UFC Quick Quote: Brock Lesnar looks forward to trilogy match with Frank 'Stalker' Mir
by Nate Lawson on Jan 20, 2010 7:43 PM EST
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"I don't think I beat him as bad as I could. So for me to get my hands on that stalker again... you know, Frank Mir has made it a mission of his life (to get revenge). Frank Mir the stalker. It's been a while since I've had a stalker, but we'll take of that if I ever face him again."
-- Brock Lesnar and Dana White appeared on ESPN today (Jan. 20) to announce the news that the UFC heavyweight champion would be back in action later this year after a severe illness threatened his career in mixed martial arts. However, it was not until the Lesnar press conference later in the day that the champ seemed himself again. The former WWE superstar wasted little time stating how a rubber match with Frank Mir would be perfectly fine by him. In fact, Lesnar feels he could put an even greater hurting on Mir the third time around. That could all happen sooner rather than later -- Lesnar is expected to take on the winner of the heavyweight interim championship match between Mir and Shane Carwin, which is scheduled for UFC 111 on March 27, sometime in spring 2010.
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Now they are saying Lesnar may be ready by late May to fight on the same card as Rampage and Rashad in Vegas… most likely then the winner of Mir Carwin wont be ready, leaving the Nog Cain winner since they will have fought earlier… either way, I cant wait
by PHISH NATION on Jan 20, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Poor Carwin
You have to feel bad for Carwin. He went from having a title fight to having to fight a Frank Mir that has something to fight for and may be on a mission. Frank wants another shot at Brock and I don’t think he will let Carwin stand in the way. I see Mir sub’ing him in the 1st and Brock killing Mir once and forall.
what do you mean poor carwin?
he’ll still be fighting for the interim title, so its not big loss
Mir's changed
Did anyone notice that Mir kind of bigger now? If he comes to the fight with a Brock-body, I think brock will loose big. Because all Brock has is a giants body. Mir is a great fighter.
yea roids can do that to you....and
Lol at Mir is a great fighter. He folds mentally if you can get a solid shot on his chin just once.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 21, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Bigger body makes you slower
Do you understand that bulking up like that makes you slower, not faster? Mir is probably a worse fighter at 265 than he was at 235. Brandon Vera was way too fast for a 235lb Mir, what do you think he’d do to a 265lb Mir.
easy??
i doubt it will be easy this time around, granted i think brock will win but murr is on a mission!
if murr can manage to keep it on the feet i think that’s his best chance , his stand up is not the best in the world , but i think he’s ahead of brock in this area. He won’t catch brock in a sub again , we saw that in the second fight if it goes to the ground its GNP by brock but that’s my opinion
haha
brock has a point…got a feelign though that the third match will be different from the last 2.
by CanadianSensation on Jan 20, 2010 6:17 PM EST reply actions
Different How?
I think Brock absolutely destroys him again, not sure how he can beat him anymore than last fight though…
how do you know. lesnar was wearing some thick clothing so i could not tell.....
if he still has his muscle mass. let me see him in training before i make any decision on lesnar/mir III. i ’ll say mir beats carwin in under 2 minutes with a submission. why strike with the big man. he has to be injury free for the fight to happen sooner than later.
i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 20, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
thick clothing?
In the interview I saw he was wearing a T-shirt
by PSYQO78 on Jan 20, 2010 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
looked like a basic t-shirt to me
he was wearing baggy clothes in those pics released a little while back at the topps signing?
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jan 20, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
well....
highly doubt that brock will be the same, and judging my the improvements in mir’s body what makes you think they will be the same? i never said the outcome would be different, but the fight itself can be much different
by CanadianSensation on Jan 20, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
the 3rd fight has many reasons to be a lot different then either of the 1st 2. If lesnar isnt 100% and mir is stronger then ever then we could see a match-up more even then either of the 1st 2.
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jan 20, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
If a 220lb Couture can neutralize Brock on the Canvas...
If Mir is as smart as he thinks he his, he’ll train like a madman and learn to get back up to his feet when Brock takes him down. Take a page from Couture’s gameplan, just don’t get KTFO. Other than that, I think this week I’m rooting for Brock until he says or does something stupid.
that was a lucky KO. I really put no stock in a misplaced punch that happens to land behind someone’s ear. Also that shot raised serious questions about Brock’s KO power. A shot behind the ear on Couture (who Nog proved has a questionable chin) should be a huge KO, not a rather tame tko due to marshmellow fists.
Brock seems to be more able to knock people over with his punches rather than knock people out. I think this probably comes from poor striking technique, as he clearly has some big power.
"Matt Hughes and his brother used to pound each other out behind the barn."
-The legendary Mike Goldberg
What exactly was Couture’s gameplan? I think anybody realizes it’s a bad idea to be on the bottom against Brock.
yes it does come from poor striking technique and the punch he landed on Couture wasn’t full force or full explosion, he barely even hit him.
fresh like uhh.
ROOOOOBERRRRRTOOOOOO my man!
Couture’s gameplan was to stand with Brock but he spent a lot of time with some 270lb hvywghts on his back neutralzing punches and getting back to his feet…. so gameplan ‘A’ stay on his feet, gameplan ‘B’ if takendown defend while absorbing as little damage as possible and get back to feet…. ‘Comprendo Pendejo’ ?
what up buddy.
It’s comprende i think and don’t call me pendejo, pendejo.
but to be real here for a sec, I knew that was his strategy but isn’t that how anyone would want to fight against Brock? only thing it comes down to is being good enough, i’m just a little tired of hearing about Randy and “gameplans” like he was smart. Mir stated that he wanted to stand with Lesnar before both of their meetings, i doubt he’ll be good enough to keep it there this time but we’ll see.
fresh like uhh.
Then all KO's are "lucky"
Right? Every win is “lucky.”
by MMACrossfire on Jan 20, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
comprend'e' is correctomundo'
‘Yes’ Mir did state he wanted to stand with Brock in gameplan ‘A’, but gameplan ‘B’ was trying to submit Lesnar, he never really tried to nuetralize Lesnar from the ground … he stayed in guard looking for opportunities to submit when he should have taken those opportunites to scramble and stand. IMO he took a lot of punishment for his groundgame strategy… and it’s not only being ‘good enough’ it’s being big n’ strong enough… Buenos noches Cabrone!
The difference is Coutures background vs Mir...
Couture is/was an olympic caliber wrestler. Wheneever you hear guys talking about Couture, Hendo, and Linland they talk about their crazy GORILLA grip that was achieved over years of Grecco. Couture is a master at leverage and staying on his feet. Mir excells at being on his back and fighting on the ground and obtaining his leverage that way. Couture as a wrestler is so much more experienced at getting back to his feet then Mir could ever hope to be, weight advantage aside, it is leverage, explosiveness, and heart(we all knwo Mir’s heart is not on Coutures level). I realize at somepoint all the leverage in the world wont help but comparing Coutures takedown defense and ability to get up to Mir who is more natural on his back and to fight on the ground are 2 completely different skill sets!
As much as i bash couture, much of what you say is right
Mir on the other hand was given his black belt in the locker room because he submitted Timmah. Now i am not questioning Ricardo Pires for giving him his belt or that he doesn’t deserve it but there is a big difference in how far each man has gone in regards to his craft. Olympic alternate is a little bigger deal than Grappler quest competitions.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 21, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
DaMonkey
I know a little something about wrestling… but that doesn’t necessarily make me right… I believe with training and determination, anyone can learn to get back to their feet from guard (except maybe Kongo)… Bisping (I’m not a fan) is a good example of someone coming from a non-grappling background and able to get to their feet from guard.
I agree with you....
What I am saying though is like NNR above me said, How far each one has gone with their craft. Couture was an Olympic hopeful and is legendary for his grip when against the cage. You hardly ever see RAndy get taken to the ground and when he does it is not often that he can get owned down there. His heel in the past was big men(Couture) but he changed that with Timmy, Gonzaga, and Brock (even though he lost, a little to much heel). Mir on the other hand is not legendary for anything. He was an above average, not great, BJJ practioner. No real big tournament wins(anything elite) and always has been a little questionable in the heart dept. That is a big deal when underneath another master at their craft,Brock, who can essentialy take down and hold down anyone at will. His combination of natural size, brute strength, explosive takedowns, and his ability to spin and transition like and as fast as a guy in the LHW division really maybe to much to balance and train for at this point for Mir.
A good wrestler has trained for a large portion of their lives
Those that start training late will most likely never be as good as someone that has done it for a long period of time against competition that is well trained. Yes their is a freak like GSP but he trains with Olympic wrestlers at a fairly young age. Not only does wrestling improve your grappling and balnce in MMA most good wretlers have a endurance advantage over any other style. Wrestling is probally the most fatigueing sport in the world those that are good at it have great endurance.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
UR both RIGHT but....
old thread but gotta’ answer… hasta luego boys after this’…. now that Brock has lost 40lbs and has to rebuild, Mir will stay on top of his training and take Brock to the brink if not beat him…. and this is coming from a guy that dislikes Mir more than Brock!
40 lbs on Brock though brings him to what?
I think he was walking around at like 270 to 280 and cutting down to the what 265 or 260 mark. So if he lost 40 pounds off of 280 he is still walking around at 240. Which I think now, that he is back to normal, he gains a good portion of that weight back in the first month of normal eating and supplements. I think Brock is and will prove to be still; naturally just to strong, overwhelming, and skilled for Mir to do anything off of his back. Brock is just a natural beast, a natural killer, a natural alpha male. Rogan puts it best when he says, " if it was Medevial times Brock would be the biggest warrior, with the biggest sword, on the biggest horse in the center of the battlefield." I am not a fan of either fighter either, but it is to hard to look pasts Brocks physical and wrestling attributes.
He has already gained 30 of the 40 lost pounds
I believe he is around 290 and was down to 250ish and back up to 280 already by summer he will be in shape and his usual weight.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
All the boxing in the world is not going to stop the Freight Train style takedowns of Lesnar!
So Mir is training on having better hands and beefing up! Brock is still circus freak strong, circus freak fast (for a HW), and will be out there with something to prove. He got handled compeltely both foughts, a while he got the W in the first fight by bs, the same thing happened in the second, and it will be more of the same in the 3rd. You can not suddenly just handle Brocks power. I know it will be close to a year and a half since they last fought but I still don’t think you can develop enough power to stop his takedown and wrestling!
yayuh, nice to hear. hope he shows some attitude and slams Frank on his head this time and really finishes him off once and for all.
fresh like uhh.
Yeah at least Frank needs to get by one of the top ranked contenders to get another match
And another proven contender(NOG,JDS,Cain) will be waiting down the road.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
There's no where he can run now. Mir will get trashed by Carwin.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 21, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
That's the fight I want to see...
did anyone else notice how small Brock looked? I mean he needs to gain the weight back plus get ready for a title match does he have enough time? Or Dana is just bigger than I thought
That's what I thought too
Dana looked bigger than Brock but I just thought Dana has been eating a lot of Pink Berry!
dana looked big
brock looked slightly smaller but not as bad as i expected, his face/head looked slimmer but im sure he will come in at his regular weight. Dana on the other hand looked like a fat bastard. Seriously i remember being slightly surprised at dana’s size when he was training for tito but looking on par with brock is just ridiculous.
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jan 20, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
...
Brock will do the same again. I don’t think it would be as bad as they will not allow that many hammer fists surely.
WANDY RIP
i love pot heads
and there is nothing wrong with them
but what is he thinking? and how is GSP scared? does he expect him to join strikeforce just for this? hilarious!
and especially after his manager just saying that in the past, people who smack talk GSP push him harder and harder.
diaz would be crushed.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was.
Haha Nick is a crazy guy
He is the only guy that has a chance at beating GSP, unless Shields can pull a submission out of his arse. Hardy and Semtex would both get taken down before they had the chance to do anything and the other WW contenders have already lost easily to GSP.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
naah, Shields wouldn’t stand a chance in hell, he’s not tough enough. I’d say Hardy has a better chance than almost any WW, he is big/tall and has better boxing than any opponent GSP’s fought.
fresh like uhh.
Diaz brings nothing to this fight
besides grit and chin. It would a fight to see what his treshhold for taking a beat down is. Can imagine what GSP elbows would do that already cut prone face. GSP has him outmatched everywhere including submissions. Same exact thing for hardy. Hardy has better boxing but he’s neither as big or strong a striker as my boy Alves. And unlike Alves his sprawl game sucks, defensive wrestling is average. He might last the whole 5 rds out of toughness but it will be worse than the fitch fight.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 21, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
the 3rd fight should be the best.
The first was Brock at his worst and the 2nd seemed to be Brock at his best. I hate Stalker Mir but he’s the kinda fighter i love to hate so i have to gve him respect for putting on all that weight, not to mention that any other fighter out there would want nothing to do with lesnar after receiving a beating like that. Brock really used his weight better then I had seen previously and Mir knows it so you have to give him credit for trying his best to even the playing field. Factor Mirs new body in with brocks now suspect health and it should make for a better match. I still beleive Brock will be better then ever and most of what we’ve read is simply dana hype but the disease was real reguardless of how severe and theres still a chance of a decline especially in his first fight back. Lets hope Brock makes Mirs face look like a balloon again. I cant wait!
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
Stalker, I love it.
Mir is such an egomaniac he can’t accept the fact that he got annihilated last time. His reasoning to want Brock again is obviously clouded by that great big ego of his. I hope Mir talks more crap like he did last time and fuels Lesnar’s fire.
Calu
how is that clouded?
I know I would want a rematch, just like Brock did. Now its time to settle it.
Because it wasn't even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don’t go from getting manhandled, your head driven into the canvas repeatedly and knocked near unconsciuos to all of the sudden 7 months later and say “Oh, NOW I can beat this guy” By the way, the new HGH-enhanced Mir isn’t gonna fare any better.
Calu
Suspect health?
He was cleared by 4 different doctors. He obviously must be in quite good health.
Calu
anyone comeing back from something so serious is suspect until we see them fight again
i dont care if its a heart attack, a concusion or an intestine disease. until he fights again and we see him at top form the doctors clearence is just giving him permission to fight, its not guarenteeing that he is the same and has not suffered some affects to his health that may make him a lesser fighter.
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jan 20, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
lesnar/mir II was 1.2 million ppv's?
if it does happen it will be in vegas and i say they could get 1.6 million ppv’s if they hyped it right. even in this economy.
i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 20, 2010 6:59 PM EST reply actions
There was another champion fighting that night...
but he could probably do it on his own next time considering all the questions and expectations.
GSP
isnt a huge draw… plus he’s borderline boring
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dude… come on the prelim fights on UFC 100 were better then his fight vs Alves. As a fighter I was bored out of my frickin mind with the Alves and Penn fight. His Fitch fight was alright but even his second Serra fight was ugh… decent. St. Pierre is for the most part so much better then his opponents that it ends up being dis interesting. He didnt trade with Alves until Alves had been grinded. He didnt bother to strike with penn or serra. Not that its a bad thing but far from exciting. Thats why he needs to venture up to 185
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't bite anymore
The big 7:
1-GSP is boring
2-GSP needs to move up to 185
3-GSP was afraid to exchange with Penn and Alves.
4-GSP would get smashed by Silva (or Silva is ten times better than GSP)
5-GSP is a cheater
6-GSP is on roids
7-GSP has weak chin
That is what GSP haters repeat over and over and over until they believe it themselves. They change the combination of the talking points to sound original but the content of their words remain empty, sterile and, shall we say, massively boring?
Funny Thing Is...
Not only have I trained with St. Pierre but I actually believe he is the best 170er to fight in the Octagon. No way am I a GSP hater. And I didnt say not trading with people was a bad thing I just said it was far from entertaining. Also, I didnt say he NEEDED to move to 185 I just think when you clear out your division its time to challenge yourself and dive into something else. (I.E. Mousasi) Never said he was afraid to exchage either however dont think for a minute Greg ever wanted GSP to try and trade with these gusy either. In a boxing/kickboxing fight Alves/Penn will beat GSP. Also I am a firm believer that GSP poses no threat to Anderson. I cannot prove GSP has ever taken Roids but for all you hardcores out there I will say that mor fighter juice then you think. And as far as cheating goes, Greasing is much more common in mma as well. Its a scary trend and for those of you wanting to start mma as a career I highly suggest you never start it because its a highly aggressive and addicting habit.
Also, GSP has an alright chin. I have seen him routinely dropped by Muay Thai guys brought in to spar with him for the Alves fight.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
How can someone have an ok chin and get routinely dropped??????????
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
your full of shit..
u trained wt gsp huh?? when was this? at your gym, or his? spare me.. wannabe fighter … thats what it sounds like to me.
by thesickness on Jan 21, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yan 117....
1- is boring
2- needs to go to another mma site
3- needs to accept GSP outstruck BJ & Alves
4- GSP can fight anyone at 185
5- GSP dosen’t need to cheat, he kicks everyone’s ass fair and square
6- GSP dosen’t need roids because he kicks everyone’s ass without them
7- YOU have a weak brain
Calu
LOL You didn't read all of my comment now did you Calu?
I used to be just like you. I would flip a switch just like that. You’ll grow out of it too.
I Think he read the grow part as in grow up
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
By the way GSP cannot fight anyone at 185
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I Get it. Unwilling to engage in healthy debate. I get that alot actually. My girlfriend is gugu gaga for St.Pierre she hates when I refuse to watch his boring re runs
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Did you enjoy watching the GSP/Alves fight?
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
no i did not, i was impressived however and found it boring how easily he controlled Alves. I will also agree with you on your statement about fighters juicing, it goes on in every sport and especially in mma, ppl denying it and saying they’re clean don’t mean shit.
fresh like uhh.
Sometimes its us fans that dont wanna see it. It pained me to see Arod exposed, to see Sosa, Clemens, etc. It also angered me to see Merriman in the NFL. It royally pisses me off to think back on Barnett, Sherk, etc. I mean if Fans can see behind the curtains what goes on its ridiculous.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt your opening anyones eyes. I mean...
Do people honestly think that all fighters don’t take whatever is put to them. For christs sake they must be taking every ‘legal’ available product and in some cases obviously ‘illegal’ ones too. You can’t go to your local gym or training facility without any average joe taking some sort of supplement so to think that the pinnacle(sp) of mixed martial artists aren’t taking whatever gives an advantage and gets past a drug test is very naive imo!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
there taking the drugs that will be on the news 5 years from now.
and thats not just fighters, all athletes have a percentage that cheat, it may be drugs or it may be stealing signals, or scuffing the ball (mlb) or filming the opponents practice (patriots). We know athletes were doing steroids before it became headline news, creatine, hgh, i have no medical background but theres numerous others and theres even more that we dont know about yet. Its a subject i struggle with. if there all doing it or if most are then i cant blame a guy for wanting to stay comnpetitive. But theres always some who wont and i do want the playing field to be fair.
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jan 21, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Very much!
I was almost disappointed when GSP had Alves’ back in the early first round, I remember thinking: “oh shit! not already? not so soon?” I really enjoy the hell he’s putting his opponents into. Pain, exhaustion and no way out. That is true hell. A knockout is a much easier way out for anyone facing him.
Thats a good point. The last statement you made. However, GSP vs Alves/Serra/Penn combined was no where nearly impressive in my eyes then Andersons utter trampling of forrest. And that was a KO
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I have that fight recorded on my DVR and it NEVER fails to give me goosebumps when Anderson purely shows the world how far ahead he is then 99% of fighters. That fight and the Couture/Nog fight I can watch over and over and over
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I bought the 101 and 102 DVDs just so I can see those fights as many times as I want
Those 2 fights are classic in their own way, nothing can top the 3 round war between Randy-Big Nog or the 3 minute beatdown that Andy gave Forrest. 2 masterful displays from 2 MMA legends.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
yeah but
that was UFC 100… not only Lesnar Mir, but the WW title fight and Hendo Bisping coming off TUF
by PHISH NATION on Jan 20, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Lets see brock fight sum fresh meat!!
fuck another fight with frank mir! Mir shud give Big Nog the rematch he deserves!
Nog won't deserve another shot at mir after he gets smashed by cain
And Mir would tko his ass again anyway.
maybe if Nog gets poisoned again Frank will have a chance!
It took mir almost 3 rounds to TKO a zombie Nog that crawled out of his death bed!
I understand the 3rd Mir fight but
That would mean 50% of Brock’s fights would have been against the same guy! I would like to see the Mir and Brock fight again but not right now. I hope they give someone else a shot at Brock before Mir.
if mir beats carwin then we have no choice.
they can wait for 5 years if mir loses to carwin but if he wins then the tables pretty much set…
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jan 20, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh, tired
Tired of Mir fighting Lesnar. I know Mir put on a fair amount of muscle and Lesnar has previously been ill, but here’s a question that no one has asked: How’s that muscle affect Mir’s cardio? He didn’t fight that long against Kongo so it’s really hard to say. We all know that Lesnar can go at least 15 minutes with his muscle mass. Also, good wrestling and sub defense can negate most of Mir’s game plan. His striking looks solid, but does he really think Lesnar will stand with him at all? Lesnar via TKO in the 1st. He’s not going to waste any more time with Mir.
Vancouver...
Hope they can give us lesnar title fight since it seems our main fight so far is liddell ortiz….
Ill Say This...
Brock said he is a 273. Which is small for him. If he plans to fight in late May he has 18 weeks to train. He said he will be back training tomorrow. So believe me I have never had more then a 10 week training camp and that was a long damn time. He will have sufficient time to gain back healthy weight, train, and then cut. The question is sure the docs cleared him but how is his body going to react to the first weight cut. I would advise him to do a trial cut.
Mir wants to avenge an ass whooping, thats fine. There 1-1 on paper but realistically Brock kicked his ass the first fight til the knee bar. So really I dont know how Frank will beat him although I was surprised when Frank rocked Brock with the knee in fight 2. So who knows.
Re-Watch. The knee lands flush and Brock is dazed and the momentum of the knee takes Mir down not all Brock. Brock lays for a moment and then proceeds to pummel. But Mir did catch him clean
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, it's a fight...
I got caught a few times myself. But I never ko’d anyone less than a minute later. SO he couldn’t have been too hurt.
Calu
Funny thing is… my first pro bout I got kicked clean in the temple and submitted the guy about 20 sconds later and still dont remember a second of it after the kick.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt snap back til my corner threw me in the shower and I was like wait who won? So if I got nailed by a 145er kick I can only imagine a 245 pound flying knee to the chin
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying.
Either his chin is better than people credit him for or it just woke him up and he decided to get him ouuta there a little quicker. Regardless he took a perfect kee from a 250 lb man to the chin and kicked his ass real quick
Calu
Also… Randy rocked him too. So he chin holds up sure. Doesnt mean Mir cant land a punch like he did on Kongo and drop Brock
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
True, BUT....
I’d lie to think Brock brings a better set of whiskers to the cage than Kongo. And entire skill set for that matter.
Calu
Yeah, man
Brock’s still fairly green and will take that knowledge into a rematch with Mir. Tops? I give Mir about 10 seconds of time to actually land a punch before Lesnar takes him down. I’m still quite curious to see if Mir’s mass will help him at all the later a fight goes on. So far, we’ve only gotten to see a little over a minute of the “new” Mir so… yeah. Lesnar’s conditioning and wrestling will trump Mir yet again.
Okaaayyyyy!
Mir is a “stalker”. He sounds like a sorority girl on TV. Anybody that thinks about him is a “stalker”.
This from the guy who attacked a closet door in a video before the second Mir fight because he was so upset over LOSING to Mir in their first fight. Um Yeah. Nice try, Brock. Just because you are the champ on paper doesn’t mean you are really on top. You have 1 win against a has been (Randy now), 1 win against a never was (Herring), and split with Mir (who is hardly unbeatable).
By the way, I LOVED how he had to remind us that he was STILL the HW champ. We know, we know, Brock. Stop over compensating. Keep telling us that you deserve the recognition of a true champ and maybe the people who don’t think for themselves will believe you. Sorry Tito, er, I mean Brock. We can judge for ourselves what you have “accomplished”.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
The man has few words to say and when he does you bash him. It really doesn't matter what he says.
Of coarse he is going to talk about himself being the champ, this press conference was about him. You keep talking that he hasn’t proved anything but like I said name your top five and tell me one of them that has fought better competition. You keep avoiding this question Striker whats up with that? In the end in the UFC any champion will have to prove himself against the best competion Brock had a set back with this but will be ready to go prove himself again this summer.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
It's funny how people use the Randy fight to confirm Nog's relevance to the HW division
But mention Brock beating him, and he’s over the hill.
If beating Randy(one of the best HW’s in the past 3 years) means nothing, what has Nog done in the past 5 years?
I’m not talking to you Dave, so save it.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Just to come back at some earlier comments...
I saw yesterday all the usual suspects bashing Fedor for facing nobody’s (destroying ex-UFC champs obviously mean nothing), yet blowing smoke up Lesnar’s ass as usual. Of course Brock has beaten all the greats – Mir, Herring and a 45 year old Randy… In the same breath mentioning all the top guys in the UFC would destroy Fedor – well Big Nog ranks up there with the top ones, losing to Mir when he was near death doesn’t count and he recently beat the beloved Randy in a one-sided beatdown, he’s now in line to go for the title shortly after kicking Cain’s ass. People seem to forget that Fedor has already destroyed Nog multiple times, when he was at his prime.
Stop nutthugging Brock and the UFC and bashing one of the greatest of all time, who has proved himself time after time – I’d be willing to bet his last opponent (Rogers) would also mow down 3/4 of the UFC heavyweights in no time at all. You’re not real fans of MMA, just fanboys of the UFC and “Pro” Wrestling. Sad.
+1
You have a believer Jimrod.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
PLEASE FOR FUCKS SAKE....................................
Don’t start this shit again today, it’s fucking pathetic, seriously get a fucking life or else just change the fucking record. You make a good argument Dave but when you regurgitate the same old comments over and over then it just sounds sad and makes me dis-like you even more, when really I have no reason to dis-like you but this constant posting on the same topic is soooooooooooooooooooo fucking annoying! Broc is a beast but I agree with you on the point that he is still new to the game and still relitivly(sp) un-proven. Fedor is numero uno and doesn’t need me to defend him cause his career speaks for itself. But back to the point I was trying to make, jay is a nice guy, seriously opinionated but a great poster and at the end of the day probably a decent bloke. You are prob just as decent in reality but this constant bitching has to stop, not saying your fully to blame but come on man, give it a rest. Regards: TKKPAL!!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Thanks for the kind words, pal
I am a decent bloke. We have long lives, maybe one day I can prove it to you.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Anytime buddy.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
yeah Fedor is a legend we all know this tkkpal
To say brock is not a legend that is true as legends have many great battles and are always thought as one of the best in history in whatever weight division. But to say Brock hasn’t proved anything because he only has a hand full of fights is wrong, nobody that I can think of has came in MMA there first five fights and was able to fight and win the championship belt and fight as high calibure of opponents as Brock has!! Thats not only something thats amazing.
Brock has proved more in his first four fights in the UFC than most fighters have in their 10-20 fights. Not only does he have the belt the competition he has faced is as good if not better than any HW has in their last three. It just blows my mind that because of envy or whatever the case is to say Brock hasn’t prove anything is ignorant. Look at any top HW and tell me how many have fought better fighters please? i’m not cutting down the man when I say this but look at Fedor and his last three good fighters(Tim, AA and Rogers) Were Brock are just as good and I think most would agree better(Couture, Mir X2 and Herring) Now yeah Herring is not a top ten fighter but he is a solid veteran. Rogers has a lot of questions to answers and time will tell how good he is but Randy and Mir are ahead of Tim and AA as far as talent goes.
Anyway everybody wants to debate who is better between him and Fedor and it’s a pointless arguement that is 95% opinion, you can never say this guy can beat that guy without them actually fighting so lets compare only those we may see in the near future after the champ Brock I would place these guys in order and would argue little about the exact spot they should be in because the talent level is close top to bottom and the best HW competition in MMA today #2 Mir, #3 NOG, #4 JDS, #5 Carwin and #6 Cain, #7 Yvel.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
I never said Broc hasn't proved anything Puck Head...
I said the beast was relatively un-proven, as in it is too early to say he is the best eva, and that we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
With out a doubt it's way to early to put him in any legend phrase
But he can be argued as one of the best right now.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
Here's the biggest difference between Lesnar & Mir
Lesnar has been lifting and wrestling his entire adolescent life. Since a young boy he has been hitting the weights and developing his body to be functional at the highest weight allowable.
Mir has admitted to not ever seriously lifting weights and is just a naturally big guy. At Mir’s age.. It doesn’t matter how much “size” he puts on. It’s easier to gain weight the older you get due to natural metabolism decline. Just starting at age 30+ to seriously increase your functional strength and power is not going to heed the same results as it does for someone like Lesnar who has the muscle memory and natural power because of prolonged training. It wouldn’t matter how big or strong Mir gets at this point. He will never achieve the same results as Lesnar.. Also by increasing your weight dramatically, you run the risk of injury at a higher percentage. The body has to adapt to the added weight at such a drastic increase. It also has to develop protective tissues surrounding the tendons and ligaments that attach to the muscle and make it functional.
Lesnar will be back at normal strength and weight in about a months time.. 6-8 weeks max.. Thats being conservative too. With his muscle memory and the fact that he hasn’t been out of activity for too long means he’ll recover quicker than most of you think. I lost 28 lbs in less than 24 hours with a severe case of food poisoning. I was in the hospital for 6 days with no food or drink and fed by IV. My total weight loss was 36 lbs in 14 days. I gained every bit of my weight back in less than a full month once I was cleared by the Dr.’s
It has to do with the condition the body was in previous. He was in great condition before the illness. It didn’t require surgery so he has no real lingering effects at this point. The body heals itself rather quickly.
Mir thinks his weight and strength were the deciding factors. Little does he know that Lesnar is always going to be the faster more powerful and functional of the two. Mir will have to spend time adapting to everything he is doing alternate to his normal routine. This includes cardio. The more muscle, the more oxygen.. Don’t let a quick fight against Kongo that offered no real threat of pushing the fight fool most of you. Mir has always had suspect cardio and it will show against someone like Brock. Lesnar’s body is trained and prepared to handle his weight and size. Lesnar is always going to be the more powerful of the two; also.
Lesnar beats Mir 9 out of 10 times by being the better athlete and better wrestler.
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8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
what’s with all the idiots who think adding size makes you a better fighter? Adding weight makes you slower and gas quicker, that’s why Fedor has beaten every big fighter that he’s faced.
Size does matter
If it didn’t then there would be no weight classes..
Size is a factor.. But not the be all / end all .. Skill is very much a factor too, as is knowing “what to do with that size.”
Size is a factor when the person with it knows how to properly use it. Some people equate size to strength.. Not always the case, but does have validity to it.
If one big guy knows how to use his size and strength and has developed his core to stabilize that weight. He has developed whats known as functional power or movement.
That’s the HUGE difference between Lesnar and Mir.. Lesnar is completely functional at 280+ and that’s what gives him greater power.
Mir will never develop the gains that Lesnar has because of his age and the wear he has on his body.
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Jan 21, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Mir's weight gain hurts him, not help
If you have a hard time getting up when someone is on top of you, you don’t want to add weight, if anything, you want to lose it and gain quickness and power . You guys who think Mir adding weight is a good thing don’t understand MMA. If Lesnar is on top of you, why would you want even more muscle mass (your own) holding you down too? If Lesnar gets on top, what you want is to be quick, mobile, and powerful so you can explode up out of there like Fedor.
hopefully we will get to see if the w8 hurts him or helps him.
cudnt tell from his last fight it was way 2 quick! Hw looked solid no doubt! I hope Carwin wins tho i dont want 2 see a 3rd match with frank mir already! l8r on down the road maybe but lets see brock fight some new faces!
For Mir the size will hopefully add strength and make it harder for Brock to man handle him.
Will it work? Who knows how well until they fight and it might help to fend off some of the grapples Brock uses his strength with but at the same time Brock is a faster grappler to begin with and will be that much more so on a beefed up Mir. I agree with most it will not be as effective as he thinks but Brock is not Mirs only problem right now for size as Carwin is a ripped 265 as well and I think the best thing the weight advantage will work in Mirs favour is takedown D and ground control.
But the 2 biggest weakness I see will be 1)muscle fatigue as Brock and Carwin have had their muscle build up from there college days and Brock for sure has great muscle endurance fo a man his size, where Mir muscle really will not only be weaker it will get fatigued much easier and could really hurt Mir in the struggle. And 2) Mirs belief that size will help may that much mentally may hurt him when he gets slammed with ease again by Brock, hell by Carwin even?
It’s hard too say but not only Brocks but Carwins size is size something they have carried around for years and are use too wich is why I’m not as confident that Mir will get by Carwin as i would be with a 250# Mir?
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
It might, but I doubt it will help much.
It takes time for your body to learn to move as efficiently with that added mass/weight. Brock has been big his whole life. His body moves well with the weight he has because it’s his natural weight. Lesnar by decapitation -AGAIN.
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