Scott Coker: Gilbert Melendez vs Shinya Aoki possible for 'second quarter' of 2010
by Jesse Holland on Jan 14, 2010 3:31 PM EST
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"The flipping off of (Hirota), I didn't really like that. I saw the arm break and it didn't make me feel good but the opponent could have tapped too. I think it was probably right on that line and he didn't want to tap and Aoki was pushing and pushing and the arm broke and it's unfortunate but it's not the first time in this sport that someone has broken an arm in an armbar. The gestures afterward were unnecessary, but does that stop me from having the thought of him fighting Gilbert Melendez? Absolutely not. I think Gilbert and him would be a great fight and it goes back to the sport. MMA is a sport and these guys should fight each other. Gilbert should fight the DREAM champion and our other weight classes should fight their other weight classes. Let's do it. There's been dialogue back-and-forth and I was told in the second quarter I would have access to Aoki."
Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker reacts unflinchingly to the gruesome antics of Shinya Aoki following his performance at FieLDS Dynamite!! -- instead focusing on a potential champion vs. champion super fight across promotions that would pit his own Gilbert Melendez against the Japanese superstar. "El Nino" recently unified the Strikeforce 155-pound title in an exciting war with Josh Thomson at "Evolution" late last year and is expected to defend it on the upcoming Strikeforce/CBS card in April 2010. Will the "Tobikan Judan" answer the stateside call? Or choose to hide overseas ala Alistair Overeem?
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sweet
Kendall vs Munoz too at 112
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
i think im losing it….
Kendall Grove/Mark Munoz?
MW/LHW??
The Good Die Young
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jan 14, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Munoz dropped to 185 for his last fight
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
I like Kendall and hope he does well
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
I liked Kendal
But really don’t anymore. The Tito grave digging thing I think did it for me! Munoz is a beast at 85. this is a good fight, this card is looking amazing. I read they are building an arena/stadium just for this event!
agreed
185 lbs.: UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort*
Main card (Televised):
155 lbs.: UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn vs. Frankie Edgar*
170 lbs.: Matt Hughes vs. Renzo Gracie*
185 lbs.: Kendall Grove vs. Mark Munoz*
And with a little luck it’ll stay like that and only get better
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
yep 109...Serra takes it via dec...Serra's tough to finish and Trigg isn't
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
RNC no doubt...Trigg's white whale
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
If by KO, you mean...
Aoki by a sick submission, then I agree.
"We know only one thing about this guy. That he ate a croissant for breakfast this morning." - Bas Rutten on a new french fighter.
yes in Aoki language KO=Sub
The Good Die Young
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jan 14, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
oh thats right, good lookn out
The Good Die Young
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jan 14, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions
What happens if
Aoki wins, goes back to Japan with the belt and doesn’t come back
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
thats the prob with cross promoting
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
Hah, did you just answer yourself?
Yeah, apparently they didn’t learned their lesson with Overeem. Regardless though, I’d love to see this fight. Aoki by middle finger rd 4
by HappyLittleTreez on Jan 14, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
he will
camp out with overeem and laugh while smoking cuban cigars
HI YAH!
by Thats It For you! on Jan 14, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Probably a contractual clause (like UFC) where there an automatic extension if you're champion?
so he could go to japan but have to retun to defend his belt for as long as he keeps winning?
The Good Die Young
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jan 14, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions
first off
If he goes back to Japan it doesn’t really matter what the contract says (ask Overeem), also he’s a dream fighter anyways, and will be on loan to strikeforce. Second, Melendez trains in a good BJJ camp and has way better stand up, I think it’s a really good match up!
Agreed, this is a fantastic match-up
El Nino has a very good chance of winning this and SF aren’t going to lose their belt if Aoki wins by any means, he wouldn’t be fighting for SF period if he had no interest in defending their title on their shows. This is an example of why co-promotion works as without it this dream match would never have happened, same with Diaz-Zaromskis and Lawler-Manhoef.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
very true
I think UFC’s stance is they have the majority of top talent so they don’t NEED to cross promote as much as other organizations have to to get great match ups. I mean look how easy the last strikeforce was to predict (other than Smith/Le) when they don’t have much Japanese talent on the show
I don't want to get into this arguement with anyone again but
I agree David. Cross pro-mo works if you need it…the UFC doesn’t need it.
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
I agree that the UFC don't need it but if cross-promotion helps the smaller promotions put on stacked cards then I'm all for it
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
Everybody knows
the UFC as a business does not need to cross promote as they are completely self sufficient and are the biggest and best MMA org in the world. They make money that other organizations only dream about. If you want to make a point of proving that your fighters are better than all the other orgs fighters as Dana often talks about, then that can really only be done in one way. Just like thousands of others I am pretty content to watch UFC fighters only fighting UFC fighters, but without doubt I as far as the sport of MMA is concerned, I couldn’t see anything better than the best of one org fighting the best of another.
if he’s “on loan” to strikeforce and were to win the belt would he not be obligated to defend it?
then again youre right, same situation with Overeem.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jan 14, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
he'd be "obligated"
but how can u force him? and to strip him only makes your belt look less legitimate!
I've been waiting a long time for this fight
Finally El Nino-Aoki is going to happen, this should have taken place in Pride so it’s great that Coker is making this dream fight happen.
I’ve got Melendez by UD, I think that his striking and wrestling will be too good for Aoki and he won’t allow the BJJ master the chance to get this fight to the ground. El Nino has never looked better and is ready to prove to the world that he is an elite LW. Plus Aoki won’t be used to fighting in a cage or in the US and that could set him back.
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique."
Anderson Silva on why Wand is going to smash Bisping. Get ready to lose your dignity frosnt.
I wanna see bj Penn vs shinya
That should make Aoki humble, and not so disrepectful.
by Jesse13 on Jan 14, 2010 4:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
in reality
Melendez could do the same (but he couldn’t touch Penn). Fact is Aoki will be small here in the states!
small size wise??? I agree...he doesn't even cut to my knowledge
I like to Aoki/Huggy just to see what the difference is
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
Aoki is pretty lanky and was a decent size WW in that tourney last year.
I think Melendez will try to KO him seeing how he has a bit of a glass chin, then he’ll quickly realize that Aoki doesn’t get fight to the mat in the most conventional way.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 14, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see him fight frankie/tyson
see how he fairs against a wrestler. better yet let gray lay on him for 3 rounds, see how good his jitz really is.
pwilson
Some other lw fights I'd like to see.
Sanchez vs Florian, Sherk vs Stevenson, Maynard vs Miller, Griffin vs Gomi.
Wouldn't mind
Seeing Gilbert grab an arm and doing some damage. Aoki’s last fight was BS.
Remember when he tried to avenge his unan dec loss to hayato sakurai at dream 09?
Then loses AGAIN by getting kneed in the temple when he was all fours. That shocked me… Considering he’s only lost 4 times.. I guess sakurai has his number
by Jesse13 on Jan 15, 2010 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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