Yoshizo Machida: My son 'must' fight Anderson Silva
by John G. on Jan 12, 2010 9:45 AM EST
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"There is only one champion, so I believe this fight must happen. It's a professional issue, and I believe they can fight. Deep down, everyone wants to know who is strongest. Friendship is friendship, but they're not amateurs. The eventual winner isn't my concern. What matters to me is how they win, and their strategy. This would be a mental battle."
Yoshizo Machida, father and master of current UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Lyoto Machida, echoes sentiments made by Dana White that a friendship should never stand in the way of the quest to discover who is the true king of mixed martial arts. Of course an eventual superfight between "The Dragon" and "The Spider" would be a fanboy's dream, but there is some unfinished business between Machida and Mauricio "Shogun" Rua that needs to be resolved this May before any talk of Machida vs. Silva can be taken seriously. And is there a chance the student would defy his master and refuse?
(Edited and promoted from a FanPost by John G.)
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I love u Yoshizo and you John lol
Fuck mayweather – pacman – if this fight ever gets going it will be the biggest hyped and best fight EVER!!!!! been wanting it for years finally glad to see a glimmer of hope in terms of them fighting!
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by Randy for Couture on Jan 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
won't matter much if Shogun wins though
"He is gonna find out who Ken Shamrock is, was, and is now!"
-Ken Shamrock
Thanks John!
But don’t you mean “WHEN” Shogun walks away from the rematch with the UFC LHW belt around his waiste?! lol
I think anderson is technically superior compared to both. Chews them up standing.
They would have to try to get it done on the mat. Shogun i would give the best chance there even though Machida is the more proven grappler nonmma competition wise.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 12, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Machida'-s pop also says:
“I introduced Lyoto to daily training at an early age. Anderson was born like that, but Lyoto wasn’t. Therefore, it took a lot of studying, training and hard work to improve, while Anderson is naturally like that… I really like Anderson. He didn’t train Karate, but knew it instinctively. Standing switches, stances, how to use his waist, moving with purpose as he advances and backs away, dancing without getting hit. The future of MMA isn’t who can take more punishment, but the one who leaves with a clean face. Many fights are pure slugfests, but people don’t see things ten years into the future.”_
He also talked about Lyoto’s bout against Shogun:
“_ A vital part of Lyoto’s game, since his power comes from the legs, and Shogun killed his leg. At any rate, the experience was good for us, since we’d never dealt with adversity. Karate also has its weaknesses, but no one had seen them up until now. Shogun exploited them, and deserves congratulations. That’s exactly what I told him after the fight when he was crying, pissed that he didn’t win. Lyoto did his weight training and is a very strong fighter. A different fighter would’ve gone down in the third round.”_
“_ Had Shogun fought as he normally does, with his arms, Lyoto would’ve knocked him out in the first or second round. We did not expect him to kick that much and neglected the karate defense, which is different from the muay thai defense. Before the kick, you move up and stop the attack. We already planned a different strategy for next time, studying everything.”_
Great analysis from Yoshiza
This is why I’m confident that Lyoto will win the rematch, Yoshiza knows that Lyoto made mistakes and that Shogun performed exceptionally, he’s not taking the first fight for granted and is going to help his son improve his defence and come into the rematch better prepared. It’s always great when a trainer accepts his trainees weaknesses and looks to improve on them. I can’t wait for the rematch, I’ve got Machida by UD (this time deserved).
""Blow me, f**kface. Go to hell. I’m sick of you."
Liverpool director Tom Hicks Jr. to a Liverpool fan. And I thought Dana was bad...
nah, shogun will win!
Shogun is still trying to get back into top form. He will continue to improve tremendously from 1 fight to the next. Machida is phenomenal, but he is what he is. Shogun hasnt even scratched the surface yet, and I expect to see an even better, and more disciplined version on shogun in the rematch! He will win the title!
yes he will
talk all you want about fighters but they are who they are and they can’t change that over one fight. they’re both going to come in with the same qualities and i say Shogun’s are better.
fresh like uhh.
same qualities, but different strategies
Machida is a very strategic fighter, very good at perceiving opponents timing, but not very adaptive on the fly, much like Chuck Liddell. Randy outsmarted him and surprised him the first time and he couldn’t adapt on the spot. But once he had a chance to review Randy’s strategy and plug the holes, he beat him twice. Machida will do the same thing (much to my dismay as I would much prefer to see Shogun as champ and think he would provide a much more interesting title scenario, esp in a grudge match with Rampage).
If he can beat Shogun, then yeah, I think a fight with Silva would be nice. If he can’t beat him, it will never happen.
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by helloGreenStar on Jan 12, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions
I say..
Andy vs. whoever wins the rematch
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 11:03 AM EST reply actions
I realize that this VERY PROBABLY won't happen... but I can dream!!
I’d rather see Machida vs Andy it’d be a more interesting match up, Andy vs Shogun would just be a straight Muay Thai fight, at least Machida would make things slightly less predictable.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think Machida annihilates Shogun in the next fight, and hopefully, this fight happens. I would love to see this fight. The strategy on its own would be fun to watch.
why...
are you so sure of Machida’s win in the rematch? what can you see that I can’t that makes it so clear cut?
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I just feel that Machida is more of a strategist. Shogun had his chance to surprise him and pull out the win. I don’t think Machida will fall into that trap again, and I look for him to be much more aggressive and try to shut Shogun down early. Just a hunch…just watching Machida for several years now, he is very disciplined. I feel that he will surprise quite a few people, again.
because....
shogun came in with his best performance in years, possibly the best shogun we’ve seen and that was not good enough! This is where everyone says oh shogun was robbed but it was a very close fight could have went either way and IMO had it been a split vs ud i think the complaining about shogun getting robbed would have not been nearly as bad
Also , in the first fight we did not see the best machida, so we had a so so machida vs the best shogun yet and machida still walked away with the belt
i look for machida to ko rua
much like silva did with griffin everyone was saying oh andy is not that great and bla bla bla he was even booed then he schooled griffin and everyone loved him again
same thing happens here machida will get his respect from the fans back after this rematch
The booing of Andy at 101 was pathetic, I still laugh at those that actually expected a Forrest win
"Wanderlei will win for sure...I think Wanderlei will get there and knock him out with his powerful cross...it’s going to be a big fight, I respect Bisping but there is nowhere to run." Jose Aldo
"Wanderlei is focused and well trained...he will easily win this fight, by a large margin and with much better technique." Anderson Silva
"I think Wanderlei has superior conditioning and experience, I think if Bisping tries to exchange with Wanderlei he will lose...I think Bisping will be shaking. He will be lost." Andre Galvao
Team Brazil on Wandi-Bisping. War Wand.
less predictable like Machida’s straight left hand counter to his opponents every attack. I’m more interested seeing it because i want to see Anderson take him out, and i like Shogun too much to see him fight Anderson but that’s how it’s gonna be cause Shogun is most likely gonna beat Machida again, he has better kicks and hands, not to talk about his ground game.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
RoB
be honest with yourself, you have no idea who will win the rematch, neither does anyone else . You hope Shogun will, you may even have fooled yourself into believing it, but it doesn’t matter, this is one of the closest match ups ever! and for you to discount Machida like that is just stupid.
It’s also even more stupid to keep saying that Shogun won.
There is no conspiracy.
Cecil Peoples is not the devil.
the 10 point scoring system does not need to be changed just because a decision went against your fav fighter.
it was a close fight.
Shogun only began to capitalize late in the fight when Machida got tired.
it could have gone either way.
I like Shogun, but his fans ruin him with all this BS.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
ok, dude. you have obviously no idea of what you saw happen a couple months ago. Shogun did beat him no matter what the scores where, these judges can’t score for shit and they delivered stats after the fight that clearly showed who won, what happened was they didn’t want to change champ and were scared to give rounds to Shogun.
Shogun does have better kicks and has better hands, It’s not a lock or anything and no Machida is not a weak fighter i’ve never said anything like that but if the fight stays technical and controlled Shogun should get it like the last time.
sometimes the beauty is in the attempt.
"they didn’t want to change champ and were scared to give rounds to Shogun."
please tell me what possible motive the judges had for not wanting to give it to Shogun? Or why they would be scared? you can’t just say things like that and not back them up.
they delivered stats after the fight that clearly showed who won
just because somebody lands more strikes over all, doesn’t mean they win, you know that RoB, you’re not an idiot, the 10 point round system means that for instance, not much happens in the first two rounds of a fight, but the other guy does just a little more and wins both, then in the third you land more strikes than he landed in the 1st and 2nd combined, you still lost the first two and the best you can hope for is a 10-8 and a draw.
anyway, I get the feeling that there is no changing your mind here, so this is probably pointless.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 13, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed it probabaly won't but I'd love to see Andy fight the Machida/Shogun winner
Either fight would be superb and would involve world class grappling and striking as well as strategy, in other words my dream fight. These 3 are the best LHWs in the world and I’m looking forward to any fight involving them, though Andy fighting for the LHW title is a dream of mine.
Interesting to see that Machida’s dad wants to see this fight happen, whilst Dana has no chance in talking Andy and Lyoto into a fight there is a chance that Yoshizo can make this happen. Ed Soares could be a stumbling block though as I doubt that he’d let his 2 best fighters face each other.
""Blow me, f**kface. Go to hell. I’m sick of you."
Liverpool director Tom Hicks Jr. to a Liverpool fan. And I thought Dana was bad...
me too
but I still want to see it.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Andy would lose to Machida. He said himself that machida schools him in training. Even if Andy were getting the better of the striking, Machida could easily just take him down for 3 rounds and win a UD—and he won’t gas out like Henderson.
"It's not his breath, it's his central nervous system"
I don't even want to talk about this fight unless a contract ever gets signed
All it does is piss me off when I think who would win in a match we may never see. Anybody can have an opinion but there is going to be no way anyone can be wrong or right.
Memorable Quotes
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?" – BJ Penn
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
"That little fucker hit me with a Hadukan or something" – Nick Diaz on Gomi
"Well, I’m 22 right now, so in three years I see myself being 25." – Rampage when he was asked where he saw himself in 3 years
Assuming Machida wins the Shogun fight, this fight should be scheduled as quickly as humanly possible before they all go back to talking about never fighting each other. It’s a major payday for these guys. New Year’s 2010, make it happen.
Keep talking Papa...
Maybe Dad is the only one who can make this fight happen. But I agree that he needs to make it through Shogun first before this can happen.
Exactly
I think Papa is getting ahead of himself but then again we don’t know the entire conversation went down. It could of been asked “if your son beats Rua what will be next” or something like that
Memorable Quotes
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?" – BJ Penn
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
"That little fucker hit me with a Hadukan or something" – Nick Diaz on Gomi
"Well, I’m 22 right now, so in three years I see myself being 25." – Rampage when he was asked where he saw himself in 3 years
hey if papa can get him to drink pee..
he’ll be the one to convince him to fight his buddy silva..it’s crazy when fighters won’t fight their friends..cuz it’s their job to fight whom ever is put in front of them..
Even if machida said he would it takes two to tango and Silva has already stated on how he feels
Memorable Quotes
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?" – BJ Penn
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
"That little fucker hit me with a Hadukan or something" – Nick Diaz on Gomi
"Well, I’m 22 right now, so in three years I see myself being 25." – Rampage when he was asked where he saw himself in 3 years
I think Silva beats most about anybody
some of the better heavyweights might beat him but he is untouchable at 185-205.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
BJ gave Machida problems
Yeah machida was pretty new to mma at that point. But Machida also knocked out Rich Franklin ending his undefeated streak (along with Silva and Evans).
Chida’s Dad is cool…he reminds me of Yoda…and I think he should open up a can of whoop ass on those puss*es from AKA
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
I think it's probably embarressing for Lyoto,
to have your dad say all this stuff about you, I can imagine if my dad turned up at my work and started telling everyone that I was doing things wrong then I’d be pissed! Must be wierd to have your dad in that position in your career.
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
True and hilarious at the same time SFK!!! LOL...I don't think I'd want my dad showing up at work either! haha
"Me and Michael are like Mozart...and Mozart's friend."
"No, I'm like Butch Cassidy..."
"You mess with Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head. Courtesy of Butch Cassidy."
by McArthur... on Jan 12, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hope it doesn't f*ck with his head
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP. Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
The dude drinks Pee because his dad says so..
I dont think so.
Even if Lyoto signs off, Anderson might not
This is only half the puzzle. Until I see Anderson’s dad Ed Soares say the same thing, I won’t hold my breath
lol
"OH GOD THAT'S DISGUSTING! HE BROKE HIS FREAKIN' ARM"
"hey man that's the business, we're not figure skating"
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Jan 12, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
that caught me by surprise...
Very funny
"The cowards plan is to rule amongst the incapable.. My plan is to incapacitate the cowards"
--ME
about time
it’s about the matchups and this would be a very intriguing matchup whether or not machida beats Shogun. Both Machida & AS are counterstrikers with great kicks. We’ve never seen Machida knocked out or even really dazed but that is the specialty of AS
My best case scenrio...
1. Shogun takes the title from Machida.
2. Machida vs. A. Silva for #1 contender status
3. Shogun vs. Machida 3 or Shogun vs A. Silva ( A fight that i’ve wanted to see for years).
Another fighter that should get named to the scenerio is Lil Nog he's looking good.
Memorable Quotes
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?" – BJ Penn
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
"That little fucker hit me with a Hadukan or something" – Nick Diaz on Gomi
"Well, I’m 22 right now, so in three years I see myself being 25." – Rampage when he was asked where he saw himself in 3 years
WTF
why the hell has this post turned into machida vs shogun ?
its really annoying why isnt anyone talking about what machidas father is gettin at ??
Open up the discussions, friend.
"He#s the WWE champ and with out a doubt should be ranked higher than any other man in the UFC. "-Puck Head, LOL.
If Machida loses to Rua wilsy the Silva fight would be pointless
We all see what he’s saying and if you read the first line “There can only be one champion, so I beleive this fight must happen” So it’s premature to start talking about a Silva vs Machida fight when Rua is Machida’s next opponent. If Rua wins we will be talking about a Silva and Rua fight for LHW champion.
Memorable Quotes
"He beat me fair & square. no, I’m sorry, he beat me fairly squarely" – GSP
"I only want to be known as the best ever. Is that too much to ask?" – BJ Penn
"He broke tim sylvia’s arm…...So what?" – Brock Lesnar
"That little fucker hit me with a Hadukan or something" – Nick Diaz on Gomi
"Well, I’m 22 right now, so in three years I see myself being 25." – Rampage when he was asked where he saw himself in 3 years
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