Frank Mir vs Shane Carwin Interim title bout targeted for UFC 111 on March 27 (Updated)
by Jesse Holland on Dec 16, 2009 10:08 AM EST
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Brock who?
Former UFC Heavyweight Champion Frank Mir, fresh off his ass-whooping of Cheick Kongo at UFC 107 in Memphis, may be the final hurdle for Shane Carwin to clear in his ascension to the top of the heavyweight mountain as both men are "probable" for a UFC 111 clash to claim the Interim title in Newark, New Jersey, on March 27.
"I expect to make my return to the UFC in March 2010. I will be fighting in Newark New Jersey at UFC 111. I have not signed any contracts yet but I have told my manager to inform UFC Matchmaker that "I accept the offer." I will have been out of the Octagon for about a year when this fight happens but I expect to be in the best shape of my life. I do hope to someday get the opportunity to punch Brock a few times and hope he has a speedy and full recovery. I look forward to fighting again, fighting is what I love to do. I have a ton of respect for my proposed opponent. He has a good stand up game and can be effective on the ground. The only way to become the best fighter is to continually challenge yourself against the best fighters in the World."
Current division kingpin Brock Lesnar is still recuperating after minor surgery to help stymie the onslaught of diverticulitis, "a common digestive disease often found in the large intestine." Major surgery is often only required as a last resort to prevent against a potentially life-threatening situation.
UFC President Dana White revealed that Lesnar could need additional procedures in the future if for whatever reason the latest one doesn't get him healthy. Therefore, with his return a complete open-ended mystery at this time, White has decided to coordinate an interim division title to keep things moving while Lesnar recovers.
At the front of the line is Shane Carwin. "The Engineer" was supposed to headline UFC 106 back on Nov. 21 opposite Lesnar prior to the champ's illness and was once again ruled out of their rescheduled bout at UFC 108 on Jan. 2 when it was learned that the former WWE headliner would be out indefinitely.
The 11-0 Carwin has waited patiently on the sidelines in hopes that Joe Silva would give him some direction while the fate of Lesnar's belt was being determined.
Enter Frank Mir.
Mir -- who defeated Lesnar via first round submission in early 2008 -- did not make it out of the second round in the rematch, getting pinned under the 280+-pound monster and overdosing on a huge helping of ham hocks. He was visibly in the best shape of his fighting career, tipping the scales at a lean 245 pounds.
Unfortunately it wasn't enough.
The grappling wizard decided to change up his strength and conditioning program by enlisting the services of former U.S. strongman representative and UNLV strength coach, Mark Phillippi. He got a chance to put his improved power to the test when he faced Cheick Kongo at UFC 107 on Dec. 12.
It took about a minute to drop the Parisian striker with a devastating left hand and subsequently choke him out with an iron-clad guillotine. Suffice to say the "new and improved" Mir is a force to be reckoned with -- something Carwin wants to be considered as well with each manning gunning for first dibs when Lesnar returns.
Anyone want to take a stab at the opening lines? +/- 110?
UFC 111 will feature a 170-pound title defense by promotion superstar Georges St. Pierre as "Rush" answers the call of British striker Dan "The Outlaw" Hardy.
Stay tuned to MMAmania.com for more updates on this still-developing fight card.
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they don’t need to go making an interim title.. unless brockness has to get that major surgery.. well it looks like frank mir will be interim champ again..
by stinky~fingers on Dec 16, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions
He did look good against Kongo.
I like his chances, especially with the weight he’s put on. Before I would have taken Carwin all day.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 16, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
would've taken Carwin all day?
why?
I hate Frank, but he is 10 times the fighter Carwin is, even before the weight. Carwins only real test was Gabe Gonzaga and he was getting messed up until he clipped him with the luckiest punch in UFC history, tied with when Big Tim KO’d AA. he was bleeding and trying to remember his name when he just stuck his arm out there and Gabe gave him his chin. Carwin is SSSLLLOOOWWW, is untested against decent jits has already been exposed against Gabe on the feet. He is essentially Power and Wrestling, Frank will show him up.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Dec 16, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I just saw it going down like Brock/Mir II. But now that Frank’s got some size on him I don’t think Carwin will be able to handle him like Brock did.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 16, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Lucky Punch?
He floated out the left to measure the distance and followed with a HUGE right that knocked GG out! Explain to me how that was a lucky punch?
by PHISH NATION on Dec 16, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
it was lucky cause it saved his life!
I agree with SFK that Gonzo was ripping Carwin a new one up until that punch. I was impressed with his power, but totally unimpressed with his overall fighting skills. I think Mir is a tougher test than Gonzo. This will be the best fighter Shane has ever fought by far, but the same can’t be said about Mir. The biggest danger for Mir will be his arrogance. I’m sure he doesn’t consider Carwin his equal and he might take him lightly and get clipped. I don’t care what kind of college wrestling creds Carwin has, if this fight goes to the ground, Mir will sub him before he can blink. In fact, I expect Mir to “play possum” to get Carwin to come down on top of him so he can armbar or triangle him.
LETS GO FRANK!!!!
I have no interest in seeing Shane Carwin compete, he’s boring, wants to be like Brock, and looks like the typical whatever he was. Hope Frank chokes him unconscious!
Yeah, I hate those boring first round knockouts. The seconds upon seconds of total agony make me want to gauge my eyes out.
LMFAO
Great one prokstar. I wonder which of his fight’s that RoBerto thinks is boring? Probably his first (and longest fight) @ 2:11. I’m sure he found Brock’s 15 min guy on guy porn scene with Heath “Born to Lose” Herring to be fascinating.
I think Brock’s surgery will actually be to remove Roberto’s (and P-Dub’s) head from Brock’s intestines, which got there through the back end after RoBerto removed his head from his own @ss.
Watching a slow lug knock cans out...
Is boring as fuck. I can’t wait to see Carwin fight a good fighter.
StrikerDave: Keep hatin’. See, not all former NCAA wrestlers end up working the drive-thru. Your jealousy is thick.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Jay...
Yeah, slow…2:11 is his longest fight. It’s like watching a statue move. Gonzaga a can? Ask your wet dream, Brock Lesner if he thinks GG is a can.
Also, I just looked at some of your older postings…you are the most angry , hateful guy on this site. Period. People have called you out numerous times for being so aggro.
Your drive thru remark is as much jibberish as your other statements…no sense what so ever.
I love how you think I’m jealous. When something is so off the mark like that it doesn’t even phase me a bit. I’m guessing that every time you are critical of something, it’s because you are jealous.
LMAO Striker
You never have anything intelligent to say your always just talking trash? Do you know anything about MMA cutting others down doesn’t prove anything.
Dave
How old are you? I want to look up your record. I don’t believe you were a wrestler. I think you are some angry child. I’m not jealous of Brock, I don’t come on here and create facts about him. I like the guy. How far off the mark was I when I made the Drive-thru prediction? Are you a manager now?
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
I think Striker is the old intro jay
makes since I didn’t think anybody could be as ignorant as intro
Carwin is slow compared to Brock.
Not the time it takes him to put his cans to sleep. Carwin has fought one half-legit fighter in his 11 fight career. Brock has fought tougher competition in practice. We are talking about fucking practice.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
So...
The question isn’t if Brock is faster than Carwin. Roberto was saying that Carwin is slow. He’s obviously not. Don’t be so sensitive. Not everything is a rip on your boyfriend Brock Lesner.
I think he called him boring because of his personality.
He is a boring dufus.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
"I’m sure he found Brock’s 15 min guy on guy porn scene with Heath "Born to Lose" Herring to be fascinating."
I’m pretty sure you were ripping on Brock “I’m successful and that bothers StrikerDave” Lesnar.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Create facts?
What are you blathering on about now? Who said you create facts? When? Or are you saying I create facts? Try to communicate.
I am a former NCAA wrestler and the only thing I drive thru is your Mom on a nightly basis.
What do you do for a living? This should be good.
I supervise retards on an MMA site.
Let me tell you, I am swamped right now. Backed up actually.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Where did your wrestling background get you?
Wasted all that time and didn’t make anything of yourself, huh?
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
I wrestled in college.
I guess you think every college wrestler goes to the WWE. LMFAO. Did you ever play sports when you were younger? Are you a pro athlete?
The only reason I bring it up is to show that unlike most of the gibbronies on this site, I actually have some background in competative combat sports.
I don't see why that makes you think you are better than anyone else.
If you don’t want to prove you wrestled in College(tell me the year and school, I’ll do the rest)than shut it.
I played inter county ball. Took Karate as a kid, it wasn’t something I was trying to make a career out of. MMA wasn’t around when I was a kid, so I wasn’t too concerned about contact sports. When I finished my last year of eligibility for baseball and wasn’t ever drafted, I quit. Had a family and didn’t compete in sports(competitively ever again). Playing baseball didn’t make me an expert at the sport, like wrestling and taking judo don’t make you an expert at this sport.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
But I'll bet..
While I really like baseball, I bet you know more than I do about actually playing it.
So try to understand that maybe someone knows more about MMA than you just because you watch WWE and have HDNet.
I told you 5 times already...
I watched WWE 20 years ago. If you want to talk about the Iron Shiek and Hulk Hogan, I’m your man. Other than that, I haven’t seen wrestling since Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse Ventura were the commentators.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Gorilla and Jesse aren't commentators anymore???
Man, what has the “sport” come to! I wonder if Jesse the Body got as much hate mail as Rampage when he went all hollywood and then all governmental.
Rampage for knowhatimsayin Governor n shit!!! Hate on that, bitches! I can see the campaign slogans now! Vote Jackson, He’ll break his grass roots off in some congressional ass! And brush yo teeff!" "I pity da fooh who don’t vote for Jackson.
Nice jay, didn't know that you did karate as a kid
I did the same, it was decent and got me in good shape (I was a lot fitter than I am now) but got a bit boring after a while. I regret never taking up any kickboxing classes. I did look into some wrestling classes but there weren’t any decent schools at the time near where I lived and we never got the chance to do proper combat sports in high school.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
Dave, school?
Don’t avoid my repeated attempts to make an honest poster out of you. Where and when did you compete?
You aren’t one of those internet Tiger Woods’ are you? You know, a guy who says and acts like he is someone else?
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Slow dow biatch
Between you and Puckhead I cant keep up with the jibberish.
I went to San Francisco State University in 1993. Sorry, I wont give you my real name on this site. I don’t need it getting around.
That seems to...
That seems to have shut you guys the f*** up.
Now let’s talk about your wealth of knowledge in combat sports.
Okay,
Based on his 5 fights… how can you really think Brock Lesner is the #2 ranked HW in the world.
Saying that because he is ranked that high on other sites is a legit answer. Try to use critical thinking on this answer.
You are not bright enough to understand Striker
we both have gave you many reasons why and it’s obvious you don’t have enough mma intelligence to understand.
Jay...
Jay, Do you have anything to say on this. Puckhead thinks he has made a point by saying “it’s obvious that he’s the #2 HW”. Thank god he’snot my lawyer…“Ladies and Gentlmen of the jury, it’s obvious that my client is innocent.” Two ours later…" We the jury find the defendant guilty." LMFAO.
Dave you aren't such a bad guy, all the time.
And if you didn’t blindly hate everyone on Mania, you would find that these guys are all great guys as well. You should cool the tough guy, smarter than thou act though. It’s really off putting.
Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL
You
You think I hate everybody…you’re projecting that. I don’t hate anybody here. I just try to state by opinion and back it up with facts. It’s guys like Puckhead and Roberto who think a guy (Lesner, Tito, Kimbo, etc) is great because he has attitude. LMFAO
Dave, you are condescending and have a superiority tone to your posts.
I picked it up immediately. That is why I have gone out of my way to argue with you every time I see you post. This goes back before the change to SB Nation.
Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL
Lack of options.
Who deserves a higher rank, based on their accomplishments?
Nog-maybe, but he has looked average to shitty in his UFC fights. He looked weak against Randy, was knocked silly by everyone else he has faced in his last 6 fights.
Barnett-Shouldn’t be ranked until he returns to MMA. Even when he does return, I said he has a claim to the number 2 spot.
Overeem-Roids and avoiding the sport, plus he was never ranked higher than 8.
Mir-You can’t be ranked higher than the guy who made minced meat out of your face 6 months ago. I know it happens sometimes, but that don’t make it right.
Carwin- Hasn’t proven his worth. The Mir/Carwin fight will figure some of these rankings out for everyone.
Rogers-HAHAHAHAHA
Werdum-See Rogers.
Big Foot Silva-See Rogers and Werdum
Cain-Undefeated fighter but hasn’t fought anyone and was exposed big time against Kongo.
AA, Timmay-HAHAHAHAAH
I know I am forgetting people, name someone you think should be ranked above Brock, and I will tell you why he isn’t.
Brock has shown in 5 fights who he is and what he is capable of becoming. He isn’t the most skilled ‘MMAist’ in the world, but he has the speed, strength, wrestling and heart to be the best ever.
Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL
It's not that Brock is the greatest fighter to ever live.
The HW division is weak as fuck. There aren’t any fighters who can do anything to a strong wrestler. I don’t think any of them are well rounded enough to deal with someone that strong on top of them.
Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL
Striker only reads what he wants to hear
if you back and look at the post from yesterday you will see many reasons why intro. You take the average rating of guys Fedor has faced and the average ranking of guys brock has faced Brock on average fights better fighters than the #1 ranked fighter with only 5 fights now look at your man fedor in his first five fight he fought nobody and early in his career almost lost to a middle weight.
He's coming around Puck.
He was just an angry bear, I’ve had to break his spirit first. But he will be OK in the end. LOL
Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL
It's official...
The dumbest sentence ever written:
He “only reads what he want’s to hear”.
Again, Puck. You haven’t given any reasons. You just keep saying that lots of people think that and it’s obvious that he should ranked so high. You haven’t backed it up and stated WHY it’s “obvious” ONCE. Not once. WHY is he ranked so high. Cue the “You just wouldn’t understand.” statement which doesn’t answer the question. Why are you running from the question Pukehead?
LMFAO
Still running from the question? Again, no reasons as to why you think he is so great, just comments like telling ME to stay in school (even though you write sentences like "only reads what he want’s to hear"
What are you afraid of Pukehead, that can’t back it up? Which you haven’t. If you think so just cut and paste your reasons….I am pretty sure you won’t because you have stated no REASONS as to why you think that way.
If you could read you would find many reason I stated JUST READ little one
You have gaave zero reasons and hundreds of insults. Do you have any reason? I doubt it now bring out your other post name to back yourself up Striker because nobody wants to back up a fool.
See my post directly below....titled: Well...
Is that a reason for you? Saying it’s “obvious” and “that other people think that way” aren’t reasons, they are opinions. I sight his record and the record of others as reason for him NOT being ranked so high.
Again, I am not this other guy you think I am. This only shows your complete lack of intelligence to keep sticking with that unsubstantiated theory. You are cut off again.
Yeah the other guy made one post on this site
and his first comment only comment happened to be on our debate wich at the time was a older fanpost on the second page and me you and jay were the only ones debating at the time and this guy decided his first and only post was to defend and compliment you? LMAO C’mon Striker your not fooling anyone.
Well...
- Fedor, The Fedor
- Big Nog, He has 1 set back against Mir (who is also highly ranked) but you cant say one setback undoes his whole career. His fightography and record are INSANE.
- Barnett– As much as I hate the guy he has a great resume. And he has been out of fighting less than a year as I am writing this.
- Mir– I don’t really like his smack talk but over his last 4 fights he has wins over Lesnar, Nog, and destroyed Kongo. Hard to argue the tear he is on. Lesnar’s recent win only earned him a split with Mir.
While these 4 fighters are all VERY valid arguments as to who is better than Lesnar, more can be made. Arlovski, Werdum, JDS, Cain, Carwin, Overeem, and even GG are all in the same group if you look past the hype and analyze the fightographies.
Lesnar’s wins over a 2-5 Kim, Heath “Born to lose” Herring, an undersized Randy with 15 month’s of ring rust, and a split with Mir doesn’t really warrant a #2 ranking logically. How could it? I’m not saying Lesnar is terrible. I just don’t think he can be given the hall of fame after those 5 fights. It’s ridiculous the hype he gets.
He talented and there is a reason he's #2 right now
Your right he is not hall of fame status right now. Machida who is known as one of the most intelligent tactiticians in the sport by his peers believes Brock is the best right now coming from an intelligent MMA fighter that know the fight game better than almost anyone has a lot more merit than your insults Striker. I don’t think Brock has earned the number 1 spot but ranked at #2 is well justified
He talented? LMFAO (I need to stay in school?)
How about something that is quantifiable? Talent? LMFAO. All of the top 10 HW’s are “talented”, the others just have a resume to back it up. Lesnar doesn’t yet. You can’t say he does when he only has 5 fights (wins over a 2-5 Kim, Heath "Born to lose" Herring, an undersized Randy with 15 month’s of ring rust, and a split with Mir)
And are you saying AGAIN that because someone else (Machida) says Lesnar is good you think that way? Do you do any thinking for yourself? Again, saying that because other people think a certain way isn’t exactly evidence that Brock should be high ranked.
Sorry, I look at records and circumstances…they are real and quantifiable, while you just agree with other people.
Don’t get me wrong, if Lesnar has a sustained winning career (even when he has setbacks like all fighters) then I will start to agree that he is higher ranked but now, there just isn’t enough EVIDENCE to back it up.
Brock unified the UFC belt
There were four fighters that were in the mix Randy who was rated #4 in the world at the time, NOG who was ranked around the same as Randy, Mir who was #6 or 7 in the world at the time he faced NOG and of coarse Brock and out of all them Brock came away with the undisputed belt when beating Mir who was now a top five fighter after beating NOG putting Brock in the top five with Barnett getting caught Brock soon was at #2. Holding the most fought over heavy weight belt in MMA not to bad. Outside the UFC Brock would not of been able to prove this even before he beat Mir most understood the talent Brock brought to the HW division. And Mir has proved he is no chump and even beat the best fighter the #1 HW in the world has.
Like I said...
Randy is undersized and had 15 months of ring rust at the time of their fight. 15 MONTHS at his age! And he hasn’t looked even remotely good against ANYONE since he has comeback from that.
The victory over Mir I give Lesnar credit for but it still only earned him a split. 1-1 THAT’S EVEN…you can’t argue that they have an even record.
Titles are really fictitious anyway but in all reality Lesnar shouldn’t haven’t even been in the “tourney”. He only had one win in the UFC (over Heath “Born to lose” Herring) and a loss. Since when does that earn you a title shot. There were lots of other guys who are TALENTED and who had EARNED the title shot at that time. But the UFC decided to put him in against a guy who is undersized and had previously left the division because of his size who is 47 years old and was just off a long layoff. A complete marketing set up for Brock. A tailor made fight to him to win and the UFC to get paid.
Either way, a hand picked fight and 1 win over a guy WHO HAD JUST BEAT HIM doesn’t mean Brock is the #2 HW…period.
Who would you have in your top five
Brock would be the fouvorite against everybody except Fedor guaranteed. Brocks takedowns are amongst MMA’s best and his ability to control any fighter in the world on the ground. He would make Rogers look like Mr. Rogers LOL Don’t know if anybody here is old enough to remember Mr Rogers(a old kid show close to Pee Wee Herman toughness) I really don’t care were you have him ranked My opinion is he is with out a doubt a top five fighter and deserving #2 ranked. There is no fighter in or outside the UFC I see having much of a chance.
Again...
The “favorite” menas that it would be an opinion. While anybody can win any fight, the ranking system is needs to be based on proven history. I will copy and paste my response from above because you can’t seem to read…
Well…
- Fedor, The Fedor
- Big Nog, He has 1 set back against Mir (who is also highly ranked) but you cant say one setback undoes his whole career. His fightography and record are INSANE.
- Barnett– As much as I hate the guy he has a great resume. And he has been out of fighting less than a year as I am writing this.
- Mir– I don’t really like his smack talk but over his last 4 fights he has wins over Lesnar, Nog, and destroyed Kongo. Hard to argue the tear he is on. Lesnar’s recent win only earned him a split with Mir.
While these 4 fighters are all VERY valid arguments as to who is better than Lesnar, more can be made. Arlovski, Werdum, JDS, Cain, Carwin, Overeem, and even GG are all in the same group if you look past the hype and analyze the fightographies.
Lesnar’s wins over a 2-5 Kim, Heath "Born to lose" Herring, an undersized Randy with 15 month’s of ring rust, and a split with Mir doesn’t really warrant a #2 ranking logically. How could it? I’m not saying Lesnar is terrible. I just don’t think he can be given the hall of fame after those 5 fights. It’s ridiculous the hype he gets.
Striker
Guess what 99% of the mma world think your wrong go figure. you must be special to be the 1% LOL.
What? Mir above Lesnar?
LOL!
Have you seen any of Nog’s last 6 fights? Nog is finished. People aren’t stupid enough to go to the ground with him. After HH and Timmy chased him to the ground, people aren’t falling for it any more. He looked like shit beating old man Randy. He lost to Mir(who Brock beat).
These rankings have nothing to do with Long Term History. For the most part they are based on your recent performance against top competition.
If Fedor loses to Kimbo, Tito and Kyle Maynard in his next three fights-is he still ranked number 1? His past record would still be better than Brock’s. Would he still hold the number one spot?
You can’t rank Nog or Mir above Brock after watching each of their past 5 fights.
Not only for one day anymore Sarah. LOL
Sure I can...
I can rank Mir and Nog over Lesner over their last 5 fights.
Mir = 4-1 with victories over LESNAR, Nog, Kongo, Hardonk and a loss to Lesnar
Nog= 4-1 with victories over Barnett, Sylvia, Herring, Randy, loss to Mir
Lesner= 4-1 victories over Kim (!?), Herring, Randy, Mir and a loss to Mir.
Equal records. While below puckhead try’s (and fails again) to do MMA math or misunderstand that I’m not talking about all time rankings, if you look at the last 5 fights only they are are pretty equal. Now factor in experience and previous records. Since both Mir and Nog have previous records as does Fedor, they go to the head to the list. Sorry the ranking system doesn’t just magically start when Brock decided to fight. He has to earn his ranking like EVERYbody else.
Mir beat Nog, Brock beat Mir
do the math you just proved yourself wrong once again LOL and then you rattle on these other guys are better? LOL Brock destroyed Mir but Mir is still better how do you make up this BS. I think you just proven are arguement and prove you have nothing intelligent to back up your case.
We are talking about the current day rankings Striker
not on who the best all time HW fighters but WHO THE BEST ARE RIGHT NOW.
What are you misunderstanding now?
Sorry the ranking system doesn’t just magically start when Brock decided to fight. He has to earn his ranking like EVERYbody else.
So... Puckhead
By your logic Shonie Carter beat Matt Serra, Matt Serra beat GSP, so Shonie Carter is better than GSP?
Sorry you’re only the latest newcomer to MMA to try to use MMA math (MMAth?) to make a point. In time, you will undertsand that MMA math doesn’t work for anybody how has the ability to use critical thinking.
Sorry you fail again. LOL.
think for yourself puckhead
And once 99% of the world’s population thought the world was flat. They were wrong.
Do you do any thinking for yourself or are you always just going to go back to what everybody else thinks?
I know more than you
I have state wrestling tourney experience. I am a green belt in Judo. I have fought in Muay Thai tourneys. What have you done, watched Wrestlemania? Taken an “MMA” course a your local mcdojo?
And point that finger at yourself. You never make a point at all. Just unsubstantiated statements and predictions.
Fact: Carwin’s longest fight is 2:11. By definition that can’t be boring. That’s all I’m saying.
What year did you attend school?
You were at State, surely I can find records of this. What year did you attend and what school?
I didn’t know I had to have a green belt to acquire MMA knowledge. You should tell that to Goldie, he has never fought in the UFC, yet he commentates for them. What a poser.
Does it matter how long it takes a guy to crush a can? His competition was dragged out of the gutter and straight to the ring for 95% of his fights. Can fights aren’t my thing, hence the boring comment.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Don't want to back up your claims?
Where and when did you attend college Dave?
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
He's full sh^t jay leave the kid alone he obviously hasn't passed
high school yet and is making sh^t up. He has a imagination ’ll give him that lol.
did you like
Did you like the Brock fights against a 2-5 Kim and Heath “born to lose” Herring? Those guys are the biggest cans on the planet.
I can think of bigger cans than HH.
HH would be Carwin’s second best opponent to date.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
I was gone to look you up.
Without your name, I have no clue who you are. SFS won a state championship in 97, were you still there at that point?
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
I knew I was missing the action...
There should be a post war alert on top of screen or something to alert posters to the battle!!
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
Nah
I had graduated by then. I think they won a national tourney that year as well. A couple of guys won the individual championships as well, I know that for a fact. I knew couple of guys on that team, though. Good guys. I did train under Coach Jensen though. Way cool guy.
Your man fedor faced herring and fought guys with only one fight your statement proves nothing
Anyone with a half a brain understands why brock is ranked were he is to bad your little brain can’t comprehend logic because of your envy of the #2 ranked HW Brock. You Striker you shame all Brock haters with your ignorance thats why you need to make up other poster names to back your ignorance. Sad and funny all at the same time.
Brock is being hyped to all hell tho...
Brock’s best win is his 2nd fight with Frank Mir, as Frank was in the best shape of his life and was coming off of a win over Big Nog, and the first fight against Lesnar. After he loses to Mir in his debut, he beat Herring who also lost to Jake Obrien ( who is now a LHW), and Nog (after almost knocking him out). He then beat Randy who was 220 lbs, has a history of losing to bigger, stronger grapplers (Barnett, Rico,) and had been on the shelf for over a year. Randy is still a legend, but fighting a younger, behemoth of a man who negated his strongest skill-set was setting himself up for a loss.
I do think Brock’s ceiling is high (if he can return to form after his sickness, and being on the shelf)… He’s explosive as all hell, has quickness and strength that make his shot a challenging task to overcome, and has SIZE (including a hell of a reach). I think he could be a dominant champ, but it remains to be seen if he can consistently pose his will on high level opponents who possess the desire to be champ. To be the man to dethrone Lesnar, and become HW champ comes with a lot of money, publicity and opportunities to establish brand value through other avenues, and is likely to bring out the best in anybody Brock will face from here on.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
also... although somewhat unproven...
the fighters he’ll possibly be facin will be coming from GREAT camps…
JDS- Black House
Mir- Now training with Delagrotte, BJJ with Drysdale
Cain- AKA
Carwin- Greg Jackson’s
Big Nog- Black House
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
JDS, Cain, Mir, Brock, Carwin, NOG
three top five fighters and two top ten there is no doubt the UFC HW division is better than ever and is the best in the business. I can’t wait to see all these guys fight even Yvel vs Santos
You still ...
Puke….
You still haven’t said anything convincing as to why Lesnar should be the #2 HW. Now others are agreeing like Loot.
Nice try Pukehead….just give it up. You like him because he has “attitude” and you still like WWE. LOL….HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I don't need to convince you you don't know MMA
You need to find a WWE site that seems to be more your sport Striker.
Randy beat big tim Sylvia as has Mir
Weight has not been everything for sometime in the HW division loot and that was why Randy was ranked #4 at the time Brock fought him. If your talking pound for pound better you might be right but purely as a HW with the weight advantage Brock is rated were he should be. Randy went to LHW because the HW now are getting bigger and Mir is bulking up. Barnett in the past has shown how well a good wrestler with a strength advantage can control a fight and Mir put Barnett to shame with size, strength and wrestling. Fedor just face a big man in Rogers with little anything and put up the best fight Fedor has faced in a long time and Brock who has a back ground in a competitive sport with the tools he has is a no brainer that he was going to be good. I have been telling guys from the day Brock stepped in the UFC he was going to be a threat I might not be right on everything but I been watching and following MMA for a long time and I love watching the wrestlers I pay close attention to there styles. Hughes, Barnett, Henderson, Kos, Bader, jones.. Wrestling is a huge base and makes everything else eisier to learn when you are a dominate wrestler. Trust me Brock has the ability. He might make a mistake as any fighter could but most likely he will be able to beat any HW fighter.
Yeah...
All of those wrestlers that you mentioned are great and use the skill they have learned to win fights. Brock hasn’t in the UFC. He is just using his weight. As a former wrestler I know the difference, do you Pukehead? You seem to be confusing “pro wrestling” and “real” wrestling. Since you don’t know the difference, why don’t you try talking about something you do know about?
LOL you don't know shit
Have you seen 350 pound Bob Sapp sit on guys he’s bigger than brock and not to fat yet middle weight fighters have got Sapp of but would have zero chance of getting Brock off, Your a moron Brock is a great MMA wrestler Herring can beat Sapp size is not everything Brock just happens to know how use it to his advantage. Sylvia lost to a smaller Couture because of coutures wrestling but couture would get killed by Brock in a wretling match. Are you really that naive you think brock is not a good wrestler?
Are you saying that Brock is in the same category as Sapp?
Cause until further proven, I kind of agree. Not really, Sapp is a freak show. But Lesnar hasn’t SHOWN better wrestling than any of the guys you mentioned, he has only shown his weight advantage. What about that don’t you understand?
And yes, Barnett also “pro wrestles” but he also has a long resume of legit wins….Lesnar doesn’t. He just doesn’t. But keep missing the point.
And..
I’m not saying size is everything…I never have. I’m saying that’s all Brock has shown us so far. Damn, why can’t yo understand that?
What current day fighter do you think
that is rated below Brock can honesly beat Brock. Times change and Brock destroying to top five HW fighters in his last two fights is why he is rate at #2 it’s that simple. With Barnett getting caught Brock went from #3 to #2 no other UFC fighter can be rated higher until they get they can take the belt from him. And besides Fedor there is no one better outside the UFC. Overeem is a joke and deserves to get his belt stripped and Rogers who is thought of by many as the second best in SF just came into the sport from a job a chnging tires. so please give me a laugh and tell me who should be ranked higher than Brock.
And Mir...
And Brock looked like an amateur when Mir put him into a leg lock and Brock tapped. THEY ARE EVEN. STOP PRETENDING THAT LESNAR DIDN’T ALREADY LOSE TO MIR ONCE.
Somehow in you’re narrow minded view, the first fight they had that MIr won just doesn’t count. Sorry it does.
Okay Moron...
Since you are now asking for opinion on who i “think” can beat Brock:
Mir; he has already
Carwin; he negates his size/strength
Cain; more of a total package
JDS; Lesnar has no idea how hard a pure striker can hit
Big Nog; who isn’t this guy capable of beating?
It’s all opinion though, there is really only one way of finding out. I guess that’s the difference between you and me. I “think” guys are capable of winning, while you “believe” it before it happens, and then give him credit for the win before he has it. Hopes and dream moron, hopes and dreams.
Well Stink
I think this is a sign that Brock just might be getting that surgery. It is a set up for which is the worst of 2 evils to cheer for, I think I am going to go for Carwin just because if Brock does come back I want that fight to happen and to happen on the biggest scale possible with Carwin being undefeated. Obviously Franks stand up is more technical but Carwin has a good chin and only needs one strike. Also, if Shane gets on top I think he knows how to survive, he handled having Gabe in mount VERY well. But, we will have to see what happens, I would assume Mir would be a heavy favorite (as he should be), so I’d put money on Carwin hoping for the big knockout lol.
by Edgecrusher71 on Dec 16, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
getting that feeling as well
The ‘interim’ title is starting to make me think the future of Brock is looking dim. Not trying to start a feud lol! You Brock fans are killers! I’m just saying.
:S
by daniel worby on Dec 16, 2009 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You shut the hell up and go to hell!
Brock will be back, just you wait and see!
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
P Dub
Ha ha ha ha ha faaack aaff.
Lol
by daniel worby on Dec 16, 2009 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree, brock might be getting that surgery
at the 107 post fight presser Dana said they’ll know more within the next month and a half. if this is true then it could mean that Brock is gonna be out for quite a while. I wouldn’t mind Carwin and Mir fighting, but I don’t know about the Interim title business. I’ll have to think about that one. The match up is great and I wanna see the division keep rolling. So lets get Velasquez/Big Nog and Carwin/Mir taken care of early 2010!!
i got velasquez and mir btw…but Carwin could deffffff win and either way I think he’ll be a great HW fighter for a while. He just needs to face top level guys and get a feel for the elite of the division.
Brenden Adams
Potential first 2 time fake champ
Frank “The Interim Legend” Mir
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
nice
I lol’d
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 16, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
lulz..
although he is my favorite ufc hw, that was funny mcarthur.
i think he takes carwin. im hoping for a nog rematch before a lesnar rematch..just to see what would happen. it would be awesome to see mir KO lesnar.
put that on my xmas list.
and then sign fedya!
"i just want to be known as the greatest of all time, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
Nice, the Interim Legend I like it
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Should have been NOG, but this will do
I think this is a good thing. Seems crazy to leave Nog out, but Mir is technically the last beltholder and Carwin is supposedly the No. 1 contender so this is an acceptably legitimate Interim Title matchup. Nog will beat whoever wins this and then welcome Brock back to the Octogon with the battle of his life.
Awesome fight! I think Mir can take this one and set up round three with Brock.
by Sofa-King-Toasty on Dec 16, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions
say what?
brock has not been out for that long. Give the man some time to recover! that said, i can not decide who i would put money on for this fight. one thing we do all know is that it will not last long. mir’s average fight in the ufc is a few minutes and carwins average fight in general is also only a few minutes. should be a good one.
I went to the Philly card
was last row and couldnt see the octagon because we were behind a screen. We managed to sneak to about 10 rows back from the press seats somehow
dude.....i am
Mir needs to fight Gonzaga
carwin is flushing his title shot down the bog if he takes this fight
What the hell for? Gonzaga’s only notable win was over CroCop, and the way CC has fought in UFC, even that doesn’t look very good. Gonzaga is a big steaming pile of average.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Agreed
GG is a good fighter and dangerous to anyone but not a huge factor in the division anymore. I dont see how Carwin is flushing his shot down the toilet. He wants to fight he doesnt want to wait for Brock. Theres a good chance that Brock will have to vacate and that this belt could be the real belt
dude.....i am
Good Matchup
this is the most obvious fight. I hate them both so win-win for me.
hate both
I personally don’t hate both but I definitely see what your saying. When you actually hate em both, (Penn/Sanchez) it just makes it so fun! Cause whoever starts winning you just feel this guilty pleasure and its awesome. Ha ha.
Unlike when its your 2 favorites. That’s no fun. That’s why I dread GSP/Spider so much, and am happy it most likely never happens.
by daniel worby on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mir doesnt deserve Lesnar after 2 wins
Why should Lesnar fight Mir a THIRD time in his SIX fight career?… its ridiculous.
So many better matchups out there, I dont want to see Lesnar waste his time on Mir again.
by Lester The Pimp on Dec 16, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions
because their 1 & 1
And getting through Kongo and Carwin in commanding fashion would say a lot, especially after Mir bulking up to 265+
by daniel worby on Dec 16, 2009 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Mir earns it, and a win over Barney coupled with that dismantling of Kongo would do it, then Brock-Mir III is in order. Brock still clobbers him though.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Think it shoots down the UFC HW division is "stacked" argument
If Brock defends his title against the guy he just destroyed in his first fight back. Maybe Mir is a worthy opponent, but that doesn’t change the fact that it will be Brock’s 3rd fight against the same guy in 5 UFC fights. If the division is so stacked there’s no way that should happen. Think about any other champ(BJ, GSP, Silva, or Machida) fighting the same guy 3 times in 5 fights. No one would be ok with that.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Not true
Loook at the circumstances of each fight. Their first fight was Brock’s first UFC fight, and Frank was a known name and former champ but wasn’t considered a serious title threat at the time. The second fight came about because they each won the semi-final of their mini-tournament to unify the HW title. The third fight would again likely be an interim/real title unification fight. The fact that it happens to be a rubber match is just gravy for the UFC.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
P-Dub is right. Machida is fighting shogun for the second time in 2 fights. Matt Serra fought GSP twice also cuz he got hurt. Its all about the circumstances and because Brock is sick then the circumstances may result in the third fight which would be warranted given Mir can dispose of Carwin with ease
AGAIN...
I’m not saying the fights are hard to justify, I’m saying the UFC’s HW division is not that stacked. If it were stacked, 50% of Lesnar’s fights wouldn’t be against the same guy.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Exactly
Brock-Mir III doesn’t interest me at all. I want to see Brock face fresh faces, if he ever comes back. I doubt that Mir will beat Carwin anyway, look what happened the last time he faced a bigger and stronger wrestler with powerful hands, Carwin by KO in the first.
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UfC 111
is so far looking good, the 2 fights that I know of. I got GSP by total domination, and Mir by snakey sumbission, after getting clocked.
toss in...
thiago alves vs ricardo almeida
"At home I am a nice guy: but I don't want the world to know. Humble people, I've found, don't get very far"
Muhammad Ali - GOAT
Right on
…though I don’t really see what big problems Almeida has for Alves. Great BJJ, and that’s about it. The reason I don’t see it being a huge factor is because Alves has a tremendous ground game as well, we just don’t see it much. Good fight though.
by GodDamnMike on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Indication of where Brock is health-wise
This may give some clue to how Brock’s heatlh is. Hopefully he can make a full recovery (I don’t really like Brock, but I don’t wish bad things to happen to him outside of the ring). All rumors, but I’ve heard Brock has lost a lot of weight. Even once his stomach problems are taken care of, it will take quite some time to get back to fighting shape maybe. Sounds to me like Brock will be out until atleast August, so this interim belt is a good idea. Also sets up a possible Mir/Nog rematch if both win their upcoming fights sometime in the summer, which I really want to see. I would rather Shane go ahead and win this though. Right now, I would say this is a 50/50 fight
Mir won't beat Lesnar again...
Because he’s a retard – rather than focus on his skills (that won him the first fight) he’s been focussing on getting bigger and stronger. Well I’ve got news for Frank, if he came in for his last fight at 265lb then he ain’t gonna be getting much bigger, and never will be as big and powerful as Brock – so right there he’s onto a fail plan. Rather than trying to beat Brock at his own game, and a game he’s unlikely to be bettered at – why not work on speed and power (they are mutual – the faster you hit the more powerful it will be as long as your technique is good – look at Fedor for example) then actually try striking with Brock as it seems to be what he’s least comfortable at, the speed will help avoid the takedowns too.
I disagree...
I think that Mir is using his time window effectively. He knows damn well that he must max his 265 lb. limit to even come close to Lesnar’s size and power, hence bulking up. Second, he also knows he’s got time on his hands to work on his hands, speed and power. And when it comes to the “retard” catagory, between the 2, Mir is Einstien compared to Lesnar.
by GodDamnMike on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Hey retard...
He’s not trying to beat Brock at his own game. He is trying to cut Brock’s weight advantage to where it will be less or even a non-factor and then he will be able to exploit his advantage…martial arts knowledge and experience.
Since Brock is basically a one trick pony… it’s a good trick… but that’s all he has shown; his strentgh/ size advantage, then it’s an easy fix for the rest of the division: reduce Brock’s advantage and exploit your own.
Good thing you aren’t a coach, Jimrod. You so missed the mark it’s laughable.
Really...
I’ve been a Martial Arts instructor (Karate and Tae Kwon Do) and an undefeated Kickboxer before I got a “real job”. If you’re fighting a big strong guy you try to be faster, a small fast guy you try to smother them, removing their advantage.
There’s nothing wrong with Frank trying to get stronger, but if it’s at the expense of speed then he’ll just get dominated by Lesnar again. Are you seriously telling me that you’d coach someone going up against Brock to try and be stronger to diminish the advantage? He’ll still have the advantage, hence that plan not being a very good one. Frank isn’t exactly a small weak guy now is he? If he worked on striking speed he might be able to avoid getting in the same situation as last time which he will be unlikely to be able to get out of no matter how strong he gets. If I was coaching Frank it would be on footwork, sprawl and jab cross speed combo’s, avoiding doing any leg kicks that would put him at risk of takedown. Footwork and jab speed would be the key.
I guess we won’t know until it happens at the end of the day. Will be fun to see who’s right.
great post Jimrod agreed 100% regardless of how much muscle one puts on it will never be enough to truly nullify Brock's power.
It would be more beneficial to work on speed, footwork, technique (anything that lessens his chance of taking you down)
I feel that the proper technique as opposed to raw power is the better route to go against Brock. Because if that guy wants to take you down he will regardless of how much weight you put on. But if you train better foot-work, sprawl etc… there is a better chance of not being taken down and beaten unmercifully.
by Blunt n' Beer on Dec 16, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
No matter how big and strong Mir gets, I don’t see him ever being able to hoist The Big Show up on his back and spin him around for the F-5. Advantage Brock all day.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
maybe doing shit like that f'ed up his inners...or maybe he just doesn't chew his food enough
by McArthur... on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with P-Dub on that.
Those F-5 were impressive…not as much than when Golberg jack hammered the Big Show, though. Golberg all day. Who retired Brock?
by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
His final match was a wretched affair with Bill Goldberg, quite possibly the most overrated wrestler in the history of wrestling, and by a large margin. In the end Steve Austin hit them both with Stunners.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
lol, I remember
Nah dude, Goldberg was legit, he was freaking strong he wasn’t a simple body builder. And speaking of overrated…what about your boy Austin? You can’t have more overrated than that. Give me a hell yeah!!
by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Brock vs. Mir size debate
Anyone saying that Mir is taking the wrong route by bulking up is crazy. You guys make it sound like Brock is a superhero who has superhuman strength. Since Mir already has the advantage in skill, technique, and experience, why wouldn’t he try to catch up in the category that lost him the fight? They’re the same height, and they now almost weigh the same amount. Considering Brock is coming off a serious injury, it’s very likely that Mir could be the stronger fighter come fight time. He’s working with a world-class strength coach, he’s got a good frame for it, why not? Oh, because Brock lifted the Big Show when he was roided out? What a ridiculous argument. Even if you can’t completely nullify Brock’s strength advantage(which I don’t see why you couldn’t) you can certainly come close, and lessen the advantage he has.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
I know what you're saying...
But Brock has an unnaturally large frame (HGH I presume, allegedly ;p), I’m pretty sure he has a strength advantage over anyone remotely near his size. It’s not the sort you can bulk up into really – Mir is a good size but I can’t see him being as strong as Lesnar whatever he does…
I’m just waiting for Mariusz Pudzianowski to make his way over and then it all gets very interesting :) (he should be able to make the weight cut easily, weight in at 27*lbs for the fight he had last week…)
Oh, and...
Brock is explosive with his strength, Mir is not the explosive type, a bit more “lolloping” – which is why I think he needs to work on speed first and foremost!
Frames occur naturally
Regardless of whatever unfounded allegations people want to throw out there about Brock (who has NEVER tested positive for anything illegal), no amount of chemicals can give you a larger frame than what the good lord sees fit to bless you with. He is naturally a very large and powerful man, who is also uncommonly quick. Mir will get tooled regardless.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
It’s also ridicule to compared Brock strength with Mir. Mir will never get as strong than Brock, for the reason that he just started to train correctly. Brock always as. These things takes years (4+) to develop not only a few months. And for the size calmos, Mir is only at 265 and Brock is over 295 so he’s still way bigger.
by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Mir is a hypocrite
I find it funny that Mir bashed Brock for doing strength and conditioning training only to adopt the exact same methods after getting smashed by Brock. So much for his superior technique.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
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Question about steroid use and brock
I dont know much about steroid use to build muscle but for arguments sake lets say Brock did take them to get to his size, and now has lost say 60lbs, is it possible to get his physique back to what it was pre illness with out taking roids? or because he was that size ( even tho it may not be his natural size due to usage) he will be able to bulk back up rather easily once better?
on a side note tho i dont think brock is ill i think the ufc have staged it and sent him on a secret yr long UFC training camp to learn every discipline and turn him in to a 300lb mma ninja in order to face fedor at ultimate 2010 ….. think about it :P
Every night i would pray to God for a new bike, then i realized God does not work that way, so i stole one and asked him to forgive me
My ass
Goldberg had about 4 moves and was absolutely terrible on the mic. If you ever heard him trying to provide color commentary for some smaller shows, imagine that but about 4 times worse. Austin is easily one of the top-5 all time on the mic. Right up there with The Rock, Ric Flair and Chris Jericho.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Shit talk about 4 moves…Austin only had 5 moves also, the foot in the gut, the dropping elbow from the 3rd rope, the stone cold stunna, the double fingers and the cracking beer. He was only good for yapping is mouth in Texan gibberish, lol. I’ll always remember him passing out under my boy the Hitman Hart all bloodied up. Man Goldberg knows how to act now. You’ve seen Ready to Rumble and Bull Run? Goldberg is tha Man, partner!
by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Austin was a good wrestler until Owen broke his neck
He was a physical wreck after that injury. Austin is the best guy on the mic in the history of pro wrestling, Bret was the best at wrestling and never had a bad match or seriously injured an opponent. Both are genuine legends.
Goldberg, like Hogan, is an example of how great hype and promotion can build up a talentless wrestler and make them huge stars. He was great at playing the bad arse that smashed people in short matches, but couldn’t do anything else.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
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At least half a wrestler’s value is as an entertainer, i.e., working the mic. Goldberg was a nightmare.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Exactly
Austin and the Rock were masters of working the mic, Goldberg was horrendous if you gave him more than 2 lines. He was good at shouting and acting like a bad arse but he couldn’t cut a proper promo to save his life.
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hard to watch
man I thought Golberg was gonna hurt somebody trying to “wrestle”. His match with Steve McMichael made my eyes bleed!
who knows
how much of an impact disticulitis and ring rust will have on brocks power. it’ll take a long time for him to get his explosiveness back. we all assume brock will be back 100 percent to where he was when/if he comes back.
by SweetsugarShaw on Dec 16, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
i hear ya, but
No matter how fast Mir gets he will most likely still end up underneath Lesnar and he needs to be able to get out. And that is why he needs to beef up to escape. imo.
The only problem when Brock comes back
Brock will be a much improved all around fighter much more improved than Mir will be improved. Brock trains harder than anyone and has been his whole life whoever faces Brock next will most likely lose.
Bad for Shane!
Sure! Shane can win! He could get the KO! But, I think what’s most likely gonna happen is, Frank will sub him in the first,no later than the second rnd! Frank has been improving his game and will continue to do so! And I think he’ll have to cut 10-15lbs for this fight due to Muscle gfrowth! He will be a lot stronger as well!
by Dana's a Crossdresser on Dec 16, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions
$$
If Mir wins the rubber match between him and Lesnar would sell HUGE, and this is the driving force behind most matches………
by The Nard Dawg on Dec 16, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Also I think that if Dos Santos has another impressive W right away, he will surely be in this HW mix. That dude is crazy good, and young to boot.
I was really keen on Dos Santos...
Until the Cro Cop fight. Even though Cro Cop had no heart for it JDS still didn’t go in for the kill, a little too tentative – perhaps because he was fighting a “legend” and was wary that the left high kick could come at any moment – but I worry he will need to unleash a bit more against a top tier fighter who’s actually up for a fight. Fingers crossed he can! The heavyweight division as a whole is lacking in top notch strikers.
JDS looked superb in that fight
He broke Cro Cop mentally and fought a very technical fight against a quality K-1 striker. He really impressed me in that fight and proved that he’s not a Houston or a Soko and instead can actually fight smart and last the pace beyond the first round. He has a great future and I’m looking forward to his fight with Yvel.
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I believe it was a Left Hand Jesse
“drop the Parisian striker with a devastating right hand "
He hit him with a left buddy.
You are correct. It was a left.
by daniel worby on Dec 16, 2009 12:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude
Haven’t you learned by now that I never let facts get in the way of a good story.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 16, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nice Wes Sims quote
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Brock "The Brock Lesnar" Lesnar's health....
To further what Domino Effect said "….but I’ve heard Brock has lost a lot of weight. Even once his stomach problems are taken care of, it will take quite some time to get back to fighting shape maybe. Sounds to me like Brock will be out until at least August".
My mom had surgery on her intestines 3 yrs ago due to complications from bowel cancer 11 yrs previous. While not exactly the same surgery, surgery like that takes a long time to recover from. She is now only at 85% of what she was, and she’s always been in great shape (she’s a trainer/ nurse). There are still a lot of foods she can’t eat. And maybe never will. For a while there, I’m sure Brock was on a TPN drip, which is an IV feed so he can get nourishment, but it’s not food. Intestines need time to recover to begin to work properly again. Part of his 10 day visit to the hospital was probably to see how long it took for him poop. If he can’t pass, he can’t leave. That surgery is a major shock to the system. I hope he makes a full recovery. Love him or hate him, he’s certainly garnered attention to the division and the sport.
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"Title" on the line
This does seem premature but they don’t have many titles being defended so this is an easy way to make that happen. Have them fight if Lesnar can’t go. But not a fan of another interim title.
Good Fight
I don’t have a problem with Mir going for the belt again, I mean who’s the most worthy at this point?… what is a better option?… I hope Nog beats Valesquez and Mir beats Carwin to set up Mir VS Nog II..
they got it wrong
They have this all wrong, they need to go back to Carwin vs Cain and let Nog have another crack at mir so mir can show nog it wasn’t a fluke. How can you give Lesnar so much credit in his 5 fight career. He beat a 45 year old 220lb couture and mir. He is lucky he got sick because carwin would have smashed him. There is a reason Carwin is 11-0 and never been to the second round.
by brock's overated on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions
He is lucky he got sick because carwin would have smashed him
Ha ha Pdub must not have read this yet.
Brocks overrated, be prepared to back up your claims.
:)
by daniel worby on Dec 16, 2009 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ooooh, I just read it you antagonistic bastard
Barney is a big, slow, plodding bitch. He’s going to get tooled by Mir, so he won’t even get a shot at Brock for the forseeable future. Barney would get dumped on his big melon and pounded on, or maybe picked up and tossed out of the cage. Just depends on what sort of mood Brock is in at fight time.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
"There is a reason Carwin is 11-0"
Damn right, he has never faced top competition. His best opponent was Gonzaga and other than that he’s only faced cans like Neil Wain. He’s got great punching power and good wrestling but hasn’t done anything compared to Brock. Lesnar has beaten Couture, Mir and Herring in only 5 fights, nobody has even heard of Carwin’s first 5 opponents. If you dismiss Lesnar’s competition then you look silly trying to hype up Carwin’s record.
"If you’re a fight fan, I don’t know how you don’t think that that card is a great card…." Dana White on UFC 108
20%: Percentage of MMAManiacs buying UFC 108 (I guess the other 80% aren't "real fight fans" according to Dana)
"Title"
They put on interim title fights for the type of people that bitch that each PPV should have a title fight on it. Ive seen many people moan about cards who dont have champions on them so now you got your solution
why did you address yourself mirfan?
"i just want to be known as the greatest of all time, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
HW Mini Tourney?
While I’m a Mir fan I was hoping they would put the winner of Carwin-Mir against the winner of Cain-Nog to determine the real # 1 contender with the hopes that by the time that was all done Brock would be ready to go. Interim title really means nothing at the end of the day other than you’re 2nd best.
by Captain Ernesto on Dec 16, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions
mir beats carwin imho. carwin always has a punchers chance, but that is it.
the interim title might just be so the ufc can squeeze two ppv headliners out of the brockness drama instead of one. if brock comes back at 90% of what he once was he will kill both of them.
by Conan the Barbarian on Dec 16, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions
Mir dosen't deserve it!
Lesnar shouldn’t heve to fight Mir again for a long time. So Mir thinks he is that much better a fighter one fight, ONE FIGHT after getting the crap kicked out of him!? He beat a guy in Kongo who dosen’t have one single ability that Lesnar has. They are two totally different fighters. Mir should have ti fight and win against at least 3-4 other fighters; NOg, Carwin, Velasquez before he gets a rematch.
And by the way, I would bet my house Mir is using HGH to add on 20 lbs, most of which is obviously muscle. I teach Exercise Physiology as well as an NCAA strength and conditioning coach and I am here to tell you, you don’t put on 20 lbs of lean mass in 5 or 6 months. It’s virtually impossible to do it naturally in that short period of time. There is no drug test for HGH so it cannot be detected.
Calu
I thought the same thing.
But it drives me crazy when people accuse fighters. So, I’ve just kept my mouth shut.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
I don't know about HGH
but you’re right about Mir not deserving a shot after one fight. It’s not like the fight between he and Brock was close or something. That was an epic smashing.
Hadoken!!
Let them fight again. The look on Mir's face last time was priceless. I want to see that again.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Just for those crying about interim belts and Frank Mir, here’s a list of all UFC interim champions…
HW-
Andrei Arlovski
Big Nog
Frank Mir
LHW-
Randy Couture
WW-
GSP
Yeah interim titles are for losers and none of those guys are real champs smfh.
LOL great point raker
Not to mention the winner of this fight will face the winner of the NOG and Cain all great fighters and if Brock was not to come back they would be a well deserved champion and if Brock comes back we will have a proven #1 contender!!
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