Fedor Emelianenko vs Fabricio Werdum possible for April Strikeforce CBS event
by Jesse Holland on Dec 21, 2009 9:49 AM EST
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WAMMA heavyweight champion and Strikeforce marquee attraction Fedor Emelianenko (31-1) will likely return to the CBS airwaves in April 2010 when he welcomes a challenge from Fabricio Werdum (13-4-1) in a bout tentatively scheduled for the next installment of "Saturday Night Fights."
While nothing is official at this time, Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker confirmed his intentions of bringing the two heavyweights together during his post-fight remarks following the "Evolution" event on Dec. 19.
"The Last Emperor" made his promotion debut in Hoffman Estates, Illinois, taking a very game Brett Rogers into the second round before finishing him with a "Grim" overhand right that sent the former tire mechanic into the shop for repairs.
Emelianenko suffered a hand injury during the CBS televised fight and was sidelined for several weeks; however, the former PRIDE FC heavyweight champion will likely be available for an April return.
And as "Vai Cavalo" will tell you, good things come to those who wait.
Werdum was already calling out the Russian Sambo champion after his Nov. 7 decision win over Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva, also on CBS.
The Brazilian submission specialist has notched two wins under the Strikeforce banner since debuting for the San Jose-based promotion at "Carano vs Cyborg" back in August. While Werdum's ultimate goal is to hold the division title, current "champion" Alistair Overeem has still not confirmed a timetable for his return.
Stay tuned to MMAmania.com for more information on the upcoming Strikeforce CBS event as they develop.
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but tough pronounciation...
…for the casual fan
by Danza Macabra on Dec 21, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
tough pronounciation?
ok, people who speak english does have a little harder time pronouncing non-english names, I can accept that but these two are pretty easy.
Fedor will dominate this fight, Fabricio is too slow.
jag gör de me auktoritet.
Dude I think he was making a funny
"Maybe Mur is going through menopause and is retaining water"---Ubernoober
yet another ufc second rate dropout for the magnificent fedor! His legend continues!
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"
Go comment on a UFC thread then.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So long as the UFC is picking up guys like Baroni, and has the Kimbo's of the world, I think using terms like "UFC dropout" is a little ridiculous.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
those guys are used just used to fill rosters and make fights though
the fact that they have a fan base is why they are hired by the UFC they will never fight any top ten opponent and will be put on a few of the 25+ events a year the UFC puts on.
Well then don't make it sound like a guy of Werdum's quality couldn't hack it in the UFC...
because he’s better than a great number of UFC fighters. You could say, “Oh, the guy that wanted a title shot, but got upset by a really good up-and-comer and Dana let him go because he wasn’t making him any money.” But making it sound like he’s not a good enough fighter for the UFC is silly. He’s already beaten the guy you all want Fedor to face!
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
I think we all would prefer to see Fedor face
Brock, Carwin, Cain, Santos, ASilva, Mir, Santos, Rua, Machida and even NOG again over Werdum. Be honest with yourself if Werdum was in the UFC and Fedor came into the UFC would you really want to see Werdum fight Fedor over any of those guys?
Sorry I knew I should've clarified for the morons like Phish Nation...
I’m obviously talking about Overeem, who he can actually fight, unlike the UFC fighters. Fedor wouldn’t fight ASilva, Dana won’t let Silva fight Mir, you think he’s going to let him fight Fedor? Also Fedor wouldn’t be fighting Rua or Machida because it makes no sense for the UFC. This isn’t about who I’d rather see him fight anyway. I’d rather watch GSP fight Silva but you don’t see me crying in the Hardy threads. All I was commenting on was the statement making it sound like Werdum wasn’t a good enough fighter to be in the UFC, because it was a ridiculous statement. No amount of imaginary matchmaking is going to change that.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Nice name calling
but more people are clamoring for a Fedor/Lesnar match than a Fedor/ Overeem match.
"Maybe Mur is going through menopause and is retaining water"---Ubernoober
If he's going to be a smartass I'm going to call it like it is...
And no shit about which people more people want to see, but LIKE I SAID ABOVE, I’m talking about fighters he can actually face right now, and NOT UFC fighters.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
*Should read*...
“And no shit about which fight more people want to see…”
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
diceman – youre clutching at straws, nobody wants to this fight to happen except werdum coker and finklstien – lame
Grasping at straws is the expression...
And I’ve made it very clear I have zero respect for anything you have to say regarding MMA. You obviously haven’t read this whole dialogue or don’t comprehend English well if that’s all you’re bringing to the table right now.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
I agree crinow!!
Boooooooring! At least he isnt fighting another MW (Hendo)… keep fighting not top 5 competition Fedor, we all know all you care about is your undefeated record.
by PHISH NATION on Dec 21, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor fighting a MW is like your hero Brock fighting Couture...
Except if Fedor fought Hendo he wouldn’t have 50+ pounds on him like Brock had on Couture. You want to go there you need to realize it’s a two-way street.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Brock and Randy were in the same weight class, not the case with Henderson and Fedor. And the reason Randy dropped to LHW is because he knows that as long as Brock is the champ he’ll never have a shot at winning the title.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
I'm well aware of the weight classes, but the only issue with Fedor fighting a MW would be the weight issue right?
So if you want to knock one fighter for having a significant weight advantage, that same standard should apply to all fighters. It doesn’t make sense to bash a 230lb fighter for fighting a 185lb fighter(although Hendo would prob be more like 210 if he fought Fedor) and not have an issue with a guy that weighs 280lbs fighting a guy that weighs 220lbs. People are a little short on common sense when it comes to their favorite fighters.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
If there are HW's weighing in at 210, that is their problem
That’s what they get for being too stupid or too lazy to drop 5 pounds.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
weight
Fine so say the same for Hendo. Its a hypothetical fight anyways. And if it EVER were to happen FEDOR and Hendo would be much closer weighed and Hendo would probs be 215ish while FEDOR is 240 max. So, 35 isn’t bad.
If you’re going to discredit FEDOR in any of this you have to discredit Lesnar as well. Because, its the same shit different pile.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who would discredit Fedor for beating Henderson?
Anybody who beats Hendo at any weight, deserves a pat on the back. Hendo isn’t a big LHW but Fedor isn’t a big HW either. I think Hendo is the fourth of fifth best fighter at SF, that’s all classes combined.
I’m not a fan of either of them, but I give credit where it is due. Beating Hendo would be tougher for him than beating Werdum will be.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I think you missed my point jay...
I was referring to the Lesnar-Couture fight as an example of why a Brock fan shouldn’t bash Fedor for fighting a MW. That was really my only point.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Brock vs. Randy is worse then Fedor vs. Hendo
And I am a fan of Lesnar, the other 3 I don’t like at all. Hendo also isn’t any ordinary MW. I was agreeing with you and worby.
I’m a Brock fan and a Hendo, Fedor hater. I will never bash Fedor or any man who has the sand to get in the cage with Dan Henderson.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
If any one remembers the Henderson going to SF threads
They’ll remember I said Hendo wasn’t worth more money because he doesn’t affect the PPV sales. I’ve always thought Hendo would be one of the hardest men to stop at any weight class.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I hear exactly what you're saying jay...
your first response just threw me off a little.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
jay
Ya, that’s cool I kind of figured you were sided with us on that. Someone above wasn’t though.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brock vs Randy is more uneven then Fedor vs Hendo
EXACTLY! I hate how people are blinded by the weight classes instead of looking at fighters actual weight in determining what is or isn’t a reasonable/fair fight. Hendo vs Fedor is more fair and reasonable than Brock vs Randy. Likewise Fedor vs Anderson is more fair and makes more sense than Anderson vs GSP, but people are so blinded by the weight classes and the fact that Silva is MW champ that they forget he’s within 5-10 lbs of a flabby Fedor but is 40 lbs bigger than GSP and they criticize GSP for not challenging himself by fighting a guy who walks around 3 weight classes above him.
Fedor by whatevr he wants lol
Fedor by sub…because his last 2 have been k.o’s and hes a little sick of hurting his hands off these guys chins
LOL
we need a good armbar don’t we
"Maybe Mur is going through menopause and is retaining water"---Ubernoober
Absolutely!
Great to see Fedor fight again, but what in the hell is Strikeforce doing wasting their time with Overeem!?!? It’s obvious that Fedor should be fighting for the title and not some heavyweight that he could beat with one arm tied behind his back. I really enjoy Strikeforce, but not having Fedor fight for the heavyweight belt is just absurd. As far as Hendo goes, I can’t wait to see him beat the shit out of Shields! If you thought the highlight KO of Bisping was something, just wait til you see what he does to Shields!
If you guys would've followed Strikeforce a little better you would know that Coker said that Fedor wouldn't faced Overeem if he was on that card anyway.
by Alpha Male. on Dec 21, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
They talked about that fight to happen in FEG/Dream not Strikeforce, puck, but maybe they would’ve pushed for it to happen in Strikeforce if Overeem was done with his contract with FEG. Simple speculation though.
by Alpha Male. on Dec 21, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
AA camp said they feel they were left high and dry and weren’t filled in on the cancellation of their fight until we all knew. So yes it was under the the impression they’d be hooking it up, but turns out Alistair feels he needs a better fitted opponent for himself (take that whatever way you’d like), after fighting so often in the last little while.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Overroids is the worst champion in MMA history
He’s a fight ducker who hasn’t once defended a title in at least 2 years, has shown no intentions in fighting in the US and just takes fights against crap or past it opponents in Japan. The only thing that I don’t like about SF is that they’re continuing to allow Overroids to hold a title that he’ll never defend, instead of allowing the best HW in the world to fight for it.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
This should be a title fight!
I agree with you 100% David. Letting Overoids parade around the world wearing the SF belt while fighting in every other organization BUT the one he’s champion of, is disgraceful and makes SF look like a flipping joke. Coker needs to draw a line in the sand and give Overroids a deadline to defend the belt or be stripped of it regardless of his excuses/injuries whatever. Seeing the belt on somebody else’s waist may be what he needs to motivate him, not to mention losing the right to use that belt to promote himself in other countries, which is all he’s done with it since he won it.
LOL
Exactly! Kind of lame that Mousasi wants to fight on only the cards that Fedor will fight on. O’ well just means 2 great fighters fighting on one night.
Coker already dispelled that rumor saying that Gegard could fight on any card, not just the one's Fedor fights on.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
coker is like Dana... a promoter.
Gegard said (I believe the ghuy himself, not the promoter) that his contract states he’ll only fight on Fedor cards, not his choice! Oh and here’s one of 33 links I got to the story..
BOOM!
http://urdirt.com/2009/12/08/gegard-mousasi-competing-for-k-1-at-dynamite-only-fights-for-strikeforce-on-same-card-with-fedor-emelianenko/
I'll try to find something better later on, kev!
by Alpha Male. on Dec 21, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
alpha,
he can fight overseas in other events, but in the U.S. he can only fight on the same cards as Fedor!
was Fedor signed yet???
I’m just going by what Gegard said, the track record and the craziness that is M-1, not trying to have a debate over something that will prove itself! and if it’s true it’s a dumb and awful idea! It’s arguably their two best assets! a Josh Gross tweet holds no water when I have 35 Gegard himself quotes!
i know
a quote from someone speaking to someone who obviously isn’t gonna admit to holding a guy hostage!
it’s a mute point Alpha, we will just have to follow the trend and see where it leads us. when gegard fights in april and then again in july/aug when fedor fights again, you can say “Kev, you were right.”
yes Fedor was singned they got him around the 3th and the fight was the 15th, I think!
And he was ready to fight b/c he was supposed to fight the 1st. Look I don’t have the time to find you something better right now I might later!
there is nothing better
I searched, the Josh Gross second hand tweet is all thats out there. I got all day, I’ll look further and as I’ve done in the past, admit if I’m wrong (which this time I’ll be doing no admitting)!
it was already planned, so they couldn’t have the stipulation on an already signed bout. After that, it won’t happen again. I’m not quoting anything, just using common sense. He was fighting in Aug (planned months ahead of time0 and Fedor was signed in AUG. You gonna cancel his fight? no! So he fought, and now M-1 (the slave owner) wants their only 2 stars on all the same cards. It really makes no business sense as Gegard is a rising star and if you separate the 2, you’ll make more money, but then again, M-1 doesn’t make sense so…
First off, Coker is no Dana White...
Just like Dana White is no Don King. They’re both promoters, but Coker isn’t the arrogant prick that White is. Second, all of those links are all relying on the same quote, which doesn’t even state what you’re saying it does, it IMPLIES that they’re contractually obligated, but Moussasi does NOT in ANY of those links say that they are contractually obligated to fight like you say he does. Perhaps all of those sites took the same quote(which they obviously did) and interpreted it in their own way without looking into it? Time will tell, and you may very well be right, but those links don’t do it for me. If it turns out you’re right, call me out later Kev, and I’ll eat my crow.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
me too
and that was the (joking) point. it’s all the ame date and quote, just like Alpha only has the Josh gross quote. you are right, time will tell!
Both fighter was signed at the same time and they were already under contract with M-1, plus both were supposed to fight (planned months ahead of time) at the same date and they could’ve match Fedor against Roger like it was supposed to happen for Affliction.
lmao
“be right?” you just said Fedor was supposed to fight rogers in affliction. don’t get all butt hurt because I caught it. Barnett fucked Fedor’s fight for affliction. I don’t need to be right, i have 1 quote, you have 1 quote. I see a trend beginning, you don’t. No biggie buddy, you get too upset when someone disagrees with you. Mark this down, in aug, when they’ve been on 3 events in the U.S. together, we’ll say I’m right. If Gegard fights on a card himself (that Fedor was NEVER) scheduled, I’ll give you a 100 bucks, deal!
lol, I’m not butt hurt. All your quotes come from the Ariel interview (the same guy that said that Cro Cop will never fight again in the UFC) so how credible is that? And Mousasi saying at the very end “But sooner would be also be fine by me” so I guess that I’ll will accept your $100 then!
we shall see buddy
we shall see! Ive never had a problem admitting when I’m wrong, of course when it happens so rarely, why would I have a problem with it. In all seriousness, I have no problem if you’re right, from a business sense it makes sense and Gegard wants to stay more active than fedor, I like that too!
that post made me lol'd, bud!
hey, I’m not looking to be right either. I’m just stating what is out there also. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen a quote other than Gross on the subject elsewhere. Like you said only time will tell and if your right I will have not problem to telling you that I was misinformed on the subject, don’t worry about that. And if I was right …I don’t want your $100 anyway, I was only just saying that the situation is not clear.
kev
Not to interfere or anything, but I read that Rogers was suppose to stand in for Barnett, too. But Affliction just cancelled the whole event, rather than have Rogers fight. Was I reading lies? It wouldn’t surprise me if the poster who said that was lying. I just wanted to know if there was any truth to it.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I heard that coker stepped in and said no way, he hadn’t been training to fight, just training to stay in shape, so it would have been a knock on strikeforce. plus affliction was already in cahoots with FC so they could sposor fighters again!
I would think that throwing a replacement in and trying to save your
company would be more important than sponsoring fighters though, wouldn’t you? I believe what you say though, Kev. I just read my version on here from a dumbass.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
not necessarily
If you know you’re going under, and your “bread and butter” is t shirts and your overpaying of guys fighting on your cards is failing, would you rather pay venue, employees etc and have a shit event (without Fedor) or fold, sell all video rights to UFC and sell t shirts? you gotts understand, now the UFC owns Fedor’s fights (in the U.S.from pride and affliction. Strikeforce has nothing except Rogers! thats a fucking badass DVD a the UFC owns and Fedor has never fought in the UFC!
Yeah, you're right
They would have folded after the event anyway, probably. I knew that dude was probably wrong anyway. You forgot to add the word YET on the bottom of that post. Fedor has never fought in the UFC, YET.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I agree
with the yet, but they own a fedor highlight dvd or even 2 and he’s never fought for them. who says dana isn’t a brilliant business man!?
Where did you hear that
the UFC owns Fedors American footage.
I heard somewhere that Fedor and M-1 have the rights to all of his fight videos
dude.....i am
in europe.
use your head, ufc bought pride and their library, and the deal to let affliction back into the UFC was with their (few) fedor footage. I believe fedor owns his affliction fights in europe, I may be wrong. I know for a fact the UFC owns all Fedor pride/affliction fights if they wanted to release a dvd or 2 in the states!
I heard that too brendog, BUT
Did you notice that SF didn’t show ANY Fedor Highlights when trying to promote the CBS event. Even their “Countdown”-style show was all just training footage. Why would they not show clips of him destroying Arlovski, Sylvia, and warring with CroCop & Nog, and tapping Choi…unless they were legally restricted from doing so. This is typical of Dana’s blackballing style. Frank Shamrock was the first MW/LHW champ and 5 time title winner in the pre-Zuffa UFC but they’ve erased him from their history and sealed all his footage so he can’t make a dime off his UFC accomplishments.
so...
you believe a Josh Gross second hand quote or do you believe Gegard himself? look at the trend, he last fought on a card with Fedor and is expected to fight in april on a card…with Fedor! come on man!
it makes sense, guys
Kev is right, Gegard definitely said that. And it makes perfect sense As I pointed out in the other thread, Mousasi isn’t a big enough name to warrant profit-splitting on his own, so why would M-1 want to let him fight on a card they’re not getting a cut of, or why would SF want to split profits with M-1on additional cards to have Mousasi headline when Carano, Diaz, Hendo, shit even Hershel Walker can draw a bigger crowd on CBS than Mousasi. It makes sense for everyone to keep them on the same card so SF only has to profit-split once and M-1 has 2 fingers in one very big pie on CBS where Mousasi will get more exposure instead of putting him on smaller cards that they don’t get a cut of.
Haha!
I was just joking but I guess is true! Pretty lame of M1 and stupid of Strikeforce to accept those terms!
not lame at all, it's completely rational
read my post above for why this makes good business sense for all involved.
yay April 1st is my bday
Happy bday to me! FEDOR the god of mma and Russian athlete of the year brings me smiles on my bday.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm on the 7th.....
Rogers vs Werdum are not exactly cans but not thery’re not Brock, Cain, Carwin, Mir, JDS either
Why the disrespect for Werdum?
Who has Cain and Carwin beat to deserve to be placed so far above Werdum? Quality wins for Cain: Rothwell and Kongo. Quality win for Carwin: Gonzaga. Quality wins for Werdum: Bigfoot, Vera, Gonzaga (twice), Fedor’s little brother, and Overeem.
I’m not denying Cain and Carwin are quality guys, but people seem to remember Werdum getting KTFO by JDS and his slap fest with Arlovski and nothing else.
by Pantherhare on Dec 21, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I hear what ur saying but
Werdum just seems weak to me and fighters getting cut by the UFC and then fighting Fedor just doesn’t seem to sit well will with me, it’s like Fedor is fighting second rate fighters not in the UFC but I hear you and you make good points
I agree with you on that point, Werdum just seems lower tier. I think I’d be more excited about a Werdum/Rogers fight than this death march.
He's not an exciting fighter but he does have talent
he lacks punching power and strength in the HW division. He is a smaller version of NOG with near the same JJ skills.
This was my fear, SF doesn’t have any depth to their roster at HW yet at all. Werdum is the only fight they can give him unless Overeem can fight, which he clearly says he won’t. SF have to hang with Overeem, or they will have no one worthwhile to fight Fedor. They must be buying time to try and bring some more talent in for him to fight. What a waste…
you're the april fool
just sayin
"At home I am a nice guy: but I don't want the world to know. Humble people, I've found, don't get very far"
Muhammad Ali - GOAT
It makes no sense...
to call Fedor #1 in the world then not have him fight for their title. It just makes their title look worthless. If he’s not fighting Overeem next they really need to strip Alistair and have this fight for the belt.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 21, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions
wouldnt be surprised if that ends up happening
Overeem sadi he still has 1 more k-1 fight and he planbs on doing that in spring 2010
dude.....i am
Yes, Overeem will not be seen in SF til fall of ‘10 so, it’ll be a long while if they don’t strip him.
‘10? Sounds and looks weird. Oh well. Guess most will say ’twenty ten’.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It seems like they are just trying to market him to the american audiences a bit more until they blow their wad on a real fight. Problem is they need to market Overeem as well, and he can’t be found. What a joke. That’s one of the many problems of organizations letting their fighters dictate who they fight and when they fight.
Rooting for a submission win this time...
I love Fedor’s boxing skill but I want him to submit “Vai Cavalo” and prove his ground game is also top ranked.
"Once Flamengo, Flamengo until die"
Fedor will take whats given to him and most likely Werdum who is a good JJ artist won't get subbed
I can see him getting TKO on the ground though Fedot is relentless when he’s on top and werdum will not have the strength to fend off Fedors Fury.
Fedor will still be able to sub Werdum
Fedor doesn’t get into technical jitz wars, he rattles your brains first then makes pretzels out of you. Its like someone recently said (help me out on the source and exact wording):
“A JiuJitsu black belt gets punched in the face once, he becomes a brown belt. Two more times and he’s a blue belt.”
So don’t be surprised to see Fedor submit guys with much better JJ creds, or even skills than his own. He knows how to level the BJJ playing field real fast.
Fedor- by early overwhelming
This is a garbage fight. Yes, Werdum is talented on the ground, but his chances of it going there are slim to none. SF is wasting Fedor’s fights. He isn’t going to be fighting for SF forever, one would think they would want to use him in the best fights possible.
Who here thinks Werdum has any chance of getting this to the second round?
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Who do you recommend though? It was meant to be 4 man tourney with FEDOR/Rogers and Werdum/Silva winners squaring off. Winner gets Overeem. In August by the sounds of it, all the above will be accomplished.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are right.
There isn’t a lot of talent (outside the UFC) for him to fight right now. But since they cross-promo I would say get Shilt to fight him. I would be more excited to see him fight someone with at least one attribute that is arguably better than Fedor’s repertoire. Werdum only has a ground game and Fedor’s ground game is better IMO. At least Shilt might have a striking advantage(maybe), or Badr or anyone other than Werdum.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I agree about the 4 man tourney, though.
Werdum did win it, and deserves his fight, I guess.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Fedor already beat Shilt
and next to Overreem, Werdum is next best but still is not a good fight but it goes back to the same agrument, why is Fedor not in the UFC
Schilt
Ya, that crossed my mind as well, though I do just see another arm bar or leg lock from FEDOR coming out of that. Schilt is improving, but I still have a hard time believing in the big, lanky guys. He’s getting more technical in K1, but I think FEDOR owns him in mma.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was only using him as an example of a fighter who MIGHT at least have an edge on Fedor in one discipline.
Werdum’s best on the ground, Fedor is better on the ground than Werdum. Shilt might have the striking advantage at least.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Having an edge on Fedor doesn't seem to matter much
CroCop had an edge on Fedor in the striking game, AA had the edge in boxing, lots of guys had size advantage, Coleman and Randleman had the edge on him in wrestling, Nog had the edge in Jitz. Doesn’t matter…Fedor is indomitable! You can have all the edges you want, he’s still gonna find a way to beat you.
Hey Jay, where is your new sig quote from?
*taps his head*
Right up here, brother. I want to know why people aren’t talking about Franks massive improvements in such a short time.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Other than Alistair
there is really no other heavyweight, including Lashley, in Strikeforce that could legitimately challenge Fedor. And don’t say Hendo because he is not heavyweight.
Nor has Hendo earned it as of yet. Plus, he squashed that rumour fast saturday night saying “I don’t know where that is coming from”. Following it up by saying he’s staying at his comfortable weight class for now.
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Boo
I’d rather see sumone else but i guess they got no one else becoz of the pansy overeem and his K1 fetish which i rather enjoy btw,but i’d rather see him fight megareem or barnett sumhow, megareems ducking fedor coz he knows his been fighting cans till now so he needs a tuneup like rogers probly i’m probly wrong but meh, Werdum vs Ferdor Blows, they better give the MOOSE a good opponent
IDK what you've been watching
But Overeem has been fioghting some of the best Kickboxers in the world the past couple of months.
I agree he should be stripped of SF title though due to inactivity in MMA/SF
dude.....i am
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You can’t say he is ducking Fedor, he has been ducking the sport as a whole. I hold no grudges toward him for fighting K1, I like his skills there better than his MMA skills.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Jay
I agree that Overeems K1 skills are tremendous, but at the same time you have to remember he is the Strikeforce HW Champ! So either defend your belt or give the damn thing up. Why would you not want to defend your title???
B/c he couldn't do it before b/c he didn't had any contract!
by Alpha Male. on Dec 21, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
OK
That’s pretty lame… How long has he had a contract now??? The guys just sitting on the title, and if anyone else does it rather it be UFC or Strikeforce he gets killed for it. Can’t see why so many of you guys are trying to defend Overeem!?!?
He got a new contract just before spring, He was supposed to come fighting in the US, but he injured himself in a bar fight. I don’t have the choice to defending him b/c dumb fans doesn’t seems to understand what really is going on.
by Alpha Male. on Dec 21, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not even defending the guy...
I am by no means a fan. I just prefer to see him in K1. His skills are best put to use there. But like Alpha is saying, he isn’t ducking. This is Scott Cokers fault, not Overeems. Overeem can’t strip the title from himself, that is Scotts job.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Coker won’t do it, because he’s got absolutely no one to even remotely challenge Fedor besides Overeem. If he pulls the trigger, he loses alot more than one fighter. So, let’s say Overeem fights Fedor in the summer 2010 and wins, does he then wait another 2 yrs to fight?
I know slim
But there is no reason to blame Overeem for still having the belt, it has nothing to do with him.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
yes there is
I blame him cause it’s his choice. I do blame Coker for not stripping him or forcing his hand, but the real blame here is on Overroids for not defending his title. He’s fighting for every other freaking promotion and using the SF belt to market himself but he can’t defend his belt cause he’s injured??? You can kickbox with a broken hand, but not fight MMA? Face it, dude won’t fight Stateside cause he can’t pass a drug-screen and he’s psychologically addicted to the juice and afraid to fight without it.
I try to not make steroid accusations, without failed drug tests
I hate it when people do it to Brock and GSP. So I’ve promised myself not to do it about any other fighters.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
I agree with you in principle, Jay
But Brock and GSP regularly pass drug tests before and after fights. They don’t refuse to defend their belts for 2 years while fighting exclusively in places where they won’t be tested. It’s like someone refusing to take a lie detector, it doesn’t prove that they’re hiding something, but what else are you gonna think…that he’s taking a moral stand on his privacy rights?
That got to be the dumbest posts that I've seen out of ya, shon!
You and WideScreen are way off!
by Alpha Male. on Dec 22, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Stupid fight
Here is some more ammunition for Dana to bash Fedor.
Don't eat yellow snow.
by BNF on Dec 21, 2009 11:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
BOO
this sucks would rather see him fight megareem, this is all megareems fault that turd for having his k1 fetish which is quite entertaining and all but here he has a chance to fight the no1 guy and WTF his in no rush, no rush to get KTFO!
thats b.s
Werdum already beat Overeem, so this fight MAKES sense… he also beat Gonzaga twice, and already beat Brandon Vera (Joe Rogan’s idol)… so when Randy Couture fights these guys; its ok, but when Fedor fights Werdum; its a cheap fight?
come on… give the guy a break, plus im tired of Fedor fighting freaks of nature, guys that dominate him in weight, height, reach.
Randy Couture sucks
He should be fighting the Vera’s of the world. Fedor should be fighting guys inside the top 5 only. Like GSP does(except Hardy). But that’s not his fault he beat all the other top guys already.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
He is rated in the top fifteen i beleive the only guys rated higher
that he can fight are AA and Rogers. Overeem is rated even lower.
This is the reason so many are pissed he didn't sign in the UFC
Can you imagine BJ Penn fighting someone ranked below ten, Or GSP, or Silva or Machida….. If any of these guys fight someone that is not thought of as the second best they are called for a BS fight. Fedor just fights he doesn’t care what the guys ranking is he said it himself. And to be honsest his next fight is free and he only has one more fight on his contract after this so let’s hope we can see him fight in the UFC.
I cant see Fedor in the UFC, ever...
I think SF has a better chance of signing away more ufc talent. Fedor and his peeps are gonna stick to the co-promotion stipulation and dana will never budge. I see both sides but these guys are stubborn enough to screw the fans. Our only chance is SF signing better HW’s. Fedor knows that his presence in UFC would make MMA history but he also knows that a Fedor backed SF is changing the future of MMA.
by DrewMoney$$$ on Dec 22, 2009 3:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What are you talking about puck? Roger is ranked #9, Overeem #10, Werdum #11, and AA #12 on the USA TODAY / SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings.
by Alpha Male. on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
AA dropped again last I remember he was 10 rogers 9 and werdum around 12 and I though Overeem was lower?
Those guys are all ranked around the same anyway and the best possible fights for Fedor based on ranking.
“FEDOR should be fighting top HWs.
Let me guess, and he should be in the UFC. And challenging himself against the best. And he dodges the best. And he only fights cans. He’s never beat anyone good.
There, now no one needs to say that on this thread. We know. Fedor is a hack.
rolls eyes
by daniel worby on Dec 21, 2009 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
Werdum already beat Overeem, so this fight MAKES sense… he also beat Gonzaga twice, and already beat Brandon Vera (Joe Rogan’s idol)… so when Randy Couture fights these guys; its ok, but when Fedor fights Werdum; its a cheap fight?
i saw bj penn fight, hes bound to look good against Diego… its all business, Kimbo got k.o by that Putrazelli guy; and yet hes the one that gets to be the star.
UFC has crap, Lesnar only fought guys smaller than him… Fedor’s most fights have been againt bigger apponents.
as long as there is sheep, there will be wolf...
Vera is not a top HW in the UFC he got his ass kicked in HW thats why he moved down to LHW
Kimbo is a big draw and thats why he is with the UFC as will Heshal Walker for SF marsel. from #2 to #8 is filled with UFC HW’s and thats why most wanted Fedor in the UFc. Now wether you blame that on Fedor, Dana or both we didn’t get what we wanted and will have to settle for this,
true
but all I’m saying is that when UFC puts on shows like Couture v.s Vera, Couture v.s Gonzaga, they say that its a legitimate fight.. why cant they say the same for Fedor.
what can the guy do, he takes what they give him.
as long as there is sheep, there will be wolf...
peaple want to see him face the best and most popular
thats why you hear all the complaining with GSP fighting Hardy a lot think it’s a BS fight even though he’s a good figther GSP is a great fighter so fans complain. Werdum isn’t the most exciting fighter or well known fighter to casual fans either wich doesn’t help.
Marsel that's funny buddy
Ill start trying to find bigger guys for Brock to fight so you think it’s fair
is he??????
well we all saw a couple of years ago when Randy said he could beat him and Nog wasnt a challenge for him what happened? 3 round unanimous decision which Nog lost to Fedor 2wice in pride….ok then we heard Tim Sylvia say Fedor was nothing and he couldnt beat him either same for arlovski so it just seems like for this apparent “hack” he sure seems to beat people who are going to “destroy” him so yeah is he just a hack that ducks competition or does he do the smart thing not talk shit about his opponents gives them alot of respect takes all the criticism brushes it off and wins every single time…….
by nlinesk8er28 on Dec 21, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
very boring fight
Fedor By first round sub bring on some real challengers
Let me Guess
Fedor Haters, Werdum is also a can right? LOL YOu Guys are Fools its always entertaining how you can discredit the best in the world and praise lesser guys.
This has all the makings of a 30 second KO!!!
or a huge shot followed by a sub, regardless this will be a quick one.
Agree, same with the Hendo/Shields fight
Both will be one-sided beat downs. I will watch them, but there really isn’t a lot of suspense in most SF bouts.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Yeah that Melendez-Thompson fight was a real snoozefest...
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
As was the Cung Le-Scott Smith fight
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Didn't say they were boring, Dice.
I said for the most part, SF is predictable. A lot of their fights are easy to pick from a gambling stand point.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
Cung Le/Scott Smith was a 50/50
Either Cung was going to kick him for three rounds and win a decision, or Cung Le was going to kick him for three rounds and Smith was going to pull a lucky KO outta his ass. The latter ended up being the right gamble.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in five months. Why hasn't anyone called him out for steroid use? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I give Mir credit for his taste in strippers/wives, not his fighting skills or his personality.
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