Brock Lesnar, Kimbo Slice and UFC 113 featured on ESPN's 'MMA Live' (Video)
by Jesse Holland on Jan 21, 2010 6:21 PM EST
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Greaaaaaaaaat
Brock and Kimbo in the mainstream media. A form WWE fighter and a former streetfighter. I’m sure the rest of the legit sports world is dumbfounded by this.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
Whaaaaaaat
I don’t think the rest of the “legit” sports world doubts Brock’s legitimacy anymore. Some have even gone on to say that he is even too legit, too legit to quit…..
by PSYQO78 on Jan 21, 2010 8:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He'll never be legit in Dave's eyes
Dave would you have turned down a couple million from Vince when you were finished school? You like to point out the fact he was a WWE star, how about the fact he was a wrestling champion? Or that he played professional football with zero experience? Or the fact that he is beating people that have trained martial arts their whole lives? Don’t just state the negative. You will start to sound bitter. How come you only comment on Brock threads? You have some sort of sick fetish for this man?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Brock is one of the few
He is one of those one out a million athletes that can do what they want, when they want. Im not a huge fan or anything but to ridicule the guy is stupid at best. Who else can you name that is capable of playing any sport including larger athletes? You may not like Brock, but to deny his skills is ridiculous. He is a supreme athlete who put the whole HW division on fear status within just a few fights. Dont put Brock on the same level as kimbo, ever.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Im a jackass,
for reiterating what P-Dubs and jay and many others have proven time and time again. Its just annoying to hear blind hate.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Striker just doesn't understand what kind of freakish athlete Brock is
He will though it’s only a matter of time jay. He can’t look past WWE with Brock even though a lot of non MMA fans know of Brocks freakish ability with his football try out and amazing combine combined with his size. The man is one of MMA greatest athletes especially in the HW division and Striker can’t look past the WWE thing? He can look past Barnetts but not Brocks. This is what makes Striker so ignorant towards Brock as he judges him only by his WWE and nothing else he’s no Kimbo infact he’s a very talented and decorated wrestler with freakish size and athlitism combined with KO power,work out ethic and determination he was able to come in against some of the best off the hop and be successful.
Unable to look past the WWE and little understanding of who Brock really is make Striker sound ignorant but in do time he will see what we already know jay. I’m not guarantee he is going to win every fight but he has a great shot against anyone it wasn’t long ago when 90% of this site judged Brock by the WWE and thought he would suck, me and you were few that thought Brock would be successful by his real back ground and understanding of the talents I know I didn’t think he would do this well this fast but I knew he had potential. Most now have have stopped judging Brock by the WWE and are judgin him by his talent and success.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
Haha that's what I said in one of the epic Brock threads
Almost all of other Dave’s posts bash Brock or insult you. Damn I try to avoid the threads on people I can’t stand I don’t actively go on them just for the sake of it, that’s why I don’t even bother with Herschel Walker threads anymore.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
I'm actually looking forward to and will be rooting for Walker.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Exhibit 109736244
That jay either misses or doesn’t understand my point and try’s to assign his own small minded interpretation of what I am really saying.
Yawn.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
Wow, now that I have read all of your posts...
I really realize how much of a clique you Brocksuckers are on this site.
God forbid that anybody else have a differing opinion and then stand up your attacks on me. Because that person obviously can’t understand what seems so aparent to “fans” of his. Is it possible, just possible that the Brocksucker clique here is just a little biased toward their idol? It’s amazing the lack to true analytical thinking that goes on in that group.
Boo-hoo boys. Keep acting like Lindsey Lohan in Mean Girls.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
Insomnia...
From my point of view:
You say I have blind hate: Wrong
I have always said I will be the first to be impressed when/IF Brock puts on a string of victories. I have also defended him in steriod debates. Is that the act of someone who hates Brock? I just don’t give him the credit that he hasn’t earned yet.
You say I insult you guys unprovoked: Wrong
I only dish back what I am served
You say I don’t know wrestling: Wrong
Turns out most of you don’t know wrestling beyond what you have read. Puckhead, you might. you have said a few things that sound like you have rolled. Maybe just retyping something you have read but something sounds right…just in the syntax of what you are saying.
You say I don’t know what it’s like to compete: Wrong
Turns out most of you don’t know what it’s like to compete
You say I am ignorant and don’t watch the fights: Wrong
I have watched EVERY SINGLE MMA event I can for the last 8-8.5 years. I can evaluate just as well as you guys can. I believe that Cain is the best of the upcoming crop based on his aggressiveness, his ability to shake off a square punch, and general athleticism. Not saying he is even top 10 yet, but I BELIEVE he shows the highest ceiling of the new wave of contenders…that’s not on any record book or score sheet.
You say that I don’t like Brock because he is just making money: Wrong
I don’t like the UFC for fast tracking him to the title in order to line their pockets. If other sports did this the Yankees would be in EVERY World Series, the Cowboys would be in EVERY Superbowl, and the Habs would be in EVERY Stanley Cup Finals…against the oldtimers team for that matter. It degrades the legitimacy of the sport…even though Brock won. Serra did. ANYTHING can happen if you are given the shot.
You guys say I don’t uses facts: Wrong
I always back up my arguments with tangible proof. Such as history, circumstances, and records (speaking of which…) Turns out, you guys say that things are obvious, and they you just can’t believe I can’t see what you see (hardly factual evidence)
You say records mean nothing when ranking a fighter: Wrong
They do, they just do. A guy that loses to fighters just isn’t as good as a guy that wins against those same fighters.
You say I twist your words: Wrong
You say stuff like “Brock will never be legit in Dave’s eyes”. How many times to I have to type….I will give him credit when/IF he earns it. This is just a small example of how OFTEN you guys type " Dave thinks…." You can’t speak for me, period. When you do, you are more often misquoting me or are trying to expand on more that what I actually said.
You say I run from arguments: Wrong
Have you ever met anybody who will debate with you more that I will? Have you?
I’ll tell you what gets old. Me debating with you only to be ripped on, wrongly might I add (as stated above), for having a strong opinion and being willing to debate it. It’s an internet forum….that’s what you are supposed to do here.
On that note, Puckhead, you asked who has faced better competition over the most recent fights than Brock and who has ever won a title as fast as Brock. Good questions. My answers:
“who has faced better competition over the most recent fights than Brock”
1) Nog: Same record over their most recent fights against better comp. This is just over their most recent fights, not back when he was schooling everyone (‘cept Fedor) back in the day. Once again, BL and Nog both have a loss to Mir and wins over Randy and Herring (not that a win over Herring or Randy is that great anymore but it shows what they do apples to apples). Then, Brock has wins over Mir and Kim…Nog has wins over Barnett and Sylvia. This seems easy to me. " But Nog didn’t look good in those fights." He looked great schooling Sivlia and Herring after taking an early beating standing (sorry he is a BJJ guy that’s what happens when they stand) then he put them in the hurt locker and won. Puckhead, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE CONFRONTATIONAL…but nobody, and I mean nobody has contested this in an airtight fashion once.
2) JDS: Crocop, even now. Yeah less likely to win but he still issues beatings. Never fun to fight him I’m sure. Yvel, a more legit version of Herring. Struve, looks good. Werdum. I have him as better than Mir. This seems pretty straight forward to me also.
3)Werdum. When he was in the UFC clearly got passed over for a title shot to Lesnar who at the time had a loss to Mir and win over Herring (BFD).
Which leads me to you second question:
“who has ever won a title as fast as Brock”
Well Randy did. He won the title in 4 fights. The only difference is that he had to earn his shot by making his first two look amateurish (winning BOTH) and then schooling a phenom named Vitor something or other. Brock got his title shot based on his ability to sell tickets. Which is NOT an indicator of MMA ability. If Brock couldn’t sell tickets he would be well…Bobby Lashley ( can’t tell if Lesnar is any faster or stronger than Lesnar…it can’t be proved) and have to earn his shots by fighting bums first. No tickets no title shot. So his ability to get the title shot is what will never be equaled again as almost all fighter now must earn their title shot. The amazing thing is how fast he got a shot not that he won it. Ask JDS and Verdum what they think about Brock getting a title shot with a 1-1 record against Mir and Herring.
Anyway, just wanted to say that you guys (and you know who you are) are pretty self righteous about how you talk to anybody who disagrees with you on Brock’s resume. I do give it back and I do take all comers with guns a blazin’ but it’s not like you don’t ask for it the way you talk to me.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
Against Vitor something or other?? Is that supposed to be a joke or did you...
Just let the cat out of the bag that you get all your info off wiki and other mma sites?? You obviously did not read the post I wrote to you the other day Dave and shame on you for not reading it and for understanding what I was trying to say to you. I think you won’t be happy till you piss everyone completly off. Of course you have good points and make them well but the way you are going about things is not doing you any favours. Why can’t you make your posts more generalised and say IN MY OPINION or something instead of posting an essay full of regurgitated comments every fucking day. There are plenty of guys (myself included) that just came on this site to talk shit, mock fighters and posters cause they thought “Fuck it, it’s only the internet and no one knows me anyway!!” , but soon find that they have logged onto the wrong site and that the people here are loyal learned fans that respect each other(90% anyway) and each others opinions. I like you was not in anyones good books here on mania but when given a second chance to participate in intelligent conversations, instead of just arguing with everyone like you seem to do, I was pleasantly suprised at how genuine these guys are and glad that I realised what A DICK I was being!!!! As one poster told me when I was going against the grain like you are, STFU or GTFO!!!!
Do you realise that your points would prob be very well made without all the bs you wrap your points up in?? Just chillax a bit dude and remember that most of the ‘click’ that you talk about here on Mania know each other years, meet up for events, have actual relationships(NOT HOMO!!) outside of this site so maybe your burning all your bridges with your constant attacks on people. I, along with others was given the opp to meet up for an upcoming UFC event , unfortunatly I can’t afford to go but was grateful for the invite from a bunch of guys that don’t even know me, do you ever think you will be able to avail of open invites from the guys on this site the way you rub people up the wrong way?? Highly unlikely my friend unless the invite you recieve is the same as Al pacino did in the end of Donnie Brasco!!!!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Striker man Werdum?
The man is a solid all around fighter for sure, tough as nails to but besides his JJ he is no real threat to any top fighter. I think Mir would beat him but thats just my opinion as I put him and GG two ADCC champions around the same on the ground though Werdum may have better standup putting him above GG as far as all around MMA skills and was the difference in their fight. Comparing Lashley to Brock just because of the WWE is ignorant on your part as they are two different fighters and there no doubt who the better athlete and wrestler is by a mile that being Brock even Lashley would admit that.
Out of the guys you named one lost to Mir and the other to JDS as of late and Brock won all three and JDS thats a good one Dave!! JDS is on a roll. Yvel being a Herring? I don’t think so I think he’s a better, tougher version of Kongo herring is a tough mother fuck$r but his striking game is no were close to Yvel. But like I said striker these guys you mentioned are all respected fighters in MMA and Brock is right there in the mix with the top guys.
Honestly I think you need to let the WWE thing go Striker he got a shot as soon as he did because when he first came in he wanted to know if he was able to fight against the best right away otherwise he might of stayed in the WWE if he was unable to hang with the best much like he did in football were he would of been a 3-4 year developmental player. First fight in the UFC yeah he lost but his potential strengths were showcased very much so and Randy wanted to fight Brock with less experience under his belt while he could, Randy is a smart man and seen Brocks potential and his best chance at beating Brock was early in Brocks career and we all know how that turned out.
Anyway Striker please don’t bring up the WWE thing anymore we all know he did the WWE thing but I think we are all intelligent enough to understand the WWE was just entertainment and has nothing to do with his abilities in MMA? Yes he might be a bigger draw than a guy jsut working his way up like Carwin or Rogers for example but then again it also came down to Dana giving Brock one shot in the UFC like Brock wanted, after Dana spoke to Brocks trainers he decided to give Brock a chance even though he didn’t think Brock would do as well as he did but after his first fight many perspectives changed.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
Wasn't LAshley offerd....
an opportunity to fight Fedor or some other big names and turned his back to the offers?
Lashley knows he's not a Brock
Lashley wants to improve as a fighter though I think he’s going at it two slow he doesn’t want to be used as a punching bag against elite fighters. Just because he’s from the WWE he understands he’s not a Brock and though M1 and SF might of thought the Americans would be dumb enough to believe this Lashley knows better.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
You guys are hilarious. You rehash old arguements and bring absolutely nothing new to the debate. And for Jay to think I’m DAve is just plain rediculous.
Don't think feel
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 22, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
You're right bigbadbunbun
You aren’t strikerdave. He knows how to spell words like “rediculous”.
Can’t say I minded the rant Dave, I don’t think I saw any direct attacks in this one. Just stop with the WWF stuff and talk about the facts. He was given a title shot because he sells tickets. You would have been all over him if he was fighting cans, so I see nothing wrong with him fighting the best available fighters. He started the sport and said right away he doesn’t want to nor have the time to ‘lashley’ his way to legitimacy.
Either way you would have called him out for either fighting cans or leap frogging his way to a title shot, just turns out you are bitchin’ about the latter.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Remember how Bam Bam did in the cage??
Not that he had any chance the way Kimo was holding the cage but not all wrestlers are on the same level as Puck has pointed out. Broc is just a unique guy and few and far between. I wonder how Goldberg would do in a real fight with Broc, that i’d love to see…lol
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
I was just noting it because...
Strikedave was saying he, Lashley, has to earn his dues fighting bums. If I read his post correctly. I was not insuating that Lashley is anywhere near Brock’s talent level, just noting that he had the opportunity to go directly to the top,if wanted. He made the choice to stay at the bottom of the talent pool and to agree with Puck, I think he is going way to slow in his choice of opponent talent.
StrikerDave: I’m sure the rest of the legit sports world is dumbfounded by this.
That statement implies that you consider Brock illegitimate. He has a better resume after 5 fights than any fighter anywhere, including wins over two former HW champions. If you don’t like Brock because of his personality, that’s your right. A lot of people don’t like him. If you think Brock didn’t deserve his title shot so soon, then argue that point.
But to lump him in with the internet street-fighting sensation Kimbo Slice (who is now working to become a legit fighter) is absurd. Brock has never asked for an easy fight and never been fed a washed-up has-been with a recognizable name. Brock is far more accomplished than any of this crop of up-and-coming HWs, including Cain. To say he is not a legitimate fighter is beyond stupid, and when you make stupid statements like that you will get called out on them.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
I call shinanigans
Its bs the guy wasnt sick and had a MIRACLE happen and it cleared up in a month. No way… I think hes just dodging a game heavey handed slugger.
He seemed too “SINCERE” in his speech.
And what the heck is wrong with canadian health care… I suppose if you have tons of $$$ you wanna be where your not treated equal.
I hope some one smashes him…
I SMELL BULLSHIT
If you listen carefully his answers are strange and Danna White who already knew the whole story was watching Broke like (Please don’t let something slip) watch him, he is staring at Brock damn near the whole time. I have seen a thousand videos with Danna & he never just stared at a fighter like that…….. he looks like a mafia boss staring at somebody who better not slip on there story…….I don’t have a clue about the truth but i fell this is a BIG PILE OF BULLSHIT……
Smells honest to me.
I have treated dozens of sick patients in the hospital with diverticulitis. Generally, if someone develops a perforation and recovers, surgery is recommended to prevent recurrences, which can be life-threatening. However, if this was his first case of diverticulitis and he recovered rapidly and fully with IV antibiotics alone, and if there is no significant evidence of inflammation or diverticuli on a follow-up CT scan and colonoscopy, it is hard to advise surgery, which has it’s own risks. Brock was extremely healthy prior to the illness, so a quick recovery is not unreasonable. However, if he has further episodes of diverticulitis, surgery will be recommended to remove the diseased portion of his colon.
First off Maybe Brock thinks it's a Miracle but really it's not common what he had at his age
He had something doctors mainly had records on that old peaple get and old peaple don’t heal. The fact is how he got it is a mystery that many tried bring up roids and that was put to rest by a doctor, I think Brock either drank some bad shit or ate some bad sh^t being a hunter and eating wild game it’s very possible but who really knows. Maybe Dana lied about how bad it really was and had Brock cover his tracks, maybe Brock had a nervous break down, maybe this or that or just maybe it’s the truth and Dana was nervous that Brock would say something stupid like he did after 100?
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
nah, it’s pretty obvious knowing how Dana rolls. He clearly wanted this to be a big story like Brock was about to die and came back to MMA after 5 years of abscence. I do think it’s pretty weird and disgusting how he sits right by Brock? what did he have to do with it and why was he even there. Ridiculous how they’re still going to crown an interim champ too, even now that Brock’s back, they bank so hard on Mir getting a Brock fight again!
fresh like uhh.
Brocks third world country
www.huffingtonpost.com/…/the-uninsured-line-up-for_b_245705.html
Sh*t happens in every ER at least we don’t have to pay huge $$$$.
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