
I think your right though jay Carwin has shown little weakness yet his ground game still needs to be answered but right now nobody really knows, and Cain has bad stand up right now anyway so he does show weakness. Rogers has also shown his KO power and is one of the up and coming stars he is strong wich helped him survive on the ground against Fedor but his ground skills are very weak bigger HW will have little trouble with him on the ground. Yes they all can improve but right now Carwin has shown less weakness than either two but they all need to be fighting the best possible fighters before any of us can argue who the best is out of all them. Any one of those guys against each other would be a great battle I think but I too believe Carwin has the best tools all around.
Agree...
But not yet. I wouldn’t mind seeing him fight Overeem and kill Werdum before he goes to fight Brock and JDS.
That’s 4 watchable fights for Fedor.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I know, Puck.
I was saying I wouldn’t mind seeing him kill Werdum. Werdum doesn’t deserve to fight Fedor, but since he(and a couple guys on Mania) want that fight, I say give it to him. It will be an easy win in Mac’s pool.
I also think he will beat Overeem, but at least Overeem stands a chance if it stays on the feet. Werdum is focked no matter where the fight takes place.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Strikeforce is 2nd rate!
Fedor should go to the UFC. He is a big fish in a small pond there. Same with Mousassi. Strikeforce has a handful of good fighters, the rest are all second tier at best. Him fighting in Strikeforce is the equivalent of Peyton Manning leaving thre NFL and going to play in the CFL (Canadian League). Of course Manning wouldn’t do that, it’s stupid. Looking great against has-beens and wanna be’s proves nothing. 5 years ago Fedor was the man. But i see his game slipping a lot against his last few opponents. Don’t think for one second he has A N Y interest in stepping in there against Lesnar.
Calu
yes good decision
Its time UFC fans take the stick out and realize strikeforce means MORE MMA on TV…they have some good fighters, why not embrace it? have TWO top fighting organizations? Then have a yearly tournament, our own Dynamite…I just dont see why this isnt a positive thing for the sport…Strikeforce is bringing in a lot of new fans…
Haley is the right coach who just needs good people around him, much like Cassel
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
Jamaal "Do it All" Charles
Strikeforce isn't a real contender to the UFC...
But I have to admit I’m loving the last couple of shows they have put on. Evolution was a damn good card even without the Last Emperor. I just hope that they bring in some people who know what they’re doing that can properly promote the company. Showtime can tout Strikeforce as being a huge asset to their line up in addition to their serial dramas. Also, who isn’t interested in a King Mo-Mousasi fight?!
No Offense M1
But The UFC doesnt need you, or Fedor or Mousasi. But those fighters as well as M1 as a business sure could use the UFC.
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