Rampage Jackson: 'I'm going to come back to the UFC'
by Alpha Male on Dec 4, 2009 3:25 AM EST
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That's the latest in this ongoing soap opera. From RampageJackson.com:
"I've noticed that the UFC & TUF have some fans brainwashed or something. They still haven't realized yet that the TV show is just a TV show. I did my job by entertaining people and if you ever paid any attention to me, that's what I'm known for doing. Now, I wanted to let my fans know that I'm going to come back to the UFC & finish my contract. Not because the haters are talking shit about me being scared of Rashad or Titties or anybody else. I'm coming back for my fans & to shut Rashad's mouth up & shut Dana's mouth up. Then after that I'm going back to doing movies & I might do a boxing match once a year just to stay in shape. Hate on dis!"
--Disgruntled former light heavyweight champion Quinton "Rampage" Jackson -- who announced his premature retirement from the sport not too long ago -- now reveals his new limited future fight plans. Perhaps it's no coincidence that the recent season of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF), which he served as coach opposite Rashad Evans, recently came to an end. Jackson and Evans were constantly at each others throats, making their eventual clash seem absolutely necessary to settle the score once and for all. Evans is now booked to fight Thiago Silva in the UFC main event on Jan. 2, 2010, while Jackson completes his role as B.A. Barracus on the set of the "A-Team." Score one for UFC President Dana White, who predicted "Rampage" would return sooner rather than later. He and his producers now have even more drama to promote this showdown ... not like they needed it.
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Gotta say never have liked rampage but am glad he is coming back? Don’t really care who wins with him and rashad but there are a few other fights I would love to see. Shogun rematch, lyoto, even love to see Anderson kick his ass. Anyone know howany fights are left on his contract?
by eagzy on Dec 4, 2009 3:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It would be awesome to see him get wrecked by all the guys you mentioned.
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
Well he did entertain us. And I’m glad he’s honouring his contract. Hopefully he kicks the shit out of Rashad and reveals what a fake and useless fighter Rashad is. The only reason he won the title in the first place is because he fought another Ultimate Fighter (Forrest).
The Rashad Hype!
I am not a big fan of either of these guys, but I think Rashad is all hype. I don’t like how he thinks he is a KO artists because he KO’d old man Chuck and Sean Salmon. It took WAndy like 16 knees and Shogun a combo of a dozen or so knees and kicks to put down Rampage. He still got up relatively quick even though he went through the ropes. He got up faster then Rashad being put to sleep by Machida. Rampage’s Iron Chin is entirely to much for Rashad. The only way Rashad wins this fight is by, stick and moving and I still think he gets caught by Rampages power at some point and goes to sleep again. I would love to see Rashad on the receiving end of an Arona style Power Bomb!
LOL
Yeah Rashad is all hype…only one loss on his record and that is to the current champ. Rashad doesn’t fancy himself a KO artist but he’s proven he has some serious power in his strikes so why wouldn’t he use it to his advantage. Rashad, like Rampage in his losses, took a lot of punishment before he went down for the count and I don’t think either one has a weak chin which is why this will be a solid fight but Rashad’s footwork and speed and his ability to counter and create angles is going to allow him to score more points and wear Rampage down.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
One loss to the current champ and only real solid win is Chuck Liddell. Forrest has always been questioned as a truly ranked fighter. He squeeked by Bisping (who in the opinion of most won that fight, I hate Bisping and I think Bisping won that fight) and had a draw with Tito Ortiz. So to me it is hype. He is top 10 by beating an old Chuck and Forrest.
He's top 10
Cause he’s the former champ…and he only has one loss on his record. It’s that simple.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
Yes, Buster. Let's not nitpick and dissect their records too closely. People bring up an old Chuck and I will counter with Eastman (vs Rampage). An old Chuck is a bigger feather in your cap than a victory over Eastman.
by OJR on Dec 4, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Rampage made Chuck old
Rampage is singlehandedly responsible for the demise of Chuck’s once-iron chin. Rampage was the only guy to beat Chuck in the 4 years that Chuck ruled the UFC’s LHW division, and Rampage did it twice. Other than the one loss to Couture (which was twice avenged), Rampage was the only guy to beat Chuck from 1999 to 2007 and the only guy to KO Chuck with a standing punch in TEN YEARS. Rampage ended Chuck. Rashad fought Rampage’s sloppy leftovers. In fact, by the time Rashad fought Chuck, Chuck was Jardine’s sloppy leftovers too.
disagree with what?
Those aren’t opinions, just plain facts. Chuck wasn’t KO’d in his whole career by anyone before or between Rampage, and then from the second Rampage KO on, he lost 4 out of 5, and got KOd in 60% of his fights. Before Chuck/Rampage II, Chuck’s record was 20-3 (with one of those 3 losses being to Rampage in Pride). Starting with Chuck/Rampage II, Chuck’s record was 1-4. Just look at the Before & After and it’s clear that Rampage wrecked Chuck’s chin and ended him as a top fighter.
I can . . .
As soon as I elbow a couple strippers out of the way so I can swing from Chuck’s nuts for a moment. OK, here goes: Chuck had staph. The ref screwed him. What the hell were those judge watching in the Jardine fight? Shonuff, you’re just a nut-hugging haterade-drinker. Chuck would have knocked all of them out in 2003 but they ducked him.
And now I’m back off Chuck’s nuts. Carry on.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
I also love
how people (don’t know if you’re one of them OJ, so this isn’t directed at you) say that Chuck was 1-dimensional and destined for failure cause it was just a matter of time before someone figured out his style and the sport evolved beyond him and Rampage was just in the right place at the right time. BULLSHIT In 24 fights spanning 10 years, Chuck only lost to 3 guys and he avenged 2 of them with stoppages. I never liked Chuck, but he was one of the most dominant fighters in MMA. Randy “figured out” his style and beat him once, Chuck closed that hole in his game. But Rampage didn’t figure Chuck out, he just went out and put him to sleep twice by being better than Chuck at his own game. The only difference between the old Chuck and today’s Chuck is his chin. He used to take punches like Rashad’s without batting an eyelid. Now he goes down. End of story
Buster Bluth...take Rashads nuts out your mouth please
Rashad was an apparent asshole on the show always picking fights with page to make himself look righteous and upstanding.Rampage jokes around a lil to much and isn’t a qualified coach but he’s admitting unlike some fake asses.Regardless of what went down on the show Rashads gonna get his head knocked into the upper balcony when he meets page in the ring next year.He might even think about becoming an organ doner b4 then.Nd i cant wait to here the lame ass excuses you guys dish out when Rampage whoops Rashads ass all around that octagon.lol.I cant wait.
Good analysis, Monkey
Rashad does have good hand speed and power and generally is a smarter fighter with a better camp than Rampage, but Forrest was outboxing him till he got caught and Rampage has way stronger chin, better boxing, more KO power, and less cockiness than Rashad. The only reason Rampage didn’t destroy Forrest was that he never took Forrest seriously as an opponent and hardly ever checks leg kicks. Neither of those things will be a factor agaist Rashad. Rashad’s biggest advantage here is his speed and footwork and his only hope is to stick and move enough to pull off a decision. If Rampage returns to his wrestling base at all, he will pound Rashad into the floorboards.
Thanks For Seeing that Shonuff! =)
I think Thiago may expose Rashad as well. Thiago has the power and the ground game to hand Rashad a loss. If he looses to Thiago and has to face a “I need to prove a point Rampage” Jackson(like the wanting to prove apoint Jackson that fought Chuck and Wandy), RAshad could be on his way out! That will be 3 L in a row. It will be interesting to see what the UFC will do with Shad at that point!
Thiago has beaten even fewer
top opponents than Rashad. I think this will be a great test for both of them. I wouldn’t put money on it either way. Either of them would get outclassed by Shogun, Lil Nog, or Rampage. And now that all three of those guys are in the UFC, all these so-called MMA fans who claim PRIDE fighters were inferior are about to learn a hard lesson as the cream of the UFC crop from their celebrated top division (Sugar, Forrest, Thiago) all get dismantled by the former PRIDE stars (Rampage, Lil Nog, Shogun, and hopefully Hendo).
You are getting way ahead of yourself
Rashad is not going to lose to Thiago. Silva’s chin is not that great…look what Mendes did to him when they fought. Silva was lucky to get that win against him cause he was seriously rocked. Machida put him out with one punch…Rashad took a multitude of shots from Machida. Thiago is going to come in aggressive and try to take it to Rashad and that’s exactly what Rashad wants him to do. Rashad is a good counter puncher and he’s going to put Thiago to sleep in this one. Even if Evans takes this fight to the mat…he’s never been even close to being subbed and it isn’t going to happen this time either.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
I don't think Rashad would be let go if he lost three in a row.
He’s a former champ and tuf winner so I think losing three in a row to upper competition wouldn’t be enough for the ufc to release him. I think Jardine would be released before Rashad.
Disagree, shonuff. Rampage has regressed and become a one dimensional power boxer since coming to the UFC. Rashad has improved on his footwork, boxing and has not abandoned his wrestling. Rampage has stalled in his MMA evolution...
by OJR on Dec 4, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Wrong, Mac. He GNP Griffin to a TKO victory. I will give you the other 2 but that is when he started to implement his new footwork and boxing. He had to start somewhere...
by OJR on Dec 4, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
He used his wrestling to catch Forrest’s leg and punch his face in and take him down at the same time…that’s effective MMA wrestling if I ever saw it.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
His evolution still won’t be enough to beat Rampage. The only way Rashad beats a stalled Rampage is Hit and Run. He won’t out wrestle, out box, or come close to knocking out RAmpage. Also when was the last time time RAshad showed us aything more then him trying to be a boxer? His evolution has stopped somewhere between I want to be a Golden Gloves boxer to Rashads gonna knock you out! Since The Tito draw,which RAshad was lucky to get because of the deducted point, HE had a gift by the judges against Bisping, He KO’d Chuck in the second in a fight where he never once attempted to take it to the ground, against Forrest he didn’t wrestle, then his arrogance had him thinking he was going to be MAchida in the stand up. So his last 5 performances are far from championship evolution. 2 gifts, a Rampage broken Chuck, a Soft overrated Forrest, and the KO to MAchida. What evolution?
I won't argue with that criticism
Rampage definitely needs a real training camp. I think if he were training with Couture or Greg Jackson, he would destroy even Machida. He’s accomplished everything he’s done on pure instinct and talent without ever having a decent coach or camp. We see what kind of coaching he’s been getting from Tiki! Imagine what he could be with a good strategy and corner behind him.
Rashad vs Forrest
I agree that Forrest was getting the better of the exchanges in the first 2 rounds for the most part. Griffin’s reach took Evans a little while to get used to and it took him a little longer than usual to get his timing but it’s not like Forrest was damaging Evans at all cause we all know that Forrest cant damage peach with his strikes. He still found a way to exploit Forrest’s kicks which is what Rampage should have done but didn’t and cost him the belt.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
Forrest rocked Rashad
against the fence and could have finished him if he had any killer instinct at all. Then Rashad started fondling himself and Forrest relaxed adn threw a lazy punch and got caught.
Wouldn't say he rocked him...
But he did seem to hurt Rashad a couple times. At the end of the round it looked like he punched Shad in the eye and Shad looked like it hurt him.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Shad was hurt
on his heels against the fence just trying to cover up. For some reason, instead of finishing him, Forrest backed off and Rashad did the whole “Bring it on, I’m not hurt” thing that fighters always do when they’re hurt. (Except that for Rashad, it takes the form of licking his nipples and caressing his crotch like a pole dancer.)
I want to see him come back and lose, badly
I hope he comes back and doesnt train and gets knocked out thrice in a row brutally and ends up brain damaged.
Funny how he didn’t even mention winning the title anymore. Just Dana, Rashad, and Darryl. Seem like those will be his only 3 fights
Exactly
Why bother coming back if you’re not in it to win it all? Bumpage is an entertainer first and foremost…that has become very obvious.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
all about the benjamins
Rampage has always made it clear that he fights for the money. He’s not in it for the love of the sport or whatever. But he does care about respect and he’s a sensitive guy (in terms of getting his feelings hurt, not sensitivity to others’ feelings). He left MMA because he got his feelings hurt by Dana and the fans talking trash about him, and he’s coming back for the same reason. He’s taking this Rashad fight very personally, not because of the confrontations they had on TUF, which for Rampage were just entertainment and doing his job to hype the show, but because, from his perspective, Rashad made him look bad in front of his team and the TV audience, and Dana turned the fans against him. Rampage is not an emotionally sophisticated guy. When he feels wounded or disrespected, the only thing he knows to do is fight. He doesn’t know how to play the PR games that Rashad does and put on a tie and take the pretentious high ground. Both of them have the maturity of 13 year olds, but Rashad is smarter and knows how to put on a smooth front. But if you ask other fighters and people who hang out with them, Rampage is a much more genuine and likeable guy. Everybody in the fight world talks about what a genuinely nice guy he is, even his teammates who know they got shafted with third-rate coaching…even Dana while they were feuding….hell even “Titties” said that when the cameras were off, Rampage was the coolest guy you ever met. He’s just pissed that Rampage humiliated him on TV.
The biggest prick by far on TUF 10 was James McSweeney. I mean, Mitrione was a douche, but McSweeney was an absolute a-hole.
Rampage humiliated himself on the show
by being selfish and not caring one bit about his fighters. Rashad didn’t play a PR game with him…he was himself on the show and brought in the qualities of the Jackson camp with him by bringing guys together and giving them tons of coaches to draw from. Don’t hate on Rashad cause he took his job as a coach very seriously.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
I'm hating on Rashad
cause he’s an arrogant two-faced little prick who’s true self comes out under pressure. Rampage is emotionally immature, but he’s a genuinely nice guy. Rashad is a poser who likes to take the high road to impress people but is just as immature underneath. Like I said, the difference in their coaching (and the perception of selfishness or thoughtfulness) is all in what’s been modeled to them. I liked Rashad till he clowned on Forrest and acted like a middle-schooler with Rampage.
he's coming back 4 money. contract. and silence some mouths. i have no prob with that @ all.
He doesn’t like mma anymore let him be. Can’t only look @ this from a mma fans point of view. He has other options and whether or not u guys think he’ll be successful in them or not, its his decision.
I don’t even care for him all that much so I’m not just saying this from a rampage hater/lover side of things either.
This only causes a stink cause he’s famous & has fans n haters. If u worked @ 711 n left due to what u felt were better opportunities no one would care n they’d probs support ya if they did.
Let him be. We get to see the beef come to an end. & if we’re lucky enough he’ll tear Dana limb from limb.
by daniel worby on Dec 4, 2009 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LET HIM FIGHT TITTIES
Though Titties is prolly in Afghanistan.. So that won’t happen. I’d love Bruce Buffer to announce Darryl “Titties” Schoonover.
why leave to make B- movies?
the A-team will not launch his career. He wont be starring alongside Brad Pitt or even Scott bakula in the near future. Oh well hopefully his last fights are good 1s. Rampage vs Evans needs to happen but Id like to see him fight Machida even more.
Scott Bakula! LOL
Oh wait, I was thinking of Scot Baio, which is even funnier. But seriously, he’s starring as an iconic character in a summer blockbuster with Liam Neeson, Jessica Biel, and Bradley Cooper, who are all A-list stars. It’s a WAY bigger role than anything Randy has pulled off in his 10 years of trying to get into film. The movie may suck, but you can’t call it a “B-movie” with that kind of cast and budget.
and he can't possibly be as bad an actor
as Mr..T was…and Mr.T had a breakfast cereal named after him from doing the A-Team. However, I expect the producers/director/marketing people to totally miscalculate this movies demographic appeal and make something raw and gritty that will be more reminiscent of Rambo than the original A-team. They always screw up these next-gen TV-to-film remakes by betraying the flavor of the original. Dukes of Hazard, Wild Wild West, Starsky & Hutch, Transformers, the list goes on and on. The only franchise where the big budget movies were able to surpass the low-budget TV show was Star Trek.
Nice call
I agree about the old TV shows to movie analysis…they ruin my memories of the old shows with these movies. Star Trek was always true to it’s roots.
WAR TREKIES!
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
Batman was a comic adaptation
not an adaptation of the old TV-show, which they thankfully ignored when bringing the Dark Knight to the Silver Screen.
Star Trek wasn't true to it's roots
It vastly and immediately outgrew it’s roots even in the very first film, leaving all the cheeze and schmuckery of the TV series behind. But most importantly, it was true to it’s CHARACTERS and the movies developed them to a deeper level without ever betraying their original charm.
True
The movies outdid the TV show but the concept was true to its roots and the characters were the same with slight edges.
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes."
by Buster Bluth on Dec 4, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
tons of reasons
1st of u don’t kno their B list. I don’t kno their A list. All assumptions.
2nd, no risk of injury or need to heavily train.
3rd, new opportunity that wouldn’t of been presented to him if it weren’t for who he is.
4th, him & his pops have emotional attachments to the show & its a big deal to them.
5th, I don’t kno what he’s bein paid n doubt u do but if its even 500k then no reason not to. He’s still coming back for huge payday with shad so he’s raking it in.
6th, apparently he has another role lined up already so, starting to sound promising.
7th, wow quite a few reasons eh? Anyways 7th, its his life & he can do whaaaaatever the fuck he wants.
by daniel worby on Dec 4, 2009 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
the edge goes too...?
Realistically what do we think the Vegas spread will be? My guess?
-175 Rampage
-150 Rashad
Maybe even -225 & -215.
by daniel worby on Dec 4, 2009 9:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If those were the odds, Vegas would be raping the public
Not sure why you have both fitghters negative…
The odds for this fight were out a while ago, it was even -115 each.
u mean kinda how couture Vera were both negative?
I probs listed them both as negatives because they probs won’t have an underdog in this fight. Good enough reason? Thought so too. It doesn’t matter if u like it or not. Vegas isn’t stupid & they don’t just make rashad +220 because he has 1 loss & is a former champ.
Same goes to rampage. He has a huge resume & is a decorated fighter. This isn’t a cut n dry victory for either no matter who you like more. Its a pretty tough call.
Alright VM,
Who do u list @ +100 or more? I’m interested to see who n why u would list one of these 2 as an underdog. Guess I’m just not being bias.
by daniel worby on Dec 4, 2009 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
didn't mean to come off rude or anything
was just pointing out that -175 and -150 or even more so -225 and -215 are odds for a fight that only a sucker would take, and a reputable betting site wouldn’t even be dumb enough to post.
-175 and +140 would make sense for odds for a fight, but not Rashad vs Rampage.
Because of the KO power, I would put Rampage as a slight favorite, -130 to +100. Actually, I the lines moved in that direction.
“I probs listed them both as negatives because they probs won’t have an underdog in this fight. "
In a fight, one fighter is the favorite and the other is the underdog, unless the fight in a “coin flip” (even odds = -115 each). You say that there probably will be no underdog, so you have them both listed as favorites. That makes zero sense. How can two fighters each fighting each other both be favored? The most likely outcome is a double KO???
And the -115 each is an evenly matched coin toss fight because the additional 15 is so the house makes money. They don’t take our bets for free!
VM love how u say ur not sure why i have both fighters listed as a negative
Then u provide me with the #‘s in which their both negatives. Don’t quite get what u called me out for? And @ -115 each & a long ways away from happening, my original guess @ -150/-175 aren’t very far off @ all.
THX for proving my hypotheses tho
by daniel worby on Dec 4, 2009 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Daniel Son
I will simply assume that you do not gamble on fights. -175 and -150 would ONLY BE FOR SUCKERS.
SO if anything, I proved that you are a sucker, or somone acting like they know how to bet on MMA.
BTW, good call on Schaub. All your touting of him made me do some research on him before the season started and I bet on him at +500.
Daniel
The only way both fighters will be a negative is if it is a very even fight and they are both at -110 or -115. That way I put up $115 to win $100 on Fighter A and you put up $115 to win $100 on fighter B. If fighter A wins then Vegas gives me $100 of your $115 and keeps the other $15 as profit, also known as the juice or the vig.
Fights where there is a slight favorite might show one fighter at -175, but the other one will be +120 or +130. If you ever see a gambling site list a fight at -150 on one fighter and -175 on the other, delete that site from your hard drive immediately.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
i understand the payouts and how they work. guess i just didnt kno that -115 each was the cap & they dont go any deeper. my apologies. & glad i could help with schaub man.
by daniel worby on Dec 4, 2009 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No problem Daniel!
Enjoy the fights on Saturday. Hopefully you threw down on your boy Schaub as well.
And P-Dub, thanks for taking the time to explain!
Translation:
I am deciding to live up to my contractual obligations because someone smarter than me told me that I probably can’t afford a breach of contract battle with Zuffa.
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
Of Course
Rampage will come back. He’s still under contract. We have seen what Dana/UFC does to people who are under contract with them. As far as UFC is concerned they own Rampage and they will go from propping him up and being his best friend to dragging his name through the mud in the blink of an eye. It’s all good when you are the favored child. But as soon as you and daddy Dana don’t see eye to eye you become the bastard red-headed step-child.
As far as it being pointless Rampage coming back. That is only true if the only reason you watch MMA is to see who the champ is. Yes everyone wants the belt but that is not what it is all about for the fans. At least it shouldn’t be IMHO. Notice many of the best fights in history not being championship fights or one of these mega-fights that always seem to dissapoint. Exciting fighters always have a place in the UFC. Only one guy in each division can be the top dog. And it’s not all about that man. It creates a nice story/drama/soap opera. Cinderella stories and roads to the title etc. But at the end of the day it’s the matchups that make the sport.
Another long ass post. My bad. I don’t post on here as much as some of ya’ll. But when I do I usually have a lot to say. LOL. Sorry.
by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Dec 4, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions
good points
especially about the sport not being all about the title! To me, Nog vs Randy was a much more exciting and important matchup than Lesnar vs Carwin. And what true fan wouldn’t rather see Shogun/Rampage or Franklin/Lil Nog over GSP/Hardy or Machida/Vera?
Rampage f^cked up the UFC schedule to make a Movie fendercoustic thats why Danas mad
A perfect example that your wrong is Dan Henderson who pissed off dana by getting caught eating with Coker after there contract negotiations went no were Dana still considered him a friend and business is business even though you could tell he was choked. Page on the other hand jumped into the A-Team movie before consulting with Dana , of coarse Dana is going to be pissed as you should know the build up for the Evans fight with the TUF show would have a huge PPV draw. Page cost the UFC big dollars with his move he is lucky the UFC didn’t do anything else.
Anyway I’m glad page will be fighting with a chip on his shoulder as his heart hasn’t seemed to be into it the last couple fights wich were not that exciting.
I'm glad Page screwed the UFC over by not fight Rashad right away since the UFC hyped that garbage season of TUF so much.
That’s karma if I’ve ever seen it.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
the ufc needs rampage to come back
there are so many champoins hurt or sick right now that the ufc is running out of interesting fights. page/evans can headline a ppv, but evans by himself can’t do that. they need page.
by Conan the Barbarian on Dec 4, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions
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