Frank Shamrock: Jake Shields is a boring, leg-humping CBS ratings killer
by MMAmania.com on Dec 18, 2009 11:08 PM EST
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"I don't like Jake. I've got nothing for him.... He'll never fight me. He'll never make that kind of money and get that kind of shot because I don't like him.... I don’t want to fight Jake Shields because he has no personality. He’s a boring fighter. And when he got on to CBS, and it was his chance to be a star, he leg humped [Jason "Mayhem" Miller] all night long and killed our ratings. That’s why I don’t want to fight Jake Shields."
Former Strikeforce and UFC champion, Frank Shamrock, pulls no punches when asked about his reasons for not wanting to fight the San Jose-based mixed martial arts promotion's reigning 185-pound kingpin, Jake Shields. Prior to the decision win over Miller back in November -- his thirteenth consecutive victory -- Shields stopped eight straight opponents with a mix of submissions and technical knockouts. He clearly has the ability to finish fights and does so very often. Is this merely more bluster from the 37-year-old veteran or is Shields' style/personality just a boring package despite his success? For what it's worth, Shields more than likely has bigger threats to worry about in the division, including new acquisitions Dan Henderson and Melvin Manhoef, as well as Cung Le, before even thinking about stepping inside the cage with Shamrock, who has dropped three of his last four bouts.
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Cant say that I dont agree....
Jake is very similar to Jon Fitch. There is a reason Jake Shields is happy winning multiple belts in smaller shows with less competition.
He is very similar to Fitch, only Fitch has a little better striking and overall is a little better version of Shields. I dont think Shields could beat Koscheck either. I REALLY want to see Shields TEST himself in the UFC, otherwise we will never know IF he could hang with the top WW. The LONGER he goes WITHOUT facing top caliber WW, more and more WW that do face top talent will just keep getting better and better. Shields will not get any better unless he starts facing WELL rounded guys that can STRIKE as well as handle themself on the ground and/ or have great takedown defense.
kinda disagree
Jon Fitch is a much improved version of Shields and he spent a lot of time on his feet with a very good standup fighter in Mike Pierce and almost got Ko’d for it, nothing Shields would ever attempt to do. Yeah Fitch is boring if he’s not taking a beating by GSP and grinding out a win, but the reason a lot of fans thought his fight with Pierce was boring is because he is a no-name. If Pierce was a somebody, a lot of fans might’ve felt differently about that fight.
was more or less just trying to give Shields some credit........:)
I am a Fitch fan. He is definitely a much better version of Shields. Shields is Fitch with no striking whatsover, and can win fights against average and decent fighters. But Jake’s lack of striking will never get him to the top where he thinks he is. Top WW would crush him.
Fitch only looks boring because the UFC feeds him teh toughest guys without a name. People think Fitch should destroy people when they never hear of his opponents. If Bisping got treated like Fitch or even Paulo Thiago,,,,he would be begging Strikeforce for a job….but then the UFC needed a moneymake to break into the UFC, You could say Bisping hit the lottery bgi time…right place, right time
Frank Shamrock is a disrespectful piece of shit
It’s pathetic that SF let an arrogant tosser like him commentate when he says things like this about their top stars. Shammy is jealous because he is no longer relevant to MMA, whilst Jake is in the form of his life. Jake never needs to fight that old loser to prove himself. I’d much rather see Jake fight than that old moron, who looked dreadful against Dung and Nick.
Fitch has no striking either and hasn’t finished a fight in a while, Jake has been submitting guys left and right in 2 different weight classes and has only just gone to a decision against a game opponent in an exiciting ground battle. I’d rather see Jake fight anyday over Fitch.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
Fitch tells Sherdog " Jake Shields is the most underrated fighter in MMA"
Jon Fitch told Sam Caplan that “jake Shields is the most underrated fighter in MMA…he would do fine against the top welterweights in the UFC or I wouldn’t of said what I just did.”
Shields trains at AKA several times a month, so Jon should know.
I like Shields and Fitch. Shields 13 fight win streak, finished 8 of last 9, he was already in top 10 before this 13 fight streak.
Wins Lawler, Okami, Mayhem, Daley, Sakurai, Thompson, Condit, Charuto rtc.
by mixmaster2669 on Dec 26, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Jake Shields trains part time at AKA with Kos, Fitch, Swick etc and has for several years.
Jon Fitch told Sam Caplan (Sherdog) that " Jake Shields is the most underrated fighter in MMA… he would do fine against the top welterweights in the UFC or I wouln’t have said what I just did."
MMA Mania points out that “Prior to his decision over Miller in NOV- His thirteenth consecutive victory- Shields stopped eight straight opponents with a mix of submissions and TKO’s. He can clearly finish fights and does so very often.”
by mixmaster2669 on Dec 23, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree, Shields Top Ten since 2004, has highest finish percentage among top fighters for the last four years.
MMA Rankings: Shields proves biggest winner in latest shuffle
Story Highlights
Jake Shields makes his first appearance among the top pound-for-pound fighters
He joins Dan Henderson, Anderson Silva as only fighters listed in two divisions
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/09/28/rankings.mma
Jake Shields one of 3 fighters ranked in 2 divisions and p4p.
by mixmaster2669 on Feb 4, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
you go Frank!
I dislike him very much too, he punches like a girl, looks like a girl when he rolls around, and he’s just not dynamic in any part of the game. He comes out being dead tired from wrestling and sleeping on top of his opponent.
NO to wrestling and praying on top, just completely kills the ground game.
or maybe because Frank Shamrock sucks and would get destroyed by Shields. That too.
And then God said "Let there be light," to which Chuck Norris replied, "say please."
lol, destroyed?
you’re not serious, are you? it wouldn’t matter cause shields is still the loser. Tim Sylvia was always a loser too even though he won.
Agreed
He’d get submitted in the first round. Shamrock was once a great champion, now he’s an old obnoxious commentator (and a shit one at that) as well as a part-time fighter. No wonder the commentary for Shields fights are so biased, you’d think that he was going to get murdered by Lawler if you just listened to Shammy, Mauro and Gus, how’d that pan out boys?
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
frank is right but....
he left out the part where shields beats his ass. shields is an overated boring fighter but he lays the wood to ole shammy any day of the week. i cant wait for hendo to get his hands on shields.
and another thing he needs to keep gsp’s name out of his mouth. i wish miller would have had the few more seconds he needed to choke this bum out.
ever notice how shields bashing is the one thing everyone agreees on? nobody likes this fool!!
David W-S does, poor guy.
I can’t wait to see Henderson put this idiot to sleep. He’s about to get a huge dose of reality. No disrespect intended, David. LOL
yep
No doubt in my mind on that as well. Sheilds would win convincingly.
by daniel worby on Dec 19, 2009 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Hendo beats Shields it will likely be because Shields is a natural WW and Hendo is a MW/LHW. I think if Shields were Hendo’s size his great cardio could make that into a very tough fight for Hendo.
I really don’t understand why everyone hates Shields so much? Because he couldn’t finish Miller, who’s impossible to submit? Now a bunch of noobs who have literally only seen that one fight of his call him “boring.” The guy had 8 straight finishes previously cut the guy a break.
I implore someone to respond because I’ve said this in a previous Shields thread and no one replied, I’m guessing because the facts speak for themselves.
And then God said "Let there be light," to which Chuck Norris replied, "say please."
Reading stats and finding which guys I enjoy watching are two different things.
His fights have always been boring to me. He is extremely predictable. I know that when he fights I am not going to see anything new. I am going to see Shields come out, pull a sloppy looking takedown, and hump his way into a good position. Followed up with a sub. He fights nobodies though. Most of his competition has been garbage.
I agree Jake is a top 10 WW grappler. He shouldn’t be in the top 10 overall. His wrestling, (though talked up a lot) is horrendous. He would never get Kos, BJ, GSP, Fitch, Hughes, AJ or even Mike Swick down to the ground for his chance to submit them. He would be left fighting all of these guys(and more if I had more time to think) standing. He has the worst stand up of any fighter I’ve ever watched. I have often said, Jake Shields is the only professional MMA Champion I would fight. I am not afraid of Jake Shields and I doubt Hendo is either.
C’mon Jake, when you are on top of a guy with dominating position, throw a fucking punch! Not even to knock the guy out, but just to keep my eyes open during your grappling clinics.
Basically what I am saying is-His stand up is so bad that he needs the fight to be on the ground for him to have any chance at victory. He won’t get any of the good WW’s to the ground. Game over on the feet for Jake. He will be exposed for what he really is, when he gets to an organization with good WW’s.
omg did mania just give me a thread to jerk off too
jake shields is the worst fucking excuse for a highly ranked opponent in the history of mma…this piece of fucking garbage HAS HAD 30 FIGHTS AND HAS NEVER FUCKING FOUGHT ANYONE..this piece of shit has beaten NO ONE of any significance…the motherfucker has 3 tkos in 30 fights that is the worst tko in the history of mma for someone with 30 fights…i dare you to find ANYONE with a worse percentage…and look at his competition hes fought…and he couldnt finish ANY of them with nothing but a butt sex gay porn merry go round….he has more decions than subs…it isnt like hes been fighting gsps and matt hughes and koschecks and fitches and alveses and guys like that….hes fucking GARBAGE
he waited till nick diaz beat shamrock and while shamrock was a beaten man then he starts talkin shit to frank..im like…really? a guy gets his ass kicked and THEN you want to start talkin shit? you? who has never beaten anyone in the top 10 of ANY weight class at the time you fought them?? what is the most impressive victory of shields life…a decision over okami? you know okami’s best known for? getting kicked in the face by anderson….
gsp would murder this fuck, how dare anyone even mention gsp and shields in the same sentence…you know who would beat him even worse than gsp? alves..just because of his style…gsp couldnt even finish that fuck…he would send shields head halfway up the entrance ramp…
but the one guy besides gsp who would definantly murder shields in the ww division is koscheck…there is NO WAY IN HELL that shields could hold that fucker down and work him…kos would take him down at will…kos is the last person to win a round against gsp….kos would murder shields on his feet…he would take shields down at will and gnp shields so bad it would be a massacre….shields would never be able to take kos back….you know what shields problem is? hes scared to throw a punch…he spends the entire fight butt sexing for position..you know what kos does…pounds your face in…just like he did lytle….
and when hendo gets ahold of shields…shields is done..
god i could go on for 2 more hours about shields and i’ll probably come basck and do so but now my fingers are tired
jake shields is the highest ranked fighter to have never fought i highly ranked fighter...i cant wait till hendo signs to strikeforce and murders that talentless waste of flesh..
i know i should have put an "a" instead of an "i" between the words "fought" and "highly" above..but i aint changing it, cause thats how gangsta i am
by HellaHectic on Dec 19, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Hectic, your posts about Shields are hilarious.
I’m not quite clear on one thing though, do you think Shields deserves to be top 10 or not? You haven’t really been clear on if you like him or not either. LOL
Ok, thanks for responding, Jay, and in a reasonable manner. The Hellahectic rant below is sort of the exact type of inflamed and irrational anger towards Shields I was referencing.
I think at WW he’s quite good and especially in that weight class I don’t think you’re giving him enough credit for his wrestling. Frankly I don’t see a big difference between him and Fitch except I think he has slightly better jits than Fitch does, yet Fitch is ranked #2. TDs are all about timing and there’s no telling who he could or could not take down at the right opportunity. What I like about Shields is he knows what his strength is, and doesn’t try to stray from it. That’s why, despite being a horrendous striker, he has only been tko’d once early in his career. And he’s fought some tough guys as well.
I remember when everyone on this site was calling Mayhem miller a lock to knock out Shields…
And then God said "Let there be light," to which Chuck Norris replied, "say please."
frosnt1, I think I am giving him the right amount of credit for his wrestling.
His wrestling is horrible. Do you think he could take down any of the top 7 guys in the UFC? Even guys like Dan Hardy and Ben Saunders would be too big and hit too hard for Shields to get close enough to take down. When he does finally start facing better opponents, we will revisit this discussion.
He is and always has been the big fish in a small pond. Wait until he fights someone worth a damn. Mayhem Miller although entertaining and impossible to finish isn’t top competition. He just ain’t.
Meh. He didn’t seem to have much trouble taking down Paul Daley and we saw how he fared against Kampmann, who was one win away from a title shot and a former MW.
Koscheck, GSP, possibly Fitch could probably stop his shot. I’m skeptical of AJ as he admits that he hasn’t trained wrestling in a long time and only does striking. Plus he’s probably going to move up to MW anyway or continue to gas at WW. Hughes got taken down by Serra rather easily so I don’t see why Shields couldn’t get him down. He would certainly beat Saunders or Hardy as well. Hardy showed some very poor TD and ground game against Davis.
And then God said "Let there be light," to which Chuck Norris replied, "say please."
Paul Daley isn't a good wrestler.
I’m not saying Shields can’t beat strikers. He can sub most strikers. He can’t take any of the WW wrestlers down. Also you got the Serra/Hughes fight all mixed up. It was Hughes who was taking Serra down with ease, Serra was trying to keep it standing. Hughes laid on him for 15 minutes, remember? Serra didn’t and can’t take Hughes down. I think Serra would probably beat Shields too, thanks for the name, I forgot him.
Hardy and Saunders are too big for Shields. And too fast. Just wait till Shields fights some legit opponents, you’ll see.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in six months. Why hasn't any called him a steroid user? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I only give him credit for his taste in women, not his fighting skills.
in the last 30 seconds, the only time Serra went for a takedown, he got it. I won’t argue about Shields anymore, I don’t think we’ll get anywhere with it.
Nice sig btw, I thought putting on so much weight in that time was pretty suspicious,
And then God said "Let there be light," to which Chuck Norris replied, "say please."
Haha just noticed the sig
The first thing that I said after Mir-Kongo was that I’d laugh if Frank failed his drugs test.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
That's a picture of Mir's kid and wife
Hot wife.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in six months. Why hasn't any called him a steroid user? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I only give him credit for his taste in women, not his fighting skills.
People seem to forget that Shields got his Christmas present during the end of rd 2...
or was it 3??? 3 or 4 more seconds and Jake is sleeping on the mat. He is a decent fighter that finds a way to win…..but will never be a top WW. Anyone with a good striking game, as well as, good jits and takedown defense will be the favorite to win.
when was the last well rounded fighter that Shields faced??? Sure, Miller was a good test, but last really well rounded fighert was Condit way back in 06. And we know the level of the 06 mma fighter to todays…it is like night and day
No one forgets that fightfan....
But it isn’t a real point. Shields won that fight inside of MMA’s rules. There are rounds that end, and anything that (could have happened with 5 more seconds added to a round) is all speculation. I don’t fault Shields for being put into a bad situation with 10 seconds left, some could say he wasn’t trying his hardest to defend the choke, since there wasn’t enough time left to finish him, why would he waste all of his energy? He already had that round won. He may have been saving himself for the next round, knowing Mayhem wasn’t going to put him to sleep in 10 seconds.
If you are going to include almost being choked by Mayhem, you have to include in your post the 40 times Jake was on Jason’s back. He had a lot of “close chokes” in that fight too.
Agreed again
Nice to see that there’s another Shields fan here. Shields bashing is the in thing at the moment, you wouldn’t think that he was a 2 weight champion who had stopped 8 fighters in a row before the Miller fight. You’d think that he’d get some respect for winning a title against a bigger man who many considered a favourite in an exciting grappling match.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
David, you don't mean me do you?
I’m not his fan at all. I was just saying that the Mayhem choke means nothing.
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in six months. Why hasn't any called him a steroid user? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I only give him credit for his taste in women, not his fighting skills.
Frosnt1
The only other Shields fan here. I know that you’re far from a fan jay. At least you give Jake a little bit of credit.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
LOL
It looked like you were talking to me. LOL. I thought the one time I actually said something nice about him, people would think I was a fan. I just wanted to make sure:)
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in six months. Why hasn't any called him a steroid user? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I only give him credit for his taste in women, not his fighting skills.
There's a lot of room on the Shields bandwagon
You’ll come around soon enough ;)
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
Don't hold your breath. haha
Frank Mir packed 30+ pounds of solid muscle onto his body in six months. Why hasn't any called him a steroid user? Is it because he never wrestled for Vince McMahon? I only give him credit for his taste in women, not his fighting skills.
GSP told Ifight.com that Jake Shields would be a dream fight. Then he said " Jake Shields is tough...I think he would probably beat me in a grappling match, but I think I can beat him in MMA, there is only one way to find out."
That was about a month ago, last week he said “Shields would be a very interesting fight, a tough and very tactical fight.”
Actually GSP has been talking about Shields (yes Jake has said GSP is the one to fight at WW) Shields said after the Miller fight that he was going to fight Aoki or Zarmonski at welterweight, then Henderson came to Strikeforce, a very risky fight when you are on a 13 fight win streak and on the last fight on your WELTERWEIGHT contract.
Shields should take the easiest fight he can get, SF has been paying him under his old WW contract. All he has been getting for consensus top 5 MW Lawler, instead of an x UFC welterweight ranked 47th and then Mayhem and all he is “more compelling fights” Shit more money or easy fights. Probably fight Dangerous Dan.
by mixmaster2669 on Dec 26, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
yep
Agree with everyone else. Frank is right – which i dont usually say – and Jake would win if they did fight.
Hendo will get him.
I’d like to see henderson vs sheilds as soon as possible. Shamrock is right about the ratings but he wouldn’t have a chance against sheilds boring or not.
by DrewMoney$$$ on Dec 18, 2009 11:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Frank would beat Jake
Frank has great jiu-jitsu, he was a 5 time ufc champ and had the belt at strike force. His losses have been to better strikers no one has taken him down or submitted him. Jake is not a better striker than Frank. Jake is like a big east champion in football. When Mayham Miller is the best guy you have beaten what does that say? Hendo will KO jake. Jake is worse than a big east champ he is notre dame the most over rated fighter period. His striking is about a poor as it gets, which shows us again that great jits will take you far.
Frank doesn't have anything for anyone
except maybe Phil Baroni. This aging burnout trying to stay relevant is laughable.
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
shields is a nobody, because he beats nobodies. end of story.
by SweetsugarShaw on Dec 19, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions
How is Semtex a nobody?
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
Frank Shamrock
Im sure your partially correct on this one because I do think the fight with mayhem miller was very boring and uneventful but, the ref didnt stand it up enough and when he did shields took him back down and grinded out a victory yes I would like to see a knockout once in awhile from Jake Shields but, you cant argue the fact that he won the fight boring or not…
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