Jake Shields joins Chuck Liddell as coach on TUF 11
by Jesse Holland on Jan 21, 2010 9:54 AM EST
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Jake Shields may be the Strikeforce middleweight champion, but that won't stop him from crossing the promotional border to help out former light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell as an assistant coach on the eleventh season of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF).
The grappling phenom is currently under consideration for an April 16 title defense against Octagon exile Dan Henderson, though Shields cautions that fight has not yet been signed, prompting him to take the TUF opportunity.
And if a bout with Hendo does come to fruition, where better to hone your craft than Las vegas, the fighting capital of the world?
From Shields (courtesy of MMAWeekly):
"I'm still not sure if this Hendo fight is happening, so I figured this would be a good opportunity. Chuck is a great training partner and (there is) lots of great training in Vegas."
TUF 11 will debut on March 31, 2010, and feature a 16-man roster of middleweights vying for a "six-figure contract" under the tutelage of former TUF Coaches and bitter rivals Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz.
Keep it locked in to MMAmania.com for more information and details on the TUF 11 roster as they become available.
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As if Dana would let a UFC fighter go help out Strikeforce guys.....
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Problems is Dana’s contracts wouldn’t allow it. Scott Coker signs his fighters to non-exclusive deals
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
And thats why we will never see Fedor in the UFC imo, shit like this, why the bloody hell....
can’t Dana take a leaf out of Cokers book and let the fighters feel like they have a life outside of the UFC, you prob have to wipe your hole with UFC toilet paper if your under contract!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
From a business point its just stupid. Why let your fighters go elsewhere when they could be fighing on your card? Why risk Fedor beating someone then never fighting with you again? I want Fedor to fight in UFC but its not going to happen unless he signs a UFC exclusive contract.
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck the UFC exclusive bollocks.....
Co-promote, win win all round, and until Dana realises that, we are never going to see the fights that actually determine who the best fighters in the world are.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Without the UFC exclusive contracts
MMA would be awesome. No matches we couldn’t see.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Yeah, just like Mayweather vs Pacquiao....
Having a single promotion allows us to see great fights anyway, would you imagine a contract hold out on fights like Ortiz/Liddell, BJ/GSP, GSP/Hughes, and many other great fights we have been able to see this far.
Copromoting does not help the UFC, it helps strikeforce and M1 to grow up as a business and get fans. In my opinion exclusive contracts are better for fighters, they have a guaranteed number of fights that they will get a base salary for and bonuses if they win. copromotion also leads to the possibility of fightcards with only one good fight, much like boxing, with constant negotiation and fighting for salaries it would be impossible to get many other good fights on the card, Affliction tried and failed for that reason.
Just one superbowl type event once a year as other posters have alluded to would be fucking mint!!
Thats not asking to much and would give us the opportunity to see who is really the best in the world and not just in their own companies.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
FMX
You, like others in this thread, don’t understand what I mean.
I don’t care about how this helps or hurts the UFC bottom line. Of course co-promotion only helps the organizations that don’t have a ton of fighters. No contract the UFC signs with fighters has a guaranteed number of fights. They can/will cut people at any time. If you sign a six fight contract with the UFC, it doesn’t mean you are guaranteed to get six fights in the UFC. It guarantees that you won’t fight anywhere else until you have fought for Zuffa six times, if they don’t cut you first.
Affliction didn’t fail because of co-promo. They failed because they set out in this business all wrong. They over paid their fighters and promoted their company wrong. Also Barnett causing that show to cancel killed them. I’m not talking about cross-promo all the time. I mean a couple of events a year, like tkkpal says.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Don’t know how its a win win all around. If UFC co-promotes someone else is getting half the pie. Co-promotion only works with small time orgs that need help with the production,fighters etc. Do you think the UFC needs help? They can do over a million ppv buys without co-promotion.
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't realise you were on the UFC pay-roll buddy....
But to the real fans who want nothing to do with the political side of things, it would be awesome to see the fights people debate over every day but never get a chance to see it due to greedy bastards like Dana multi-millionaire White!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Exactly pal
I don’t give a fuck about which greasy organization gets the proceeds from these athletes. Without the UFC’s contracts, anyone could fight whoever they want, whenever they want. PERFECT scenario.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Dream match-ups are nice to wish for, but from a business perspective the UFC has ZERO incentive to cross-promote. They have the majority of the top fighters in every weight class and can put on one great card after another without getting guys from SF, Dream or anywhere else.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
True
It isn’t in their best interest to help the fans. I know that. I am speaking from my point of view. UFC is the only thing stopping us from seeing any fight we want. They are the only thing left stopping a globalized MMA organization. Every other organization is willing to cross-promo.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I hear ya...just doesn't seem worth it to me
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
agreed....we watch because of the production, storylines, and drama just as much as for the fights themselves
The production is second to none…imo anyways
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
You speak the truth P-dub..
But the problem is nobody gives a fuck about 90% of fighters imo, the select few that people want to see fight in these dream match-ups can’t due to these stupid contracts, so whats the point in them if it robs us of the real answers of who would actually beat who?? The fucking thing sucks imo.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
It's not a "win win all around!"
It’d be a win win for smaller organizations that could gain recognition off off co promotion with the UFC, but as far as the UFC is concerned, they don’t need co promotion. Other than a few fighters (who will be in the UFC by years end) what would the UFC gain by co promotion? they are already the #1 mma organization, they make money hand over fist and have 99% of the top fighters in the world!
kev go to the Montreal thread. We need answers.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
We aren't talking about how this would effect the UFC
We are talking about the fans.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
It got moved to the eighth I thought you might be able to make it now?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
What?
I don’t see anything unusual.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
me?
just chatting with kev re montreal
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
On your wall or something?
I only see you guys discussing movies.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
really? kev just wrote on my wall and I responded...weird
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
check my profile..its right at the top
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
is there a MMAMania. FB group im not aware of?
I wanna see Ashley Sahffer on your TIT
AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH
how it would effect the fans
yes yes we all want fedor vs lesnar as well as numerous other dream matchups that we cant see now. I think were failing to see why its also a postive for the fans not to get these match-ups. (at least not right away.)
1st — Strikeforce having guys like fedor, diaz, hendo.. helps them to be legitimate. If the average fan who dosnt watch every single event new that fedor vs lesnar would be at some year end superbowl fight then they probably wouldnt consider the other strikeforce cards as big of a deal. I know that reguardless of what match-ups i cant see im more intrigued by the competition between the orginizations. I want there to be fighter that the ufc cant have. I want there to be multiple orginizations that have some of the best fighters in the world. remember even a 6 fight contract only takes up a couple years of a top fighters career and if they have cleaned out there division then they can jump to the other orginization (especially if the #2 can offer competitve pay which recently strikeforce has been able to) and have 5 new match-ups lined up that people like us have been clammering to see. i like knowing that UFC has competition out there. strikeforce needs to have fighters that we have to tune into there programming to see.
2nd If co promotion (even just once a year) would benefit the smaller orginizations resulting in a loss of money for UFC then those losses are simply passes down to the fighters we love.
Co-promotion isnt the only way to see these fights. the better and more even the competiotion gets then the more fighters we will see going to the #2 orginization ie fedor diaz and hendo. Competion creates bidding wars for the top talent which means they get better contracts. Can you imagine the build up if we get Lesnar vs fedor finally 2 or 3 years from now as apposed to 6 months ago. Its ok to wait and its also ok not to get every single match up we want. Todays society is all about instant gratification and we forget that sometimes its better to wait for something. its a good thing when dana’s checkbook dosnt get him everything he wants. Co-promotion is a way around that i just dont see it being an absolute positive for the fans.
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jan 21, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Kev
The UFC over and over gives us great fight and there are only a hand few of figthers we would like to see fight in the UFC. The UFC has structure and the fans are a huge influence in what fight we get to see and that is a huge reason the UFC is the #1 organization in the world.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
funny though because even without a champ coaching TUF, a title fight is still getting held up
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
From the desk of Jake Shields
Remember guys, in TUF elimination fights you only have to hold a guy down for 10 minutes to get the win, not 15.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
LOL P-Dub go look at Shields record. He goes the distance with a guy like Mayhem that is extremely hard to tap and you think all he does is lay and pray. Half of his wins are tap out or ko and hes a lay and pray guy?
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Another thing. Shields is a WW fighting at MW. Think about it. Before Mayhem the guy finished 8 guys in a row.
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Wow someone actually talking sense in a Jake Shields thread
This is a rare thing, since the Mayhem fight it’s been the in-thing to compare Shields to lay and pray wrestlers who never finish fights. I wouldn’t be surprised if half of Jake’s critics only ever saw that fight.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
he has NO KO's but a few TKO's...but I see your point...I still don't like Shields but I see your point
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not a fan of Shields either. I’m just not a fan of blind hate lol
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Who has Shields beat?
Why is he ranked so high without fighting anyone else in the top 10?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Semtex Carlos Condit Yushin Okami Robbie Lawlor not to meantion hes won 11 in a row
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
true...but why do you assume I hate Shields...I don't like his attitude, I think he's all talk about fighting the best, he's a boring fighter to watch, and he isn't marketable, but I don't hate him
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
13**
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Mac never said it was you. P-Dub is the one bring all the blind hate
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Oh wow… He beat mach Sakurai too didn’t know that
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
his list of wins is impressive thats for sure...a lot of top 10's but no top 5's...the Okami win is certainly impressive though
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
He hasn't signed to fight Hendo yet
Because he knows his bubble is about to burst.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Hendo is a natural light heavy amd shields is naturally a ww do the math
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Natural LHW?
Have you seen the size of Hendo? He wasn’t cutting weight to fight LHW, he is a natural MW.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Natural means its what he walks around at. Not cutting. Cutting isn’t natural
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Every single fighter cuts
Do you think Shields walks around at 170? If Hendo is a natural LHW, Shields is a natural MW
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Shields is inbetween technically hes a mw but hendo still has a good 20 lbs on him naturally
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
lol and not every fighter cuts
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Who doesn't?
99.9% of the fighters (that aren’t small HW) do.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
20 pounds?
Is that all that is holding Shields back? Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them. Don’t forget Hendo is going to have to cut weight to make MW, that should be an advantage for Shields. Hendo is going to be drained, since he has to cut so much according to you. Shields is about to be exposed as average, you really don’t have a leg to stand on
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
jay hes a ww he will get beat by hendo. you have no idea what im talking about do you
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
and what your saying is bj was exposed because he lost to Machida at LHW?
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
3 weight classes above his walk around weight
If Shields doesn’t like fighting MW’s he should stop ducking the UFC.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
LOL ducking. He’s got a contract to finish. He already stated he wants in the UFC when his contract is done. and about BJ ill change situation. In your eyes BJ was exposed because he lost to GSP at WW.
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
BJ proved he is great by beating all of the top fighters in LW
Shields can’t claim the same. Take my quote out of your sig. you piece of shit. You haven’t earned the right to quote me.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Relax, I was just taking an easy cheap shot at the guy. I actually enjoyed the Mayhem fight, and not just because I hate Mayhem for being a more douchey and less funny version of Rampage.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
for my reason's listed above jake deserves a cheap shot every now and then
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Jake gets cheap shots in every thread
It got boring a long time ago.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Ok
Semtex-custom made for one-dimensional ground fighters
Condit-LOL. Just like Shields, looked good fighting inferior competition.
Okami is his best win ever. 4 years ago.
Lawlor isn’t top 10 and wasn’t when Shields fought him.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Shields will be in UFC and he will fight for title. Just because he doesn’t have ko power doesn’t mean he isnt a good fighter
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
true...but I see him losing to Fitch, KOS, Alves, BJ, and of course GSP
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Plus anyone with good TDD
I could kill Shields in a boxing match. Anyone who can keep the fight on the feet will beat him. EVERYONE.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
his striking is like Diego's without kicks, or any kind of speed...Jake strikes like a stick figure
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
No question his striking is weak. But he can take down a game MW whats stopping him from taking down a game WW?
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him.
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
He won't be taking any of the good UFC wrestlers down
All that leaves him with is KO losses.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
He hasn’t been KO’s in 26 fights and only once ever. Semtex couldn’t KO him and he’s prolly the best striker at WW
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
maybe but I think alves would KO daley
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
With no TDD
Try to read what I said. Is Semtex a good wrestler now?
Stupid.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Jay he’s a base wrestler its where he started
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
And he sucks at it
His take downs are a joke. Do you think he would get the good wrestlers down? His wrestling is garbage. If he goes to the UFC he will be KO’d by anyone with good TDD.
There’s probably 12-15 WW in the UFC that would stuff his TD’s and KO him in the first round.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
How many takedowns you seen him attempt? He’s a great striker why would he want the fight on the mat?
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Who are you talking about?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Semtex?
His ground game and TDD is garbage. He must have been a really bad wrestler, because his grappling is atrocious.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I cant debate with you anymore jay you obviously can’t be proven wrong.
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Dan Henderson said it best
British people cant wrestle
I wanna see Ashley Sahffer on your TIT
AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH
Wrestling is a weakness for British fighters but that was a generalisation from Hendo
Wilks is a good wrestler and took all of Team US down easily, he gave Brown some problems on the ground as well even after he got rocked by that sick flying knee. Pearson is a good grappler as well. Semtex and Hardy have both improved their TDD and even Bisping’s wrestling is getting better.
The fact that we don’t do wrestling in school is always going to put British fighters at a disadvantage and the wrestling clubs in this country aren’t that great but British fighters aren’t forced to stay in the UK to train and can pick up new skills. Look at GSP, he did no high school or college wrestling and he’s now the best wrestler in MMA. I’m not saying any British fighter will get that good but if they train at the right camp and bring in quality wrestlers from abroad then they can pick up wrestling.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
i know David, I was just bustin balls
its jsut a generalization
I wanna see Ashley Sahffer on your TIT
AMERICA.....FUCK YEAH
Haha I'll let you off
Boo Hendo for making generalisations about British fighters, but I can’t stay too mad at him after he KO’d Bisping (even if it did cost me the chance to see Andy at 105).
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Dude.
If I’m wrong prove it. That’s how to prove me wrong.
Shields is brutal. He won’t get any of the good UFC WW’s to the ground. He will be left standing with these dudes. I can beat Shields standing. He can’t beat anyone in the top 10 in the UFC, in any weight category.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
If he signs for UFC at MW
It’ll be complete crap. More ducking as he won’t fight any of the AKA heads. So just don’t let him sign cause they’ll prob pad his record and more fights being avoided
He can't beat anyone in the top 6 WW division
Don’t try to defend him. He’s calling out GSP every time a Mic is near his face, yet he would get crushed by Matt Hughes.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
You know Jay GSP has openly stated that he thinks Shields would be his greatest test at WW
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
As well as Fitch, Alves, Hardy, Serra
etc. etc.
He’s a nice guy with scripted responses. Do you think he is going to say what he feels? He says this about every fighter in his weight class.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Scripted? You dont even know where when he said it lol your points have no basis in any reality other than your own.
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Everything he says is planned
I love GSP, but he is a robot. He never speaks his mind. He says what is PC. Trust me, he isn’t worried about one-dimensional grapplers with no TD’s. What is Shields going to do to GSP?
That fight would never go to the ground and Shields punches like a school girl.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
a robot programmed to destroy....
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
D'you think I'm defending him?
I don’t think he’d get anywhere near GSP or Alves to name a few
I’m just saying if he does sign it’ll lead to a worse situation that already exists in UFC. Plus he won’t fight Rumble either. Thats why I don’t want him to signas a WW
I wasn't answering you Kev.
I know what you meant. That post was aimed at bigbadbunbun.
Sorry for the crappy post placement.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Cool beans
Was wondering how you could of misunderstood it, just thought you were stoned or something :P
he'll fight Rumble...Rumble isn't AKA ...Rumble and Jake do train together at times but so do Rumble and KOS
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I thought they train regularly?
I know Rumble isn’t at AKA, but Shileds wouldn’t train with coming up to the Kos fight so I thought they were buddies or what ever
I know
But because he can’t throw a punch means he isn’t a good fighter. He is a good grappler, nothing more, nothing less.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Demian Maia can't strike either, doesn't mean that he sucks
As long as Shields can get a fight to the ground and avoid the striking then he has a chance, same as Semtex is always dangerous if he can keep a fight standing. They’ve both beaten quality fighters and whilst GSP is too well rounded I wouldn’t be surprised if either of them beat other top ranked WWs either.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
I'll be back
I’m going somewhere for a minute. This debate isn’t over David
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
debating Shields with Dave is as pointless as debating Tito with RoB
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think Shields is a dynamic, one dimensional jits fighter. I give him credit for all of his accomplishments. However, his stand up is so lacking that it is difficult to picture him getting a victory vs. a top 5 fighter. Just my 2 cents.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
agreed...but how can someone be dynamic AND on-dimensional...haha
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Maia? UFC Rampage? Old Tito? Hughes? Royce Gracie?
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
dying breed
Maia is a prime example of what happens when you go to the well once to often.
Hughes has tried to strike he just isn’t a world class striker because of his wrestling posture he can’t grow out of.
"He wants to get in close and use that reach advantage" - Mike Goldberg
"Half of this game is 90% Mental" - Tim Sylvia
"I have two words for you... Destiny" - Diego Sanchez.
Anyone interested in a dumbest MMA quote of all time poll?
by Bigger Zino on Jan 21, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dying breed but my point still stands. Shields is a great, one dimensional fighter.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
OJR Semtex is a top five fighter and Shields already beat him. Style wise I think Shields could beat any ww not named GSP
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Semtex is a great striker. That's it. You can't convince me otherwise until I see his GG.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think Shields is a dynamic, one dimensional jits fighter. I give him credit for all of his accomplishments. However, his stand up is so lacking that it is difficult to picture him getting a victory vs. a top 5 fighter. Just my 2 cents.
Semtex is a top 5 fighter
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
In your opinion he is a top 5 fighter. Your opinion does not equal fact.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He wasn't top 5 when they fought
He only broke into the top 10 recently. Semtex that is.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Semtex looks great but I need to see more. That's all.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
He's looked good lately
But people have been standing with him-on purpose. He’ll be sorted out soon.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
MMA weekly have him at #5 WW in the world and sherdog has him at 8
so hes either top five or borderline top five
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
That is VERY surprising.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Yeah it really is.
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
That will change when he starts fighting UFC guys
He won’t be in the top five when he fights a real top 5 WW.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Sure thing jay and if he beats GSP he wont be a real champ because GSP doesnt weigh 20 lbs more than him
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
We'll never have to worry about that will we?
Shields wouldn’t stand a chance.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
So you stand behind what you said? You’re only a real champ if you beat guys 20 lbs heavier than you?
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
If someone is able to fight in your division
And you lost because the other dude was able to cut more weight than you, you probably weren’t a dominant champion to begin with. Get what I mean? Is your name StrikerDave, you think the same way.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Brock doesn't have anyone to fight that is twenty pounds heavier than him
Lyoto beat Thiago Silva who is twenty pounds heavier than him. Anderson Silva beat Marquardt who is twenty pounds heavier than him. And Matt Hughes was the biggest guy in the division when he was champ.
Stupid sig.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I know its stupid you said it lol.
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
but ill revise it for your sake
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I just debunked your foot note beneath your sig
And yet you have nothing to say about it. You just got relegated to the level of StrikerDave. Have a nice day.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
lol you really must like this strikerdave guy all you do is talk about him over and over again. Did you go on a date and then get butt hurt?
Don't think feel
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Keep avoiding the subject.
StrikerDave is a know-it-all. You can see why I confuse you guys. This isn’t a dating site, so stop talking about butt sex with men.
Talk MMA.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
SD is Skeletor to Jay's He-man, Moriarty to his Holmes, Lex Luthor to his Superman, etc., etc.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
i thought the real Zack played that role...
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
Nothing going on on FB
The retarded Zack is on that list, Mac.
It’s not a short list.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
So you are telling me that he has a arch-nemisis on a online blog. lol wow thats funny
Don't think feel
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
If you take everything you read here seriously
You aren’t going to like it here. Learn what is fun and what is serious.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
You are the one getting worked up i think its funny. You need to chill out and go smoke another one. But not too big i don’t want you all incoherent
Don't think feel
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
FUCK
We send our garbage to BE. They aren’t supposed to send their garbage to us.
Hey bigbadbunbun, you should go check out MMAJunkie.com That’s sites sweet. Join their ranks.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
No, I can't be the only Shields fan
Stay big bad bunbun, fight the good fight defending Jake Shields.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
If he's too small for MW
Maybe he should have gone to the UFC a long time ago. Instead of signing 20 fight contracts with EXC he should have manned up and went to fight Hughes. Instead of hiding in weak promotions fighting guys like Condit.
If he’s too small to beat MW’s at SF, he should go back to WW and get subbed by Nick. Don’t make excuses for the guy because he moved up in weight to duck good competition. Now that Hendo is their to take his belt he is too small?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Like before you are clearly missing my point then talking pointless stuff that has no merit in what we were discussing. Smoke another one and maybe your fried brain will straighten out.
Don't think feel
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Good come back
What is your point?
You said Shields is too small to beat Hendo, I said go back to fight the guys his size. Then I told you why he won’t go there. He is stuck in two weight divisions he isn’t top 5 in. What is there to discuss? Unless I have swayed you into believing Shields is about to be exposed?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
How do you know I puff?
I haven’t seen your handle on this site before. You are an old troll with a new handle aren’t you? This has to be FuckerDave.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Or is it the darkness????
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
No im new to this got kicked out of bloody elbow for saying something unsavory to mr Brookhouse. And seriously you are really sad more i think about it
Don't think feel
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Well I'm not really worried about what you think, now am I?
You don’t seem to bright to me, so I won’t lose any sleep knowing some dude is sad for me.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Didnt think you would ignorance is bliss
Don't think feel
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Good day, sir.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
LOL how do i know you puff. Prolly because you talk like a stoner that can’t remember what they said 2 minutes ago. I smoke its one thing to get high its another to get baked all day and talk smack at an online blog
Don't think feel
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
"ignorance is bliss"
Yeah maybe so until your ignorance gets you kicked off a blog site.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
OJ
I know..I think dynamic is synonymous with multi-skilled though
dynamic -" Of a dynamic nature; variable or constantly changing nature"
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
McArthur!!!!!! Fuck Ya!!!!
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
by McArthur... on Jan 21, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
(from Greek δυναμικός – dynamikos “powerful”, from δύναμις – dynamis “power”)
WAR WIKIPEDIA
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Dictionary.com
dy⋅nam⋅ic /daɪˈnæmɪk/
Pronunciation [dahy-nam-ik]
–adjective Also, dy⋅nam⋅i⋅cal.
1. pertaining to or characterized by energy or effective action;
Example : Shields is an effective jits fighter. OR Shields is a dynamic jits fighter.
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
American Dictionaries, Fuck Yeah!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You should, it is yours, I am just borrowing it (no homo).
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
"Jake Shields has the best stand up of anyone I have fought or spared with, you can't land anything on him". Nick Diaz
Nick said Shields had the best stand up of anyone he has faced in or out of cage. “You can’t land anything against Jake, all you get is glancing blows, he slips everything you throw. If it’s kickboxing and you throw hands you eat a big kick, if you are sparing MMA you swing and end up on your back. This guy is so underrated its crazy”
by mixmaster2669 on Jan 21, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well you may be right mix
And we will be able to judge Shields much better win or lose against Henderson were he is as far as a top ten fighter. A win he must be thought as a top five in MW a loss all depends how? This will be the best fighter Shields has faced I jsut don’t see his strength beating Henderson?
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
LMAO! Nick is looking out for his homey. Nothing wrong with loyalty except when its fucking fraudulent!
Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
OK, I'm a Shields and Diaz fan but that made me laugh
To be fair Jake is pretty difficult to hit, if he wasn’t then he’d have been KO’d by the likes of Semtex. However, there’s a lot more to striking in MMA than just being good at avoiding being hit before getting the takedown so I don’t believe Nick for a second when he says things like that. Still, he’s right about Shields being underrated.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Nah, I can admit that Jake isn't perfect I just get tired of all of the regurgitated crap about Jake being overrated and boring in every thread because he didn't finish Mayhem
No debating me on Anderson Silva is pointless. And not just because I’m a nuthugger the man is perfect ;).
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Shields has 13 top 20-30 wins and 6 top ten wins
Jake Shields has 13 top 20-30 wins and 6 top ten wins. If that doesn’t sound like a lot check the record of your favorite fighter. I checked his record last Nov. don’t remember all names…but… Lawler, Okami, Sakurai, Condit, Daley, Thompson, Kikuchi, Mayhem, Verissimo, Pyle etc.
by mixmaster2669 on Jan 21, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad Tito and Hendo arent best friends...
It would be pretty hilarious if Hendo was helping Tito coach then we could see Shields piss himself…
"I have two words for you... Destiny" - Diego Sanchez.
First training session on team Chuck/Shields
Chuck: OK guys this is how you fall safely after being hit on the chin.
Shields: This is how you stall a fight and put jay to sleep.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Most likely...
we’ll barely see Jake on TV. Dana can say he has no control over SPIKE programming all he wants, but a little bit of editing goes along way. The camera men could be asked to shoot around Shields, or the can even cut around him. Sure he’ll be in a few shots, but he won’t be prevalent.
Good for Jake, TUF 11 just got a lot more interesting for me
Now Team Liddell are going to get some quality training, Chuck was a superb striker in his prime and still has a lot that he can teach but BJJ has never been his strength so it’s smart to bring in a top grappler like Shields. Add to that Chuck and Jake’s wrestling experience and it looks good for those in Team Liddell.
Should be a competetive series as Chuck and Tito both take coaching seriously so there won’t be a good coach and a bad coach this time. Seems fairer on the cast to me, as for once they’ll have an equal shot at success.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Yep good pick by Chuck. Much better than Rampage picking that dumbass Tiki.
"Because real champions beat guys 20 pounds heavier than them"-jay.
I guess Brock Lesnar isn't a real champ, nor Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida,
by bigbadbunbun on Jan 21, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Rampage only chose his best mate so they could piss about the whole series
It would have been funny if he hadn’t have “retired” and had that childish war of words with Dana over the A-Team. Rampage showing that he couldn’t give a shit about his trainees really rubbed me the wrong way as well.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
thats true
Hopefully SHields gets KTFO in training on the air it on Spike…
almost worked for bully beatdown on MTV
"He wants to get in close and use that reach advantage" - Mike Goldberg
"Half of this game is 90% Mental" - Tim Sylvia
"I have two words for you... Destiny" - Diego Sanchez.
Anyone interested in a dumbest MMA quote of all time poll?
by Bigger Zino on Jan 21, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Co-promote is retarded
You spend money and time building up a star, then let the guy go make money for a lesser competitor? What sense does that make? Its stupid. And if the fighter loses, all that work building him up, flies out the window. You just wasted a ton of money and a ton of time. Its like being a slave for a lesser company, you do all the work and put in the most, only to have some idiot f it all up. UFC won’t ever co-promote, its bad business.
A fighter should speak for himself eg Fedor, so all this building up a fighter is BS!!
He is either good or not and serves the UFC right if they promote D-bags that lose fights eg Tito!
WAR CO-PROMOTION!!!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
If you think Fedor speaks for himself…please look up M1 Global.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
His records and accomplishments
As well as his skills all speak for themselves. He didn’t mean who does the talking in interviews. Imade Uquit likes WWE promos and chooses his favorite fighters based on their mic skills, by the sounds of things.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I know co-pomotion is bad business
And that’ why they do it now. But for one second, let’s not care about Zuffa’s bottom line. Let’s worry about us the fans.
Zuffa’s NO CROSS-PROMO crap is stopping us from seeing a lot of amazing fights.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I obviously ment a fighters rec should speak for itself, come on now!!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
MM_eh was playing with words, I knew what you meant
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I was clearly joking. I’m not a huge Fedor fan, but he’s the best HW out there…I just don’t think the biggies are as skilled as the smaller fighters. I like F’n with tkkpal also…he can take a joke pretty well.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
I will beat Jake Shields because he came to fight and I came to grapple.
And then I will cook him. Smerdy herd!
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 21, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Why….Why?
this guy is so boring, and such a tool…..NOOOO…
am I the only one that doesnt want fighters to be taught "the leg hump?
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
People that see one fight and know everythig! 13 fight win streak, eight straight TKO's or Subs, then one UD. in an ORG. that doesn't allow ELBOWS
Jake Shields first American to hold SHOOTO Championship, same weight that Anderson Silva and Sakurai held(beat Sak) Won the ROTR Championship 8 man Tourney at 175lbs. Tourney had 7 top 10 fighters WW and MW. Frank Trigg, Anderson Silva,Yushin Okami, Charuto, Condit, Menne, Shields and someone I can’t remember (great fights)
Won the EliteXC Championship, beat Thompson for belt, defended against Daley.
Won Strikeforce Middleweight Champioship, beat top 5 Lawler and top 15 Mayhem at MW, Shields weighs 182lbs and is a MW Champ. Dan Henderson next.
by mixmaster2669 on Jan 21, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
You make him sound like a top 5 guy.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
his accomplishments make him sound like a top 5 guy?
"Matt Hughes and his brother used to pound each other out behind the barn."
-The legendary Mike Goldberg
Yeah, when you put a positive spin on it
I don’t care about what he did in the past though. I know he is a good grappler, but his wrestling and stand up and his ability to keep any of the good WW’s in the UFC down would keep him from beating most of them.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Awesome post
I swear most of Jake’s critics have only seen his fight with Mayhem. He’s clearly beaten and stopped a lot of top guys to win titles in 2 weight classes but because he’s never been in the UFC and didn’t stop Mayhem he sucks and is boring. Yeah right.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
those who complain about cross promo are silly
lets hope a huge tournament like dream is put together…Dana is not stupid, he has to know that if he wants the UFC to be the super bowl, why not HOST the event every year LIKE a super bowl?
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
I say dream I mean dynamite
Vince Wilfork will be Scott Pioli's top offseason priority and will be a Chief.
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson, and make an offer for Boldin
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