Georges 'All Natural' St. Pierre talks about potential permanent move to middleweight (Video)
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Nate Marquardt
if Nate is consider the #1 contender, and Cote who wants his rematch, i can’t see GSP going ahead of them for a fight against Silva. He’s got a whole division to defend.
Nate will get the next title shot and he’ll probably lose. GSP will definitely get a shot at Silva before Cote does, especially after Cote’s performance last time.
I love me some Sexyama!
After Hardy
then move up to 185 for good… bring BJ up to 170 for good after he destroys Edgar, and Anderson Silva can go to 205 for good… then we will have 5 competitive divisions! I dont want to see GSP fight Silva, he’d get killed and I dont want to see GSP vs BJ again either, so everyone goes up and we’re all good!!
by PHISH NATION on Jan 17, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
by the way
his first fight at 185 should be vs Maia… I’d LOVE to see that
by PHISH NATION on Jan 17, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Can anyone tell me what he said? Cant view vids
I honestly dont think he should move up to middleweight. I would like to see him test the waters by taking a few fights at a catchweight against top 7’-20 UFC MW’-s in case I am wrong…but throw him in there with Anderson and he will get slaughtered! No doubt in my mind!
He said he would never fight Kang, Loiseau, Cote or Marquardt. Also he was talking about he would have to bulk up to over 200, then cut down to MW. Right now hes walking around at 193, which apparently is 8 more pounds then it was when he fought Alves. Nothing special or unexpected really.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
While he maybe a little shorter then the comp.
He has a longer reach then all the contenders with the exception of Anderson. Hendo and MArquardt have a reach of 74", Maia 72", Chael 74", Dan Miller 74", Franklin 76" Silva 77.6", and GSP has a 76" reach. So what he lacks in being 5’10" in a division mostly dominated by guys 6’1" or 6’2" he makes up for and actually has a longer reach then most, so those 2 inches just about evens itself out. He handled a much taller and lanky Fitch will almost no problem what so ever. I am also pretty sure he will the taller hardy as well.
This actually would liven up the divisions so much. I like what Phish said. have Anderson and GSP fight though, before Andy moves up to 205 permenantly. Then you can have GSP dominate MW and BJ can move up to 170. Thus making 155, 170, 185, and 205 all super competetive divisions again!
Completely agree Phish...
I don’t think Anderson, GSP or BJ have anymore real challenges at their current weight classes and believe they should all move up to see where they stand. Silva’s already shown that he can be the best at 205 and BJ has done well at 170 before. Curious to see what GSP can so at 185.
That was because Anderson wanted Hendo and Nate have a number 1 contenders match...
If memory serves me correctly…
Well George…you may want to stay at 170 because Nate the Great will be someone you would have to face if UFC brass has any say consideration in the matter especially if you do as well as you have at ww.. I wouldn’t worry about Kang or Lousseau..those guys are done in the UFC soon enough.. Also I think the whole A.K.A. “I won’t fight my bud” mentality needs to change and if not then don’t put yourself in a place where the fans may want it to happen or Joe Slva is going to recommend it the fight.. This is a business first… if you don’t have the heart to fight a friend then dont fight at all. Please don’t be a Matt Hughes and pick and choose your opponents.. Especially if this is a permanent move to 185.. I know Anderson Silva says the same things but atleast he can move up an down at will which makes it easier for him to be selective..but if your in 1 weight only then your options shouldn’t be there as to who you won’t fight!
Also I bet Penn isn’t a happy camper if this is what Gerogey plans to do!!!!
On the issue of fighting friends
GSP actually swayed me a bit there, I’ve always said that guys should just do it, be professional etc. probably because I’m a selfish fan and I want the fights I want. but the way he described it actually made me think, I wouldn’t want to permanently scar my friends face or do cerebel damage to somebody I have a good friendship with/train with, even if it was my job. If there was a way around it then I’d take it. fights between friends would never be good fights, because they would hold back, even if they didn’t mean to. They wouldn’t show the same level of aggression because it just goes against human nature to physically attack people you care about.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 18, 2010 4:28 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck em, make them fight!!
Would you hold back at work and not do your job to your full potential, just so you don’t upset your work-mates, hell no!!! If they ask me to fight my wife or my kids, then no, but imho it’s total bs this “I don’t want to fight my friend or training partner” garbage. Put up or shut up, there can only be one true champ and it’s all these guys job to be the best fighter, not best friends!! And fights between friends always turn out to be wars, well the ones i’ve seen anyway, cause neither opponent wants to live with the shame of losing to a friend or training partner that they have to see every day and know they lost to. If they lose their friendships afterwards, boo f’ing hoo!! I’m sure the bonuses will will cheer them up, No such thing as true friends anyways!!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Come on man
the mistake that alot of people make is forgetting that these guys are just human beings like you and me and they put themselves through extrordinary things. Yer fighting is their job, but it’s a pretty unique job, you don’t just turn up for a few hours then go home and not give a shit about it until the next time you’re in the office. It’s not just a job it’s their lives, it’s their flesh, blood and bone, literally!! No, I wouldn’t mind upsetting my work mates, but the equivelant for me would be talking to a client that I shouldn’t. not exactly the same as possibly having to inflict career ending injury.
Also, this whole highlander thing “there can only be one” as you put it… why? so that selfish fans like us can force men to do things that they don’t want to for our entertainment? At the end of the day if a fighter doesn’t want to take a fight, then he shouldn’t be forced to. Remember man, it’s just a sport and they’re just human beings, they do this for as long as, and to the point that they want to and they should have every right to refuse any fight. Obviously if you want a belt then you should have to fight all comers to keep it, or give it up,I don’t believe in picking and choosing title defences.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 18, 2010 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know SFK,
If I played, lets say for arguments sake, a game of bowling with my ‘best friend’ i’m gonna want to kick his ass, training with buddies, I wanna hit the pad a little harder, in work I wanna make myself as productive as possible and if it upsets colleagues then fuck em, why would anyone want to hold back or whatever the case when your goal in life is to be the best you can be, survival of the fittest and all that, You make a good point as usual SPK but this is jusy my opinion, Bottom line is if my ‘friends’ were in the way of me becomming the best eva, I guess the friendships wouldn’t last long!
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
Ever hear of the ego?
And there’s your ego speaking. I don’t understand the whole “I need to be the best”-mentality. Why isn’t it enough to just be happy? I mean, isn’t that the ultimate goal with being best. To satisfy your ego to the point that you get happy? :) I’ll just get around that and be happy first. Much easier.
I'm the nicest guy you'll meet peseg.
And i by no means have to satisy my ego.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
In every day life I am humble and all the rest...
The last part of my post was hypothetical, you understand?
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
You never hear a NFL player ask to sit out a game because his team is playing against his former team, and he doesn’t want to hurt any of the guys he used to play with.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful
There is quite a bit difference between
Playing against your buddy who you may tackle a few times vs laying some serious elbows or potentially an arm bar which would be much more devastating than a tackle.
You only say that because you in fact are a GSP hater. Admit it.
by hairybumcrack on Jan 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
All Ego's aside, don't you want to be the best at whatever you do?
Even if it is just for personal gratification. If you are a chef is your ultimate goal not to give that diner the best taste experience possible? If you are a writer isn’t your goal to write the best article possible or take the reader to highest level of their imagination? If you are in sales, you ultimate goal is to sell the most cars, houses, meds, or shoes that you can sell to the best your performance allows you to. If you are a father or a mother don’t you want to be the parent possible to make sure your children succeed? In sports, it is all about competition! Professional athletes are not happy with second place and any athlete that tells you that is full of it. The whole point of sports is being number 1, not just being happy. Yes their is personal fulfilment in saying “Yes I make a living by being a pro baseball, football, or race car drive, boxer!” but ultimatly as a pro athlete you want the championship ring, the world title, the biggest trophy, and the best numbers possible. That is what drives sports. I am not sure how long you would last in pro sports just being happy.
That's fair enough tkkpal
I agree with you in general I just think that fighting is an exception to that rule, for instance if I’m bowling, then yes, I’m going to want to win and win well. and at the end of it, even if he took the smashing of his life in the bowling match, we can both walk away at the end of it exactly the same as we did at the start, even if he is a little pissed. But with fighting, the stakes are so much higher, your friends face might never look the same again, might not walk the same, might be out for a year and not earn any money for a year, he might just be that little bit slower. It’s one thing to do that to a stranger whom agreed to fight you, but it’s another to do it to a friend you’ve been forced to fight. I guess that you’re the kind of guy who wouldn’t be troubled by that, nothing wrong with that, but GSP obviously is troubled by that and I don’t think he should be forced to carry it out. I guess we can’t agree on everything tkkpal, but that’s what keeps it interesting!!
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 18, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
The worst thing on this site is your either one way or another...
It’s very hard to explain your thoughts in a short post without people instantly casting dispersions on you. I truly am a nice guy and would do anything for anybody but not if it gave them the opportunity to get one up one me. I can’t even explain it properly now without digging a bigger hole for myself so i’ll stop now.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
it's cool tkkpal
I believe that you’re a nice guy. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. I wasn’t trying to get on your case or anything. I won’t judge you!
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 18, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
It's cool dog.
Cheers anyway, I can tell by your posts that your a decent bloke yourself.
SPK, SPK, SPK, ……………lol
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
I disagree with both of you.
I liken it to: if it was your job to fire people you wouldn’t want to fire your friend if you had any Choice. That is understandable but I also don’t agree with the statement that these guys shouldn’t be forced to fight. They have the right to say they would rather not fight, but at the end of the day it’s their job and they have to get past it. Just like any other job.
Do not. I repeat, do not, go to mma-core.com. I made the mistake of watching a couple UFC 108 bouts on there and I am still trying to get all the viruses of my computer. Ridiculous! You've been warned.
by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jan 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
soooo...
you understand that you wouldn’t fire (fight) your friend if you had any choice and also say that fighters shouldn’t be forced to fight each other and have the right to say no. On what level do you disagree with me?
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 18, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Re: face mightnot look the same and so on...
That is with any contact sport. Football players can put a hit on a former teammate that may render him paralyzed or break a leg just as if not more easily then an mma match. Some of these players putting on these big open field hits when someone is in the air are brutal. They hit QB with the force of a Yugo going full speed! Contact sports all have thier risks and at somepoint you face a former teamate, a friend, or in some cases a family member. Same for hockey when they go full force into the boards. Any play could be thier last. It is the nature of the beast. These are grown men fully aware of what could happen. Sorry if you feel I am picking at your post I just had a lot to say about it. I do understand where you are coming from I just think it is part of the business.
there's one crucial thing that you're missing here
you said
Football players can put a hit on a former teammate
Contact sports all have thier risks and at somepoint you face a former teamate
GSP is talking about current team mates, as am I. I’m talking about a guy that you see and spa with and train with on an almost daily basis.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 18, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
understood but their are long term friendships involved would you not agree?
Well I am off to work, thanks for the great back and forth…I do get your point and theirs. I just have a hard time with the idea. =)
cool Da Monkey
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 18, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
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what an inspiring paragraph..
i like your style!~
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Jan 18, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
~^^~
that was directed at tkkpal, above..
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Jan 18, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
Cheers stinky.
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
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what, are you trying to get all friendly with me just to stabb me in the back?
lol~ j/k
cheers, buddy.
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Jan 18, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
lol, see what I mean now, i'll never be trusted after my post above!!
Very hard to make your point without giving the wrong impression. This site should be like skype or something so you could explain yourself properly without having to write an essay that just confuses your thoughts even more. lol
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
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lol.
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Jan 18, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
knowing my friends....
We would have no problem competing. Hell most of my friends would throw on the gloves for free just to see where one another stand, let alone getting paid for it. Friendship or not it is a business. Football players hit their friends just as hard as they would hit someone they don’t know when competing. Friends open the same kind of business in the same city or town knowing very well one might fail, while the other may flourish! If you and your friend worked at a real estate firm would you not take clients knowing that your friend has not sold any houses in a long time? Business is business. We all have a job to do and most of us choose our jobs. If you choose to be a fighter then you should fight all those that are in front of you friend or stranger. I wrestled and competed in many full contact karate tournaments against friends and that was for a trophy, let alone $100k. For a $100k if my friend kicked my teeth in or gave me a scar on my forehead so be it, it comes with the territory.
Yeah, for you and your buddy maybe
but GSP and mardquardt already have money in the bank and don’t need it as bad as you, not that I know anything about you, but I doubt that you and your friend have as much money as GSP nor the capacity to earn it. As for your real estate example, as I already said “Yer fighting is their job, but it’s a pretty unique job, you don’t just turn up for a few hours then go home and not give a shit about it until the next time you’re in the office. It’s not just a job it’s their lives, it’s their flesh, blood and bone, literally!!”
I’m sure you can grasp the difference between stealing a client from someone you sit in the same office as and physically attacking somebody that you literally roll around with all day.
Also if you have fought in Karate tournaments, then I’m sure you’ll appreciate the differences between that and pro MMA. Any Karate tournament that I’ve ever been involved with works on a points system as soon as one of two kinds of strike lands cleanly, there is a break and a point awarded, something along those lines anyway, I’m not claiming to be an expert. but it’s nothing like a 15 minute MMA fight and the amount of damage that can be absorbed isn’t even comparable. I too don the gloves and gum shield on a sunday morning and spa with a friend, but never with the aim of hurting him.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 18, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
P4P BEST!!
The best p4p fighter ever!!! Its obvious he has the skills but will they just be 2 big for him? Time will Tell….. War GSP.
GSP is definitely the p4p best
"Matt Hughes and his brother used to pound each other out behind the barn."
-The legendary Mike Goldberg
Gotta disagree...
Anderson Silva moves up a weight class and still destroys people. GSP doesn’t even finish people anymore in his own weight class. Anderson Silva can whenever he’s not board by the opponent and doesn’t feel like toying with them. BJ at 155 looks more impressive than GSP at 170… GSP hasn’t even shown that he can move up a class and beat top guys like BJ and Silva have! So no, GSP is NOT the P4P best. I’d put him above Fedor though cause what top guys has he fought lately. AA and Tim weren’t ranked as high as some made them out to be and the fact that they lost quicker to lessor opponents right after Fedor shows this.
GSP beats on people that r smaller then him. He cant trump Fedor on a p4p list cause he always gives up at least 15 lbs to his opponents!
Best WW of all time for sure, I just think he wont be as succesful giving away 15 lbs against MW, and when a guy like Fedor always gives away 15 lbs, and has beaten EVERYONE. Never bout in his own hype. Never underestimated everyone (cough GSP/Sera)….he cant possibly get the nod over Fedor…or BJ Penn and Dan Henderson.. Sakuraba is on the all’-time best P4p list 4 sure IMO!|
sakaraba?
dude he lost to wanderlie 3 times. Fedor I agree 33-1 or whatever with a loss by cut should be undefeated but he also has a total BS win over Arona. Fedor lost that fight.
GSP could fight who at 185? Wandy? Belfor? nope just stya at 170 and be the best WW ever.
listen.
P4P is about all around skill and technique, GSP relies too much on his size and wrestling for him to be counted as the p4p best he needs to improve standing and on the ground to get to the point where he’s finishing fights on a constant basis. He is not close to Fedor and Anderson Silva on that list even if him and BJ are holding the spots right behind them and a year from now Shogun will probably be on that list as he’s great.
Giampaolo hope you were joking with Dan Henderson and Sakuraba haha.
fresh like uhh.
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p4p has nothing to do with all around skill & technique.. granted all the p4p fighters are well rounded it’s not a top credential that you need to have to be on the p4p best list..
p4p means you are the best fighter in your respected weight divison[pound for pound, get it?]..
if you want to break down who is the best out of the all the p4p fighters, you would have to take one top fighter from each divison, then pick who “runs” their division better.. it doesn’t matter if they go up in weight and fight! andersons fights at 205 count as lhw fights, not mw.. bj’s ww fights don’t count on his lw p4p resume..
imo- there is no debate who the hw. mw, ww & lw p4p champs are.. fedor, anderson, gsp and bj are all easily the best in their respected classes.. lhw hasn’t had a legit p4p best since chuck liddle was champ..
imo- gsp is the best at dominating his division, he is the best p4p fighter.. it really is close, and there is an argument to be made for all four fighters, but i feel ww is and has been, the most competetive divison forever..
mw has never had depth like the ww division but andy is undefeated.. bj has only lost one lw fight ever and has defended his belt 3 times finishing all fights.. fedor is,… well, he’s fedor.. forget a title, beating fedor is worth 100 belts.. see a case can be made for all, but in the end imo- i feel gsp has never had an easy fight[on paper] but he always makes it look to damn easy.. ww has always had depth and gsp’s resume looks like the top10 ranking list for the last 5 years..
sakuraba? sak is the focking man!~ A living LEGEND!~ one of my favorite fighters of all time, but he is nowhere near top p4p.. war sakurabababababa!~
i am the mighty tighty whitey and im smuggling plums!~
by stinky~fingers on Jan 18, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions
when I mention Sakuraba n Henderson, I am not talkking at the current moment...Im talking All Time P4p List!
everyone interprets p4p different…my interpretation of it is fighters that are successful at multiple weight classes. and if you move UP from your natural weight class…thats a plus…
So when I think all time p4p…I think guys like
Sakuraba (always gave away a lot of weight)
Henderson (champion in 2 divisions)
Fedor
BJ Penn is very high on my list
Anderson Silva
Maybe you don't know what P4P means then johnny?
Because what you just described has nothing to do with P4P.
Maybe what you meant was a favorite fighters list.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC. "-Puck Head, LOL.
No doubt going up and winning increases your P4P john but
it’s not everything. It comes down to many things and some is opinion based wich is why not it’s not exact science. Take Silva for example yes he can fight in two weight classes but has always had a weight advantage as a MW and is just as big or bigger than any LHW fighters and has yet fought for the belt ? So pound for pound doesn’t really add by your reasoning john. Now BJ penn yeah it doe add the fact that he is pretty much untouchable at LW and can beat a large majority of the WW even though he gives up weight adds too his P4P. henderson at one time was on the P4P list but in the UFc lost in both classes. Anyway GSP is dominate in his weight class with the #2 to five ranked WW in the world in his division and was out sized by 15+ pounds against Alves the #2 or #3 ranked WW on everyones boards. Fact is P4P really means sh^t as there is no way of telling 100% if Silva shrunk to a 155 pound fighter who would win between him and BJ?
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
Sakuraba is one of the greatest, if not the greatest mma legend of all time.....
but I wouldn’t put him on the “all time best P4P list”. Saku is my absolute favorite fighter of all time and I would absolutely agree with you if you said that he is the best greatest ground fighter ever in MMA, but some of his other MMA skills, namely his striking and striking defense, were too lacking to warrant him a place on the all time P4P list.
by ScissorSweep on Jan 18, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
They will definatly be too big for him, hes 5’10" 193 walking around… anderson is 6’2" 215 walking around.. thats a biiiiig differece. I am 6’1" 190 and when I met anderson he was aloooot bigger than me. Stay at 170 GSP.
If he can win in spite of that is the question. You say no, let’s see how GSP answers that. As someone pointed out Fedor routinely takes out guys taller, bigger, and stronger than him. Anderson fits in at 205 he’s not really fighting guys bigger than him. I think I agree with your assessment though because GSP has trouble finishing top WW’s let alone top MW’s.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jan 18, 2010 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Everybody wants to see GSP vs Silva, but are there really that many other fights we just have to see with GSP in the MW division? I dont think so, especially if he wont fight a guy like Marquardt. There’s Belfort and Alan Belcher left. It’s not worth the move.
As far as GSP vs Silva, Silva is the favorite in that fight, for obvious reasons, but GSP has the ability to take Silva down and use his wrestling to beat him. In my mind, that fight is a toss up. If it stays on the feat, Silva wins, but I could never say that I believer Silva could keep GSP from taking him down. His takedowns are the best in the game. GSP would get him down. But, we will never know, because it will never happen.
They’re just destined to be co-Pound-for-pound best fighters in the world.
Don't Do it.
I don’t think there’s the same amount of interest in this fight anymore. Silva is too big for him. Stay at 170 and become the greatest welterweight champion of all time.
i dunno
i love gsp..but fighting is his job..and you had better fight whom ever is in front of you like you would fight to win..not hold back..being that i am not a fighter i can’t understand the hesitation cuz if you believe in your skills you use them against each opponent regardless of your history..it is what he is paid to do and what i assume he trains to do..he should not move up if he has already put these blocks in front of him..
He's not fighting only to fight...
He fight to be the best. .. and those blocks are things who go against him if he move up…
That’s the difference.
The point is
GSP is not looking to be a MW champ at any cost. He doesn’t care about a piece of leather and gold bad enough to smash his friends faces. By moving up, he’s bringing the UFC more money by doing what everyone’s been askin’ for, so there’s no way Dana forces him to fight his friends.
At AKA it’s a little different. They have 3 top WW who won’t fight eachother. I would be ok with 2 guys, but not 3.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
GSP was spot on with everything that he said here
He’s going to be smart about moving up in weight and isn’t just going to go up for the sake of it or before he’s had a chance to put on the weight correctly. He is a true mixed martial artist and a true athlete, that is why he is one of the greatest of all time and is the greatest WW of all time. He’s been more dominant than even Hughes and done so in a more competetive division.
GSP is also right when he says that he’s not going to fight a friend, why should he? MMA is a violent sport and you have to be motivated to beat up your opponent, you can’t hesitate against them and there is no way that you could face a long-time training partner without hesitating to hurt them or finish them off. There is no need for the best guys to face their training partners and the fans and management shouldn’t try to force them to. The team aspect of MMA is huge and being loyal to your friends and teammates should be applauded not scorned if we truly are fans of these guys. As I’ve said before I find it difficult watching my favourites face each other, nevermind what it must be like for teammates and coaches to be involved in a fight between 2 close friends. These fights should only ever happen if it involves the best 2 guys in a division fighting for the belt, otherwise it’s not worth the hassle as I bet that the fights wouldn’t be that good anyway as nobody would go in for the kill against a friend and we’d just see 2 tentative guys refusing to engage.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Not True
Fighting your friends isn’t hard at all, me and my best friend beat the shit out of each other on a regular basis just for shits n giggles. I also fight for a small promotion up in Canada and in my 4th fight I had no problem smashing my close friend and training partner in the face & then submitting him for the win! We actually got excited about fighting each other so we could prove which one of us was better in front of an audience :p
Every fighter has a plan until he gets hit
Junie, Is that you??
Tito Ortiz: I think Chuck's lost a step, maybe i've lost a step also, but that's what makes the fight so exciting!
lol
Junie doesnt have friends to fight.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Nor a computer nor the intellect to use one
If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I'd probably just start calling out letters.
tkkpal, LOL, nice.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
There are only a handful of top camps out there and a lot of these guys are running in the same circle. Traveling together etc. Too many will try to play the friend card. Dana is running a business and can not allow this. What would TUF do if they applied this logic? The team aspect is a big deal as is the loyalty fighters have for their country. Hell, some of these guys are actually family. But if they are professionals this should not get in the way.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jan 18, 2010 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
GSP is basically sayin he shouldn't do it.
GSP has some good reasons why he shouldn’t do it, but I really don’t like the “I won’t fight my friends”…. I understand it… but I don’t like it….. After hearing all that, GSP should just stay at 170lbs and make good $$$ while successfully defending the title for many years.
193!!!!!!
Damn I used to wrestle in high school, and cutting 23 pounds if fucking ridiculous!!! 23 pounds!!!! Is anyone else not blown away by this?
Fuck you! I'm an ANTEATER!
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure when fighters say they walk around at x amount of weight, that’s before a 8-10 week training camp. By the end of that camp, they’ve probably dropped a significant amount of bodyfat. I don’t think GSP is cutting 23 pounds of water. It might be possible, and I definitely think guys at the LHW and HW level are cutting that much or more water, but this was always my interpretation of what a fighter meant when he says he walks around at a x amount of weight.
by Pantherhare on Jan 18, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
whynot6891
1 yr I cut some serious weight in college, I think GSP’s walking around weight is different from the weight he fights at on fight nite… he’s probably about 185lbs which is different from walking around weight a couple of days later at 193. There’s very little sodium in his body to hold the water back through a perfect diet. Plus these fighters have the benefit of an IV the night of to effeciently recuperate. Sounds like GSP is at the heaviest he’ll ever be for 170, any heavier and he’ll be looking at 185lbs.
maybe 20 pounds isnt the norm , but there is alot of fighters doing that or more. Thiago avles cuts at least 25- 30 also
The bigger ur the more u can cut
A. Silva probably weights about 195 night of fight… an upperweight like forrest can cut a lot to get to 205lbs.. fight night he’s probably 230 lbs. I once knew a 200 lbr that would lose 10 water weight in a practice, he was sloppy wet.
Anderson vs Vitor April 10th
now we have BJ vs jabroni and Anderson vs Vitor on the same card also Renzo vs Hughes.
I can see him doing it
Well, as we all know GSP will wanna fight the best in the world. He walks around at 190ish. If he gained around 7-10 pounds and cut from there he could compete with most and slowly pack the pounds on. It can happen and if GSP wants too he could
IF
he decided to move up, fight Bizzping first. That would make a shite load of $, and would be a decent first test to see how he handles the bigger guys. Im a little conflicted on whether or not i want to see this, positives and negatives both ways. I have heard Maia is heading to 170. If thats the case I would like GSP to stay there and fight Maia. But, if BJ moves up to 155 after Edgar, I want GSP to move up as well.
vsp move up?
nah. not today.maybe when the spider will move up to lhw
this aka stuff is killing it for me
the ufc will break off into teams in a minute. not really but like machida dad said we want to see who the best is not the best team. an we cant do that if all the fighters are holding hands and playing red rover. in the words of big john “LETS GET IT ON”
by BigDickChainey on Jan 18, 2010 12:26 AM EST reply actions
Big John Sucks and I HAAAAATE him
Herb Dean and Mario Yamasaki are way better
by ScissorSweep on Jan 18, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Dean and Yamasaki.
Are by far the first two id want if i was taking a fight. Big John is pretty damn good too, i think if you wanna hate someone, hate Miragliotta hahaha, that guy couldnt referee an arm wrestling match, let alone a fight.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Herb Dean is the best of the bunch, but...
I have one pet peave with him…i hate the way he stops fights. He goes in crotch first and waves both hands in the air. Most of the time the fighters throw in a few extra strikes not knowing the fight’s been stopped.
Tito interviewing Babalu: "I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring."
Tito interviewing Fedor: "Let me tell you how you feeling right now?"
HI don't understand the hate.
GSP is a world class mixed martial artists, He clearly enjoys challenges and having his abilities challenged/tested. He’s at 193lbs right now and if he beats Dan Hardy at UFC 111 what is left for him in his division? a rematch with Josh Koscheck ( who deserves another crack) but, then we’d be creating people to appear to be challenges like WWE does for its ppvs with relative unknowns. I think after this fight we will see a lengthy break for GSP unless someone gets a marketing push. He’s 193lbs he may need to pack on 10lbs at most then cut to 185lbs
I have no problem with GSP not fighting his friends at 185
Those guys aren’t the fighters that the fans want to see him fight anyway. And if you have a name like GSP then im sure that the UFC wouldn’t make him fight one of these guys. Everyone wants to see him fight Anderson. So give him a couple tests at 185 and if he wins these. Then make the super fight! And make the card huge. Add some other sick fights on this card. And the ppv would break records for the UFC.
Alves is also another fighter that can easily move to MW
Alves is the only fighter I see having a decent chance of beating GSP. Yes he got schooled the first time but remember he is younger just like Hughes schooled GSP their first fight. So before GSp moves to MW I would like to see him face the winner of Alves and Fitch if he wins that one then it’s time to make the move.
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
People think I'm crazy but...
I actually think GSP has the perfect style to beat Anderson SIlva. And I think he has all the tools to pull it off. Give 2 fights at middleweight to let his body get used to that weight then let ’em fight. Heck I give Bones Jones a heck of a chance at beating Silva by next year.
Calu
This is what I would like to see
I think he should fight Bisping first just because he’s a big name and it’s a sure win in my eyes, plus I would love to see Bisping get crushed again then i would like him to fight the big strikers like Wandy, Vitor, then of course The Spider
by bubblebeejackson on Jan 18, 2010 6:37 PM EST reply actions
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