Strikeforce 'Evolution' predictions and quick preview for Dec. 19 event

Le by TKO
Melendez by SD
Jacare by SUB
Mo by TKO

I hope Thompson wins tomorrow. I like both guys, so it doesn’t matter much. I just like Josh a little bit more than Melendez.

Exactly why they’re feeding him to overhyped King Mo.

Well done. Agree on the fight results.

Final posting….you can try to argue facts with opinions if you choose So I just wanted to clear the air and state my case as to why I think that Brock is overrated and that he shouldn’t be rated #2 already.

I want to be clear that I am a big proponent of factual evidence. While everybody is entitled to their opinion, opinions can’t be proven, facts can be proven. That’s what makes them a fact; a fact can be proven. Anything that can’t be proven is an opinion. Saying that someone is “more talented”, or “it’s obvious that they are better” or “everybody else thinks that they are better” are opinions. Those type of statements can’t be proven so they are not facts, they are opinions.

There are three (maybe 4) guys that I find to have enough factual evidence to say they should be ranked higher at this time than Brock Lesnar. By “ranked higher” I mean considered as a a better fighter. While Matt Serra was “ranked” higher after he beat GSP, I can’t believe than anyone really considered him a better fighter than GSP. Flukes happen. If you look at the big picture, GSP always had a better record against tougher competition and therefore considered a better fighter…even though Serra held the title during that time.

Also, I seem to be misunderstood about MMA math. For the record… I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MMA MATH. By MMA math I mean saying that: Fighter A beat Fighter B, and Fighter B beat fighter C, so therefore fighter A is better than fighter C. There are myriad examples of why this doesn’t work. I have used the “Shonie beat Serra, Serra beat GSP, and therefore Shonie is better than GSP” as an example of why this does NOT work. There are other factual reasons why this doesn’t work, example: Jardine beat Liddell, Liddell beat Wanderlei, but Wanderlei whipped Jardine. MMA Math doesn’t work. I believe I have been misunderstood on this topic. I can name plenty of other examples of why MMA doesn’t work (Jardine, Forest, Rampage for example).

What I do acknowledge as a factual, valid reasons of rating fighters is wins and losses. This is why I believe there are AT LEAST three (and I believe 4) fighters that can be considered rated higher (or better) than Brock. I am not saying of all time, I am saying right now. I will use their recent fights as the evidence to support this.

Fedor– Why not many contest this. He has beaten more fighters with the awesome records than anyone. Until he loses to someone there is no evidence that he is beatable by anyone. People may have opinions to the contrary but they are just opinions. Until he loses, he has shown that he is currently unbeatable.

Big Nog– This is actually a pretty easy case to make really. Over their last 5 fights, Brock and Nog have the same record (4-1). However Nog has faced better competition and therefore his record over this time demonstrates that he is better and should be ranked higher. In their last five fights, they both have wins over Randy, they both have wins over Herring, and they both have losses to Mir. So far they are equal. Now Brock has a win over Mir, but over their last five fights Nog have a win over Barnett. This is a wash. So the last fight is the determiner. While Sylvia is extremely unpopular he is IN FACT better competition than Kim, who when Brock fought Kim was 2-5. With the same record during their last 5 fights and Nog facing better competition, the ranking goes to Nog.

Mir– This is an interesting one. Again the same record over their lat 5 fights, 4-1. The have each won and lost to each other. So that is a wash. Brock has win over Randy, Mir has a win over Nog. Not using MMA math, I still consider this a wash. Even though Nog beat Randy in a recent fight, I don’t believe 1 fights indicates is who is better (and I am a HUGE Nog fan saying this). I consider Nog and Randy to be equal for the purpose of this discussion. Next fights, Brock ahs a win over Herring, Mir has a win over Kongo. I use even though Herring beat Kongo, I use the same Non MMA math approach and consider this a was as well. I fight (especially the split decision victory for Herring) is not decisive and there fore this is a wash as well. Finally, Brock has a win over a 2-5 Kim and Mir has win of Hardonk. While Hardonk is hardly a world beater, hi is better than Kim. Again, same record over the same amount of fights and a split head to head but Mir has faced tougher competition and gets the hirer ranking.

The fourth fighter is Barnett– He is also 4-1 and has faced better competition, and has only been out of fighting for less than a year.

The other argument that I saw was that Brock is the “champ” is therefore has to be considered better. I have 2 responses to that. 1) Was Matt Serra really better than GSP after his fluke win. No, even though he was the champ. 2) The HW title is paper at this time. For one thing Randy was only considered champ at the time because the UFC wanted to make money. Every other sports promotion in the world has the “champ” fight the interim champ upon his return from a long layoff. For some reason, Randy was called champ upon his return after 15 months off. The interim champ had already been crowned (Nog) and the next fight (between Nog and Mir) was already being promoted as the HW championship, having dropped the "interim"….. until Randy decided to return and the UFC decided to back pedal and give the “title” back to Randy. Why didn’t they let BJ Penn return as champion after he walked away as champion when he beat Hughes the first time? It’s huge discrepancy that is always overlooked. So where does that leave the HW title? In chaos. Until someone (and it could be Brock) does some housecleaning the title is not valid. He might and I will then ,and only then, consider Brock to be a top guy. I can acknowledge this statement as an opinion but is pretty logical.

I’m sure guys like puck head will respond with “that whole essay wasn’t logical” but he won’t argue as to what part he believes isn’t logical. He also has said that saying "it obvious he is better " is a fact or because being “more talented” is factual but really those are subjective statements that can’t be proved.

Finally, as far as the name calling goes. I was not the person that started it. In older posts Puckhead and Jay hammered me insults and name calling. At the time I took the high and called them out for it. Then I finally got worn down and gave them a taste of their own medicine calling the “idiots” and “morons” when Puckhead would respond with to me stating a fact with “it’s not an intelligent fact”. LOL. It’s frustrating when someone doesn’t understand what a fact is (something that can be proved) and an opinion (something that someone believes for whatever reason) and accuses your fact of being less valid than an opinion. So Puckhead/Jay, even though you did set us on this path, I will say I’m sorry for doing what you did. However, I will say if you really are that offended by name calling, maybe internet forums aren’t for you.

Anyway, feel free to argue the facts. I don’t really care about your opinions. Again, a fact can be proved, an opinion is a belief. Fact is over the last five fights Mir, Nog, Fedor, and Barnett have faced better competition and should be ranked higher…regardless of what an internet journalist who is afraid of offending the UFC and getting cut out says.

The StrikerDave…signing out

by StrikerDave on Dec 18, 2009 1:53 PM EST

Just more regurgitated name calling and empty threats!!

That wasn’t the first time he came on here to argue. I know it probably looked weird that I jumped on him for hardly anything, but that wasn’t the first time it happened. He was also calling Kev an idiot about a month ago. He comes on here to act tough and smart.

He’s very fun to watch fight. I don’t think he’ll beat Le, but I’ll be rooting for him. That said, if he can somehow get inside a bit on Cung, he’ll have a shot to land that big right. But my guess is that he’ll get picked apart by Le’s kicks repeatedly from the outside; from there it’s not going to be pretty for someone who telegraphs all his punches and has poor footwork and head movement.

Normally they put the title fight of the heaviest weight class as the main event if there is 2 title fights on the same card. This though doesn’t make any sense, since Le isn’t the champ anymore.

You know this how? Is this your opinion? Is there numbers to back this up? I doubt very much people are watching this show to see an actor fight a can.