Jon Jones to reportedly protest disqualification loss to Matt Hamill at TUF 10 Finale
by Adam Wagner on Dec 8, 2009 4:10 PM EST
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According to this post on The Underground Forum, Jon Jones’ management team intends to protest its client’s loss to Matt Hamill at The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 10 Finale this past Saturday.
It's their belief that they have grounds to overturn the loss to a "No Contest" (NC):
"Let’s be clear, Jon is not 'unhappy' he feels as all things happen for a reason. We are protesting the L because we felt that Jon’s opponent could not effectively communicate why he could not continue. The rules state that an intentional foul and that the fighter cannot continue based on injury sustained from the foul. Hamill could not continue due to a broken shoulder. Jon should have been deducted a point for the accidental illegal blow. Matt should have been treated like we treat the Brazilians and given 5 minutes to regroup and offered a translator so the ref could make the right call and understand Matt could not continue due to his shoulder injury not the blow. This should be a NC for both fighters but not a loss. Hamill continued with an injured Shoulder and only complained once the action was stopped (warrior) but the fight was stopped based on the shoulder injury in our opinion."
Jones absolutely destroyed Hamill in quick fashion during the fight; however, in the process "Bones" rained down illegal elbows (so-called 12-6 elbows, named for their vertical position) from the mount, which led to referee Steve Mazzagatti briefly halting the fight to deduct one point from Jones.
However, when Mazzagatti attempted to restart the action, Hamill was unable to continue.
After consulting instant replay — the first time in MMA history officials used replay to render a decision, based on the new policy recently passed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) — the result was ultimately declared a disqualification loss for Jones (his first).
Jones’ management team claims the reason Hamill couldn’t continue had nothing to do with the 12-6 elbows. Instead, they point to Hamill’s left shoulder injury as the reason he couldn’t continue fighting, and the fact that Mazzagatti was unable to fully understand Hamill because he is deaf.
Indeed, event physicians set Hamill’s shoulder following the fight (an MRI will determine if he requires surgery). But whether this is enough for the NSAC to overturn its decision — especially when it could call into question the effectiveness of their newest toy in instant replay — has yet to be determined.
What do you Maniacs think?
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The commission didn’t overturn the decision when il Moustache awarded Pokey Burns a TKO via eye pokes, so I doubt they’ll overturn il Moustache’s decision to award Hammill a win for illegal blows to the head that somehow caused his shoulder to pop out.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
I think it should definitely be over-turned
but like P-Dub said, if they didn’t overturn the Rumble/Burns call than i don’t see them over-turning this one.
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 8, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
If they really want to overturn something they should overturn il Moustache’s license to officiate anything other local pie-eating contests.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
I’m sure Maz could find a way to stop even that prematurely.
"If you're not a fan of Hulk Hogan, you're not a fan of entertainment in sports"
--Goldberg.
"Kimbo is dominating on the ground"--Rogan
"Kimbo throws that jab to finish fights"--Goldberg
Nothing will happen unfortunately...
If Rumble-Burns I wasn’t overturned then this won’t, damn athletic commissions and their arrogant ways.
Mazagatti is the worst ref in the sport, it’s a travesty that he’s still used as a ref by the NSAC when they won’t even license Big John.
"I’ll continue to watch their events and I hope they’ll (Zuffa) tune in to my fights in Strikeforce. After all, I’m a true fan of our fantastic sport and would love only to see MMA continue to grow."
Dan Henderson, classy.
"The reality is that I pushed him into signing that deal... I wanted him to s**t or get off the pot."
Dana White, classless.
So true......
The fight was over 5 seconds before Mazagatti called Bones on the elbows. He is a danger to the fighters he is that incompetent…..
If the ruling does get overturned
I better see a refund on BetUs.
WOW was Bruce Buffer’s announcement after the fight a kick to my nuts and my account!
I’ve never lost money on a fighter that didnt get touched in the fight and landed 70 straight elbows and punches.
i feel they NC it as well
Its such an overwhelming amount of ppl who share the same exact notion that it should’ve went down as a no contest, its likely they will change it.
Its annoying that we see this stuff & are saying it to the TV as its happening, yet the ‘officials’ don’t seem to get it the first time.
Oh well, mistakes happen I guess.
by daniel worby on Dec 8, 2009 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have
a question, didn’t burns poke rumble in the eye and get the win cause rumble couldn’t continue ? What’s the difference ? I think Jones should be awarded the win and that the fight should have been stopped before that anyway.
il Moustache happened, that's what
He somehow thought that even after warning Pokey Burns about the eye gouging on 3 or 4 separate occasions, a perfectly legal and simple jab could send Johnson sprawling across the cage, grabbing his eye, crying and nearly blind.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
the difference
is the rules at the time didn’t allow for a ref to look at the replay and change his call based on the replay. during the rumble fight, the ref thought rumble went down due to a punch. once he made an offical call of a TKO there was no legal remedy allowed.
But what's not different
is il Moustache’s outrageous stupidity and obliviousness.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Randy lost the belt
due to a loose glove strap severing his eyelid when Vitor missed him with a punch a few seconds into the fight. They didn’t overturn that! They let it stand as a TKO and Vitor kept the belt.
Rich Franklin VS Jon Jones
lets make it happen.
I really do hope that this is turned into a NC. I cant believe that Jones is 1 yr younger than i am, its insane. He will be a champ eventually though, he has so much promise.
Should be overturned for sure!
I completely agree w/ his management team. My friends and I all thought it was obvious that Hammill couldn’t go on because of his shoulder, and not the little cut on his nose. Jones should have lost a point, and it should have ended in a NC.
by LJ. on Dec 8, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
"how we treat the brazilians" lol
i understand what he meant, but it just sounds funny…
That was my first thought...
Could Hammil and the Ref really understand each other and did it play a part in Bone’s DQ?
Hmm!
This is a real poser here. If I was forced to give a yes or no answer, I would say overturn. I simply don’t agree that the 12-6 bows finished the fight. At all.
But its highly unlikely they would have the balls to overturn the decision, even though Hamill was completely DE_STROYED.
"I want an equal amount of blueberries in each muffin." -Ace Rothstein
i thought hamill might get killed
how many times did he look at the ref and say what do you want me to do with this guy. still jones is 22 yo and will beat machida and rua easily and he will keep it on his feet and use spinning elbows to the face(like he did with bonnar) to knockout either rua or lyoto. jones will be champion for a long time. i guarantee it.
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 8, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions
Right...
Look he’s good but if you think he’ll KO either of those guys with spinning elbows you’re in a dreamworld.
"If you're not a fan of Hulk Hogan, you're not a fan of entertainment in sports"
--Goldberg.
"Kimbo is dominating on the ground"--Rogan
"Kimbo throws that jab to finish fights"--Goldberg
good god man
I <3 Jones as much as the next guy, but we could potentially wait til he fights a top 10er before we write him into the books as an auto champ (due to spinning elbows no less)!
I think Lyoto/Rua is a tad stiffer of a test…
:S
by daniel worby on Dec 8, 2009 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I agree that beating those two with spinning elbows is a bit far fetched…but this dude is very intriguing and he has a shitload of talent. Very awkward style. Simple Jack is a tough dude and he destroyed him with little to no effort. His awkward style could be exactly what’s needed to knock Machida off the top spot. Definitely looking forward to this dude’s next fight.
he is 22 years old. he is bigger, stronger, faster and better
machida and rua will both go down to this guy in the next 18 months. the only dreamworld your in is thinking hulk steroid hogan is relevant to anything mma. peace.
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 9, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
After those elbows...
Jon Jones reminded me of the black dude in Bloodsport. Cracking coconuts in half and shit.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 8, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions
Lester u kno something we dont?
Cause the thread specifically says its his management asking for it turned to a NC. They also go on to say that Jones is okay with the loss and says everything happens for a reason.
I’d do the same for my fighter/friend. Perhaps you know of a reason he’s been exposed as a ‘non nice guy’.
by daniel worby on Dec 8, 2009 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I believe its his mgmt. who wants it overturned.
I’m not resting until I’m officially Anderson Silva status.- Jon "Bones" Jones
is it really so much easier to type “mgmt.” than “management?”
"If you're not a fan of Hulk Hogan, you're not a fan of entertainment in sports"
--Goldberg.
"Kimbo is dominating on the ground"--Rogan
"Kimbo throws that jab to finish fights"--Goldberg
He might not speak English
And doesn’t want to be ridiculed for his spelling. frosnt1, you are one cold SOB. LOL
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
Sorry!
He was clearly winning the fight! However, anything could still have happened if the fight hadn’t been stopped! What most likely would have happened was Jones would have pounded Matt out! But, Matt was still “intelligently defending” himself even though some of those hits were landing. So, I disagree with the fight “should’ve been stopped before the illegal blows” theory! And I agree with the DQ based on the fact that it was more than one illegal elbow! Hey! This s&1t sucks to see a fight turn out this way! But, lets not blame Matt, or the Ref! No matter how stupid the Ref in question may be! In the end, it’s Jon’s fault he lost! But, he only lost the fight, not any respect!
by Dana's a Crossdresser on Dec 8, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions
How’s a deaf guy with a dislocated shoulder supposed to sign well enough to make himself understood? I assume that’s what Jones’ team meant by an interpreter?
by can't spell anarchy on Dec 8, 2009 5:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Totally Agree
There is just no way to justify putting a loss on Jones’s record, and even less justification in putting a win on Hamill’s record.
Illegal blows had nothing to
by Blood,bath and beyond on Dec 8, 2009 8:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Illegal blows had nothing to do with hamill not being able to continue.
5 mins to recover for hamill. 1 pt deduction for jones is what should have happened IMO. Once matt was up they would have realized the reason he could no longer continue was a shoulder injury(most likely from the jones throw) and not from the illegal 12 to 6ers. There is nothing wrong with him appealing this outcome and I think it has a legit shot @ being overturned.
by Blood,bath and beyond on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So, your call would have been to leave Hamill lying there in a pool of his own blood for 5 minutes, then see if he lives long enough to recover?
lmao
Dude, the ref made the right call…..end of story.
You can’t reverse a call after it’s made because someone has an unrelated injury after the fight was stopped.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
He (they) should accept the loss
It is only speculation as to what actually stopped the fight. We can’t go back in time to ask Hamil if 5 min is enough time to continue. I think the loss is justified punishment for FOUR illegal elbows. Had he not done them things would have ended differently. Now Bones knows better than to be “funky”.
Accept the loss Jones
You beat yourself……nothing anyone can do to help you.
You’ll go up in rankings even with the loss….accept it.
Hell, Fedor has a loss* and accepted……what makes you so much better?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Fedor's fans have never accepted that loss.
And this wasn’t a three second fight. Bones dominated Hamill and he shouldn’t get a loss for the rules not being followed properly. There was never any time given, and the ref didn’t ask Hamill why he can’t continue.
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
c'mon jay,
Hamill was lying there with the bridge of his nose split open and both eye sockets filled with pools of blood, and you expect Mazagatti to interview him to see if he has any other contributing injuries that might be contributing to his inability to fight! Gimme a break! The shoulder is irrellevant. Ref had plenty of justification to stop the fight and issue a DQ based on what he could see with his own eyes, he even went back and watched the replay to make sure it was the illegal blows that did the facial damage he was ruling on.. But why don’t you write a letter to the NSAC asking that they require refs to send guys like Hamil for a complete autopsy before determining whethter the illegal blows were the cause of death. Mazagatti is the worst ref in MMA, but he’s not the one who screwed up here, Jones is. He had a lock on the fight and if he’d just paid more attention to what he was doing and knew his job (knowing the rules IS his job) the fight would have lasted a few more seconds and then he’d have won. His youthful impatience and ignorance of the rules cost him this fight. You can’t blame Hamill or Mazagatti for that.
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