Shane Carwin: YES! I would fight 'The Legend' Frank Mir
by Eduardo Cruz on Dec 15, 2009 2:52 PM EST
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"The main question I am getting is would I fight Frank? The answer is easy YES. I am not a fighter who decides who he fights, I fight who I am told to fight. I like it that way, I am not trying to build a legacy I am trying to fight the best fighters in the World and determine where I fit in. Mir is a multiple time Champion, who has been counted out more than Mike Tyson to only find himself right back at the top. He is a LEGEND of the sport and I would be honored to fight him."
Number one heavyweight contender Shane Carwin is back in training for whoever the UFC matches him up against in Spring 2010. "The Engineer" was surprised by Frank Mir's striking presentation versus Cheick Kongo at UFC 107 on Dec. 12 and states he is open to fighting the former champion. In fact, it's a bout that makes perfect sense while division champion Brock Lesnar recuperates from his long-term illness. Any Maniacs out there NOT wanting to see this fight?
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Yeah why not.... it would be a good show
But i’d sooner see either fight lesnar first if he heals in good time
Took risks betting on the dogs @ 107 - Thank god for Hendricks, Wiman, Palhares and good'ol reliable Jon Fitch UD! Could have been a lot worse.
I say put it in for the Feb card
Randy vs Coleman as the main event is disgusting….we just had Randy vs Vera for free!! Now we get Coleman who can’t even walk as a main event!!
Plus, Coleman is going to gas walking up the steps to get into the octagon.
That card needs serious help.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Mir took no punishment with Kongo
give him 2 weeks off, and 5 weeks on for the fight, yes not that long but it’s not out of the question
WHAT!?!?!?!
Jay, apparently you are unaware of Coleman’s Academy nominated skills in playing possum. He sells it so hard that he is still pretending to be gassed 20 minutes after the fight is over backstage doing post fight interviews. Get with it man j/k lol
by Edgecrusher71 on Dec 15, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Edgecrusher knows what's up
Coleman is obviously trying to slip under the LHW radar until it’s time for that title shot. But for this fight Couture has nothing on him. LNP>Wall and Stall (god bless whoever came up with that). Add in Baroni + Kev cornering with brilliant strategies such as “Do SOMETHING!!!,” i just don’t see where he loses this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 15, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Still laughing at this post....!
Great job NNR!
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Dec 16, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
;-)
Can you believe that the headlining match will have almost 100 years of age in the cage?
by Edgecrusher71 on Dec 16, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I like wall and stall
Will the creator of that beautiful moniker please step forward and receive your due praises?
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Good idea
This fight should replace Couture-Coleman as a main event or be added to the horrendous 108 card. It’s guaranteed to be an exciting fight and after Carwin and Mir’s high profile rivalry with Brock it’s a fight that makes a lot of sense both ranking and market wise.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
I think even Feb is too soon – These are two of the best talkers in MMA, they could spend 6 months hyping this fight…
lol
but the Feb card is superbowl weekend and is usually a big money maker….right now the card is very very weak
Lots of events are weak now
Since they are churning them out like day old doughnuts. I can’t think of too many fights that I really want to see other than a GSP-Silva tangle, Hendo-Silva rematch, Silva-Marquardt, Machida-Rua rematch, a Mir-Lesnar rematch, and Edgar-Penn. I can’t stand to watch another Couture match, and I have no interest in watching Ortiz, Slice, Vera, Coleman, Bisping, or Liddell ever fight again. Sure they were pioneers, but you need to know when you have to retire.
by hairybumcrack on Dec 15, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
That's ridiculous HairyBum
You can’t churn out day-old doughnuts, only excessive new ones that become day old when there are more doughnuts than demand.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Carwin matches well against any heavyweight fighter. If Lesnar gets too long to get over, a fight with Frank Mir would be one of the best shows of 2010. I appreciate Carwin as an athlete and person. He always has good answers and I think this guy will be a real threat for Lesnar and other contenders.
"No one wants to be defeated."
At first Frank was being disrespectful to Brock and the sport, which is the greatest sport in the world. Then Brock was being disrespectful to Frank, the sport and the fans, who are the greatest fans in the world. And now Frank has gotten a lot bigger and even more disrespectful, but I’m still really big like always but I love the fans, who are the greatest fans in the world. So I guess what I’m saying is that Frank can’t disrespect the greatest sport in the world and the greatest fans in the world and get away with it, not on my watch. Barney to the rescue!
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
If i was brock i would of flipped the fans off that night too
They couldnt stop cheering for gsp when he takes a guy down but the next fight boo and chant “stand them up” when brock does it and has frank down for not even 20 seconds before you hear them say that
Nobody sees that side of the story though, GOLD
I would have done the same. And I would have punched my way out of the arena, instead of letting Dana hold him in the conference after it.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Oh By The Way
This fight is a great idea. And calling Mir a legend is laughable. Alpha is “Frank The Legend Mir” an oxymoron? LOL
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
mir is a tool
everyone has bad times and good times, and no doubt brock will come back and say that he had a near death experience, but brock is what he is, and you don’t need to paint over the cracks. mir on the other hand is even worse than brock was in there second fight, because mir is a complete tool, and a wind up merchant that gets under peoples skin, and when he wins he is justified, but when he loses his opponent is a bad sport, wtf does he expect!!! and as for a legend of the sport, i believe you all know my opinion of that comment. and as mr frank is reading this, i can see his head growing larger and that stupid beard getting more pubic, jesus christ, i would swear he had my balls on his chin, but i keep my testicles in better shape than he keeps his chin and that stupid beard
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
It must suck to See Mir Dominating
When your such an anti fan. I hope you payed to watch 107
mir dominating????
he beat chieck???
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not an anti fan
its just i don’t live on planet mir, where every dimension in space and time revolves around his beard
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
ok
does faber, or bowles, or silva,or silva behave in this manner, or jardine or liddell, or st pierre, i don’t think so, so if you just think he is something different and refreshing, then fine, but don’t expect me or 99% of people to agree with you, saying you don’t want to exchange in a conversation with someone who can’t speak your language because mir thought he was retarded or something is wrong, and as i have said before, i would like to see mir do an interview in french, its all about respect, god forsake the age of war machine and junie browning
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
yea but look at what were doing
talking about Mir, not any of those guys. He gets people interested
dude.....i am
but only by people who are all ready interested
we will follow this sport regardless, if you dont like mma then you wont be on this site, and people like the arrogant tosspot that mir is will never make us an olympic sport, maybee i’m being a bit harsh, please tell me if i am
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
i agree you need characters
but in the right way
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
And if you think 99% of people
dislike Mir, then your just making that up.
Mir isn’t even bad. Everyone is just mad he has a win over Lesnar. Wait until people that are Lesnar sized start showing up. To date we have none. Carwin is close, but did he drop weight to weigh in for Gabe?
You think the Mir hate is bad? Wait til someone beats Lesnar convincingly. Man that fucker better not be done.
by daniel worby on Dec 15, 2009 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hahah
funny you brought up Olympic sport, Im listening to Sherdog Radio and theyre discussing MMA in the olympics right now.
dude.....i am
yes but...
you don’t here jeremy warner refusing to speak to the african 400m runners because he thinks they are slightly less than intelligent, because they don’t speak HIS language
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
bjj is the same as having sambo,judo,tkwdo,karate,kfu,etc
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
i just hate his beard and mouth area
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I just hate mir because...
he’s not that good of a fighter, his love for muscling subs (which i simply hate from a technical standpoint like stand and bangers. I mean seriously have we ever seen anything slick from him that didn’t require a shit ton of force?) and takes credit for finishing big nog while that staph infection did most of the work. Also his ridiculously biased commenting.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 15, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
ok we get it
Hate Mir for talking shit and beating your boy. But praise Lesnar for talking shit and beating Mir.
Makes sense.
by daniel worby on Dec 15, 2009 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he beat Chieck
Yep, and some of us were wise enough to know that was coming, while a vast majority were all over the sites screaming that Kongo is gonna KO him when ‘mir tries to be a boxer’.
Whoops to you guys hey? Not my fault Frank’s getting better and you guys all hate him. Your blame should be in Kongo’s direction, or your own. Maybe, don’t bet money on Kongo.
by daniel worby on Dec 15, 2009 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Things change....
Your right Daniel, just last week everyone was predicting Mir’s demise. Oh well, a touch of reality set in and they’re all crying.
I have absolutely no problem in the way he speaks, call it cocky or whatever, the guy delivered again. He beat Chieck cleanly and stil gets knocked…I just don’t get it.
WAR MIR!
I'm as anti-Kongo as I'm anti-Mir
So it was funny seeing that idiot get clowned, I said all along that as long as one of them got smashed then I’d be happy. Now the talk of Kongo being the best HW striker is over thankfully and he can go back to obscurity until he learns some grappling skills.
Mir will get his comeuppance against any of the elite HWs, Carwin will KO him if they do end up fighting.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
I just dont get it
that people will say before the fight " Oh Kongo will Knock him out if Frank thinks he has stand up" and then after the fight those Same people continue to talk shit. “Oh Kongo sucks, he’s a can” It actually takes effort for you guys to twist this shit and make him look bad.
I said that I hated them both before the fight
And I still admit that I hate them both. Mir looked good and I expected his shit talk to backfire which it didn’t but I still dislike him and Kongo. Neither of them will beat any top HWs.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Mir is already a top HW
kongo is a decent fighter who had a great battle with cain and we will get to see how Cain does against NOG. As far as Mir goes he has tools to finish the fight standing or on the ground a top five HW fighter. Carwin has the tools and we will see if he deserves to be with the best it appears. A dangerous fighter for anyone to face.
Cain smashed Kongo on the ground, other than the early punches where Cain got caught because of sloppy defence that whole fight was a massacre in his favour.
Mir isn’t that good, for a legend and a former champion he doesn’t have many high profile wins and his biggest 2 are both questionable, as beating a rookie after a shit stand-up and beating a genuine legend who close to his best don’t make him a world class fighter.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
You cant deny
that Mirs has skills and is a quality fighter.
Brocks Resume isnt very impressive either yet he is so higly toutedbecasue of his skills and ability as a fighter.
IMO Mir has more skill and talent then Cain and Shane
dude.....i am
Brock has had 5 fights
Nobody would consider him a legend yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if his career is over anyway. Mir is a legend in his own mind, that’s it.
Whilst Wandi and Hendo have made careers out of fighting and beating the best at multiple weights, Frank has made a career out of being a shit talker with overrated skills. His performances against Freeman and Lesnar were far from legendary, nevermind those after his accident.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Let's say Brock does not come back
What brock has done in such a short time and the fear and respect as a fighter he from his peers even those who hate him is amazing and could still end up in the UFC hall of fame but for only having five fights your right you can’t be called a legend with only five fights.
Brock's done superb in 5 fights
Unfortunately this illness will end up holding him back, even if he can fight again he’ll never be the same monster that he once was.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
You don't know much about Brock
His training is more grueling than an actual fight he’s the kind of guy that gets better simply by training. If he comes back healthy trust me he will be even better.
That's not fair....
Most guys train that hard anyway, so its not fair to say that Brock is any different.
Well said David the fact mir can finish the fight at any time winning or losing is what makes him good
Wins don’t say everything, Wandy is a legend as is Dan Henderson and Mir is making his way.
Not World Class??????????
smack yourself Davie, your dreaming or just stupid……..x
NOG is never 100% he stated himself
you can try and tarnish Mir all you want but in the record books it will show as a victory over nog a current legend in the first round something even the #1 fighter in the world could not do hurt or not.
JRE
Preaching to the choir man. Its mind boggling how this is being changed.
And trust me it won’t stop, because if Mir does beat Carwin, guess who’s the newly annointed ‘can’?
Exactly. No winning for Mir, even if he does win.
by daniel worby on Dec 15, 2009 5:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Got to agree
You win, you’re shit, you lose you’re shit. But guess what, he’s had the title, so everyone can suck it.
heard it before
Funny, I recall hearing this BS about Mir thinking this and that about his striking just a few hours leading up to Saturdays events.
by daniel worby on Dec 15, 2009 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Carwin's trying to compete with Mir, Diego and Belcher for dumbest statement of the week
Calling Mir a legend is right up there with Belcher being champion as the ultimate oxymoron.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
2 words...destiny (at the weigh-ins)
Doesn’t get more stupid than that.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Nah, after what BJ did to Diego it'll be a while before he's able to say anything else stupid
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Lol
It’s a summary of all of the dumb shit Tito said, I got them from a few interviews. I’m still pissed off that I believed that Tito had improved his boxing and was 100%, there’s a lesson ignore everything that Tito says.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Haha LOL
He said “2 words destiny”? that IS funny
Hilarious
I was at the weigh-ins it was hilarious! There were a ton of Diego fans there too and which made it even funnier because there was this awkward moment in the crowd and sort of a group grimace after he said that. “Two words…one word…destiny”…yeah it was definitely uncomfortable haha.
by Captain Ernesto on Dec 15, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
What? Mir is a legend!
He’s good you guys, what the hell? just because you dont like his personality….. he has like 10 wins in the ufc by submission in under 2 minutes.Can anyone else say that? I understand that it has become popular with the “cool kids” to hate Mir, but that just shows how people are followers.
Ok so he has 7
submissions in the UFC in under 2 min. (most under 1). 8 in his career. And those are some of the most painful and effective submissions in the game. I think people are not supporting him on here because of all the “blog vultures” waiting to pick Mir fans to death. So at least i’m here to say it like it is…..x
How is he a legend?
Fedor is a legend. Big Nog is a legend. Randy is a legend. Mir is a lazy guy who’s only just decided to take the sport seriously and has never had a proper run as champion, he has never been considered the best HW in the world and never will. He is in no way, shape or form a legend.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
David I respect you
as a blogger and a person, but you are not seeing the whole picture here mate. Frank Mir was the UFC champion in his early 20’s, no easy task. He broke Big Timmy’s arm when Tim was actually in shape! He then has a life threatening and career ending (thats what doctors told him) motor cycle accident. Did he come back 100% right away? No. But he did come back to overcome adversity and over the following years he took some really tough losses (losses that likely would have never happened,had he not been laid up for a year and half, unable to work out, hooked on meds). Did he quit there when everyone wrote him off? No. The man comes back, trains his ass off, completely transforms his body, and WINS another UFC title (Interim, but whatever, he stopped Nog, sick or not. You think that was the first time Nog ever fought sick or hurt? pppffffff) My point is that Frank Mir’s story is very inspiring, and if you dont get caught up on his personality, it would be hard to argue that Mir is a Legend of MMA. Any way what did Randy ever do that Frank didn’t do?
Name one MMA Champion
that has come back from that kind of injury to re capture a belt. Or even be relevent?
Agreed
Frank is a great fighter but no matter what he does these morons will keep talkin sht because they have nothing better to do. Look at those accomplishments you just listed but here comes alpha male “roy nelson beat him in a grappling competition 5 years ago that means he is gonna lose his next fight”.
oh that's cute I got my own little shitty stalker!
Fake guru, instead of always crying about my hatred for Mir little dipshit, why don’t you say something relevant about MMA or any fighter as a matter of facts, so I can get entertained by your posts. Since your the MMA guru and you’re always right in your picks…. what’s your picks for 108?
Don’t know yet. I’m waiting for all your picks before making mines, so try to come up with the undercard also. thx
Gotta go with J-Lau there
The grappling is there. Yes Stout offers a lot standing but wrestling wise, he’s your standard sprawl and brawler from ‘05. That doesn’t fly anymore today if you’re not fighting Matt Wiman or Spencer fisher. Though he will probly be game enough not to be subbed, he probly loses a decision.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 15, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Having a sob story doesn't make you a legend
Frank Mir isn’t that good, he won a belt in the UFC’s worst division without beating any of the top guys other than Sylvia and had a loss to Ian Freeman of all people before then. He then had an accident (I don’t know why a fighter would ride around on a motorbike, bit of a pointless risk if you ask me) and came back in horrendous shape and was on the way out, became a big name again by getting a gift of a win over a rookie in Lesnar who came close to KO’g him then beat a sick Nog and got smashed by Brock all over again. Then he beat a crap fighter in Kongo (trust me I was calling Kongo crap for a long time, this isn’t just because he lost to Mir) and suddenly he’s a legend. Give me a break, to be a legend you have to dominate your weight class and make a big impact on the sport.
A heartbreak story is not enough to make you a legend, all fighters have tough times, Andy got blackballed from Pride and almost packed in the sport but he went on to truly dominate MMA and become a world class champion. He became a legend through his accomplishments not his story and Mir has to do the same.
If Mir can beat Brock and Nog again as well as Cain, Carwin, JDS and even Fedor then he’ll be a legend, however I doubt that he’ll beat any of them. Until that day comes, he’ll always be the cocky punk who makes excuses for his faults and got further with his mouth than his skills, not a legend.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Randy's fought at multiple weight classes and become a champion in 2
He’s made a career out of fighting the best and has helped the sport to grow. Mir hasn’t done any of these things, talking shit a lot and having a sob story doesn’t make him a legend.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Whatever
A sob story? he got hurt and came back. Title before and after. Name 1 guy to overcome any serious injury and continue to compete at high level MMA.
Shogun
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
what injury?
did he have a title before or after? no?
He was the Pride 2006 GP winner, tore muscles in his knee twice, came back in horrible condition then in everyone's mind other than 3 idiot judges beat Machida for the belt only to get robbed
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Oh No!
he tore muscles in his leg? My goodness thats terrible, poor shoguuun…x I bet that reeeally hurt.
Poor Mir broke his leg oh boo hoo
Both had serious injuries that were very difficult to come back from, both looked horrible at first and both are now back to their best.
Shogun tore his ACL and needed it reconstructed twice, that is no laughing matter and ligament damage can be career ending. Just becuase it doesn’t sound as gruesome as breaking your leg doesn’t make it any less serious. You can’t respect Mir’s come back and laugh at Shogun’s without coming across as a hypocite, both did well to recover the difference is that Shogun talks a lot less about his knee surgeries than Mir talks about his leg.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
HA you just proved my Point!
“You can’t respect Mir’s come back and laugh at Shogun’s without coming across as a hypocite,” That works both ways! You respect Shoguns comeback and laugh at Mir’s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You lose.
You laughed at Shogun's
both did well to recover the difference is that Shogun talks a lot less about his knee surgeries than Mir talks about his leg.
I was making a point that Mir isn’t the only one to recover from adversity, he just so happens to be the one that talks about it the most. You’re the one who laughed at Shogun and his serious injuries.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
I’m still shit at using quotes, second attempt.
“both did well to recover the difference is that Shogun talks a lot less about his knee surgeries than Mir talks about his leg.”
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
I'm just shite at using quotes
My point is, I said that I respect both of them for recovering from serious injuries, I’m just sick of Mir using it as an excuse all of the time when you don’t hear Shogun coming up with the same excuses, sure his fans do but Shogun himself doesn’t. You can’t dismiss the seriousness of either injury and that is something that you did with your “boo hoo Shogun” post not me. Besides I’m not even a big Shogun fan, I just found someone who went through the same problems as Mir and you ignored it.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
HOW CAN YOU COMPARE???!!!!!
A torn muscle (2 twice) to a FUCKEN TRUCK SMASHING INTO YOUR LEGS ON MOTORCYCLE AND THROWING YOU ‘XXX’ FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET???
GRAB A FUCKEN BRAIN MAN!
Both are potential career enders
Both are incredibly difficult to recover from, Mir’s sounds more gruesome but tearing your ligaments twice is just as serious an injury. Actually I’ve seen sportsmen recover quicker from broken legs than from cruciate ligament injuries.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
im tired of ppl crying on and on about the only reason mir beat nog was because nog was sick. yall shud go apply to be his damn publicist.
by pandaExpress on Dec 15, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nog looked horrible in that fight and had a serious staph infection
I’d like to see Nog fight at 100%, it was his fault for taking the fight when he was far from his best but I’d like to see what Mir can do when he’s not fighting someone so static and clearly drained.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
I hate that excuse
Nog was slow from getting punched too much, He looked just as slow in both the Tim Sylvia fight (where he was getting rocked) and the Herring fight.
Nog looked slow all of the way through
He looked terrible during that fight and I thought that he was done, after his superb performance against Couture he proved me wrong and I hope that the terrible display against Mir was just a staph caused blip. I’d like to see a rematch anyway. Full credit to Mir for that win but it wasn’t over a 100% Nog and it doesn’t make him a legend.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Hey I give you credit
for saying “I hope that the terrible display against Mir was just a staph caused blip.” and not acting as if it were fact.
what the fuck is a staph infection anyways???
and before you google it i still managed to do the great north run with one that could have required the amputation of my leg, and then went training the next day, its not like its the aids or anything, all they have to do is but disinfectant in their ice bath for fucks sake
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Search Kevin Randleman staph
Then you’ll see why it’s not something to joke about. Staph infections can potentially kill you if left untreated.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
thats what i've just said
but please define it for me, my quad was totally fucked but i still ran 13 miles in 1.20 and sparred 14 heavy 2 min rounds, the next day, agreed i got beat to shit, and was bandaged and shrink wrapped up, but i still did it, and still competed, ok not to the level of mma, but european south korean tkwd is still tough
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
pregnant
in the snow, up hill both ways…. with no shoes…..
without a paddle
my baby is gonna be tough though, cos she got kicked alot, lol,
huge quad infection, i’ll post a pic
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
so let me get this straight
you hate Mir because of his mouth and chin area?
yes
and i’m not a girl either, that was just for effect, so don’t be gettin any ideas, he,s good at what he does, but he’s not a nice person
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Trying to sound like your a chick lol
that’s what “Sarah” does too
lol haha
i’m definatly not a chick, at least thats what my boyfriend says, lol only joking, and by joking i mean i’m a man, i’m listening to the who and drinking beer for fucks sake
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
!!!!!!
i’d punch his teeth so far down his throught he’d be able to eat his own shit, i think that was in a film
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 15, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
throught or throat
Wow sorry that was just too bad to not correct. Lol
by daniel worby on Dec 15, 2009 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you are still on me about this??
why can i not be a chick and like mma and read mmmania..and post my opinion?? geezus..this is not a dating site..i have a man and 2 kids and i happen to like watching..reading about and commenting on an mma site..why the hell would i pretend to be a chick..so that you and anyone else that has a problem with a chicks point of view will discredit my opinion cuz i have tits..there are a few people who comment here that know ..yes..i am a real woman..and i am a fan of mma..wow
i agree. id like to see mir bak his talk during tuf on a healthy and capable nog. but u cant blame him for comming in guns blazing, expecting a healthy nog and then simply just capitalizing on a misfortune.
by pandaExpress on Dec 15, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
you cant tell someone that, when they already have their mind made up that Nog is a Legend and Mir is a scrub, no matter what happens in the future.
Mirs on his way to being a legend it's not there yet
Win or lose he puts himself against the best like him or not his a threat to any fighter he faces with many tools to finish the fight.
Mir/Shogun
Mir comes back from a career ending accident and is deemed a pile of trash. No matter what he’s accomplishing.
Shogun does it, loses, beats Chuck and Coleman, and he’s deemed best in the world and slated to take the belt from Machida (keep in mind I’m using this example as before fighting Dragon). His resume til fighting Machida from his debut in UFC wasn’t looking spectacular, but people took his side and believed.
Mir can do the same. The odds are stacked against him. But, that happens. Lesnar is huge, and isn’t shitty. But I don’t feel Mir is shitty either.
by daniel worby on Dec 15, 2009 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well him being a legend of the sport and all, it makes sense.
by daniel worby on Dec 15, 2009 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Legend...
I don’t consider Mir a legend. Shane was respectful, only that. If Mir fills his ego that’ll be the first signal of the loss.
"No one wants to be defeated."
Can't wait!!!
I think Mir’s a better all around fighter but Carwin has those thunder strikes that can end anyones night dangerous yet exciting fight for both fighter and us fans!!
I like this fight, especially with how Mir looked against Kongo. Barney’s right, I used to despise watching Mir fight after that motorcycle accident, but he has rejuvenated himself into an exciting fighter. This looks to be a good fight, the sooner the better because the next few events look like hell.
Brock will be out forever
Brock will not be ready to fight for another 18 months. Hell overeem will defend the title before Brock can come back. Take the belt, the real belt and let the nog/cain winner and the carwin/mir winner fight for it. If Dos Santos wins his fight let him have the next title shot. By the time all that plays out Fedor will be in the UFC. Then when Brock comes back he can fight Fedor or whoever is the champ. Also a couples match with Sable vs Jenna would sell.
Good "filler" match up
This is a good filler match-up for the time being until Brock recovers, and really it’s the only fight for either that makes sense given the time frame. Nog/Cain fight @ 110 & JDS/Yvel @ 108. With no real time-table for Brock’s return this makes sense. Both fighters have average fights lasting less than a round. These are the two biggest Brock haters. And there is a chance I could see Mir decapitated, which is always good. Winner gets Brock if he can return in July. If not, winner fights Nog/Cain winner for interem belt. Makes sense to me
Agreed, Dana needs to do an Interim HW title
It’s already set up with Cain/Nog at 110, Carwin/Mir can headline the April or May card, and then the winners of those 2 fights can meet for the Interim HW title. No reason for the title to be in limbo while Brock is out. Dana did an Interim title when Randy had has dispute, and he needs to do it again.
There are no such things as lesbians, just women who have not yet met Chuck Norris
Shane carwin vs Mir
I agree that Mir is becoming extremely cocky. But I think he does it to promote fights and provoke his competitors, its an age old tactic. I think this will be a great fight, Mir is very technical but carwin is immensely strong. I really believe carwin needs to quit his day job though if hes going to continue to fight at elite championship level. A full time engineer, family man and UFC top heavyweight? Come on. My prediction is on Carwin winning though.
I wouldn't mind Mir's arrogance so much if he didn't complain when Brock and Kongo showed no respect back
Carwin does need to quit his job, you can’t be a champion and a part-time fighter. Even Grim is no longer working part-time, you have to dedicate yourself to training and competing 100% if you’re going to be the best otherwise you’re limiting your potential.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Carwin has the most fierce Strike in the HW division and Mirs striking is looking better every time
I can’t wait for this fight to happen minus their mouths LOL. They are both top contender calibure fighter along with NOG and Cain and this fight can go either way I hope it goes past the first round I would like to see how Carwin does on the ground against Mir.
The word "legend" is thrown around way the hell 2 much lately!
Wanderlei Silva = Legend
Fedor= Legend
Ice man = Legend
Royce Gracie= legend
Big Nog(1/2 dead vs mir)=Legend
Bas Rutten= Legend
Frank Mir=fake legend
Add Andy, BJ and GSP (they've done enough already to earn legendary status)
And you have a sick list of legends. I’d also add Randy, Tito and Hughes to that list because of their past accomplishments and you could make a case for Frank Shamrock and Sakaraba but I agree that the term is overused. Only those who truly dominated the sport and changed the way that it was looked at by the mainstream or the style in which it was competed deserve that accolade. Frank Mir is nowhere near being a legend.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
all legends
but frank mir nowhere close.I wonder who’s guna start calling brock a legend for beating the crap out of mir?
Wandy
The only big wins he has are dan henderson and rampage and both came back and destroyed him. All the other big names he fought beat his ass, chuck, tito, belfort, cro cop, franklin, why is he a legend because he let people punch him in the face lots.
??????????????
Did you seriously compare Wandi to Josh Haynes? So Pride’s most dominant MW champion, a MW GP winner and an OW GP finalist is comparable to a fat TUF 3 loser? I’ve never seen a comparison so ridiculous in all of my life.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
You haven’t seen pissed until you’ve seen Wandy when someone tries to take food off his kid’s plate.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
It was Sarcasm, hello
So was my post about shoguns injury, that was good stuff.
I was hoping that was sarcastic
It’s hard to express sarcasm over the Internet.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
C’mon JR you’re smarter than that. The guy was MW and GP champ in Pride, got undefeated for 5 years with 18W 14kos. How can you even put him in the same sentence than Josh Haynes?
no problem at all.
Ya know the more I think about it, I have Frank Mir as a sturdy #3 heavyweight in the world right now.
Unfortunately
you might be right b/c I got my doubts for Carwin being ledgit, but I’ll say #4 until 110. The winner of Nog/Cain will pass in front of him.
That can't be.
Mir just beat Nog, and He beat the only good guy that Cain has beat, only better.
I was more speaking for Cain than Nog though. If Cain wins, I’m almost positive that he’ll pass in front of Mir, only b/c he’s still undefeated.
Yeah your right
for the sake of fresh blood, he would
Sakaraba x3, drew with Cro Cop, smashed Rampage twice in his prime
Wandi was a world champion for 5 years and competed in OW grand prixs, facing HWs when he was the size of a MW. He has done a lot more in his career than Frank Mir, who hasn’t had a single succesful title defence and has never been in the top 2 HWs of the world.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Rampage prime
That wasnt rampage in his prime, there third fight was rampage in his prime.
That was Wandi's prime (all of those fights I mentioned were)
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Fact still remains Mir finished NOG was a UFC champion, beat a legend and faced a monster
Something the #1 fighter in the world has even done!!
He beat a prime Nog twice back when he was the underdog, faced Cro Cop when he was a monster, faced all sorts of huge men in Pride and never truly lost
Fedor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mir
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
LOL NOG was not a legend at the time as far as being in his Prime I think NOG is better now
and better all around fighter than when he was in pride. But what ever you want to believe I guess doesn’t change the fact Fedor won by decision and in one looked in pretty bad shape and Mir finished him? Huge men Hong man and Bob Sapp LOL they are losing to middle weight fighters now days huge yeah talented no. C
Big Nog was a much better fighter in Pride
The Big Nog from Pride would smash Mir. And Fedor has done a hell of a lot more than Mir has, he’s a much smaller man yet has dominated the HW division whether they’re top fighters like Nog, Cro Cop or AA or even huge giants or quality LHWs (closer to Fedor’s size anyway) he’s beaten them all, Mir hasn’t done anythign to warrant any sort of comparison. He wouldn’t last a round with Fedor.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
NOG is far from past his prime David it just so happens that fighters are getting better and better.
Huge giants LOl Hong man lost to the African assasin, your living in the past Brock would Break Hong man in two LOL. so would Mir . Whatever you make no sense these guys were god and now that they entered the UFC are past there Prime LOL yeah OK if you say so.
Lol
I like how every fighter from pride was magically better in pride and there pride versions would smash every fighter they fight in the ufc. Oh hes not in his prime anymore there pride version would kill him blah blah blah, that excuse is getting really old, how many fighters is that now lets see wandy, cro cop, big nog, how many more are you guys gonna add to the list.
ok
So all 3 of them were in there prime but as soon as pride was over all 3 of them were out of there prime as soon as they fought in the ufc.
Rampage and Andy became better fighters in the UFC
The Andy from Pride isn’t half of the fighter that we see today while Rampage went on to bigger and better things in the UFC, he was a beast in Pride but was never the best in his weight class and has gone on to become a much better boxer in the UFC.
If you watch Big Nog, Cro Cop and Wandi in Pride and in the UFC you’ll see how much better those 3 were in Pride, all 3 had better chins, punching power, speed and agility, nowdays they’ve gone through too many battles and aren’t the monsters that they once were. Partly due to the rules changes and partly due to their age they are not the same guys that dominated their divisions in Pride. Like Tito, Chuck and Randy their time has past and only Big Nog has a shot at becoming a champion again. I’m by no means a blind Pride fan but I can appreciate how good these fighters were back in their prime with the Pride rules and they are clearly not as good as they once were. Name one way in which any of the fighters that I have mentioned have improved since the Pride buyout.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
TRue
Very true. Big NOg in Pride was nothing short of a legend and still is. The only reason why pin heads over look him is because he happened to be in a promotion with the best fighter to ever live as of yet. Its like playing in a league with Michael Jordan and coming up short every time. Also like Tom Brady and Peyton both are great but one just happens to win more.
by The real ZACK on Dec 15, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Right Again
Wanderlei Silva in his prime is undoubly THE GREAST LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT off all time.
by The real ZACK on Dec 15, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
OK
Name someone better i dont have to quote his resume from the guy under me, And Chuck was no where near as dominant against top compt like Wanderlei. Ur a moron, What other fighter was put against heavyweights and basically every bad ass. Wanderlei was like the welcome party of Pride to so called BAd ass Fighters,
by The real ZACK on Dec 15, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Are you ok? You having a fit?
There are plenty of people who were as good as Wand. Shogun for example only had one loss in pride and the only reason he didn’t kick Wands ass and take the belt was that they were training partners. Shogun would have won. Dan Henderson is Also just as badass as Wand.
Wrong
Chuck is the greatest lhw so far, chuck beat everyone during his time besides rampage, chuck beat tito twice, tito beat wandy, chuck beat vitor, vitor destroyed wandy. chuck beat sobral twice, beat overeem, beat randy twice, he knocked out everyone he beat besides vitor. Also chuck beat wandy when they fought and won every round.
yur a bigger dumb ass then i thought!
How hw’s has chuck fought? 0!! Chuck’s #2 lw.
Wand wud have destroyed any1 that chuck faced in the UFC! Dan Henderson,RAmpage 2x’s,CroCop ,Mark Hunt,Fujita Iron head! longest reigning champ in mma history dipshit! Thats y he’s the best of all time! Twice as many fights as chuck!
Wandy lost to hunt and cro cop, and hendo and rampage both avenged there losses by brutal ko's
He fought overeem and couture there both former and reigning hw champs and he knocked them both out cold. Wandy would have destroyed anyone chuck faced in the ufc huh, well chuck destroyed tito twice and tito beat wandy and vitor destroyed wandy without breaking a sweat and chuck beat him. Lol nice argument d locc.
Y DONT U TRY WATCHING FIGHTS
instead of looking them up dipshit! Randy Coture,Bas Rutten, & everybody else watching knew Wand won before they called that bullshit split decision! & he beat the shit out of crocop the 1st they fought. Henderson & bumpage ko’d him after crocop gave him brain damage! not at all the Wand in his prime
Yur a dumb ass!
He went on a 6 year reign winning 23 fights in a row with his 1st loss coming to a controversial split decision in which every1 but thot he won besides the stupid judges to kickboxing champion mark hunt who outweighed him by 95 lbs. wut other light heavyw8s u no that takes on hw’s and beats the shit out of them! u dont know jack shit mma GAYru! go back to WWe dipshit!
pff
Wow you sound intelligent, your opinion really matters to me. How long did it take you to read that off of wikipedia douchebag?
so ur reasoning for the greatest LHW of all time is wandi because he used to take on HWs? then maybe he shud be the greatest hw of all time since hes so good at beating their asses, according to u that is.
by pandaExpress on Dec 15, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
he didnt lose a fight in 5 years killing the best competiton & 1st lost came 2 the hands
of a k1 grand prix champ! no1else besides Fedor has ever done that!
wandi lost to tito an vitor, chuck beat tito (twice) and vitor. dont get me wrong, i like wandi. hes an impressive fighter. during those 5 years he literally destroyed everyone. but as long as greatest lhws go, i think chuck is one above the axe murderer.
by pandaExpress on Dec 15, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
HOW DO U FIGURE
if Wand beat the shit out of rampage twice & rampage beat the shit out of chuck twice? Chuck came 2 pride & got his ass beat 2 prove he wasnt the man! Pride grand prix
even so, thats 2 – 1. plus its like ppl are considering chuck and wandi never fought. they did, and chuck won. and u cant argue that wandi lost cuz he was past his prime, because technically chuck was too. so it was a fair fight.
by pandaExpress on Dec 15, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
We dont need mma math here
They fought and chuck won.
Chuck#1 all time
Fool
Everything I said here is fact that proves what I’m saying. You should try it some time alpha male.
Chuck # 1 over Wand are facts b/c he got a win over him that's your facts, retard?
lol, pipe down stupid fuck!
by Alpha Male. on Dec 16, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
The Pride MW GP is my favourite MMA DVD set
2 superb shows and it proved how well co-promotion can work for the fans, some of those fights were classics. The GP would have been even better if Randy was able to compete and Arona never had to pull out. Wandi proved why he is the man in that tournament, whilst Chuck was getting beaten up by Over(pre)roids and smashed by Rampage Wandi was murdering Sakaraba and Rampage…again.
A prime Wandi in Pride was a different class even to Liddell, as great as Chuck was he was never able to beat other top strikers and got badly found out by Rampage as well as Randy in their first fight. I wish that we got to see Chuck and Wandi fight in their prime, their fight at 79 was probabaly my favourite ever MMA fight. Chuck may have won that fight but if they’d have fought in that GP then Wandi would have KO’d Chuck in my opinion.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
D ^ Lock
you sound a little upset there big guy. You want to talk about it ?
lol
You sound like your in the age group that watches wrestling, or at least have the level of education of a 12 year old wwe fan.
Pride
Any true MMA fan realises how great Pride FC was. The UFC still to this day hasnt put on the same amount of Classic Battles as pride. I mean there was soo many, Cro COp vs Fedor , Fedor vs BIg NOG, Rampage WAnderlei 1/2 possibly the greatest mma match of all time!
by The real ZACK on Dec 15, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dude get out of here with that BS
UFC has over 100 ppvs. collectively, way more great fights than pride.
Yea OK
Name a great battle that can compete with Pride. Your a moron You really have no facts to back up any argument. take your comp of kid i have givin you enough attetion already newbie
by The real ZACK on Dec 15, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
since ur such a loyal fan an all, maybe u shud be the one that gets off ur comp, find a job and unbankrupt/buy back pride from the ufc and put on more these classic battles.
by pandaExpress on Dec 15, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone that wins by a submission has the potential to do that
Most people aren’t as stupid as Sylvia so they tap before they have their limbs broken.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
mir didnt even have the armbar, sylvia wasnt letting him have the arm. so mir just broke it.
by pandaExpress on Dec 15, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think Mir takes Barney pretty easily
Especially with the ringrust that Barney surely suffers from now.
But then again Barney could knock Mirs head off with a jab at any time in the fight so.
by Lester The Pimp on Dec 15, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions
with a jab...
it’s scary because it’s possible
Took risks betting on the dogs @ 107 - Thank god for Hendricks, Wiman, Palhares and good'ol reliable Jon Fitch UD! Could have been a lot worse.
Maybe not yet
But he will be by the time his career is over.
MIr is A GOOD fighter
But not yet Great, It is very possible that he will achieve that great status within the next year, expecially with his “new” training and dedication JOe Rogan always talks about.
by The real ZACK on Dec 15, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Mir doesnt have a knickname yet
I can hear Buffer now……..Frank ‘THE LEGEND’ MIRRRRRRRRRRRR
dude.....i am
Frank Shamrock would be pissed off for having his name stolen
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
He can jsut go by 'Legend' then
like alves just goes by pitbull as opposed to the pitbull (because theres only one THE PITBULL)
dude.....i am
Maybe the nickname ‘Legend’ just goes with anyone named Frank, the way everyone named Jake is automatically nicknamed Snake.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
Jake "The Snake" Shields
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
Another great fight in the UFC HW division there is no doubt the HW division
is the best the UFC ever has seen with great up and coming talent, a legend and a great current day fighter(Mir). I don’t know if there ever has been a better HW division
in MMA period. yeah Fedor, barnett, NOG and Cro Cop that was killer but we never seen Barnett and Fedor fight right now the UFC has Brock(hope he gets healthy), Mir, Carwin, Cain and Santos even Yvel and kongo are decent fighters and young Struve! Thank you UFC the HW division is finally exciting and competitive
Don't see why not...
Might as well. Since it seems like Brock might be out for awhile, let them fight for an interim and let the winner re-unify (again) against a returning Brock.
http://www.MMArmy.com/home.php?refer=member_5806
Give me A break
AND THE love fest has started.. one says the other is better than the champion and the other says he is a legend lol. These guys need to fight and I hope Mir starts his shit talking early because I want to see some fireworks. ANy way I cant wait for the real champion to come back and smash both these FOOLS
Who said what?
I dont understand all the hate on mir for the legend comment. Carwin said it. Sure, frank is cocky, but he never called himself a legend that im aware of. If you dont agree with carwins statement, maybe take the time to bash him instead of the guy hes talking about. In my opinion this would be a good fight that i have mir winning.
You guys crack me up!
Shane Carwin looked like he was rocked to death by Gonzoga and came out with a Brian Bowles type punch that connected n put him out. Nothing impressive and in my eyes was getting owned. I know for a fact Frank Mir has more skills then Carwin and the only thing shane has is that extra beastly size…THATS IT….does he stand a punchers chance and can knock out Mir…YES! Will it happen? I doubt it…I think Mir will come up with a great gameplan and sub him..no doubt. I like Mir
Wrestling and Power both go to Carwin. So he has more than a punchers chance,Mir.
Top 5 P4P D-bag on Mania.
Yes Please
Carwin’s time without a fight is growing. I think he should fight Mir soon. I am a huge Carwin fan however I think Frank will dominate him in every area of the fight. WAR CARWIN!!!!
I hate Mir
Because he has a big mouth. BUT I think he is way more skilled than Carwin and should beat Carwin with ease. I dont even think Carwin will be able to touch him thats house bad Carwin’s striking is. Mir right now is working hard on technique and Carwin has no technique, his punches are powerful but extremely short. I got Mir by domination even though I hope Carwin call but something out.
Both Men will get smashed when/ if Brock comes back until then THE HW belt should be no problem for MIr to get. Lets see how much of a LEgEND he is!
anyone looking for smack talk is gonna be dissapointed........ these two clowns are gonna
blow each other for a few months biulding up the other’s reputation to make it seem like they are on brock’s level. newsflash, carwin’s ground game and strength are nothing compared to brock’s and mir will get tooled by brock again if they ever fight.
by Conan the Barbarian on Dec 16, 2009 2:07 AM EST reply actions
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