UFC Quick Quote: Georges St. Pierre is getting scary
by Jesse Holland on Jan 19, 2010 9:39 PM EST
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"It's getting scary. Georges is getting better and better, believe it or not. If I compare him to last year he is far beyond where he was. He's a very scary individual. I can't even put him in with anybody his size. I can't put him with another welterweight because there is no other welterweight right now I can bring in who can make Georges sweat. We're looking to bring in Gegard Mousasi who is at 205 to work with Georges. I actually like it when the opponent's talk more (trash) because Georges comes in and puts in a lot more work. Trust me, believe me, the more Matt Serra talked, the harder Georges was training. The more BJ talked, the more Georges worked on his conditioning and his boxing. It really fuels Georges St. Pierre. To me, it has really backfired on every opponent."
Trainer Firas Zahabi gives the UFC welterweight division some more bad news as he reports in from Georges St. Pierre's training camp as the division champ prepares to arrest "The Outlaw" Dan Hardy at UFC 111 on March 27 in Newark, New Jersey. "Rush" is flirting with the idea of moving up in weight and if he disposes of Hardy in a violent fashion, it may not make sense for him to stay at 170-pounds. Anyone want to see him mix it up at middleweight -- or hang around and rematch Josh Koscheck and Thiago Alves?
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I would love to see the guy fight at middleweight… A fight with him and Anderson Silva would be something I’d travel around the country to see, if it weren’t for how often fights get cancelled because of injuries.. for me it all depends on how many friends he has at middleweight that he would refuse to fight, such as Nate Marquardt. If it’s only Nate, then go ahead with it :)
But Nate is the only other LEGIT MW...
So he will move up in weight to Fight Anderson and then who? Sonnen, Maia, Belfort, or Okami…He is alrady light years ahead of them. If he ain’t going to fight Nate, he might as well Fight Silva and move onto Strikeforce to Mousasi, Shields, and Hendo. Although now he will be training with Mousasi, so he probably won’t fight him! This is so frustating!
Georges is on the move...
He has maybe 2-3 fights left at WW. The Hardy fight, probably a rematch with Kos, and maybe one more. By that time, he will be at the point that he will no longer be able to make the weight cut to WW. Besides, he will have, for all practical purposes, completely cleared out the division.
I just don’t see GSP fighting Silva. I see Andy fighting Belfort, Nate, and then one last superfight at LHW (possibly against Rua or Jackson) then vacating his belt and retiring.
"I’m the oldest I’ve ever been, right now" – Tim Sylvia
"90 percent of the game is half mental" – Tim Sylvia
Georges will probably
do what Silva has done…hold on to the belt, fight a few fights at MW, maybe fight Silva in a year or 2 and possibly be champ in 2 weight classes
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
But who is he going to fight at MW?
If Nate is top dog there is no point for him to move up in weight. If GSP is top dog after fighting or not fighting Silva, he won’t fight Nate, who is the legit number 1, so agin no point to move up. As long as Nate is around there serves no purpose in the division move.
Mousasi is strictly 205 now, so GSP would never fight him...
… no worries there. It’s a great idea to have Mousasi train with GSP.
by MMACrossfire on Jan 20, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
GSP vs Silva in Toronto
GSP will be at MW in the near future. When Dana gets the go ahead to have the UFC in Toronto they will book a megafight with Silva and GSP at the Rogers Center that would hold over 60,000 fans for that fight.
Dana has already claimed that Canada is the meca of mma with Toronto being the heart. Mark my words, this will happen
agreed
Ill tell you, I am semi new to MMA, but I saw GSP 6th-15th fight or something, and more maybe since, and he just has the best conditioning and all around game
however if he took on our boy anderson silva…that would be a heck of a fight…
I never EVER pay 50 for a pay per view( I MAY on 111 for the FIRST time) but with spike showing the re-runs months later, ill watch it free…Just Wish DIRECTV WOULD MAKE A DEAL WITH COMCAST
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Anderson Silva is 10 times the FIGHTER GSP is. If GSP wins Silva (he won’t) it will be because he is good at holding people down on the ground. Silva usually wins showing 100 times more skill and talent then GSP does.
WANDY RIP
I disagree A.S. is 10x the fighter, but I do agree he would win because he is so much dam bigger
by CoutureisKing on Jan 19, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
yea he might be bigger but not if GSP had time to put on that weight he has to cut to get down to 170 just let him train like he wants and he will be right up there with Silva
ya but andersons 6’2" GSP is 5’10".. big weight distribution difference
by CoutureisKing on Jan 19, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
yea but if gsp went on the frank mir training program
look at the muscle and size mir added from july up until the kongo fight…dude put on like 30 pounds of solid muscle and had to cut to make 265…
whatever the fuck mir was doing to put on that much size in just a short amount of time and he would cancel out any size silva has over him
my dream fight would have to be Brock Lesnar vs Jake Shields...and before the fight theres a video of jake slapping brock's wife...then id like to see shields try to gay porn a win over brock using his butt sex merry-go-round tactics...the massacre that would take place would be the greatest thing ever televised...every limb jake has would look like corey hill's leg...god i hate jake shields
not 30 pounds
By MIr’s own admission, he hasn’t put on anywhere close to 30 pounds of solid muscle. Mir said weighing in at UFC 100 at 245 was the result of cardiotraining his ass off thinking his best strategy was to be quick and tireless. But even prior to UFC 100 he walked around much heavier. Mir says yes, he’s gained muscle, but not the 20 or 30 pounds you might think from subtracting his new walking weight from his former competitive weight.
Height doesn't really matter in this game.
I’d give GSP a 30% chance of winning against Anderson though…
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by The Negation on Jan 20, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
That's not true
If you’ve ever watched AS closely you can see his long legs make it very difficult for his opponents on the ground. He always has a body triangle on them. Also he has a good reach standing up. Height does matter especially when you have devastating strikes.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 20, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
If height really mattered so much in the MW division
then Kendall freaking Grove would be the champion.
The only people claiming this big height/size disadvantage for GSP are all his Canadian nut huggers and the few American homos that fell in love with him.
Fedor is almost always 4 inches shorter than his opponents and has a much bigger weight disadvantage than GSP would have against Silva and you know what? He accepts the fights and he wins.
Plus, GSP is MUCH thicker than Anderson Silva. At 185, Anderson is rather skinny. At 170, GSP is built. At 185 he will be thick as hell, I mean, he already ‘looks’ bigger than Nate.
Sop all this nonsense about this big disadvantage GSP will be at. Sean Sherk was a force in the WW division for years and he was tiny. Do you hear BJ cry about size when he moves up to WW, MW, or LHW? NO. Gegard Mousasi also comes to mind as he has HW title aspirations, but has a MW frame. Now he’s at LHW working his way up to HW. Until GSP actually wants to fight someone besides sub par UK fighters or the AKA buddies that would all be close to 10 -1 dogs against him. If GSP actually want to challenge himself as a fighter, as all real fighters should, than he should move up to MW and fight Anderson after 1 win to get accustomed to the new wieght.
That is what I got to say about that.
Blast away.
If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I'd probably just start calling out letters.
Swedish Chef
So, you’d have Ben Saunders and his long legs be a favorite to beat GSP?
If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I'd probably just start calling out letters.
height != skill
Just like size != skill. But size does matter and so does height. And if you watch Anderson you’ll see he ’s a guy who really knows how to use his reach and leg length advantage.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 20, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
VM, i think what SwCh is sayig is that if I have two fighters of exactly equal skill, I’m betting of the bigger and taller one. Grove and Saunders are not remotely close to the skill of Silva and GSP, so that argument is not valid. But I tink it’s fair to say that Silva and GSP are very close to each other in their skills, but as the bigger and longer fighter, Silva has a distinct advantage.
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Yeah P-Dubs,
I conceded to the skill level thing earlier below….
I just don’t like GSP and had a few moments at work.
If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I'd probably just start calling out letters.
by ViolentMike on Jan 20, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
The height and reach advantage wouldn't matter in a GSP/Spider fight
Does anyone really think GSP would stand with AS? GSP would easily take AS down and have the stamina to keep it there for 25 minutes. If Travis F*ing Lutter can make him look like a white belt, what do you think GSP’s wrestling would do? Lutter shot at him from across the cage and took him down with ease. Same with Hendo. Both of those guys gassed and weren’t able to finsh AS.
GSP would kill AS.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Lets be realistic...
I don’t think there is anyone out there who could completely dominate Silva. I love GSP, but the reality is, his best hope would be to utilize take-downs, and a smothering G’N’P, but even then, I don’t think he would be able to finish Silva. At best (maybe) Georges could squeeze out a decision win. I’d still say Silva takes this fight 7 out of 10 times.
One other thing to look at is, Silva not only owned the entire MW division, he has should that he could in all likelyhood own the LHW division as well. We are talking about completely destroying world-class fighters who walk around at 225 – 230 lbs and cut to 205. That’s nearly 50 lbs over GSP’s current weight.
I love both GSP and Silva, I just don’t see this fight happening. I think a Machida / Silva fight would be more likely (and that is very unlikely).
"I’m a very unique fighter. If there were two of me, I’d be unnecessary." – Sam Morgan
height doesn't just matter standing up
That’s why I mentioned the body triangle Anderson always uses. It also makes it easier for him to lock on submissions. Then you have to consider how much reach GSP will have inside Anderson’s guard considering the length of his torso. He may not be able to connect very well.
I’m only pointing out that you can’t overlook their physical differences. Whether they are advantages or disadvantages depends on how the fight plays out.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 20, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
using the word “kill” in the same sentence as wrestling is a little disgusting to me. He wouldn’t kill AS anywhere, maybe he’d outwrestle him for a while but it would never last, and with added muscle he’d gas quicker trying to handle a bigger man.
fresh like uhh.
Kill in the scoring
Or grind a stoppage out of Silva. I know “kill” is stupid.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I’m not a huge fan of the thought that if Fedor gives up a lot of size so should GSP if he was a real fighter. The fact of the matter is that Fedor gives up size to increase his skill advantage. HW are usually a joke when it comes to overall skill, whereas if he were to fight LHW he may have a size advantage but would probably be decreasing his skill advantage as LHW are much more skillful fighters and atheletes when compared to the HW’s. So really this is not the same, and infact I would say Fedor is playing it safe by staying at heavyweight and not fighting top tier LHWs.
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GSP...
Still needs to show to can compete with any top MW let alone Anderson. I don;t think he deserves a shot at Anderson yet… Anderson has moved up to 205 twice and has been amazing… more amazing than GSP has been in his weight class and he still hasn’t gotten a title shot. BJ only got a title shot because him and GSP already fought. Too bad Hendo left cause I’d like to see if GSP could hang with him. I don’t see Hendo soing any better in a rematch with Silva but I think he could take GSP. Franklin moving back down to MW to fight GSP would be another great fight. Maybe even Wandy.
lets not forget
Anderson got a title shot after one win..and it was against leben.
regardless of what he was able to do after wards, at the time everybody complained that he didn’t deserve one either.
Yeah, that fight won't happen
I agree with you. Good for for GSP, bad fight for Bisping. It won’t happen.
by MMACrossfire on Jan 20, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Anderson Silva would win because he’s a better fighter and more skillful. wrestling isn’t actual fighting and i think you’d be a fool to argue that GSP is at the same level in the other areas.
just take Jon Fitch a pretty average fighter other than his wrestling ability, you all saw how good (not) he looked when GSP took away his wrestling advantage and made him fight.
fresh like uhh.
Silva is a significantly better striker. In all other facets of the MMA game (besides maybe chin) I give the nod to Georges, including BJJ. But as you said, Silva is also much bigger, and Georges’ weight training won’t change that. Silva’s frame is way bigger than GSP’s, and although Georges might be able to take Silva down and defeat him, it is IMO a terribly risky and unfair fight for GSP.
Would I like to see it? Yes. GSP beating Silva would cement him as the best ever. Do I think it should happen? No.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I'd give the BJJ to The Spider
Georges could maybe hang in the grappling department because of his wrestling, but remember that Anderson trains with the illest Black House grapplers. See what he did against Lutter’s jitz…
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by The Negation on Jan 20, 2010 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
It was the elbow strikes...
… Lutter admitted it. He had to tap. He was completely gassed, and Anderson was raining down elbows on his noggin. Are elbows to the crown considered jits? I don’t think so. That’s more Muay Thai, but from the guard.
by MMACrossfire on Jan 20, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I like GSP and think his style works perfectly for him, his boxing is improving too he has some great jabs but he still has a very physical fighting style and once he loses his quickness and explosiveness he’ll have to work more on his technique.
even my boy Tito was a dominant wrestler back in the day with his killer physique, too bad he got injuries and that he wasn’t working as hard on his other shit.
fresh like uhh.
Give it a rest
RoBerto, you arguement is always the same – “wrestling isnt fighting”. We get it, you don’t like lay and pray fighters.
GSP taking away Ftich’s wrestling is a horrible arguement because no one – and I mean NO ONE – in the UFC has better MMA wrestling than GSP. Its just terrible match up for Fitch.
“horrible argument” dude work on your reading comprehension. I meant that when Fitch didn’t have the wrestling advantage over his opponent (which he almost always have) we got to see what an average fighter he really is.
wrestling has nothing do with lay and pray either, GSP always stays relatively active on the ground.
fresh like uhh.
Disagree
imo. that’s an insane comment. GSP’s a monster, so is Andy, they just fight to completely dif. styles.
i agree Andy would win but thats because of his size and striking. def. would be a lot closer then you think
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Hey Tony, maybe you should start watching kickboxing exclusively, and while you’re at it, park your van a little farther away from the asbestos plant.
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The valiant never taste of death but once."
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by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
The 10x the fighter thing...
that doesn’t even really warrant a reprisal.
Not sure what you're smoking but GSP >Anderson
If they fight Anderson will smash GSP but it wont be because hes a better fighter reality is he is less skilled then GSP who is a more complete fighter and has proved it in all his fights. Anderson of course walks around 225+++ GSP walks around i believe he said in his latest interview at 192 thats a huge difference not to mention Anderson has more reach and power(hes a true LHW who has great genes or technique or both which allow him to cut all the way down to MW).
Fedor>GSP>Anderson>Gegard>who ever you like that is not P4P i could care less for argueing about that stupid shit with people, thats based on skill size of course matters.
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by Khaos_Warrior on Jan 19, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
O yeah
Gegard will Surpass all of them within the next two years if he keeps at it hes already retardedly close skill wise to all of them he just needs to continue improving.
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by Khaos_Warrior on Jan 19, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Khaos Warrior
If that is true, how has Fedor ever won a fight? He fights at even bigger weight disadvantages. Granted though, not always against equally skilled fighters. SO I get your point. But still, a real fighter accepts the challenge to fight the best. BJ has fought in like every weight class. Gegard is going from MW to HW. Dan Henderson is a MW that fought HW. A WW should not be THIS WORRIED about moving up ONLY ONE WEIGHT CLASS. Its not like he is a average WW moving up to fight the MW champ. He is the greatest WW of all time with zero competition at WW. Its a no brainer to move up
If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I'd probably just start calling out letters.
WHO THE HELL HAS GEGARD BEAT! Why is everyone on his nuts, yes hes skilled but #4 p4p.. plz
by CoutureisKing on Jan 19, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
his last win was Gary goodrich whos gone like 2-8 in his last 10 mma fights and like 0-9 in kick boxing… just like fedor.. building his record on plugs… when everyone says OMG Randys not a legend hes 17-10… look at who hes fought….
by CoutureisKing on Jan 19, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Coutureisking i see your point about Randy but.
Mousasi looks to be a future stud in this sport. He has some wins now over good fighters like Denis Kang,Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou,Renato Sobral,Mark Hunt ,and Melvin Manhoef. Does he have Randy like wins over Real big names in the sport? No not yet but he’s pretty young. I think in the future he will though.
Well to be the future stud that you project him to be, then GEgard must fight top-flight competition right now...
Bring him to the UFC A.S.A.P.!!
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-Maximus[Gladiator]
by The Negation on Jan 20, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
If GSP moves up, his walking weight would probably go up, too
… in other words, GSP would likely begin walking around at a larger weight, as well.
by MMACrossfire on Jan 20, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Furthermore...
… GSP’s strategy would most likely involve parking Anderson on his butt and keeping him there, tiring out his arms, and making Anderson work very hard to escape. They’d come in with a good plan. Whether GSP could beat him, who knows? But it could be more competitive than virtually all of his UFC fights thus far.
by MMACrossfire on Jan 20, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Wow Tonyuk
What a joke of a post. So you are saying put 10 GSPs worth of insane athleticism and amazing game planning and Anderson would still make GSP look like Forrest? I highly highly highly highly highly highly highly highly highly highly doubt it… woops that was 10 highlys huh? haha
by Edgecrusher71 on Jan 19, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Thats where you're wrong.
Its not kickboxing or wing chun! Fair enough, Anderson Silva shows more skill on the feet than anyone in the world but that ‘holding people down’ is called wrestling!!!! GSP utilises great BJJ and wrestling and does so far more than Anderson Silva. Its MMA Tony.
Babalu and Jacare are no joke. But yeah, he needs a few higher-quality wins before he enters P4P discussions. Kicking Henderson’s ass would be a good start.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeh Mousasi is sick
I can’t wait for GSP to move up to 185 maybe he will do it after the Hardy fight.
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Its not just GSP its Evans also. They do a lot of the ground without the pound and the refs allow them too. Bas Rutten talked about it he said if they hold a person down even if its for 2 minutes and do nothing they shouldnt get any score for the round because they have done nothing skillfull at all. I hold my favorite fighters and stars of my favorite sport to higher standards then to worskip them for that tactic.
WANDY RIP
Like when your hero Bisping got dropped by Kang and resorted to a GnP strategy for the remainder of the fight?
GSP doesn’t LnP, with the exception of the second round of the first BJ fight, when he was recovering from an eye poke and a smashed nose, and the fifth round of the Alves fight, when he had a torn groin.
His opponents’ faces are testament enough to to the amount of “pound” he is doing, and I highly doubt a guy as tough as BJ quit because he wasn’t taking any damage. GSP is constantly attempting to improve his position on the ground, and apply submissions or strikes. He is also a fantastic kickboxer, which he has demonstrated time and again, although admittedly moreso earlier in his career.
If you want to see LnP, check out Dan Henderson or Clay Guida staying in guard for five minutes and sticking their forehead into their opponent’s chest, with the occasional weak strike attempt.
It’s called “mixed” martial arts, dude.
Fuck, why do I bother with these tools.
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The valiant never taste of death but once."
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by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
started to respond....
but that pretty much sums it up. Like you argument better this time around ;)
tips cap to Amos14
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
ditto for me..
shit, a fights a fight. and as much as it hurts to say…a win is a win…
damn you pride! why did you have to leave us?!?!
"i only want to be known as the best ever, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
It’s also hilarious that in your profile you claim your favorite boxer as Ricky Hatton, without a doubt the biggest LnP’er equivalent possible in the sport of boxing. The guy spends the entire fight tring to grab his opponent and throw punches on the break, doing everything possible to avoid actually engaging.
I would rather watch women’s curling over a Ricky Hatton fight. But he’s British, so we’ll overlook the fact that he’s a dirty, boring, and unskilled fighter, hmm assclown?
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by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ricky Hatton is not the worst LnP equivalent in Boxing unless you mean current
Thats without a doubt Ruiz the ex-HW champ that Roy Jones whooped on Ruiz would throw a punch then hug then throw a punch then hug then hug then throw a punch and hug not even joking man how the hell he ever won anything is just amazing.
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by Khaos_Warrior on Jan 20, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
O yeah and GSP doesnt do much LNP its mainly GnP
He constantly tries to pass guard and throws nice short power shots and elbows so to say he is all LnP either means you know very little to nothing about mma or are just a hater.
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by Khaos_Warrior on Jan 20, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Haha
nice call on the Ricky Hatton assessment JeremyJackson.. Luckily for us if Ricky even tries to box for a second he gets Manny’ed the fuck out!
by BlaiseBlaise on Jan 20, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Both Hatton and Ruiz are huggers
Hopefully Haye will KO Ruiz before he gets the chance to ruin that fight, if it wasn’t for Don King that guy wouldn’t have had any of his undeserved title HW title fights.
Hatton is a notorious clincher as well and it does get frustrating to watch at times so that was a good shout. At least it’s funny watching what happens when he tries that tactic against a quality opponent like Pretty Boy or Pacman. If he does come back against JMM (and it looks likely at this point) then Marquez will finish Fatton for good.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
I don't think he's EVER coming back
I’m a casual boxing fan, I read the ring and boxing monthly when I see them and I watch the big fights, but Hatton looks sooo out of shape, I doubt he’ll ever come back, not even for a paycheck, he’s running his own promo company at the moment right?
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 20, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
Hatton looks horrendous but he's confirmed that he's coming back
He shouldn’t do as he’s way overweight, even for his standards, but he wants that one last payday and career defining win before he retires and sticks to being a promoter. If he had any sense than Hatton would have quit after Pacman brutally KO’d him but unfortunately he’s one of those boxers that doesn’t know when to quit. Unless he gets injured in training or someone talks some sense into him Hatton will make a comeback in 2010 against Marquez or Khan now that Amir has left Warren and signed with Golden Boy.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
The whole “GSP is a lay n’ pray guy” is getting old. What caused BJ and Alves to look like hammered shite after their fights? Is GSP swinging pillows down there? If what he does is lay n’ pray, I would hate to see ground n’ pound from him as there would be definitely be some dead fighters.
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Agreed with Jeremy Jackson
GSP is one of the most dominant and busy ground fighters I’ve seen. You could throw out there names like Aoki and Jacare, but GSP is constantly trying to improve position, and throws some pretty harsh knees to the body when in side control or side/back/turtle control. One of his greatest strategies is that he doesn’t ground and pound from the guard, rather attacks from a limitless number of angles. He keeps the opponent guessing by constantly changin position.
And to answer all the Silva>GSP comments, Anderson Silva’s kryptonite has always been his ground game. If GSP gets Anderson on the ground (which he will) he will pound right through Anderson Silva. Hell Travis Lutter of all people made Anderson look like a bitch on the ground. Then he got cocky. Henderson made Silva look like a grappling dummy the first round of their fight. Then he got tired. Rest assured, GSP wouldn’t get cocky or tired. He wouldn’t make any of the rookie mistakes that fighters generally make against Silva out of intimidation.
I agree for the most part
but the part of silvas ground game that makes it so effective is his control. He uses his long limbs to either lock up a body triangle or just squeeze his opponent tightly. Thats how he was able to take little damage from Hendo when on his back.
at this poin I dont see anybody being able to do any significant damage to anderson, escpecially a wrestler
dude.....i am
Yeah. GSP lays hard, doesn't he?
Tonyuk, you’re better off watching K1 or boxing if all you want to see are people standing and fighting. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to the ground game.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
started to respond....
but that pretty much sums it up. Like you argument better this time around ;)
Wrote the same thing twice!?!?!?
I’m such an idiot. I hate ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we all have those moments dont worry.
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Betting Odds
When the “#1 contender” is +450 you know it’s time to move up. 170 is done for Georges. Who wants to see him tool Koscheck, Alves or Fitch again? Those fights weren’t even competitive.
fitch and alves
were once in the pound for pound rankings. So what if he couldn’t finish them, he dominated all of them maybe not so much KOS but that was right after the Serra loss and played it safe.
by CanadianSensation on Jan 19, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that he didn’t finish Fitch says more about Fitch than it does Georges. He smashed Fitch around and battered him with knees, kicks and punches, dropping him repeatedly. Fitch showed the heart of a lion and somehow hung in there.
As for Alves, he would have been stopped like BJ was, except Georges tore up his groin and had to basically hang on and ride out the remainder of the fight.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he should have been able to finish Koschek, but Alves and Fitch can just take a beating.
Those aren’t guys that are finished easily, but it wasn’t for lack of trying, regardless they were still a very dominate performances.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
imo. he was a little gun shy.
I think he just wanted to play it safe is Kos. Coming off the Sera loss, I believe he was just trying to get back into the win column and not get ko’d again. Plus out wrestling Kos all match was quite impressive enough on its own.
I don’t understand how anyone could question GSP? He fights elite level fighters, yet manages to make them look ameture. Whens the last time anyone can recall Rush loosing a round?
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"He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day and looks like a ***** today." -Tank Abbott.
GSP dominates everyone he fights. His last several fights have not been close. My complaint with him, and most other people who complain about him, is that if he dominates somebody that severely for 5 rounds he should be able to finish. I don’t care how tough or hard to finish those guys are. Go. For. The. Kill.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
He is Dubs
He’s trying to put these guys away. He isn’t lying on their legs, Shields. ahem.
He’s trying to finish these dudes and does finish them 70% of the time. Don’t blame him for dominating fighters(but not finishing them) who are fighting for their lives. His opponents are literally fighting for their lives. They all want to win a fight over GSP more than anything in the world. That’s a whole shit load of motivation and determination to beat out of a man.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Robert among other people
Anybody who thinks GSP is just a wrestler, you’re stupid and you know nothing about fighting. I’m actually getting sick of reiterating that what makes GSP so good at wrestling are his skills as a striker.. What does GSP have that not every other great wrestler has? FOOTWORK, FINESSE, TIMING, REFLEXES, STRIKES, UNPREDICTABILITY, RING GENERALSHIP. Why isn’t Josh Koscheck or any other somewhat comparable wrestler the champ at 170 Hrm, maybe because MMA isn’t a wrestling match fools? Let me put it in a way you morons can understand, when you watched GSP’s last fight this is what your ignorant eyes saw: GSP just keeps laying on top of Alves, all GSP can do is lay on top of people, he’s only good at wrestling he just takes Alves down all the time.. simple as that… Now this is what my much more experienced and more intelligent eyes saw: Wow, look at how GSP is controlling the range with his footwork, he’s either in the pocket or out of the pocket and he’s not staying on the end of Alves’ punches, Look at how he’s changing levels and misdirecting Alves all over the ring, Anytime Alves takes even an inch too far of a step GSP knows like he’s got an ankle braclet on Alves and he’s either taggin him with a shot or taking him down with excellent timing.. Great control, he’s seeing everything Alves’ is throwing and is responding perfectly to it..
Now that’s what I saw last fight, and anybody who didn’t see that and is calling GSP a boring wrestler falls under the category of an ignorant casual fan that doesn’t understand the technicality of fighting and just wants to see to tired ass heavyweights slug it out.. And doesn’t think a fight is good unless somebody gets knocked out.. You people are idiots, don’t talk to me about this sport because you don’t even know what you don’t know.
haha
reading it back that sounded kinda like an angry rant, just to let you know i don’t have to be angry to call idiots, idiots. IDIOTS..
thanks.
by BlaiseBlaise on Jan 20, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Damn I didn’t even post in this tred, but damn you gotta be a prick to people
by LOKIE on Jan 20, 2010 2:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And also. I agree gsp is an amazing, well rounded fighter, arguably the most well rounded alive. However this is a message board where people debate differnt opinions, and if some chose to be blind and call him a “wrestler” its there OPINION. If it upsets you read past it don’t be a tool and go on a rampage about the casual fan
by LOKIE on Jan 20, 2010 2:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with LOKIE
I guess the thing that these guys are getting at and understandebly as far as I’m concerned, is that GSP doesn’t test himself in the same way that other top guys do. meaning that he has, in recent fights, utilised the same game plan in every fight regardless of the opponent, for instance, say what you like about Fedor, but he strikes with the strikers and grapples with the grapplers, he isn’t afraid to fight where ever the fight takes place, or even when JDS fought Cro Cop, he probably could have taken him down and finished him easier there but he stood with him, to test himself, not that I’m saying GSP is at all afraid but, he could probably out strike Hardy, using footwork etc. and everything blaiseblaise described, that’s the only way that Hardy is possibly a test for GSP, on the feet, but GSP won’t fight him there. he’ll out wrestle him, make him tired and beat him up until Hardy quits or the 25 minutes is up. There isn’t a WW that can fully test GSP in all aspects of the game right now, I just think that he should be more willing to test himself.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 20, 2010 6:25 AM EST up reply actions
Great post.
Even if it falls on deaf ears. GSP is light-years ahead of the pack. I’d pick Alves against virtually everyone at 170, but GSP made him look helpless.
GSP the wrestler
The fact that so many people are talking about GSP being a boring wrestler (when he isn’t from a wrestling background), surely shows what a true mma fighter he is. Before he thinks about moving up to MW he needs to beat Hardy which I don’t think is as straightforward as people think. Hardy has power in his hands and if serra can have him doing the chicken dance, Hardy will do the same if he catches him.
by Tomdidlyompson7 on Jan 20, 2010 4:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Does anyone else think this pic is kinda weird??
It’s like a pic from a gay snuff movie or something!!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
I haven't seen a lot of pics from gay snuff films
But if you say so, pal. You seem to be the expert on the subject.
ZING.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
He walks around at 185 anyway.
Fight Silva.
Step up in weight.
BJ had the balls to do it.
It worked out well for BJ didn’t it. He can’t remember his birthday parties from ages 3 on…but at least he was ‘manly’ enough to move up.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
He probably can’t remember that due to the severe beating he took later.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Yeah
Probably the same reason GSP can’t remember his first Matt Serra fight.
At least BJ showed that he wasn’t afraid to step up and fight.
Jury is still out on GSP.
Gsp is a Clown
he only fights like twice a year and is a self involed coky prick, he wants to move up to middle weight so he can have two belts and never fight, this guy is a joke i hope Hardy thrashes him. If he moves up to Middle w he should fight Vitor.
Really bro
this guy has like 6 fights in he last 4 years, he never wants to fight thats not a champ, he evan complained the last time he had more than 3 fights one year.
haha
Bisping gnp doesnt take 5 rounds and goes to a decision. neither does Thiago Silva who is one of my favorite fighters they gnp and end things fast. Ricky Hatton? the guy who Floyd Mayweather spent 10 rounds holding elbowing ducking below the waist with? Castillo was holdng Hatton in a head lock as the HBO commentry said “Hatton is doing 95 per cent of the holding” 30 seconds later Catillo quit with a body punch. Its a myth about Hatton! he likes to fight on the inside but he still fights and throws. but American referees don’t even know this is part of the sport it seems to me apart from Kenny Bayliss.
WANDY RIP
reply to edgecrusher 71
GSP’s great game plan? your having a laugh? he does anything possible to pin somebody to the floor for 5 rounds he isnt intrested in anything else.
WANDY RIP
which one of your heros did GSP demo?
name one fighter he has pinned for 5 rounds…Fitch? No. Alves? No….BJ? Yes but it was 100% domination and BJ threw in the towel….KOS? No. Serra? No. Hughes? No. Need I continue putz?
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
Bullshit
Hatton got smashed by a far superior fighter who has never failed a drugs test, just because Money wanted him to take extra blood tests instead of letting the athletic commission do their job does not mean that he’s on roids. What Golden Boy and Mayweather have done is slander a superior athlete and they’re deservedly getting sued by Pacman because of it. Pacman looks like an athlete should, he doesn’t stuff his face with fast food like Fatton and actually trains properly and stays in good shape. As stupid as your anti-GSP rants are this has to be the worst comment of the lot.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
re bullshit
Exactly the point I was trying just didn’t do it as well. Think the hitmans hardest fight will be not turning into a balloon!
by Tomdidlyompson7 on Jan 20, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
mcarthur
Maybe not 5 rounds but there so boring they seem like that. why didnt he finish Fitch? because he had good wrestling and he didnt have anything else to do even though Fitch was a one trick pony for 5 rounds. which is fair enough thats GSP’s style but don’t insult great fighters like Anderson Silva by comparing him. Silva is on a diffrent level to GSP and yes if they did stand the end would be like James Irvin got from Silva
WANDY RIP
You’re really trying to say he held fitch down. Check out the fightmetrics on that. Most of it was standup. I think you would be suprised by how many finishes GSP has if you actually looked.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
I didn't compare him to Andy...Fitch is VERY tough...nobody can finish Fitch
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
I would tend to think your right about Silva beating GSP on the feet but its a moot point cause GSP isn't stupid and would have a better gameplan that you would no doubt critique as well
And comparing GSP to James Irvin is more insulting than comparing Silva to GSP…most guys here would agree.
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
off topic but I had a dream that they gave james Irvin a LHW title shot last night
so glad its not true
dude.....i am
GSP couldn’t finish Fitch and Spider couldn’t finish Thales Leites…………what does that prove? Absolutely nothing. Which is just like the point you are trying to make.
Bad comparison..
Fitch and GSP was far better more action packed then Silva and Leites.
Greasy St.Pierre is a cheater.
Ricky Fatton
Don’t think that’s fair. As much as I love the hitman,he is past it and was beaten by a better fighter. Have you seen him recently? He must be at least 4 stone overweight, I fear for his comeback.
by Tomdidlyompson7 on Jan 20, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions
My thoughts
I have to say I disagree with most of you on here. I don’t believe silva’s size would be much of an factor if he was ever to fight gsp. I really don’t care if silva is 4 inches taller and has a little reach advantage and walks around at 220 or 230. First of all they both have to make 185 and the fighter who cuts more weight usually is more drained and lacks energy. To be completely honest I can’t find much of a correlation between a little height difference and striking performance, I’ve seen so many lanky guys get destroyed by shorter guys with much less reach, I could go on all day with examples of fighters who are much shorter with much less reach ko’ing the much taller fighter, happens all the time. And if anything I think gsp would be thicker than the lankier silva and who really knows who would be the stronger one, the heavier one doesn’t mean the stronger one, as anyone who has spent much time in the gym knows. Silva’s only real advantage and its a major one, over gsp is his lethal striking, but gsp is as good at wrestling as silva is at striking and IMO I think there jits are close and the guy on top usually has the advantage. One paper silva would obviously be the favorite and I feel confident if it when to a decision gsp would get the nod, and if it ended silva would probably be the one who ended it. Gsp isn’t like any fighter silva has fought before and IMO would have a great game plan, wouldn’t come in over confident and would do a lot better than most think.
Nice to see you contributing to the thread xxBAxx816.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
You’re clearly better than us calling us ‘child’ while using the word pwned…you’ve made your point.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Sense please...
Us? I was talking to you, hence the singular word CHILD. If I meant to address more people than you I would have said CHILDREN. Next time I’ll just call you a noob…
Greasy St.Pierre is a cheater.
Noob…I’ve been on this site for quite sometime. I wasn’t sure which person you were responding to because they were threaded right below eachother. nathang also had the same sentiments as myself, in that you’re a moron who has no idea what you’re talking about…therefore it could have been addressed to both of us. And wow, Greasy St. Pierre is quite original, did you come up with that all on your own….Oh I get it, Georges and Greasy both start with a ‘G’, very profound…that must have taken a great deal of forethought.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
The pot calling the kettle black..
I’m calling you a noob to the sport , moron. Not to this site. Greasy St. Pierre. Yes. It’s quite simple and I’m glad you could put that together. Now only, if we could get you to put down the crayons and the coloring books we’d be making real progress. Maybe your boyfriend Nathang could help you?
Greasy St.Pierre is a cheater.
I started watching this sport around the same time your dad should have pulled out, so I’m not a noob. The fact that you use the terms noob, child and pwned makes me think that while I use crayons you actually eat them, along with raccoon sh!t you found in the sandbox at school, lead paint and BJ’s sweaty choda.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Sh*ts weak..
You’ve been watching this sport since TUF. Wow good for you. I’ve been into this sport for over a decade.Nice run on sentence, I see your jokes are as good as your grammar.
Greasy St.Pierre is a cheater.
Wow, trying to correct proper grammar is the best you could come up with after 3 days. There’s nothing wrong with the grammar, maybe the sentence structure is not to your liking, but the grammar is fine. I started watching this sport well before TUF, not that I have should have to validate myself to you. You want to talk weak, calling people noobs is weak. Even if I started watching yesterday, I already know more than you about the sport, so what does that say about you? I’ll tell you what it says…you’re a retard.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Ok dro gotem
Your reading comprehension isn’t all there so I won’t waste any more time….I said I didn’t think size would be an issue in gsp vs silva, skill will be, read it again…slowly.
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