Brock Lesnar health update finally revealed via ESPN 'SportsCenter' on Jan. 20 at 11am ET
by Jesse Holland on Jan 19, 2010 5:36 PM EST
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The shroud of secrecy that surrounds the health of UFC Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar may soon be lifted, as the press conference that was originally scheduled for today (Jan. 19) has been scrapped in favor of the ratings bonanza that is sure to accompany his appearance on ESPN's "SportsCenter" tomorrow (Jan. 20) at 11 a.m. ET.
Lesnar will provide details regarding a possible return to mixed martial arts after undergoing a surgical procedure late last year to repair damage inflicted by intestinal diverticulitis.
The former WWE star hasn't seen the Octagon since a second round drubbing of Frank Mir at UFC 100 back on July 11, 2009. He was booked to defend the recently-unified title against number one contender Shane Carwin at UFC 106 last November until the illness intensified and left him unable to train.
The UFC recently announced that Carwin will instead battle former champion Frank Mir at UFC 111 in his absence and we may finally know by tomorrow if that bout will be contested for an interim title (as scheduled) or the true title should the Minnesotan be forced to surrender the belt in anticipation of a long or permanent absence.
Word out of the Lesnar camp is that the champ is expected to return to action later this year and will resume his position as the sport's biggest draw. If so, the winner of Carwin vs. Mir will likely face Lesnar to once again unify the heavyweight strap.
Stay tuned for more details following tomorrow's announcement, which we will bring you in full detail right here at MMAmania.com as soon as it concludes.
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From Randy to Brocks coaches they all state he's coming back it's just a matter of time.
I’m hoping Randy has the correct story and it’s Spring, I would be happy if it’s summer
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
He's back
Will we see a diminished Brock Lesnar? I’m affraid so. Serious disease + long period of inactivity + age = a lesser Lesnar. Don’t get me wrong though, I’ll be watching for sure anyway.
Dude, you just got jays approval, but it wont last long after this post, the man loves this guy!!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Yan's good.
But it doesn’t matter. A lesser Brock is still better than Mir. I think he’s going to come back better than ever. He’s still been staying in shape this whole time. It’s not as if he has been bedridden through all this.
If Brock comes back at 50%, he’ll still be 100% better than anyone else in the UFC HW division.
You see, for you it’s a bad feeling. For me it’s a good one.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't mind him at all
I just like Lesnar more. I wouldn’t mind if JDS beat him. Just like I wouldn’t mind if Hardy beat GSP.
I used to like Mir
I was rooting for Mir the first two times he fought Brock. Never liked Brock. Ever since then, I’ve noticed how much of a shit-talker Mir is. I hope Carwin knocks both of them out.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
We will find out in the press conference
Nobody knows for sure anything there has been rumors that he was down to 230 LOL.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
I hate that fake wrestling crap
I hate that fake wrestling crap that only fools watch…nothing to do with MMA.
Whats the fake wrestling crap have anything to do with this story.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
I hope he’s back soon. The Brocksuckers need something to keep them warm at night.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think everybody want him back
Some want to see him knock somebody out and others want to see somebody knock him out. It’s all good.
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"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Oops....just the thumbnail earlier....BROCK RULES!
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"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Sums up your maturity level pretty well Dave
Never said anything worth remembering yourself so you put other peoples thoughts in your sig?
That’s cool.
No, I just...
No, I just never have said anything so stupid…like wins and losses don’t matter. LOL.
Still think you are great judge of talent?
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Have I ever been wrong?
It really isn’t that hard of a formula…I’ll break ’er down for you.
Good wrestling+Stronger than everyone in your division+faster than anyone in your division+Bigger than anyone in your division= Massive advantage. It wasn’t hard to tell Brock was going to be successful on some level in this sport. History is a great teacher.
Mir put on alot of weight, and he looked good against Kongo
He’s trying to eliminate that size advantage. Talent-wise, I’d give it to Mir.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
Except....
“Talent wise give what to Mir?
Definitely not over Brock. That’s been proven”
How about when Mir made Brock TAPOUT? That looked like Mir’s technique over Brock’s strength and speed. LOL Keep pretending that that first fight never happened. LMFAO.
Why do you think that you have any ability to judge “talent”? Because you are a fan? LOL
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
You're right Dave.
Mir looked great in that fight. He was doing well the whole fight. I bet Wikipedia didn’t tell you that Brock was winning that whole fight. Or that it was his second fight in his life. Or that he had only picked up the sport a year before that fight. Pretty good for a beginner fighting a former champ.
I'll never pretend that fight didn't happen
It showed me more about Lesnar than it did Mir. Even a hater like yourself would have to admit, Brock was absolutely killing Mir before he made that ROOKIE mistake. Don’t act like Mir did anything right in that fight. Aside from catching Brock in a ROOKIE mistake, Mir hasn’t looked good at all during any of the first two fights. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what a third fight would look like, since Brock isn’t going to make the same stupid ROOKIE mistake again.
Except....
“Talent wise give what to Mir?
Definitely not over Brock. That’s been proven”
How about when Mir made Brock TAPOUT? That looked like Mir’s technique over Brock’s strength and speed. LOL Keep pretending that that first fight never happened. LMFAO.
Why do you think that you have any ability to judge “talent”? Because you are a fan? LOL
And I NEVER said wrestlers aren’t going to be successful. Just that Brock is no more special than a group of other guys in the division. Keep missing the point.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
So why...
So why isn’t Bob Sapp a god? “…Bigger than anyone in your division= Massive advantage” …according to you.
Sorry martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.
Sorry, Gregg Jackso…er, jay (at least you thing you can judge talent like him). Brock hasn’t shown any MMA skill that Carwin, Lashley, or even Cain couldn’t equal. Deal with that.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Brock was Green in the first one
I think Frank would be in trouble if they fight again. Brock seems to be getting better with every fight. And i don’t think Bob Sapp has the speed or wrestling level as Brock. I think he played football in college?
You're embarrassing yourself, Dave
Seriously bringing up Bob Sapp as your only argument? Did I say every wrestler? I also said faster than everyone in your division. You can’t take any of the parts out of the equation just to suit your lame argument. Bob Sapp not being successful has WHAT to do with Lesnar?
Don’t take half of what I said and act as though I am wrong. I said “Good wrestling+Stronger than everyone in your division+faster than anyone in your division+Bigger than anyone in your division= Massive advantage.”
If you insist on quoting me get it fucking right. Brock improved on his sub defense and Mir was left with nothing. Nothing changes in the rematch.
I also didn't say I am good at scouting.
I said with Brocks natural abilities and his size, he will be successful in the UFC HW division. Can anyone argue that?
Again, if you insist on quoting me….GET IT FUCKING RIGHT!
"Brock hasn’t shown any MMA skill that Carwin, Lashley, or even Cain couldn’t equal. Deal with that."
Three good wrestlers who will be successful at some level. Thanks for the help Dave but I didn’t really need it.
Only difference between Brock and these three guys is speed and strength. But 2 outta 4 ain’t bad for ya.
sorry dave, but your'e full of it, stuck in an 80's kung fu movie
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.
And thats why we have weight classes! Put that in your sig Dave, its dumb dumb dumb.
Dave, who wins these matchups? Faber v Carwin, or how about Aoki vs Brock, Miguel Torres v Junior Dos Santos, Aldo vs Velasquez? And why?
Paniczoo reincarnated.
Thanks ziiiing
Sometimes I miss his stupidity in all of his psychobabble. Dave is probably about to start insulting you, and telling you he wrestled in college and it makes him smarter than you. Just thought you might want to be ready for it. Dave thanks for the gold of a quote.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Tell that to Hughes when he beat Gracie
Or Lesnar when he smashed Mir and Randy. OR…….We can do this all day.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
but...
The larger guys you listed are all trained fighters. So there is technique involved on both fighters in your example.
Who wins, Anderson or a 250 lbs. body builder at your local gym? Nice try.
Oh, and jay is about to tell you that he can see what others can’t see in judging fights, even though he has NO competition experience. And that he and he alone can properly evaluate fighters even without the benefit of their recent fights as a reference. He and he alone has that ability. I mean why would a fighters recent wins and losses show what he is capable of right Jay?
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
You seriously do believe that your TWO muay thai tourneys and your losing wrestling experience makes you smarter than me?
Laughable. I guess commentators on most sports channels have no idea what they are talking about either?
What does hands on experience have to do with knowledge? I can’t know what I see unless I wrestled(and sucked) like you did?
I’m willing to bet my left nut I have forgotten more about MMA than you will ever know.
You are jealous of Lesnar because he didn’t become some bitter loser on the internet after his college wrestling was done, like you did. Don’t be angry because Brock didn’t turn into a dick loser like you.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
It must suck to wrestle all that time
Having sweaty guys all over you, and end up with nothing to show for it. Seems like a waste of time to me. Unless of course you count the amateur Muay Thai tourneys you now excel in. Your parents must be really happy with the investment your schooling was. LOL
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
There you go again...
Challenging my BG. Do you have any hobbies other than beating off to your Brock posters. I have a college degree and work as a professional. And I did have a year of scholarship for wrestling. Go ahead and quit digging yourself a hole. Keep challnging my BG when your BG is the one that’s lacking.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Your wrestling in college for one year
Means you are smarter than everyone about MMA? Since that is your only argument, is it true? You wrestling in college makes you a smarter MMA fan?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Work as a professional janitor
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Great one...
Did you and the guys att the tire shop come up with that one all by yourselves?
What do you do for a living? Since YOU brought it up.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
I didn't say that...
period. You are trying to say I did, but I didn’t. You asked what my BG was, and I answered. That’s all. When I ask you BG, nothing. Brocksucker!
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
You said to me and Puck that you are smarter than us
ANd your reason behind it was, you wrestled and competed in a Muay Thai tourney. That is all you ever had. Why else would you think you are smarter than me?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
No...
I said I was smarter than you because you are a dumb shit. You have combined all of the parts of our arguments over the last few weeks in your little head.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Dumb shit?
I am smarter than you(you’re favorite line).
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
your right...
That because you watch fights, that means YOU and YOU alone, know more than everybody.
I guess that you know more about surgery than a doctor if you watch even a ton of surgeries on TV. Nope, your right, you know more than everybody…experience counts for nothing.
I have never said that I know more because I have some (extremely little) experience. YOU ARE THEY ONE WHO CHALLENGED MY background…when I stated it you keep saying “so I guess that means you know everything”. No I don’t but you keep bring up my BG when it’s your BG that is lacking. You sound like a little girl.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Striker, Striker did Brock kick your ass back in the day
His size, strength, speed, wrestling, determination and attitude is what makes Brock a good MMA fighter. Sapp is big but he’s a pussy that loses to MW fighters. What makes Brock so good so early is his ability to control were the fight takes place much like Barnett has been doing over the years Brock is able to do against anybody. I know you think Mir, Couture, Herring, NOG are nobody’s but really thats not true as NOG and Mir are both rated in the top five right behind Brock.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
Your comparisons make no sense
Jay gives an example of two trained fighters, supporting the fact that technique does not always overcome strength. You respond by saying it’s invalid because both are trained figters….but seem to think that one trained fighter against a noncombatant is more fair.
Also, change your sig it’s retarded.
"Maybe Mur is going through menopause and is retaining water"---Ubernoober
So why...
So why isn’t Bob Sapp a god? “…Bigger than anyone in your division= Massive advantage” …according to you.
Sorry martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.
Sorry, Gregg Jackso…er, jay (at least you thing you can judge talent like him). Brock hasn’t shown any MMA skill that Carwin, Lashley, or even Cain couldn’t equal. Deal with that.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
god, your f*cking stupid
You said size and strength makes him good. Sapp has those and sucks.
You keep saying that someone didn’t look that great in a fight…when they won. Sorry but prevailing is what matters. Mir looked great because he was able to weather the storm and prevail. Besides, do you take credit when your baseball team is ahead for eight innings but loses in the ninth? Do you go over and hi five your team mates and say “they didn’t look that good in that game.” Even though they won? LMFAO
Why do I reference Carwin and Cain, because they are about the same type prospect that Lesnar is. New, but won a handful of fights against gatekeepers and has beens. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they had won the same fights that Lesnar has…yet YOU GIVE BROCK all sorts of credit for doing something that other fighters can do as well. But keep believing that Lesnar has done more…LMFAO.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
I haven't brought up his record at all or the opponents he has faced
That was you…over and over and over. YES Brock was better in that first fight and got caught with a ROOKIE mistake, he isn’t a rookie any more. Keep hoping Mir will catch him in another weak ass sub. That’s your only hope for a win.
So you basically took one of the components of my equation and tried to prove me wrong? And I’m the “fucking stupid” one? I said all of these things together make him a can’t miss prospect. Not any one of the things alone, fucking imbecile.
You always read 3 words of a sentence and think you have the whole paragraph figured out. Your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired. Read what I said…I didn’t say that size alone makes you successful. I said Size, Strength, Speed and wrestling background will make Lesnar successful at MMA. Try to refute that you piece of garbage.
Prevailing is all that matters?
Ask Serra or Matt Hammill if they got the same respect as the people who they have wins over got. Handling someone like Mir in your first real fight(don’t count the Chinese guy fight as real) and losing because of the ref, is a good thing. No body is ever stopped and stood up for one shot to a turtling opponent without warning, except Brock. So, YES the ref won that fight for Mir.
You haven't even seen Cain or Carwin look good against a top 10 opponent
And you call me the scout? WOW You’re good.
What have I missed?
You can’t argue that if Carwin, Lashley, or Cain (all young former wrestlers) had done the same thing as Brock (1 win against a has been, 1 win against a never was, and split) that you would give them the same credit as Brock. Face it, you judge by a different standard. You just do.
I site facts and reasons why Brock is overrated and you always come back with his “talent and ability”. Sory Gregg jckson, since you have NEVER wrestled, trained, or competed a any level, i’ll give you the same amount of credit as a bum off the street that has a hard on for Brock. Sorry fanboy. you don;t know what your talking about so you try to say that I don’t. Fact is, I have seen all the fights and can say that Brock hasn’t shown anything that has impressed me anyone that a handful of other guys. You can’t argue that point, you don’t have the ability to.
Are you really comparing weathering a storm for a win a la Nog v Crocop or Mir v. Lesnar 1 to the win Matt Hamill got? LOL. Nice try. Keep highfiving your Brocksuckers for being ahead in a fight and then losing. LMFAO.
And I haven’t seen Brock against anyone that great, either. Herring….LOL, Randy now, sorry. A split with Mir…Mir’s not exactly unbeatable. Sorry.
BROCK TAPPED….not Mazzagatti. After the stand up Brock could have won but Mir did. YOU WILL NEVER WIN THAT ARGUMENT!
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Lashley would get killed by HH so drop his name if you want any credibility in this argument.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Right,
I keep forgetting that you have a crystal ball and can see the future. How the F*ck do you know who is going to win in future fights. LOL.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
By watching PAST fights.
And not reading wikipedia for all of my fucking knowledge. I know that you probably believe Lashleys win over Guida is good because it counts for a win. But I watched the fight and saw that Lashley is uncoordinated and slow and dumb.
None of those attributes are going to help mask the fact that his best feature(wrestling) is also a joke.
But hey, you got LAshley and I got Lesnar, we’ll see who ends up more successful in this game.
Good scouting on Lashley Dave…You’re fired.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
There you go with the I WRESTLED IN COLLEGE AND THEREFORE KNOW MORE THAN YOU
Go Fuck yourself loser how’s that? I don’t care if you wrestled in the 40Kg. college program, you’ll always be the same stupid piece of shit to me. Quit reading the record books and learn to judge a fight. Is it a coincidence that EVERY MMA PUBLICATION has Brock ranked second? Higher than that of your guys C and C. Why do you think that is? Because he has better tools to be successful then they do. You can’t dispute that. Shane has never fought anyone at the level of HH. So get off his nuts. He sucks.
There’s a huge difference between Brock’s DIVISION ONE CHAMPION wrestling and Shanes DIVISION TWO LOSER wrestling. And Cain? HaHa, what was he the JUCO champ? Or community college or something? Don’t compare Brock’s wrestling background with them, they aren’t on the same level.
It’s good that you haven’t seen Brock use any wrestling so far, because a couple of wrestling coaches were in a thread explaining the wrestling manoevers he used against Mir. I don’t know the names of the stuff he was doing(I always thought wrestling was for the guys who aren’t co-ordinated enough to play football), but he was definitely using wrestling technique. I guess you don’t know as much about wrestling as you thought, huh?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
you're the one
how said that I don’t have the ability to judge talent. So I stated by background…it turns out you are just a fanboy you over loves Brock.
“Because he has better tools to be successful then they do. You can’t dispute that.” Yes, I can. I can argue that there are plenty of guys who have the talent to beat Brock. What planet are you on?
“Don’t compare Brock’s wrestling background with them, they aren’t on the same level.” Missed again. Do you read? I didn’t say they have the same BG. I said they are all upcoming former college wrestlers. STOP TRYING TO READ SOMETHING MORE INTO WHAT I AM SAYING. Your love for Brock has blinded you from reading what people are saying.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
I am a GSP fan boy only and contrary to what you believe
I didn’t start watching MMA when Brock started fighting. I have seen which wrestlers dominate the sport. Brock is that type. Not D2 losers and definitely not Juco runner-ups.
Yes I can tell you Brock is a better wrestler than Cain, Lashley or Carwin.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
What planet
What planet are you on? I never said that YOU started watching MMa when Brock came over, just other guys who have say it. I take your word that you have been watching longer.
You are over compensating for being so wrong on other things and mis reading what I am saying time and time again.
“Yes I can tell you Brock is a better wrestler than Cain, Lashley or Carwin.”
How?
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Again...
" I know that you probably believe Lashleys win over Guida is good because it counts for a win"
you KNOW that huh? I don’t. I can state what i think.BTW, I never state what you are thinking, I only reply to what you say.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Records Dave. Since that is your sticking point in all of our arguments
A Champion D1 wrestler vs. D2 and JUCO. Hmmmm Who would I pick?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
It's funny
how often you miss the point.
They all won titles against who was put in front of them. Did they fight head to head? Are you a wrestling coach?
thought not.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
No Dave Carwin and Cain didn't win titles
That’s the point they weren’t even good enough to beat the guys that aren’t good enough to even wrestle Brock.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I thought I read that
Carwin won a division II title. I could be wrong though.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
No, Dave he did not
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Wow. MMA Nerd Alert!
Seriously though, jay, good work defending yourself against that idiot. Can’t say I read everything –
“Carwin, Cain, Lashley, Bob Sapp…zzzzzzzz "LMFAO, LMFAO, LMFAO… zzzzz "Carwin, Cain, Lashley, Bob Sapp zzzzzzzzzzz…-
but I certainly couldn’t argue with much that you wrote.
Nice finish by the way.
by Canucklehead. on Jan 19, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
lol...
That fight was fairly boring, not like jay vs drew$$$ yesterday……lol
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
There are not to many
fans that will sound intelligent trying to say Brock sucks. I agree a easy victory for jay in this debate.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
it's called entertainment
nobody out there is under the impression that it’s real, pointing out that it’s fake just makes you look stupid, like your shocked by that. Like you think you’re uncovering some kind of conspiracy. I for one used to watch it when I was a kid.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 20, 2010 6:43 AM EST up reply actions
Or he'll be better then ever
If you beleive that he wasnt 100% to begin with then beleive theres a chance he comes back better then ever. Even with the toll this took physically you have to beleive that mentally he is stronger then ever. Just like a qb sitting on the sidelines, he has gained experience simply by studying the sport. If he dosnt rush and comes back healthy then he could be more dominant then ever. At least i hope so. Mir’s gonna pull out the win over carwin and set up the most anticipated rubber match of all time…
"When they took away headbutts, I had to learn some skills." Mark Coleman
by DrewMoney$$$ on Jan 19, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
If he’s up and healthy, then there is no reason for him to not hit the ‘accept’ button on his Facebook page so he and I can officially be friends.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
I am going to speculate that he will have to start his training camp this next month and will be ready for summer. He needs to take off possible unhealthy weight he may have put on and get back his muscle bulk back so he may need an extended time. Lets hope for May-June to fight Carwin or Mir
Prediction
I think Brock will say he’s returning but not until the end of the year so he’ll vacate the title for now. That way when he returns he’ll get at least one tune-up fight against a middle level guy i.e. Cheick Kongo – who we all know Brock would destroy but who also isn’t a can – before he fights the top guy, whoever that may be at that time. The ailment Brock suffered from and a long layoff could have a pretty significant impact on him physically so I think that would make good sense. If the layoff turns out to be lengthy it could be bad for the UFC if he looks like crap and loses in his return to unify the title. I could be completely wrong but just a thought.
by Captain Ernesto on Jan 19, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Dana...
Dana creates the Drama of saying he’ll never fight agin…whcih was a stretch to begin with…and then they get free publicity and a dramatic story to tell pre fight about how he cheated death…bla, blah, blah…
let him fight the winner of velequez vs big nog
cause when mir beats carwin it not gonna look good if 2 out of his 5 wins would be against mir if he wins
MODERN MMA STARTED IN 1993
TO the guy that has been watching it for the last 20 years. no disrespect but what wus you watching old videos of 1900? jus a question. kuz i have every PRIDE,UFC,KING OF THE CAGE. AN Im TIRED OF WATCHING THOSE. haha not really but i would like to see some of those fights your talking about from “20 years ago”. i bet they are krunk. smh lier
Nobody has been watching MMA for 20 years
I once told FuckerDave I stopped watching wrestling 20 years ago, now he thinks I said I have been watching MMA for 20 years.
20 years ago
I was a big fan of Jean-Yves Theriaut (the genuine iceman!) Met him once. A true champion and gentleman.
Don't you remember the classic MMA of 20 years ago jay?
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
No
I was still a kid, watching wrestling. MMA hadn’t hit my continent yet, even though I know there was forms of MMA, I hadn’t heard of anything until UFC1.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I was a baby so you knew more than me haha
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Not any more
I think you lapped me. Much better at this game than I am. I can’t remember enough to be a good fan, like some of you dudes.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Haha I don't know that much, just look at how piss poor my Fight Night picks were
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
MMA is a game of chance
Anyone can win on any night. The fights you got wrong could have gone either way. These last couple events have had very competitive fights. Gambling on MMA has nothing to do with MMA knowledge.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
haha yea make room for the new well rounded MMA fans you old timers
david, you said your bdays comin up isnt it?
dude.....i am
2 days after 109 mate
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
enjoy it
mines friday. turning 20 doesnt really mean shit though. especially in America
dude.....i am
Yeah, 20s not that big of a deal
I’m looking forward to my 21st though, I’m planning on having some wild celebrations for it as well as a holiday in Vegas in time for one of the UFC cards there.
Have a good one too mate.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Again
" now he thinks I said I have been watching MMA for 20 years."
wrong…never said that. Is the whole word all about you?
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
I figured the stupid picture was about me
And that is where that dude got the 20 years idea.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
"And I wouldn’t be surprised if they had won the same fights that Lesnar has"
Your opinion isn’t worth anything Dave. You are willing to say Cain and Carwin are better than Brock without having fought ANYONE AT ALL. But get angry when people back Brock? What?
didnt say that either
Its becoming laughable that you keep misquoting me….
“You are willing to say Cain and Carwin are better than Brock”
Never said that.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
"Good wrestling+Stronger than everyone in your division+faster than anyone in your division+Bigger than anyone in your division= Massive advantage"
There’s what I said. Don’t pretend I only said “Bigger than anyone in your division= Massive advantage”.
Twisting words and misquotes. Are you sure you don’t work for the enquirer?
Speaking of twisting words....
“You are willing to say Cain and Carwin are better than Brock without having fought ANYONE AT ALL. "
I didn’t say they are better, I said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had the same record of the same four fights that Brock does. Keep trying.
And Jay, too bad advantages don’t win every fight. Example: Nog has the most experience against to HW ‘s in the division+ the arguably the best BJJ in the division+ is one of the most durable fighters in the division= huge advantage. But he doesn’t win all fights, neither does Brock. Try again.
You can try to argue unprovable points all you want….Brock hasn’t accomplished anything yet. He might some day, and I will give him credit, but until then, he is just another fighter.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Only difference being my equation is tried, tested and true.
Brock isn’t the first guy to be successful using my equation. It is a proven winner. I didn’t say Brock was going to win every fight. I only ever said he would be good at MMA with his skills, he is.
Nog’s equation might be better than Brock’s and it might even win him a fight over Brock, I didn’t dispute that point. I said anyone with the four pieces of the puzzle I gave has been successful. It would be hard not to be good when you are the biggest, fastest and strongest guy in every fight.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
I agree...
It COULD make him successful. HE HASN’T PROVED IT YET.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH?
Nice try on the signature. Do you not understand what martial arts is about?
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
I only quoted what you said
Strength and speed will never win a fight, does that about sum it up? You did say ALWAYS overcome. Did I miss anything, FuckerDave?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
No...
You misunderstood again….AGAIN.
“Strength and speed will never win a fight, does that about sum it up? " Nope. Never said that. Keep twisting words.
Some one with strength and speed with no talent against some with a reasonable martial arts ability will lose. Keep showing that you don;t understand basic concepts in this arguements
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Don't look so smart without the time to fact find and spell check
See what happens when someone posts a stupid sentence in their sig. without knowing what was said before or after it. Get how I feel about your sig?
Dave will say:yeah but mine isn’t what I meant and yours is.
You said it Dave and you meant it.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Funny you mention english
Because your posts are filled with spelling and grammatical errors. Should I not be the one asking you if they understand my language?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
"Your fucking stupid" that one made me laugh, never make spelling or grammatical errors when YOU'RE insulting someone's intelligence
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Got me on that one....LOL
Jay insists on responding to about 5 different threads instead on having a cohesive back and fourth so I have to type faster than I can edit. Good one David.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
I type and read fast.
Things you will learn at school, if you don’t spend your time rolling around on mattresses with sweaty dudes. Since wrestling never did you any good, you should have paid attention in classes?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Striker Brock has done nothing LOL.
Like I said Winning the undisputed UFC championship belt between Randy & NOG is a huge accomplishement one any fighter in the world would be proud of. Just because you say he hasn’t done anything doesn’t mean it true and the reason so many disagree with you. Yes your fighter might of took years to accompish this at such a high level. Yes those who train years and years in MMA and have yet cracked the top 50 HW or lets say even top 30 are invious of what they see as a WWE star do in less than a year! But most of those guys didn’t see Brock for who he was a hard working farm kid who wrestler and competeted almost his entire life with great athletisism and size to back up his skills.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
He’s the No. 2 HW in the world, the current UFC champ and has destroyed two multiple-time UFC HW champions. What exactly has he not proven?
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
Striker doesn't think Brock is a top five LOL
He has something against the man?
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
So are yours
Mine are typos…you have an error in thinking and logic.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
A whole thread of jay arguing with my namesake, I love it
Great way to end the night reading that argument.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
I hate arguing on this site
But it seems that is all anyone wants to do with me any more.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Jan 19, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's how
Jay got his expertise on how, he and HE ALONE, can judge talent.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Didn't say it was only me
I’m actually surprised you can’t see talent in Brock’s game. You must be abnormal or something. Even my 10 year old daughter knows Brock is a ’Big man who keeps smashing that poor Mir guy". Maybe you are just a little slow in the head?
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Sitting on the couch watching fights IS where MMA knowledge is acquired.
Not MMA ability, MMA knowledge. There is a difference between the two, and don’t confuse them again.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
maybe
It’s because you keep saying stupid shit.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Maybe because trolls like to bother people
And I don’t allow that to happen.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Okaayyyyy
Yeah, you’re trying to take the high road. LOl
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC." by Puck Head on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST
Ummmm....yeah.
"Records mean nothing when ranking a fighter" by jay. on Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM PST
Really? Wins and losses don't matter? What is the measure of success in sports?
"you can't convince the fedor lovers ....there is no use in trying , the best they can come up with is he beat big nog cro cop coleman... AA and sylvia " by TheDragon on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
Ummm...those are all former champions, a current Hall of Famer, and at least 2 future Hall of Famer's. What else does he need to do to prove himself...beat himself?
Did I start this or any argument?
You walked into this thread and started in with old arguments. I refuse to allow that. I will not be cyber-dissed by an angry, failure of a douchebag. It just won’t happen.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
Dave, can't say this has been fun.
But wasting time on you isn’t at the top of my ‘list of things to do’. Some other time. You can tell me all of the facts you find on Sherdog or Wiki. Wherever you get your knowledge from. I swear sometimes it would be easier to just open the damn page myself than argue with you about it.
Keep on being wrong, I’m done.
martial arts is about technique over size and strength. While strength and speed are great, technique will always overcome it.-FuckerDave 01/19/10
MORONS = jay + strikerdave
What is wrong with you two?
?
Get a life, dudes
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Nothing brings up the bickering and hate like a Lesnar thread…. except for a Fedor thread.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
Dave and Jay
If i gave you both 1,000 dollars each would you fight each other?
Good one, I'd pay to see that shit!!
New poll: Who wants to see Striker and jay go at it??
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Good lord
Looks like Brock caught a bad case of Tito Head.
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