NSAC denies Jon Jones appeal to reverse Dec. 5 DQ loss to Matt Hamill
by Jesse Holland on Dec 23, 2009 3:00 PM EST
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The Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) on Monday denied a formal request from UFC light heavyweight Jon Jones to overturn his disqualification loss to Matt Hamill at the Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 10 Finale in Las Vegas back on Dec. 5, according to Sherdog.com.
"The Hammer" was completely obliterated on the ground, perhaps mere seconds away from a technical knockout until Jones rained down a few 12-6 elbows that caused referee Steve Mazzagatti to halt the contest. After Hamill could not continue and instant replay was utilized, Jones was disqualified for the illegal elbows.
"Bones" and Co. argued that Mazzagatti's ruling was inconsistent with the injuries that prevented Hamill from continuing. The former TUF 3 contestant was not evaluated by a physician prior to the ruling and later pointed to a shoulder injury as the beginning of the end.
More from the Jones camp:
"Nobody wants to lose. [Jones] knows he put on a good performance. We talked with him about the protest, and he was for it. He just wanted things looked at, whether it was overturned or not. He’s fine with everything." We had some good points," Ciotoli said. "Nothing against them. We just wanted them to review it. Everybody makes mistakes, and you’ve got to take a look at those mistakes. To not do that is wrong. It’s unfortunate they didn’t even look anything over, but we kind of knew that going in. If they did decide to look at it and overturn the decision, it would not make them look weak."
The NSAC has not commented on their decision to reject Jones' appeal but Hamill himself has gone on record stating that he "definitely" did not win the match and Jones "definitely" didn't lose it.
The NSAC does not concur.
Do you?
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Usually I'd question this but...
fair is fair…it had nothing to do with the stoppage but IT WAS an illegal elbow…even though it was only one out of ten
They’ve never even done that, even though Skerk swore up and down that somebody must have slipped him something.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Off topic yet awe-inspiring
If Cheick Kongo has any fans out there, they should seriously reconsider their fanfare after watching this embarrassing interview.
http://www.mmamania.com/2009/12/23/1217224/kongo-jay-silva-lew-polley-talk
I forget who this was originally posted by, but it was NOT me
NSAC is old school
NSAC doesnt the have knowledge of the sport to objectively replay a video? They should allow at least a 2 hr arbitration ruling for questionable issues. It would be good to hear ‘why’ they stand by some of their decisions. At times the NSAC is a typically unobjective, politically inclined organization… buncha’ eggheads.
Terrible decision, but I'm not surprised
These commissions never admit it when they fuck up, Bones got screwed out of a big win.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter on the planet...any Anderson Silva fight that is on, people should be buying that PPV, not because he’s my fighter but you know what, he to me is like the Muhammad Ali of MMA...the UFC has been around since 1993, nobody (else) has 10 consecutive wins in the UFC. Anderson has had 10 fights in the UFC, only 1 has ever gone to a decision."
Ed Soares on why Andy is the best fighter in the world
NSACS amazingly frustrating...
It’s frustrating to know that lots of other people could do their job competently, yet we have no choice but to watch NSAC make judgmental mistakes over n’ over.
scratch that extra 'S'
Incase the spell nazi’s r out patroling tonight.
Good thing
They’d rather us see a guy getitng hit in the balls 3 times in one fight. Thanks NSAC, you make your point.
!!!
Ahh….come on man,i mean,those shots had NOTHING to do with Hamill being hurt,Hamill was hurt way before with the punches,hammerfists and legal elbows,but this should be another win for Jones,or,at the very least,a no contest!
by mma200 on Dec 23, 2009 3:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
By the NSAC's logic Cerrone should have been DQ'd the other nite too
But wasn’t. So much for consistency.
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
The good part of this...
This decision will not slow down Bones at all. Just a learning experience.
But that's the thing..
This isn’t a learning experience that you would gain from a lose, the exact opposite.
You are correct and the decision sucks but...
Bones has to let this go and move on. If his handlers are pushing this and think they are doing him a favor, they are wrong. It will get harder and harder for him to process it mentally if he keeps “losing” this fight over and over. At the end of the day, it has absolutely no affect on his career. It will actually help him in the court of public opinion and boost his profile immensely. He is officially someone to watch, and is very close to becoming a legitimate PPV draw.
I think it should have been a no-contest for sure...
but oh well he manned-up and took it and he will keep destroying guys anyway
No-Contest
your right, a N.C. would be the correct and most fair decision. However that commission would never admit their ref sucks and made the wrong decision as he so frequently does.
Calu
Oh well...
Everybody knows he destroyed Hamill anyways. This in no way impacts his ranking in the division. Increases it in my eyes.
Don't eat yellow snow.
Agreed...but
It in no way effected the outcome, so it is still unfortunate, but overall I guess it is not a big deal.
yep...he'll beat Vera then
he’ll fight someone like the loser from Shad/Thiago or Forest and win…I predict a title shot for Bones in early 2011
I don't see why not Mac.
He is only getting better all the time and the Hamill fight was his first camp with Jackson and you could already see the improvement.
Don't eat yellow snow.
A lot of ifs...
If Shogun wins next, then the Spider beats his ass, and Bones keeps winning, Spider vs Jones early 2011. I would love to see it!
Don't eat yellow snow.
if Shogun wins the flood gates will open for sure...
But I see Silva beating Shogun and holding both belts…its hard to say who will be the champ this time next year but the candidates seem to be Shogun, Chida, Silva, or maybe even Bones
Good
Now perhaps he can stop whining and take the DQ as a man.
by Lester The Pimp on Dec 23, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions
Why should he?!
A DQ was an injustice. No way did he look like the loser at the end of that fight. Nor did Hamil in ANY way resemble a winner. It shopuld have been a no contest.
Calu
Why didn't Mazzagatti stop and warn him or deduct a point first?
Then, if the illegal blows continued then DQ him. truth is he was already damaged goods before those couple illegal blows .
Calu
because of the cut…they used video replay to justify the stoppage for the first time in MMA history…the illegal elbow cut him and he couldn’t continue…he might have been cut already but it doesn’t matter. Your right though, Hamill was already damaged before the elbow but it doesn’t matter….they can’t clearly say that the legal elvows did any more or less damage than the illeagl one did
That's right!
they can’t clearly say that the legal elvows did any more or less damage than the illeagl one did SO, rule it a no contest as Hamill in no way, shape form or fashion one that fight. He had his butt handed to him on a platter and he has even admitted it himself.
Calu
This ruling does not really matter
If Jones keeps winning that is. If he goes undefeated over the next 2-3 years, this will turn out as a type of Fedor situation, where even though he has a loss on his record nobody will consider it as such. No big deal, he was right to appeal, NSAC was right to deny, everyone moves on. The only thing that really matters is that Jones lost a win bonus, but Dana probably helped him out after the fight
by domino effect on Dec 23, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they can Mac
Hamill even said the reason he couldnt continue was because of his shoulder… he didnt hurt his shoulder because of an elbow
by PHISH NATION on Dec 23, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't matter what he said...
did they stop the Faber/Brown fight cause Faber broke his hand? no……his shoulder injury was a result of Jones’ throw, but Hamill didn’t tap because of it…he continued and got hit with an illegal elbow which is all that matters…
Jones wrestled 197lbs
That was Bones weight class at NJCAA in 2006… not a chance he will even consider dropping to 185…. Anthony Johnson is definitely rare in his category of weight cutting but he wrestled 174lbs in college… so I can see him making 170’s with a lot of sacrifice
1 205lbr I know for sure can make 185lbs.
Rashad Evans, he use to wrestle at 174lbs in 2004… He’s only 5 ‘ll’… but he’s doing so good at 205lbs, no need for him to move down at this point.
Rumble has struggled badly to make the cut
Clearly he shouldn’t be fighting at 170 and cutting as much weight as he does isn’t doing him any favours, he’s either far too dehydrated to fight at his best or comes in well overweight.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter on the planet...any Anderson Silva fight that is on, people should be buying that PPV, not because he’s my fighter but you know what, he to me is like the Muhammad Ali of MMA...the UFC has been around since 1993, nobody (else) has 10 consecutive wins in the UFC. Anderson has had 10 fights in the UFC, only 1 has ever gone to a decision."
Ed Soares on why Andy is the best fighter in the world
U might be right'
I’m not really sure on that one David’’’ he looked solid against Koscheck and lost his composure on the canvas due to lack of Jits & defensive wrestling skill and probably gassed a little. UR right it is a huge weight cut since he probably put on an extra 5 lbs of muscle at least since college and he’s cutting an extra 4 lbs since then to make weight… However, they do rehydrate via IV and do not have to weigh again, like they would for a 2 day wrestling tournament. Until I see Johnson obviously gas out in a fight or him say he can’t make the weight I’m gonna’ say fighting at 170lbs is the right weight class. He’s only 25 yrs old he’ll eventually move up to 185lbs.
He collapsed before the Kos fight before the weight cut and he was 6lbs over the limit against Yoshida
That to me is a clear sign that he shouldn’t be fighting at 170 anymore.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter on the planet...any Anderson Silva fight that is on, people should be buying that PPV, not because he’s my fighter but you know what, he to me is like the Muhammad Ali of MMA...the UFC has been around since 1993, nobody (else) has 10 consecutive wins in the UFC. Anderson has had 10 fights in the UFC, only 1 has ever gone to a decision."
Ed Soares on why Andy is the best fighter in the world
Jones v.s. Silva?
I say give Jones 4 more fights and he could beat the Spider! I’m dead serious too.
Calu
No Dana hasn't Mazzagatti has...
Fight after fight he has demonstrated he is a second-rate ref.
Calu
true but Dana made it worse by calling him on it...I'm not saying he's a good ref but
many people (probably not us) will question him every time he’s working….in fact, Mazz did the right thing in the Hamill/Jones fight…he didn’t make the call…the call was made via instant replay and from doctors advice
I think Mazagatti is a horrible ref, the worst.... but
I have to admit he did the right thing with the instant replay… that guy should instant replay all his shitty calls and learn from it…. maybe he is?
The only problem here is
that the illegal blows were so ineffectual it’s just probably a little hard for Jones to swallow. To say he should take it like a man is a little odd considering how professional he has acted throughout the entire issue. He threw 2 illegal elbows. 1 missed, 1 grazed. Seems like if you graze a guy with an illegal shot, and that guy is already looking to be a bloody corpse with a dislocated shoulder, perhaps the fight should have already been over. Or, perhaps once it did end it should be acknowledged why it is over, and based on why it is over, the winner should be determined.
I agree Bones has been pretty classy
He might make more fans as a result of the way he handled this than he would if he’d actually “won” the fight. Everyone who saw it knows the deal, and the 1 loss on his record will probably be regarded about like Fedor’s 1 loss has been, if Jones keeps winning.
I will be interested
to see if this has any effect on his mindset and gameplan going forward. Since this is his first “loss” and it came, albeit indirectly, from his in-the-moment style of striking, I hope this doesn’t make him have the urge to become more timid. I’m a big fan so I hope not.
He seems like he’s got a good head on his shoulders however, and should bounce back just fine.
I’d love to see him and Vera hook up and then maybe one more fight before getting a shot at someone at the level of the loser of the Rashad/Silva fight.
Albino Mormon 4 Life
Why lighten his sentence?
Set an example out of Jones. Fighters should look at this and just know to be extra careful when they fight. Jonny boy could very well have ended Hamill’s career if he hit him in the eye socket right? Does he practice those elbows on a dummy bag or something? Fair is fair and he just needs to be more disciplined next time.
disagree.
I don’t think it was Jon’s intend to injure Matt. There should be no stiff or hash penalties for first time offenders. Jon was throwing everything at him and got sloppy. He didn’t plan or train for this to happen.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
He didn't realize he was breaking the rules
but he did land 3 illegal elbows. It is different when you use several illegal strikes and not realize it than say aim for the inside leg and hit the cup. Ruling not fair for Jones, strikes not fair for Hamill=wash. Original ruling should stand. I’m not saying Jones was malicious though.
I don't know if it should be a DQ or a no decision
But it really doesn’t matter. It might be a small blemish on his record, but everyone in the world knows who won that fight. That’s all that matters.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
jay, Mac, BZ, Alpha, anyone??
Hey I’m thinking bout going to Machida/Shogun ll in Vancouver. If my buddies a fight club member does he get 1st dibs at tickets? If so how many can he get? Do u know an approximate price for good seats? Not front row, but good. And is there soooooo many members that it’ll just sell out in less than a minute like mtl did even with members?
Sorry for the random post. Hope you guys can help. THX.
by daniel worby on Dec 23, 2009 6:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
daniel
I thought Machida/Shogun was in Montreal? Fight club members do get first dibs on seats. I’ve only bought my tickets two at a time, so I don’t know how many you can get. I think 6. But I also believe after you get six you can log out and in, then buy 6 more?? Floor seats are 600.
I sat in the lower bowl (think the seats along the glass at a hockey game in the same arena) the tickets were 550. Lower bowl but up a bit are 400. Second deck is 250. Upper deck in the nose bleeds are 100 or 50.
Yes, it most likely will sell out in the first 12 hours. But you have to be online waiting for your turn to jump into line. Know what I mean? If the tickets go on sale at 1200, you have to log in at like 9, or you will be waiting forever and the best tickets are all gone.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
THX jay
Also, think you are right. It is mtl. Fo we know who (if any) is on Vancouver card? I know GSP is squashed due to 111 in jersey. I am tired and drawing blanks. Looking it up on the blackberry while driving in this shit weather takes forever.
Thanks again for the quick reply man.
by daniel worby on Dec 23, 2009 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No problem. I was on this thread and it popped up, it was good timing.
I haven’t heard anything about the fights in Vancouver yet, they haven’t even set a definite date yet. Too bad about your shit weather. We haven’t had any snow at all this year, yet.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
the bigger picture
the bigger issue is not whether he won or lost it’s how poorly it was handled. You have a ref ask a deaf guy with blood draining into his eyes if he can continue.
but my understanding is that the 12-6 is just as illegal from the bottom as it is from the top (obviously it’d become a 6-12) and diego must have landed 10 to clay’s head and nothing was said, by rogan, by the ref, by anyone….
they need to educate these refs.
Katch don't get me going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freakin Mazzagatti is so stupid. He asks a deaf guy; “Can you continue Matt” Matt thinks; dude I’m deaf I’m not gonna answer because I have no idea what yu’re saying. Only Mazzagatti…
Calu
Matt and Jon are pure class
I got respect for both fighters, jon jones is the future of the sport, and matt hamil is pure class. Even when he was robbed of his win over bisping, he didn’t complain. So Jon jones will be fine. And matt got a win maybe thanks to karma
by Jesse13 on Dec 23, 2009 7:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Good call Jesse
I totally agree. While I thought a no contest was better call he still was classy about it. And Hamill is just a guy you cant hate on for any reason. The Bisping fight was the worst decision ever in my opinion…
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