Mein Can't: Hoelzer Reich clothing Ausch-ted by Zuffa for Nazi symbolism
by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 12:49 PM EST
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Here's a little marketing tip for the deutsche-bags over at the turd Reich: Nazi symbolism will leave your company hanging.
If by chance the newly-instituted Zuffa and Strikeforce ban on Hoelzer Reich clothing doesn't exterminate the market value of these goose-stepping Klutzstaffels, the public backlash against their historical ignorance should freeze their profitability like a long Russian winter.
In case you're just joining us, the Hoelzer Reich clothing line has come under fire, well more specifically, Zuffa employed fighters have come under fire for accepting sponsorship from the Hoelzer Reich brand because a majority of their outfits are adorned with symbols and imagery that have come to be synonymous with Nazi Germany.
Iron crosses, German war helmets, peaked caps -- even the not so subtle "das vierte reich hat begonnen," which joyfully translates into "The Fourth Reich has begun." For those of you who may have missed Reich's 1-3, I can assure you they weren't user friendly.
Now mind you none of that should be associated with Adolf Hitler or Nazi Germany according to Hoelzer Reich. They neatly wash their hands of any hard feelings with an impotent disclaimer via their official website:
"We do not have any Political affiliations with any organizations, nor specific views of any controversial parties. Our interest in the Iron Cross and German history comes strictly from a historical and ancestral standpoint. For many years, we have collected German memorabilia dating back to the early 1800's, which has been passed through the family for generations. The Iron cross symbol and other German-inspired imagery used on our apparel dates back hundreds of years, and does not depict a certain time of German History."
Uh-huh. Sounds like those idiots who get a swastika tattoo and defend it by calling it the Hindu or Buddhist symbol for good luck. Are shamrocks that passe that we must resort to a swastika in hopes of improving our fortune? You know in my day we had the rabbit's foot or monkey's paw, but I digress.
What's even more disturbing is the company's failure to acknowledge their culpability:
"The imagery that we reference dates back hundreds of years before Nazi Germany, and we did not realize that the brief association some of the imagery had with Nazi Germany over 70 years ago would still be so sensitive to so many people."
Brief association. That's funny. A brief association is Tom Hanks as Buffy Wilson in "Bosom Buddies," not a six-year war started by the invasion of Poland.
I can almost say without exaggeration that I might have given them a pass if they had bluntly stated "Sorry, we thought the iron crosses and scary helmets looked menacing, I guess we kind of went too far," but instead they ask us to believe that a German-based organization is naive enough to miss the implied meaning of their own creation.
We don't believe it -- and neither does the brass at Zuffa, who nailed the sponsorship of Hoelzer Reich to their own iron cross. Take your symbols and your vision of a "Fourth Reich"and peddle it elsewhere.
If you're proud of your German ancestry, as I am, there are countless ways to embrace it and even profit from it. Heck, I'd wear a shirt depicting a rotten Bratwurst stomping on a bottle of warm Oktoberfest, but if you choose to take the most despicable imagery from a time in our civilization that a majority of us would rather forget, don't be insulted when the world puts you on trial.
Verdict? You've heard mine. What's yours?
(For more background on this story check out this piece by Brent Brookhouse on Bloody Elbow)
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Fucking neo-nazi retards both celebrate the Holocaust and deny that it happened.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
by P-Dub on Dec 9, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i agree fuck them! this is ridiculous and super disrepspectful. Did they forget about Auschwitz and Dakau and the numerous other atrocities associated with Nazi Germany?
sick fucks….
i swear if somebody actually defends this like “oh its just a clothing line lighten up.” yea usually i would agree but we are talking about some of the most disturbing hateful shit that has ever happened within recorded history.
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I've read worse stories about peoples own struggles inside their own homes
Not on as big a scale, but worse torture. I am boycotting any fighter I see wearing this filth.
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i don't know man, i have also heard some fucked up stories about people in their homes
but i’m a history major in university and i’ve studied concentration camps and i can’t see how conditions could possibly be worse than that. Don’t want to really get into it but all you really need to do is look at pictures of the gravesites etc… to really see how fucked up is was.
Definitely heard some fucked up shit. Ever hear about those kids that held that disabled guy hostage and tortured him?? fuckin sick bastards.
http://www.njnnetwork.com/njn/?p=6109 happened in Hamilton, Ontario about 30 mins away from where i live.
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
BnB
I live 30 minutes away from Hamilton also. What city you in?
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So do I
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
I’m from Georgetown which is just west of Brampton. I’m currently living in London going to UWO doing graduate studies, but I go home all the time. It’s funny how us Canadians measure distance in time.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
It’s funny how us Canadians measure distance in time.
I worked at a gas station in London in high school. Americans always looked so puzzled when they asked how far they were from somewhere, and I told them in hours instead of miles. Then I would try to fix it by telling them in km. That usually didn’t work either. But when someone stops for directions and asks you how much farther it is, aren’t they really just interested in knowing how much longer it’s going to take to get there? If I told them the distance, wouldn’t they just divide the distance by the speed limit to figure out the time anyways?
Oakville is where its at :)
U.Waterloo.
and yes… time is a very effective way to measure distance!
by And Boom goes the dynamite on Dec 9, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
i live in Thorold man!!
just in case you don’t know it’s right beside St. Catharines and Niagara Falls lol
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha i love it!! was that Jeff Foxworth stand-up?? correct me if i'm wrong.
what city you in jay?
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
You do know the name of the city that is Home to Wayne Gretzky, don't you?
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the Big B eh jay.
classy place to live, you guys have Wayne Gretzky we have Owen Nolan (who by the way is an absolute prick to this city) and Nathan Horton who i actually know as he was friends with my brother.
Played a round of golf with Stephen Weiss from the Panthers and he said Horton was the WORST team player he’s every played with.
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
The Big B.
A lot of talent has gone throught this city. We have an excellent sports program here. And not to much street violence. Downtown is being over run with crack heads now though.
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that's cool man, shitty to hear about downtown though
my downtown’s been like that forever, last time i went to the bar some chick punched me in the face twice cause i asked her to stop yelling “why won’t you sell me weed!!” in my face.
Some people…..
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Georgetown is the home to Brian Hayward, Adam Bennett, and a couple of NHL refs. I used to play road hockey with Hayward when I was a kid and he was in the NHL. I’ll tell you he was impossible to score on.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
We also have Mike Holmes….that’s all I have to say about that.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Mike Holmes is the fucking man!!! hahah
but i have to crash out for a while guys, just stayed up for 35 hours straight studying for my colonial American History exam!! you know i had to check mania first though!!
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
When I was a kid, road hockey and ball hockey were king. They used to have a place called the boys and girls club (I’m sure you’ve heard of it). Well we used to play a small team from a place called Dovercourt, they were the best. Most of them were foreigners, but there was one giant white kid, that kid was awesome. About 5 years ago I was listening to Eric Lindros describe his childhood and he was talking about playing for Dovercourt and how he was the only white kid. I think I used to play ball hockey against Eric Lindros. That is my story about personal fame.
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I forgot to mention that I had highschool classes with Andrew Peters who plays for Buffalo Sabres. That’s cool about Lindros though.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Oh
I forgot to mention, when I moved to Brantford I moved into the house that Alan Bester was moving out of. He had just finished his career with the Alexanders, and even left a few sticks. Those were broken before he ever even played for the Leafs.
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He was the first reference we used when talking about shitty goalies
Of course I remember him. I was a huge Alan Bester fan, back in the day.
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J, that's hilarious man! and thats crazy MM-Eh, Peters is a monster lol
would have been funny to see him scrap someone at school, don’t think that fight woulda lasted long. Was he a big guy back in highschool too?
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 10, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
that's pretty sweet man!! believe me when i say i'm not bragging, cause we are on the topic but
i am actually really good friends with Bruce Boudreau (head coach of the Washington Capitals) Been going to his hockey camp since i was like 5, then i reffed there for a summer. Plus my mom donates all the drinks so i get to do some cool shit.
So me and my bro golfed in the Capitals Charity Classic this summer, my mom sponsored a hole (supposed to cost $10,000 to sponsor a hole and play with a celeb but Bruce is our good friend) so we played with Stephen Weiss and Blaine Forsythe.
Group ahead of us was Don Cherry and Gord Miller. Met Mike Green Colby Armstrong etc…No Ovy though so don’t ask!! lol
Free shit all day too! free beer, cigars, whatever it was great!!
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Kitchener/Waterloo...the home (or one of the homes of)...
Lennox Lewis…he’s gone now, but his mom still lives in a mansion on the hill…no joke…I accidentally touched Lennox’s girlfriends ass once at Oktoberfest
Mac, that must have been a fine ass to risk certain decapitation.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Met Syd recently
He is the boxing trainer at my son’s gym. Nice guy. Funny story about Lennox’ girlfriends ass.
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Dakau
I visited the Dakau concentration camp when I was in Munich…it was a very eye opening experience to say the least…very disturbing some of the stories that I heard.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
the pictures of that place and Auschwitz alone are disturbing enough.
like honestly what the fuck were they thinking. You have to be really fucked up in the head to go through with that shit.
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
The pictures you've seen don't do it justice
Being there and seeing it for yourself and seeing some even more disturbing pictures there and videos and stories…it was intense.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
yea i wouldn't doubt it man, that is crazy you went there. Was there like a tension in the air that you could just feel some fucked up shit went down?
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
It was gloomy day to begin with
but it felt like it was probably always gloomy there. You had to stop yourself from thinking too much about what had gone on in a room that I was now standing in. That’s what was so creepy about it all.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
The Holocaust Memorial in Boston was pretty impressive. Stretched about a block. I can’t imagine seeing the real deal.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
I live in DC
if your ever there check out the Holocaust Museum. ITs pretty eye opening. On exhibit is just a pile of shoes from the HOlocasut victims. Its crazy ebcasue there are soo many of them and to think that they belonged to actual people who were massacred is nuts
dude.....i am
The one in Boston features six glass rectangular prisms, each inscribed with one million serial numbers from everyone killed in the camps. Pretty powerful.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Visited Auschwitz when I was 11
On a family trip with my parents(among many other places in Europe and Asia). Thought I was going to puke the whole time I was there. Definitely my most vivid memory of the entire trip. Sick stuff, truly demonic IMO.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Boycott these arseholes
End of.
"I’ll continue to watch their events and I hope they’ll (Zuffa) tune in to my fights in Strikeforce. After all, I’m a true fan of our fantastic sport and would love only to see MMA continue to grow."
Dan Henderson, classy.
"The reality is that I pushed him into signing that deal... I wanted him to s**t or get off the pot."
Dana White, classless.
What a bunch of retards
These guys must of never opened a history book or wacth tv/movie or there just idiots!
german stuff
I didnt k the cross was a nazi thing and I thought the word reich ment something in german other than nazi, I think some people think nazi when they just see the german language in print.
Seems more of a dumb biker style than nazi, now your gonna say that dumb bikers are nazi folk.
agree with controlling such though.
I thought the same thing
Seems more of a dumb biker style than nazi
Looks like a West Coast Choppers logo to me.
Not that I really care, either way.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
agreed
I know my member name may cause some to call me a nazi if they are ignorant, but the Iron cross is just a symbol of the German Military, and still is despite how much the German state has condemned its Nazi past. Not to mention peaked helmets and Fritz Helms are from the Kaiser-era, and only the fritz helm carried over to the Nazi military, but even our military uses a version of the fritz helm now.
As for the use of SS and occult symbolism like the Nordic symbols on the sleeve of the shown shirt, that is obviously pro-Aryan and can only be linked to the Nazi/neo-nazi agenda. Burn these fuckers.
I don't see an "SS"
Where?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
on the sleeve
The font they use for the H on the sleeves is supposed to look like the nordic runes used for the SS.
It's "HR" ....... for Hoelzer Reich
I’m no language expert, but I believe “Reich” means “nation”.
Am I wrong?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
So, the use of the word Empire is banned?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
lol
Dude, your name is “kaiser”.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
The fourth reich
is what did it for me. It’s like c’mon already, are we really going to go there?
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Tiger changed his name to Cheetah
Did anyone hear about someone leaving his house on a stretcher the other day?
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Oh Yeah?
I heard his wife already moved out to? I am getting this info from a guy here at work. Don’t care enough to leave this site to look it up.
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Guess the mother-in-law accidentally got between Tiger and Elin’s 3-iron.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
If she was in the kitchen where she belongs this never would have happened.
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is it wrong that i lol'd at some of your comments Jesse?
for example “marketing tip for the deutsche-bags over at the turd Reich”
“which joyfully translates into “The Fourth Reich has begun.” In case you missed Reich’s 1-3, I can assure you they weren’t user friendly."
“A brief association is Tom Hanks as Buffy Wilson in “Bosom Buddies,” not a six-year war started by the invasion of Poland." etc….
way to provide some comic relief there Goldenstein. (hopefully you’re up to par on your shakespeare hahah) although shakespeare should never be brought up in an MMA forum….then again neither should Nazi Germany.
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 9, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I laughed at his playful use of words as well
I tried not to, but he was funny.
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Who are the geniuses that accepted a sponsorship?
by BNF on Dec 9, 2009 1:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Off the top of my head
Mac Danzig, Donald Cerrone, Lyle Beerbohm, Joe Brammer
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by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Danzig, Cerrone, Beerbohm, Brammer, Ross Pearson…i may be forgetting one or two…but at this point only Brammer hasn’t ended any association with them.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
excluding cowboy i assume?
danzig was on tuff but sponsors know a depressed monotone isn’t gonna sell your shit.
They knew exactly what they were doing...
That’s like saying a noose and burning cross together shouldn’t bring up “sensitive” memories.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 9, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions
Wait until boxing promoters get a whiff of this. It will be “MMA is for skin-heads” all over again.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Arum was right, imo.
Take a look at the crowd when the camera pans at a UFC event.
The biggest smile in the world when watching a UFC event is from the owners of Bic and Gillette.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Not what I seen at events
I thought the guys for the most part were great. Not a bunch of thugs or skin heads.
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The MMA crowd at UFC 105 were a lot more respectful and better behaved than the drunken Cockneys at the Khan-Salita fight, most of whom only went to drink beer and start football style chants about Kevin Mitchell. I was very impressed by the MMA crowd, while the boxing created a lively atmosphere but far from respectful. If any crowd was skin head central it was the boxing one. The people that yell at the camera at UFC events always look like morons anyway.
"I’ll continue to watch their events and I hope they’ll (Zuffa) tune in to my fights in Strikeforce. After all, I’m a true fan of our fantastic sport and would love only to see MMA continue to grow."
Dan Henderson, classy.
"The reality is that I pushed him into signing that deal... I wanted him to s**t or get off the pot."
Dana White, classless.
That's not the way the crowd behaves all night though
They are only going crazy because they might be on TV. MMA crowds aren’t what people make them out to be.
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I don’t get why people have to act like morons as soon as a camera comes close to them, are they that desperate to be on TV that they’re willing to embarrass themselves in front of the world? It’s a very strange trait that I’ve never understood and never will but it’s got nothing to do with MMA, that sort of thing happens everytime ordinary people are filmed.
"I’ll continue to watch their events and I hope they’ll (Zuffa) tune in to my fights in Strikeforce. After all, I’m a true fan of our fantastic sport and would love only to see MMA continue to grow."
Dan Henderson, classy.
"The reality is that I pushed him into signing that deal... I wanted him to s**t or get off the pot."
Dana White, classless.
Exactly
But when people see events and it is always morons hanging on top of each other screaming, they think that’s the way it is the whole time. I think the atmosphere of an event is addictive. It’s a great time, better than any concert I’ve ever been to.
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Nobody does skin heads like America
The Philadelphia event I went too was like a skinhead/tapout convention. People looked at me in my FCF old school shirt and had no idea what it was
dude.....i am
I like crowds to have a good atmosphere but to also be respectful and actually pay attention to what is going on, personally I felt that the boxing crowd were a lot louder but the MMA crowd appreciated the action more and I felt that there was a better mix of banter and respect at the UFC show and they were the better crowd…even if everyone apart from me was a Bisping fan haha.
"I’ll continue to watch their events and I hope they’ll (Zuffa) tune in to my fights in Strikeforce. After all, I’m a true fan of our fantastic sport and would love only to see MMA continue to grow."
Dan Henderson, classy.
"The reality is that I pushed him into signing that deal... I wanted him to s**t or get off the pot."
Dana White, classless.
When they show celebrities in the crowd, or even Kevin James, they all have to mean mug and flex at the camera, like they’re going to start fighting.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
That’s equally as annoying, damn attention seekers. Does anyone really care if there are celebrities in the crowd anyway?
"I’ll continue to watch their events and I hope they’ll (Zuffa) tune in to my fights in Strikeforce. After all, I’m a true fan of our fantastic sport and would love only to see MMA continue to grow."
Dan Henderson, classy.
"The reality is that I pushed him into signing that deal... I wanted him to s**t or get off the pot."
Dana White, classless.
Does anyone else remember Leah from that season she played Zach’s snooty east coast girlfriend that one season of Saved by the Bell?
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Can't say I do.
But saved by the bell was a hot ass minefield.
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There was one pretty forgettable season where they replaced Elizabeth Berkley with wrench-turning bull dyke, but other than that it was pretty sweet.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
I'm afraid my memory isn't on your level
I used to watch the show a lot, as a kid. I don’t remember stuff like you though PW.
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Yah
I definitely would have shown Voorhees my Lark, which BTW is the worst stage name in the history of show biz.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Never a fan of Lisa Turtle…too much of a cock-tease (poor Screech Powers)
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Being a leg man, Jessica Spano was always my favorite.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
I enjoyed Kapowski myself. Although the later work of Jessica Spano was indeed nice to see (not acting ability mind you)
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
That was a good season.
Although before they got together it was way too annoying the way she talked down to him all the time because she wasn’t good at it: “Cowabunga duuuude, surf’s up, let’s all go surfing because we don’t have any responsibilities”. Worst smack talk ever.
P dub, yes
Lesh’s father on the show, ran that beach resort did he not? Man I even think I remember her in a white bikini, but that could just be my perverse and over the top imaginiation running amok.
by daniel worby on Dec 9, 2009 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
remini
Oh man, the thoughts that went through my head seeing that hot, toned body walk across my screen. In her prime, she was truly a piece of art.
Love the brunettes with that pouting, and bitchy look, that spews ‘I fuck hard’.
by daniel worby on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I’ve been to some local mma events and never saw any fights in the crowd, a couple rednecks but they were pretty cool.
I did see a couple good scraps at the last Montreal event
One of them was 5 seats away. I got soaked by the initial beer throw. But it was funny as hell, and happened during that boring Silva fight, so it was a much needed form of entertainment.
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Philly
That brawl was a racial brawl, was it not, brendog? They had talk of it on here after the event, and as far as I remember, it was 2 girls, that had guys with them that were screaming racial remarks at some Spanish ppl during, or after the girl fight, and it escalated from there on?
by daniel worby on Dec 9, 2009 6:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dont remember
It was to my left a few sections but definitely got more attention than the fight in the octagon
dude.....i am
oh no doubt
I remember watching that PPV and hearing the crowd cheering when there was absolutely nothing occurring in the fight to warrant the applause. I instantly was thinking ‘fight in the audience’, lol and I’m guilty of being one of the few who thought that as boring as that fight was, they should have split screened and put up the brawl as well.
by daniel worby on Dec 9, 2009 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You weren't alone in that daniel
I thought they could have left it on the audience longer, forget the split screen. The fight that was on at that time was boring, I remember that.
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My verdict is that everyone posting above me is a nonwhite who hates whites OR
A self hating brainwashed white guy.
The Iron Cross is not a nazi symbol at all.
Can’t believe you wrote such a shitty story about this Jesse, why not write one about mr Brown Pride? Or A Johnson saying “Damn it feels good beating a white guy”?
Aww thats right, only whites can be racist and evil.
No, Lester, please
Don’t do this to yourself. I like you. Why would you say something so silly?
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by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Lester
Take away the iron cross. What do you say about a T-shirt promising the rise of the “Fourth Reich?”
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by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
McArthur
My thoughts exactly, we’re all very familiar with the ‘brown pride’ escapades, and ongoing talks, but I’ve never read anything about this AJ claim, and it would probably bother me, as I am a fan of his, but not of ignorance.
by daniel worby on Dec 9, 2009 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is GAY
Ummmm…..whoever wrote this silly article is nothing more than a thoroughly uneducated half-wit / mental midget. And that goes for whoever made the decision at UFC as well.
These symbols are from the Neolithic period LOL! They were STOLEN by the Nazi’s and used to represent their “party”. Hindu’s and Buddhist’s used these symbols before Nazi’s were ever even thought of.
Please, do everyone a favor and DO SOME RESEARCH before posting this utter idiocy. Along with that, please don’t let “Nazi’s” continue to rape these ancient symbols by immediately assuming they are of “Nazi origin”. They are NOT. And nothing could be further from the truth.
I will be buying up a bunch of these nice T’s to help protest this foolishness and pigeonholing.
Read some books, please.
I doubt the manufacturers of the shirt knew that these were Hindu and Buddhist symbols
you have to be ignorant to not realize the context that these symbols are being used in the shirts.
dude.....i am
The KKK didn’t invent hooded robes or crosses, but they still conjure up horrific images of a regrettable period of our history, same as all these alleged non-Nazi symbols. Big Smile. Big Smile.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Well said
P-Dub
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
How about HR’s sponsorship of Niko Puhakka? Who is covered in straight up neo-nazi tattoos. Or their association with former northern hammerskins leader Ed Wolbank? Or…any of the other stuff beyond their use of almost every symbol used by the Nazis except the swastika?
All of these things are a coincidence right?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 9, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Merrillzer...
are you for real? Protecting acient symbols are we? HAHA…your a joke dude, and probably have a rebel flag tatooed on your back because it has nothing to do with being a racist right? You just like The Dukes of Hazzard. A symbol, is just that moron. Its meant to symbolize something. The Nazis used said symbols to symbolize their hatred. Do you think they did their research? Probably. But do you think it stopped them from committing genocide? Of course not goof..
P.S.
You might want to boycott every fire station in America that has an iron cross on the side of their engines as well.
Fuckin’ prattling dolts.
Dumb people hurt my feelings.
I would
boycott the firetrucks if they also had an inscription promising the return of “The Fourth Reich.” Perhaps it is you who should pick up a book my friend.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not the symbols themselves that people have a problem with it’s the context. These symbols are part of a shirt that say “The Fourth Reich” which takes them out of the context of the Neolithic and places them into the context of Nazi Germany. Now if the shirt had the symbols in context with Hindu culture and not Nazi’s, then I don’t think anyone would have said boo about it. Language is always changing and word and symbol associations do as well. Look at the word G A Y for instance, it has not historically meant what we all know it means now.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Everyone pay attention
take a look at these comments above if you want to understand why the world is a scary place.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
Merrillizer
Who joined Mania just to post this. Kudos my friend.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
HA
Ignorance is bliss.
Keep feeding into the Nazi propaganda machine. It’s to see their lasting affects still have a hold on some feeble minded folks.
And actually, I have posting on this site for quite a long time. But this insolence finally made me sign up on the new sellout SBN version.
And a “rebel” flag is “racism”? I think not. A confederate flag is history, not racism. Why do you allow those who use it for atrocious acts to succeed in conditioning you to believe this nonsense? But it’s nice to see we still have folks buying into the hype machine. Is it pleasurable to be so willfully ignorant? I often look around at the world outside and ponder that thought….
Conditioned lemmings…..the Nazi’s would be so proud that you still choose to allow them to succeed in identifying ancient symbols as their own. HAHAHAHA
"A confederate flag is history, not racism"
Your hypocracy is tiring me. To say a confederate flag is history and not racism is laughable. Our history is filled with racism….maybe slavery will ring a bell or 2 for ya.
Don't leave
I want to keep arguing. Gotta get that comment count up! Whoot! Thanks for playing!
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by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wow….me thinks someone failed first year history! You know, Wikipedia doesn’t know everything dude! I like how you give out facts like: ‘six year war’ or the war was started from ‘the invasion of Poland’ …hehehe made me laugh that you just looked it all up before hand for your article.
I’m German decent, my daughter is Jewish(half) and I am educated enough to know what symbols were used/stolen for Hitler’s demented dream. Oh wait…am I a Nazi??!! Read some books….Das tut dir gut!!!
Try looking up the word ‘context’ Merrillizer. You may learn a thing or two.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
your quote MM_Eh: Is that from The Office? They had the charity run for rabies…? I saw that episode the other day….good stuff
Fact: Bears eat beats.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
FYI
There’s a great “Saved by the Bell” conversation going on about midway through the comments
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by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Try looking up the words ‘primordial’ or ‘antediluvian’.
Spare me scare tactics and conditioning. I do not identify a maltese cross with those who raped the symbols and used them to represent their horrific acts. Get a grip…..
The symbol itself says nothing, but if it is placed in context with Nazi language (reference to the Third Reich) then the symbol becomes associated with and married to that language. Nobody cries that Finland still uses the symbol, or Hindu’s because it is used in a different context. This shirt is clearly trying to glorify Nazi Germany and Germans in general should be pissed.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Welcome aboard
Another sympathizer joins the SB Nation for one day to defend the Fourth Reich.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Merrillizer and Bluebag
The war is over. Your side lost. Don’t take it out on me just because I panned Hoelzer Reich for their crappy T-shirts.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
Dear Mr. G.E.D:
nah…i’m defending my intelligence….you go on defending your ill-informed commentary. Stick with MMA…you don’t need to go to university for that.
If we don’t agree with you then we are Nazis…I still don’t agree with invading Iraq and George Bush still thinks I’m a terrorist…hey, didn’t Bush flunk out of school as well??
Happy arguing people…I am off to read something made of trees.
Good luck finding them
After your done burning them in your latest rally. Ha! Zing!
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by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah!
I’m on fire today kid! Untouchable! Whooooooooooooot!
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Please don't leave
I want to keep arguing. Gotta get that comment count up! Whoot! Thanks for playing!
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by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
DOH!
Ubermensch!
Carl Jung would have a field day with these Lemmings.
Behold the “good” and the “just”…. Whom do they hate most???
Transcend mundane day to day slave consciousness…let this Zeitgeist be destroyed
Key words blah blah blah
Call us all lemmings, dolts, blah blah blah, same old story from you guys. If you actually think that you’re more intelligent than the rest of us because you attempt to justify what is a blatant homage to one of the most despicable events in all of human history I just feel sorry for you. I don’t hate you, I just can’t believe you can actually be that stupid.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Who really gives a shit about all of this? I have read about this company for the past two days on every mma site. These guys are right down the street from me, and I had never heard of them. All you retards are doing is giving them free publicity, and after going on there web site yesterday; I actually think some of the more basic shirts are pretty legit. So, I am sure the guys over at Hoelzer say thank you for all the free publicity you guys are giving them; and all the shirts that have been ordered in the last couple of days.
Oh yeah
I’m sure they’re flying off the shelves
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by Jesse Holland on Dec 9, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
I’m sure they are actually. You’d be ignorant to think there is nobody out there that would want a shirt like this. Before it became “news”, it’s unlikely that those people knew about this company, I’d never heard of them. Now it’s getting free exposure and the fact that the general public frowns on some of these shirt designs just makes them more appealing to the type of people that crave that sort of attention.
This one is for Bluebag and Merrillizer (and Lester)
We’ve had a few laughs but seriously, here is a closer look at why I have a beef with this clothing line. Don’t give me any of that Nordic crap either.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
Is this really necessary?
I’ve only skimmed some of the comments and mostly read the ones about saved by the bell and the office, but are there actually people refuting that this is Nazi Imagery? I would have thought that the shirts speak for themselves.
Right above your comment.
It probably took you longer to type that question than it would have taken to look up.
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
What thread is the ‘war’ on?
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
A couple threads from Yesterday and the day before.
We’re done, though. Can’t behave that way at my age.
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
The comment right above mine is Jesse Holland explaining how the shirts are Nazi shirts. I was asking if there were really people refuting the Nazism in the shirts, which is the opposite of what Jesse is doing.
Furthermore, the question was rhetorical and intended to point out the ridiculousness of anyone who would question that these are Nazi shirts. Obviously if Jesse had to point this all out this late in the comments, there must have been people saying they weren’t Nazi shirts.
There are a few guys saying the signage isn't Nazi signage
They are claiming it has nothing to do with the Nazi’s. Read the two dudes trying to defend the shirts, hilarious stuff.
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
I lol'd at the beating that jesse gave them....classic.
Also Lester the fake pimp, is a guy who’s got a black guy that ’s getting punch in the face as avatar, that says it all.
wow @ those pics
I can’t believe they can even attempt to deny their part in the racism that’s clearly their intentions. Half their pictures look they are 5 minutes away from a Klan meeting! Open Nazi tattoos on the only candidates they could find to wear the shirts? Where the hell were these photo shoots done, the set of American History X? Lol.
Unreal.
by daniel worby on Dec 9, 2009 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And *that*, boys and girls...
is what we call a cyber kick to the groin with the left leg of truth. Love it!
Bluebag/Merrillizer/Lester should be given their 5 minutes to recover… and then given another shot to the jewels.
those pics dont lie
JH by a landslide.
by daniel worby on Dec 9, 2009 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m willing to give Lester a pass since he’s been on the site for a while and didn’t try to argue the point after receiving a swift verbal beatdown. The other two probably won’t be back until this race-baiting t-shirt company makes news on here again.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Laughable
How anyone could argue that the aforementioned shirts don’t bring to mind an idiotic mindset based on hatred and racism. Yes, we all understand that the symbols used were created way before those small-minded a-holes used them. That doesn’t negate the fact that they are interpreted to mean something completely different that what they were originally created for. A cross can be interpreted to mean many different things, but in the context of all the other symbols aligned with it – the meaning should be obvious.
Reminder to self
Never get into a heated debate with Holland. That is epic pulitzer prize winning stuff
dude.....i am
Was thinking the same thing
Holland laid down a beating to end all beatings.
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I completely support the Zuffa Ban
The people who even thought this clothing line up are scum. But I want to see the same sort of reaction if some jackass walks out to the octagon with hammer and sickle gear on. The Nazis murdered 6 million Jews and 6 million other civilians, and the communists killed 100 million from 1917-1991, with Lenin, Stalin, Kruschev, and Breshnev specifically targeting Jews (and Christians) as well.
um... no.
Sorry Todd, you’re just wrong.
There’s a huge difference in using the symbol for the German (country) coat-of-arms with Germany’s color scheme (which is what Tapout did), and what these Hoelzer Reich shirt makers are doing; namely to glorify and make $ off of blatantly Nazi-based symbolism in their clothing line.
Don’t bother Dakatak, most people don’t understand that there’s a difference between Germany and Nazi.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Regardless, this was one of the more entertaining threads I’ve been on. Had a little bit of EVERYTHING. A decent read anyways.
by daniel worby on Dec 9, 2009 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But it is scary
to know there are some retards out there that can defend, or at least try, the actions of other retards!
Is Che sponsoring fighters
You’re lost, way off topic. Copy, pasting a bunch of useless information is fun!
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
Jay, on another note..
Just watched best of J-roc on youtube to remind myself of his antics and i was lmao, must download the other series and catch up, funny shit.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
J to the ROC
The Trailer Park Boys just released a new movie too. They are done now though, no more TPB. I haven’t seen the new movie yet because I’m saving it as long as humanly possible. Once I watch this movie there won’t be any more TPB, ever again. You gotta check out a series named Dexter as well. It isn’t anything like TPB, but is a great mystery series.
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
I say new movie, but it isn't all that new
It’s on DVD already, I think.
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MY brother loves Dexter..
He downloaded all the series, always telling me to watch it, its on the tv all the time too but i never watch for some reason. About a serial killer who only kills people who he thinks deserved it, right?? Well something like that i think. Don’t get to watch must tele to be honest and when i do, i’m a big national geographic fan.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
You were right that is the premise of the show
Great show with one hell of an actor. I dig NG too. I don’t watch much television either, but I do have a few shows I won’t miss. Dexter is one of those shows.
I would much rather be on the computer watching downloaded fights than watch anything on the boob tube(TV).
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
Peace out Compadre
Long day, time to hit the sack. Hopefully the wifes in the mood…….
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
*or other tyrannical authority figures*
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
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