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Frank Mir 'honored' to fight Shane Carwin at UFC 111 (Video)

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Is this a competition to see who can be the least like Brock Lesner. If these guys got any faker I might puke. Granted Lesner was out of line, but this has just gotten stupid with the “legend” and “honor” talk from Mir and Shane.

by qwalker55 on Dec 16, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah it is annoying

Expect a Herring-Nakao staredown, only without the KO.

"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108

20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)

by David W-S on Dec 17, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Interim or Brock 3???

Watched it a couple times and didnt catch everything MIr said. Something about a prelim… Anyone else catch what he said and what he was talking about

Fuck you! I'm an ANTEATER!

by whynot6891 on Dec 16, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

Mir wins this fight easily, but will lose to brock again.

by mma guru on Dec 16, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

Wow you truly seems to be a guru genius with all your comments you know that?

Just shoot yourself dipshit. I feel a shame for you. Do you have anything substantial to add about why he’ll win win easily and why that he willl lose to Brock again? Don’t think so. Maybe you’ll come up with something as intelligent than saying that Chuck is #1 over Wand b/c he got a win over him, huh? Can’t wait for your input gayru!

by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol I got a stalker

Actually I gave alot more reasons than just chuck beating wandy’s ass when they fought, maybe you should learn to read douchebag. You have alot of anger in your posts, did your stepfather beat you when you were younger or what? All you do on this site is bash frank mir and whine like a little btch when he wins and suck on gsp’s nuts.

by mma guru on Dec 16, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Who's whining b/c I hatred Mir fn genius

I’ll stalking you until you stop or actually saying something relevant about anyone else than Mir, dipshit!

by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And don’t worry for my reading comprehention, reatard, I got almost 3 bachelor’s degree, 2 in fields that you’ll never be able to get into b/c of your deficiency ( trisomy 13 syndrom), so I know how to read (just don’t know how to type in English though, lol)

by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

A whole lot better than what you got

What does that mean?

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh look jay has come to the rescue alpha.

by mma guru on Dec 16, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would I rescue him? You're the one who needs rescuing.

You haven’t made sense in days. Alpha is inside your head, and it is a lonely place.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure Jay

Where have I not made sense Jay, I know you 2 are bumbuddies and all, but we argued about the mir fight at 107 and Mir won. Yet he continues to whine and bitch and follow me around. Everyone knows alpha male cant handle it when someone disagrees with him.

by mma guru on Dec 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You weren't making sense yesterday

When you claimed BJ is ranked between 2 and 4 on the P4P list. And that actual experts argue about which number he is at(in that range). LOL

And you aren’t making sense now.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He is

You don’t consider bj penn in the top 4 p4p in the world? You gotta be kidding me.

by mma guru on Dec 16, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Top 4 or 5, yes

between 2-4….LOL

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yesterday you said

He is considered by most experts and the public alike to be in the top 2-4. LOL

Biggest joke I’ve read this week.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

How so

He has destroyed everyone in his division and has finished every fight. The only fights he has lost besides pulver ages ago are against fighters 20-30 pounds bigger and even more when it comes to his fight with machida.

by mma guru on Dec 16, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He is barely above 75% winning percentage

And he is the least skilled of the top 5 P4P.

If a man fights at HW, he is a HW. Don’t make excuses for BJ. He used to be fat and lazy so he fought at the weight class he could make. If we are only going to consider his LW fights in this, he is about 8 and 2. Is that a record worth P4P talks? You don’t get it both ways. You either count his loses he attained while eating donuts, or you only count the 10 fights he has as a LW. Which is it?

You act like BJ gained all that weight to fight Machida. He would have been fighting LW then too, if he could put down the fork, or pass a buffet line without filling up.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't even think of his record

Is it 15-6-1 or something? Not even a 70% winning percentage.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually he has only lost once as a LW, lol at saying he is the least skilled of the top 5 p4p is ridiculous, and were talking right now in his condition how good he is p4p in the world. No one has bj lower than 4th on there list.

by mma guru on Dec 17, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

So you changed your tune from yesterday?

I guess we’ll talk tomorrow and you can tell me he is number one. LOL.

Machida was ranked 4 a couple months ago. Penn was 5. Also, P4P is gay. Who cares where he is ranked, he’ll always be the guy who took his mommy to court to me. LOL

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly!

No more P4P bullshit. It makes no sense. And there is no real answers.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the mommy thing works just fine with me.

Thanks though.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

~

yeah right, jay.. who is making sense now?

bj is surely in the top-4 p4p in the world..

im not sure, but i somehow feel you dont know what p4p means..

i’ll fill u in a little~

p4p means you are the best fighter in your division[weight]..

so lets do lw’s155 to lhw205.

best at 205 pounds ~ shogun

best at 185 pounds ~ andy silva

best at 170 pounds ~ st. pierre

best at 155 pounds ~ bj penn

best at 145 pounds ~ aldo or brown?

keep in mind i don’t rate hw’s in p4p status because most hw fights have a huge gap between fighters..

also keep in mind this list is my opinion, and yours or others ranks might look different..

none the less this is all an example anyways..

so take that list and tell me who is better, not in a fight between eachother, but who cleans out their divison[weight] the best? who has the best resume against other fighters their weight?

my top 5 p4p fighters go as follows~

1- gsp..
2- andy..
3- bj penn
4- shogun
5- brown

bj has easily earned top 3 p4p -imo.

if mw had better competition like the ww does, i would have andy as #1, but imo- i feel ww ihas always been stacked and gsp has demolished every good name to offer..

by stinky~fingers on Dec 17, 2009 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Stink...

I know what P4P means. I know BJ is top 5. I said he is number 4. I also said that most rankings had him at 5, only 4 months ago.

You don’t have Fedor on yours? Yet you have Brown? You know he lost to Aldo, right? Your rankings are whack. Respectfully of course, Stink.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

~

like i said, im not big on putting hw’s in a p4p list cause it’s truely not pound for pound..

i think brown has a better resume than aldo[right now] and if im making a top p4p list, i have to put a 145 guy..

having only 5 divisons[if u exclude hw] leaves u with a top 5.. so of course bj is going to be top 5, right?

just a question, how does your p4p list go?

by stinky~fingers on Dec 17, 2009 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

~

also,

gayru said bj was between 2-4, and that was your argument against him along with it being the “funniest thing” u heard “all week” .. im not sure i understand your arguement.. do you?

by stinky~fingers on Dec 17, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

BJ isn't 2-4. He is 4, plain and simple.

My top 5 in order(this order will change from fight to fight).

Fedor
Anderson Silva
GSP
BJ
Aldo
Machida(6 gets honorable mention)

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't get how anybody could put Machida above Shogun?

Shogun arguably won all 5 rounds, to be honest Machida only got 1 drawn round as best, but i guess it’s a rule that the champ gets one round for free.

1.Anderson Silva
2.Fedor
3.Shogun
4.GSP
5.BJ

LHW is the toughest weightclass so being the best there really does it.

by RoBerto. on Dec 17, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

~

i tend to change mine up alot as well.. im actually considering moving bj up, he did just demolish diego..
 
but anyways,3 isnt that far from 4~ give the guy a break instead of always instigating a cyber fight.. lol thats all u seem to do around here lately..

im saying this all resectfully,…~ of course..

by stinky~fingers on Dec 17, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Roberto...

He didn’t win that fight and lost to Forrest 3 fights ago. P4P doesn’t take excuses and injuries into account.

stinky…Arguing or debating is what this site is for. I agree with people when they have the same opinion as me. It has been so slow at work that I have been posting A LOT. It might seem like I am arguing a lot, but it is all relative really. If you think I am/was instigating a cyber fight with Guru, read his posts. That’s all he does.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

There is no way you can have Shogun ranked higher than the man who just beat him

No matter what you thought of the fight. But I guess it is your P4P rankings and you can do whatever you want. It just isn’t right is all.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

~

i rarely read guru’s posts, but usually read what u have to say, and in this pissing match above that started with alpha and guru, you jumped in an made little to no sense and ended up practically agreeing with guru’s debate about bj being 2-4.. then tried to flip it to make guru look silly..

am i wrong or did i read this upsidedown?

just sayin~

by stinky~fingers on Dec 17, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

btw stink and I wasn’t the one who started this either and I got the proofs. I can post you the link of the thread. That little fucker keeps barging in my discussions with other regulars by coming criticizing me b/c I hate Mir. I never notice him before and all the sudden I see fn posts from him everywhere with my screen name in it. He fn obliged me to notice him and he still keeps pop up in my discussions w/o making any sense or adding something of coherence into the subject. So you can be sure that I won’t let that shit fly and the freaking troll is better to be ready b/c I won’t gonna let him get away with it that easily.

by Alpha Male. on Dec 17, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

This isn't a new beef between Guru and Alpha

I’d grown sick of him bothering a good poster. Just tried to shut him up and draw some heat away from AM. He had said BJ should be ranked as high as 2. That is all I argued with. He is a massive BJ fan, and I had to clear up some of his delusions. That’s all.

I know that AM doesn’t need help arguing with the likes of a Guru. But when someone calls a Quebecois out for English spelling it bothers me. That is what made me stop ignoring his posts.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

~

if i were you, i wouldn’t let that shit get to me.. c’mon, jay your better than that..

by stinky~fingers on Dec 17, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

~alpha

you’re a good guy.. but sometimes your hatred of mir does send u on a drifferent mind.. not that im trying to back up guru or anything.. the guy has talked shit to me before as well..

by stinky~fingers on Dec 17, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey I understand stink, but can I have the right to post my opinion like everyone else? I never said that I was right and my thoughts of Mir were absolute facts. I was posting my thoughts to another regulars that I know that he dislike Mir like I do. Why would I sugarcoat it that I hate him even after a loss, when I’m having a discussion with a guy that have the same opinion than mine? I wasn’t whining about it and the more important… I wasn’t even talking to his stupid ass.
I had different with JRE for almost a year for stupid reasons and I realized that he was a cool dude, even if he likes Mir and we had a volatile past….you never seen me saying that he was wrong or stupid for supporting Mir. I respect his opinion even if it’s the opposite of mine and I don’t look for trouble by instigating fights, you know? Why I couldn’t post my thoughts either w/o having that goddamn troll on my case? He just have to STFU and fn move on if he disagree with me or at least try to get something of coherence into the subject, so fuck him!

by Alpha Male. on Dec 17, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said Alpha..

So fuck him…lol

I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!

by tkkpal on Dec 17, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

My P4P list

1. Andy (of course)
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. BJ
5. Machida
6. Aldo

The jay/alpha-guru argument is piss funny by the way.

"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108

20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)

by David W-S on Dec 17, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow...

’tis a lot of drama right here…

Whatever the fuck you do in life, echoes in eternity! <----slightly edited
-Maximus[Gladiator]

by The Negation on Dec 17, 2009 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

Can’t wait for another day of constant name calling and detail checking!! This should be fun when jay sees a comp screen…let the battle begin!!

I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!

by tkkpal on Dec 17, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

In this 5 post argument, you made fun of a francophone for spelling mistakes.

You speak English, but spelled these words funny….
alot alot btch degree’s

Who did you say is retarded? How many languages do speak? Can you converse in written word in more than one?

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all I didn’t know he was french before this, second the only reason I made fun of his spelling is because he called me a retard and spelled retard wrong in the same sentence.

by mma guru on Dec 16, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

wow. i agree with your opinion on this MMA-related matter

man, just SHUT UP.

If you want to get mad at each other, why don’t you swap numbers? Nobody wants to read your retarded arguments.

YOU’RE RETARDED! NO YOU! NO YOU!

LOL. … children …

by And Boom goes the dynamite on Dec 16, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I love when people complain about conversations others are having

Like your computer won’t scroll down without you reading every word. Keep scrolling.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No, watch this.

fuck fuck cocksucker asshole fuck. No moderation.

Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.

by P-Dub on Dec 17, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I still miss the old mania though!

by Alpha Male. on Dec 17, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't speak english, and you are calling him out for spelling mistakes?

I think everyone knows what he is saying. And I don’t see anyone arguing his fact.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 16, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

that's funny lol!

lesnar pictures come out. he looks scarier than ever. the new black jacket i must have. DEATHCLUTCH

yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 16, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Mir will and should open up as favorite.

I’m not drinking the Carwin kool-aid just yet. But if he beats Mir, Bottoms up! I just don’t see it happening, he hasn’t been in there with the level of comp Mir is and has faced. Seriously, can anyone name another fighter he’s beat besides gonzaga without going to sherdog?

by Blood,bath and beyond on Dec 16, 2009 11:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Whining about mir again

So you admit to stalking a dude, what a homo.

by mma guru on Dec 16, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

The funny thing is..

If you 2 met anywhere other than online, you would probably have a lot in common and be friends.

by DrPepper on Dec 16, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Alpha

When you call someone stupid or a retard, people tend to start believing you. And then they notice that you and the “fuck tard” are arguing back and forth alot with no one getting ahead, and you both look like retards.

by JRE on Dec 16, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Noted

you’re right I’ll stop!

by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh come on don't stop

I find it pretty amusing! Nothing much to talk about other than the Strikeforce coming up, I’ll be watching but not too excited just yet.

by MMACHAMP on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i wonder if there are more mir haters or kimbo haters?

that is why i have shrines to both of them. lol!

yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 16, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

I hate both of them (and Kongo)

They’re the 3 HWs that I hate the most.

"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108

20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)

by David W-S on Dec 17, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

if the trash talk gets as intense as guru and alpha then this fight might be interesting

as it stands now, mir wins this fight. carwin has a puncher’s chance. carin size, strenghth, and wrestling will never be on brock’s level. gonzago showed that carwin has a weak chin also. i wouldn’t be surprised if mir knocks carwin out.

by Conan the Barbarian on Dec 16, 2009 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

I have Alpha taking a 30-26 decision.

Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.

by P-Dub on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Frank will Sub or TKO/KO Shane

Carwin is slow azz shit has no ground skills but he has decent standup with the most KO power in the HW division. Power alone can win you fights but i dont see it getting him a win this time around.

If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!

by Khaos_Warrior on Dec 17, 2009 2:50 AM EST reply actions  

Without a doubt he is a very intelligent fighter....

His last few interviews are making me like him more and more to be honest. He has to drop this ‘hate’ thing for Broc although it is what prob drives him lately to be the best he can be, and he is seriously improving both mentally and physically. I don’t like Carwin really to be honest so I hope Mir beats just so he’s out of the picture. As much as I’d like to see Nog eventually wear the H/W belt before he retires, I just don’t see it happening. Even though he looked very impressive against Randy, I think his time has come and lil Nog will be the only one of the Nog bros who will rack up a couple of W’s in the near future in the UFC. Eventually it is inevitable that Mir will face Broc for the un-disputed title imo.

I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!

by tkkpal on Dec 17, 2009 6:41 AM EST reply actions  

You guys have issues.

Are you just insecure with your own manhood that you can only be fans of jerks and meatheads and when two guys actually have respect you bash them? We always talk about advancing MMA as a sport. These two are ambassadors of the sport and we need more like them.

by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Dec 17, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Mir and Carwin-ambassadors of the sport?

LOL. You can’t be serious.

Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL

by jay. on Dec 17, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

This is what goes on here

we bash people. Mania is the Dean Portman and Fulton Reed of the MMA world

dude.....i am

by brendog on Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Mir

Get off the Brock crap already my God. enough is enough! when Brock comes back ,he will beat the hell out of you again. Not saying im a Brock fan but this guy is a beast that is only getting better. Brock gets some more fights under his belt i think this could be the man to take down the great one. (Fedor) That is if he heals a 100 %.

by BJPennfan on Dec 17, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

fREAKIN miR

No one loves Frank Mir more than himself, that you can bet on!

Calu

by Calu on Dec 17, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

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