Dana White: BJ Penn is one fight away from a return to the UFC welterweight division
by Jesse Holland on Dec 14, 2009 10:31 AM EST
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"There's a couple of guys out there still, you know I gotta sit down and talk to (Penn) and see what he wants to do, but it's all about cleaning out divisions and he's probably one fight away from doing that. If he does that, he could move up to 170 (pounds) again -- but I think BJ's gonna have to earn that. I don't think he just walks in from 155 and faces Georges St. Pierre. Georges has two wins over him so BJ is going to have to earn that at 170, whether it's going in and fighting a number one contender, I don't know yet. He would be in the running to be a contender."
Well, we're getting Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz for a third time despite "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" going 0-2 against "The Iceman," does it make sense for an eventual third dance between "Rush" and "The Prodigy" -- or did we see enough in their second fight to already know the outcome? And can Penn get past ruthless contenders like Thiago "Pitbull" Alves to do it?
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Guys like Alvez are going to have a huge advantage over BJ. WW really isn’t anything like when BJ was champion.
I think Fitch and Alves would both beat Kos.
I think all three of them beat BJ.
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All three of them would be able to hold him against the fence
long enough for BJ to gas(happens every time at WW). He isn’t big or strong enough to fight the big WW’s.
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165 catchweight
I think a 165 catchweight is reasonable for this BJ PENN vs GSP superfight. It would make it interesting because the outcome could be a lot different with this minor change…something for the UFC to think about
Yeah, that make alot of sense...
asking the champ to go down weight at a 165 catchweight for fighting for his WW belt. Beside that, why it’s GSP that would’ve to go down, when it’s BJ that want a rematch?
lol, no, you’re right about that. Do you want me to reformulate my sentences? You might be able to get the point next time.
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That would make it a non-title fight. What would be the point of that? Would they ask Anderson Silva to drop down to 175 to fight GSP? Stupid idea. Also there are plenty of people on here that don’t speak english, try to be more considerate.
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Jay
I know it wouldn’t be a title fight, but I think it would still bring in a good number of PPVs, don’t you?
Sorry Alpha Male, I was joking around, I don’t care where your from…it’s all good.
I see no problem with non-title superfights
Especially in a champion vs champion scenario. Who really wants to see one guy trying to defend 2 belts anyway! It’s long enough between title defenses already. (unless its Strikeforce where there aren’t enough contenders to go round.)
The ONLY way I’d want to see GSP vs AS is at a catchweight. AS walks around at 225-230 and GSP walks around at 185.
Kos is by far the most interesting fight for BJ at 170. He’s well-rounded, can match BJ’s KO power, and has great wrestling, but not as big and strong as GSP. Kos is one of the smaller WWs and BJ is a big LW. I imagine they walk around within 10 lbs of each other.
Sad but true about GSP
but what makes you think Kos would beat BJ? BJ IMO has far better striking, some of the best TDD you’ll find, a head like a rock, and some of the best BJJ in the UFC. What does Kos have for BJ? other than size and wrestling? Koscheck is nowhere near as big and strong as GSP he may be as good a wrestler but size played a big part in the effectiveness of GSP’s wrestling and control. Kos probably could take BJ down, but I think that BJ would either sweep him or sub him. I don’t think Kos has anything for BJ.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Really? I don't have Kos beating BJ.
Just yesterday my brother an I were saying that I would like to see Kos and BJ train together to see if or how often Kos can get BJ to the ground.
Kos was scared to go to the ground with Diego when they fought, so I don’t even think he would want to be on the ground with BJ in his nightmares. As for standing, if Paulo Thiago can clip Kos with a counterpunch, BJ’s hands would embarass him.
I’m not sure if Fitch’s top control (2nd best in WW division) would be enough to keep BJ ineffective from his guard. Fitch would enjoy a monster reach advantage, but BJ would get the W.
As for Alvez, I think he has the best chance to beat BJ out of all the above fighters. Standing, he can use his leg kicks to really wear BJ down. Also, his all around muay thai is nothing to sneeze at. Plus, BJ would be a significant size disadvantage. In this fight, I wouldn’t be surprised to see BJ shoot in for a takedown on Alvez
by ViolentMike on Dec 14, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
What would he do if he got BJ to the ground? = GET SUBMITTED!!!!!!!!
by ViolentMike on Dec 14, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't BJ pick up some kind of rib injury in the round just before that happened?
plus BJ is in much better shape now than he was back then, and Kos hasn’t got as much muscle on him as Hughes did. and I don’t think he is as good as an in his primme hughes
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Dec 14, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Better in the stand up? OJR?
Kos has one punch. Matt had a chin.
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neither man touches BJ on the feet
I’m talking about being able to control BJ on the ground, Hughes could but I don’t think Kos would.
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I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Dec 14, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Could he take him down though?
Aside from GSP, has anyone been able to take BJ down and do anything with it?
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I think Kos probably could take him down eventually
the dude was ncaa 1st division, but I think BJ would be more than comfortable to fight on the ground with Kos
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
I underestimated the deadly skills of one of the greatest HWs in the world, Frank Mir. I wrote that because I lost a bet but honestly, he really did impress me. I'm well on the Frank wagon
by Spinning Fat Kick on Dec 14, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Kos has
very publicly worked on very little but striking for quite some time now, I’m sure he maintains his wrestling, but his focus has been on striking. how will his groungd game have evolved?
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by Spinning Fat Kick on Dec 14, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
They're both sad standing
But I’ve seen Matt throw a combo, other than, Left jab-over hand right. That is all Kos has. So technically Hughes has the better stand up.
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Kos has Ko'ed a bunch of no-names
Trigg, Yoshida and Haze. Compared to Penn, Sakurai, Gracie and Carlos Newton. I’d say Hughes has the better resume.
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KOing Trigg and Yoshida doesn't help his case.
He has only KO’d a young inexperienced Haz. Most of his fights are decisions. He has no KO power. Only knocks guys out that refuse to watch tape on him.
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I agree with no giving him credit(I give him the amount he deserves).
I like the fact that he is a fans fighter, he has saved a few cards recently. And watching him KO that woman beater was one of my favorite MMA moments. But he hasn’t gotten a title shot for a reason. He is inconsistent and bordering on being the stupidest fighter in the UFC Just not a fan is all, OJR. You understand.
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I HATE HUGHES
and i hate that carlos newton had him unconscious, and he still won the stupid fight
"When I started, I used to go off just instincts. Then they took head butts away, so I had to learn some skills." - Mark Coleman
BJ is too small
Even with wordclass cardio, BJs smaller frame does not allow him to have a chance at 170.
Then again, we have never seen a ripped BJ Penn. I never thought he would be in the shape is he is in today so one never knows.
Even if BJ gets ripped and packs on muscle, he still doesn’t have the reach like GSP would.
As for LW's outside of the UFC....
Shinya Aoki has worse standup than Jake Shields, and yes his BJJ is world class, but so is BJ’s. The problem is that Shinya would not even be able to get BJ to the ground. His takedown’s suck and BJ’s td defense is second to none. I would be much more interested in seeing BJ and Shinya put on a grappling match at a UFC event than have them fight MMA, because BJ’s world class boxing would put Shinya to sleep in the first round.
As for Eddie, his boxing is way to wild. BJ would simply counter punch and pick him apart. Plus, BJ has never been dropped or cut in a fight. In the majority of Alvarez’s wins, he either got dropped in the fight from a punch, or he comes out looking like a grenade exploded on his face, or most likely both of those scenarios. Plus, his he would not be able to get BJ down, nor would he want to because BJ would sub him just as quick as Shinya did. The two of them would just bang it out, and BJ’s hands would DOMINATE Eddie’s hands. Eddie has been KO’ing a bunch of Japanese and Bellator fighters alot of whom are not know for their hands, and even they are able to floor Eddie during the fight.
BJ was/is/and will be the best LW fighter of all time.
Bj is a very different fighter now
that he has improved his S+C but he will never be as big and powerful as GSP and GSP will probably use that to win if they fight again, however it’s so rare that two top p4p guys go at it that I would pay to watch if it happened.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
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by Spinning Fat Kick on Dec 14, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Diego Sanches!!!!
YES YES, Diego Sanchesu r nothing!!!!! YES YES
Puck head, really?
Do either of those guys deserve a rematch already? Not interested in seeing that, yet.
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Yawn
If the last fight against GSP had even been remotely close I would be interested in seeing a 3rd fight. Under the circumstances I am not really bothered if BJ wants to eat more burgers and step back up to 170.
Me either.
When is enough, enough? Every time BJ has a new trainer or idea, he wants a rematch with GSP. Forget BJ. If he does beat GSP in a rematch(some how), does GSP make this a best of 5? Forget BJ/GSP, been there, done that.
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it wasnt close ur right
but i think bj will bring the right tool next fight.ah say a degreaser
Obviously...
There are three main possibilities in Fitch, Kos & Alves. What I want to know is who is the single remaining fight @ 155 with? Edgar, Griffin & Maynard are all close IMO. At the moment I’m more interested in who he will fight next at 155 than I am who he fights @ WW. Not to say I don’t care, but first things first
Edgar lost to Maynard and is smaller than Gray...
He’s the worst option of the three.
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And Edgar has nothing for BJ standing
His punches are too weak. Diego and Florian both own Edgar. On the ground and standing. How did those fights with BJ go?
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OJR, has he evolved into a fighter worth paying to see fight BJ?
He hasn’t even evolved enough to beat Maynard. Edgar is top 10 LW, nothing higher.
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Set it up then.
Maynard’s wrestling is 1000X better than Edgar’s. 1000X. Edgar should be fighting at 145. What division wrestler was he? Had to be division 2 school or something. Because he is the weakest wrestler I’ve ever seen fight.
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I think he was at Rutgers
I know he coaches there. But I agree, Edgar is just too small to be a serious threat to anyone. He got muscled around by veach and maynard, he has the right skills to be a force in the division just the size is too much of a factor and he is not overwhelmeingly good in one area to make up for that size disadvantage
dude.....i am
Not because he outstruck him.
Veach is a nobody, and was winning that round.
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Maynard has to be far above him on the contenders list.
You have to agree with that? Maynard is the same fighter as Edgar. But bigger, smarter, stronger.
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I find neither exciting, and Edgar can't have a title shot over Maynard due to the excitement factor.
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Potential and no opponent for Penn
He already had a win over Guida, Florian and Stevenson. He is the second best fighter in the LW division, without having to prove it. Plus Penn has no one to fight.
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I say let him fight Frankie and Maynard, then have him move up.
Give him a tune-up fight before a contender. Maybe Swick, or a rubber-match with Hughes.
After that, he should fight whichever one of the Top 3 (outside GSP) is available at the time, because IMO, they’re all more-or-less on the same level, despite posing different challenges.
Why Frankie
What is with you guys and Frankie Edgar? Do you think Frankie would fare well against SAnchez, Florian, Maynard? Frankie is filler in the LW division. He doesn’t deserve to be on the same card as Penn.
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Well if Frankie keeps winning, and impressively, against good opponents, then why not?
I’d rather he got another fight against a top contender first tbh, because beating Veach doesn’t really count for much IMO, so if Maynard can get by Diaz, he should get the next shot.
Maybe have Frankie fight Florian next, or Diego, then BJ if he gets past them.
But I do think he’s up there.
C'mon Jay
Frankie just beat Matt Veach – OF COURSE he deserves a title shot! LOL
by ViolentMike on Dec 14, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
If/When Frankie fights another top guy he will lose.
SO I guess it doesn’t matter anyway. Frankie can’t beat Penn, Sanchez, Florian, Guida, Maynard, Griffin. Why even bring his name up when talking title shots?
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Look at who Frankie has beat though.
He did beat Griffin, Franca, Sherk, Jim Miller, Spencer Fischer, Bocek, and the list goes on. He lost to Maynard, but he is 6-1 now in the UFC. Frankie def is up there for a title shot. Interesting to see what happens with Maynard and Diaz, and now that Florian beat Guida and BJ beat Diego, it’s anyones guess who is next in line. I still think that Frankie can hang with anyone you mentioned, but BJ would present the most problems for him.
Moving up in weight is hard, fighting BJ Penn after the weight gain is suicide.
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Like Faber or Torres in a 150 lb catch weight bout.
by ViolentMike on Dec 14, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Just for the sake of hurting a young exciting fighter?
None of those guys have a chance against BJ. Waste of a fight.
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I don't see the size as much of an issue with this matchup though.
Unless BJ decides he needs to take it to the ground should Aldo start getting him in the standup. Even then Aldo showed some great takedown defense against Mike Brown (great wrestler).
Aldo should be able to hang on the feet better than Diego. Where size becomes a factor is when takedowns come into account.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 14, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Can Aldo hurt BJ? Probably not. Can BJ hurt Aldo? With everything that touches him.
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Ok, you can give BJ the nod in punching power...
But are you telling me Aldo wouldn’t be able to hurt BJ because of a small weight difference? That’s kind of ridiculous. Either one of them touches you it’s going to hurt.
I understand being larger helps but speed also plays a big part in force. f=ma
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 14, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no, I didn't mean Aldo has no power.
He is a phenomenal fighter, I love watching him. But, he wouldn’t hurt Penn. Penn can take a shot like no other.
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Yeah, that's true.
It’s funny BJ probably hit himself more after the match than Diego ever did during it.
Aldo still has work to do at featherweight anyways. I just thought that was probably the best matchup out of the featherweights that could move up. Faber would get owned. Mike Brown wouldn’t be able to get it down and it’d look like Diego Sanchez all over again.
by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 14, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agree HLT. Aldo is the best option to move up.
But no one is a better option.
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aldo is great where he is..
he would expierance pain against bj. they’re both nova uniao black belts so they both essentially know that bj nullifyies aldo on the ground. aldo has sick muay thai and speed but bj has the power, speed and counter punching. not to metion big show expierance.
BJ > all LW/FW
"i just want to be known as the greatest of all time, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
make it through fitch & alves first
I say match him up against two much bigger opponents like Fitch (great tuneup for wrestling) and Alves (great tuneup for size) then fight GSP. BJ looks great but I want to see him put on more muscle mass and improve his take down defense for GSP.
What can BJ do differently to change the outcome of the GSP fights
GSP is better than BJ everywhere. Same as BJ is better than any LW every where. BJ can’t beat GSP.
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Agreed
There’s better fights for him, in WW and even at lower/catchweights.
It’s starting to get annoying anyway. I can sort of appreciate the fact that he doesn’t want to give up and stuff, but you need to know when it’s time to call it a day. He doesn’t have anything for GSP. It’s sort of becoming like the WW version of the Mir/Lesnar Saga (Although I think Mir has a better chance of beating Lesnar than BJ does GSP).
No point for another rematch
GSP is far superior against BJ. First fight was close but the second was utter destruction. A third would be a submission loss……GSP is too big for BJ. It would be no different than if GSP were to fight Silva – I would say that Silva would knock out GSP in the second round. Size makes a big difference, plus all of the skill that goes along with it.
by hairybumcrack on Dec 14, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Plus do we want to have another round of BJ's mom sticking up for whatever excuse BJ comes up with?
Fuck BJ and his mom. I don’t want to hear another excuse out of either of them. This fight must never happen, so BJ never gets his piece of mind back.
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hi hater.
what fighter doesn’t want to avenge losses to a person they actually can beat?
he should have won the first meeting..and i wont get into detail of the second..we all seen that glossy shine of the v.
"i just want to be known as the greatest of all time, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
Here we go again
We went through that stupid arguement for over 4 months….no point in raising that crap again. Get on with life and I hope for a 3rd meeting so we can watch JB “fight until death” once again.
KOS, Fitch, or even Alves would beat JB, so a good fight would be against Alves so he could smoke JB with flying knees, punches to his cabbage head, or some severe GNP. He gets past him then there should be a rematch.
by hairybumcrack on Dec 14, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
hairybumcrack and jay
i know we’ve been through this..im not saying its the reason he lost but it does give “the greatest ww of all time” a slight advantage. opinions are like assholes..everyone’s stinks.
kos would be the first guy bj beats. sorry. he has nothing to offer bj. hands not so great..wrestling is great but not great enough…what else does he have?
fitch? all he has is size..alves is an animal..but he has flaws..
"i just want to be known as the greatest of all time, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
i'd go into more detail but i'm at work.
"i just want to be known as the greatest of all time, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
alright
so, what tools do you see alves, fitch and kos have to beat bj? i honestly see him dropping all three of them and rnc’ing them. i see no takedowns on bj.
"i just want to be known as the greatest of all time, is that too much to ask?" - BJ Penn.
the new and improved bj..
has such good boxing and accuracy that he could hurt gsp..more so than the last showing..bj has re focused and it shows..but whether he could gain weight to make it to ww with the same intensity he had in this fight..i dunno..i am a huge fan of gsp and he made bj look like a crap fighter (which he is not) and so if they ever did get the 3rd fight..bj would be more prepared..
sure he can
sure he can there is a thing in the market called degreaser you know
Its Inevtiable
that BJ is goping to moveup as there are no legit threats to his belt on the horizon at LW.
I think he takes Fitch with his striking and tdd and the fact that fitch cant finish a fight.
I dont think he gets past alves becasue of the size and striking advantage.
where does that leave him?
fighting Renzo or Hughes as a fill in main event for the next plagued card
dude.....i am
gauranteed one of BJ's demands is going to be to face GSP again or he's done fighting
Another fight against someone at LW then a fight against a contender at WW and if successfull why not GSP if BJ is beats one of the top cntenders GSP still needs to defend his belt. If BJ can beat the #1 contender so be it.
penn cant...
and won’t beat GSP.
"When I started, I used to go off just instincts. Then they took head butts away, so I had to learn some skills." - Mark Coleman
Guys that are left for BJ
They will probably give him Frankie. I also think you can say Grey could give him a little bit of trouble as well. So 1 maybe, 2 people left. If he goes to Welter, give him Fitch
Bj is the man!
i wud still luv to see him throw down with Alvarez, Hansen,Aoki, even Gomi! The Ufc lw’s have nothing 2 offer bj
GSP should be a man and drop to 160
I mean BJ went into a class where he was much smaller to get competition, why doesn’t GSP drop down….it’s only 10 lbs…or KOS or Fitch
Robert(1), that is the first time I've ever seen you post nonsense like that.
Whenever I see that mug shot, I read. Usually you are brilliant and I agree with almost everything you say, but. WHAT!?! Why should GSP hurt himself to lose more weight, just to satisfy cry-baby PENN? Makes zero sense, please explain what GSP gains from this.
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Only a JB lover would request that
And his estranged lover Dana would probably request this catch weight fight so that they both can claim that JB is the best ppp fighter out there. Then he’d ask Silva to fight at 175lbs catch weight and Lesnar to fight at 180lbs.
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by The real ZACK on Dec 14, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Catchweight won't happen
Not only would GSP not ever be able to weigh in at 160 without sacrificing a lot of muscle mass, BJ wouldn’t accept the fight at a catchweight because he wants the belt and it’s a 170lb belt, meaning it would not be on the line in a catchweight bout.
by Danza Macabra on Dec 14, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot about that Danza
Penn wants the 170 belt, a catchweight fight wouldn’t even get him the belt. I doubt he wants to be embarrassed by GSP again without any potential reward. Good point.
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I don't know about that
I think the belt is a bonus, but I think Penn just wants to beat GSP. I think 160 is a little light for GSP, but 165 is reasonable. There isn’t much to gain for GSP but there is a lot to gain for Dana White and the UFC. This minor weight change makes the fight twice as marketable.
hey Robert
Weren’t you warned about the damages that smocking crack can do to your brain? Pull yourself out of there.
I rewatched BJ vs GSP II last night...
And BJ did surprisingly well in the first round – with both guys fresh. There were ZERO takedowns, BJ’s tdd was too much for GSP.
Now – that BJ’s cardio is a non factor – can he hold out for 2-3 rounds without getting put on his back?
If you watch the round inbetween 1-2 you can see Phil Nurse massage GSPs mid back (with or without grease) – and to this day – im still amazed at how easily GSP got out of BJ’s guard, mission control/omaplata
sorry to bring back greasegate – and i know GSPs is the MASTER at passing guard, ground and pound – but ive never ever seen BJ’s guard broken so easily so early by anyone else
just sayin’ – their 3rd fight might actually be more competitive ESPECIALLY if it was at a catch weight of 165 (which will never happen)
His improvements mean he won't gas against the Sanchez's and Florian's of the world
A bigger tank is going to do nothing against someone like GSP. He wasn’t tired in that fight either, but GSP is to big and to smart to lose to Penn.
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He knows what's coming
Your really think GSP need vaseline to control and pass BJ’s guard?
GSP is something else… just like BJ but he’s smaller.
I think you underestimate the knowledge of GSP. He knows exactly in what kind of situation he is in BJ’s guard.
After all… BJ almost catch him with a omoplata in the 1st fight.
Penn gains weight to
satisfy fans for a super fight and yes himself but me and you want to see great fights…Penn at 170 is useless…. believe it or not I stopped watching the 2 nd fight with Penn vs GSP after the 2nd rd….I don’t want to be conned anymore with crappy fights being fed to us = Chuck vs Tito 3 and Randy vs Coleman is disgusting, shame on UFC, a third fight with Penn vs GSP is in the same league, Penn will get tooled and me and you will have spent $50 bucks for it, it’s a con, Penn will never beat GSP at 170 and this is coming from a Penn fan, Now GSP if he wants competition and gets past Hardy, I will get excited about Penn vs GSP at 160 but I know it wont happen and is a silly mention but it’s just as silly for Penn to move up in weight…that being said….I don’t believe fighters need to drop or gain weight for fights, I rather have them stay in their weight classes and clean house intill they retire or lose, Saturtday night was pure Brilliance and I will pay for more of it, lets not forget Penn has a total of 2 defences of his title, not many at all, let him fight, Maynard Hurta, Diaz and Florian and some WEC fighters and then in 2 yrs have them start talking about moving up…..its just as silly as GSP moving down to fight Penn at 155-160 then it is for him to move up and vice versa GSP at 185 is dumb as well
Why not move up?
There are simply no lightweights out there in the same league as B.J. He’s already beaten the best at 155, with the exception of Maynard. But let’s face it, Maynard barley squeaked past Huerta. Penn will kill Gray. And Aoki? Please. I can name 10 lightweights in the UFC that can beat him. He’s one dimensional. I know this may sound premature, but I would love to see Penn/Aldo, if Aldo beats Faber. They’re the same size and it would be a hell of a fight. Besides Aldo, 170 could produce numerous intriguing match-ups. Swick/Penn, Alves/Penn, Kos/Penn to name a few. Just because he can’t beat GSP doesn’t mean that he can’t beat the rest. Same goes for GSP. We all know he can’t beat Anderson, but there’re other fights at 185 that would be fun to watch. Once a fighters cleaned out his division, he’s doing his fans and himself a disservice by sticking around.
Logic stands
I believe if there was a third fight it would be completely different. Penn used cheeseburgers to bulk up in weight, was unconditioned, and didn’t train with greats for GSP v BJ II. GSP v BJ III is plausible.. ONLY If Penn put on lean muscle mass the RIGHT way, continued cross training with greats, and kept his gas tank. This isn’t a 2-3 month process. To put enough lean muscle mass on and keep off the “BJ belly” would be a challenge, but if anyone could do it it would be Marv. I believe Reggie Bush is an excellent example. Put on 20-30 lbs of lean mass right after he went to the NFL. If BJs discipline didn’t fail than I could imagine that marv could create a thicker, stronger, leaner, more explosive, and quicker BJ Penn. He has to do it right though. Than AFTER he does the weight right, than he should fight a fitch or alves. And if he beats them convincingly he shot get one more shot at GSP. That is the only way I see BJ standing a chance. The 165 BJ cannot beat the 199 GSP.
by Pain on Dec 14, 2009 2:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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well gsp such a woozz he has d frame for a middle weight but wont move up all he needs 2 do is bring more vaseline and he will have 2 belts after the night is over
Let him prove it!
If he can beat a couple of WW contenders let him take a 3rd shot at GSP, but I doubt he beats GSP. I’M STILL PUMP ABOUT SEEING DIRTY GET HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM! BJ BJ BJ BJ BJ! one question where’s Alpha’s video/gif of the head kick? Did Mania take it down?
Really? A third ass beating?
He’s beaten him twice, and BJ still wants more. I wonder what BS excuse he’ll manufacture this time after Rush owns him again.
by CantStopTheRUSH on Dec 14, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions
I don't think it will top the vasoline excuse.
There’s no way he or anyone could ever top that one. LOL
Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.
if bj goes to welterwieght and he is "fat bj" then i won't even watch.
i was surprised he didn’t gas against diego. maybe that new training is paying off. if he keeps it up and puts on 15 pounds of muscle he could beat anyone at welterweight.
by Conan the Barbarian on Dec 14, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions
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BJ has been walking around close to the 155 weight…….where before, he was walking around close the the 170 weight.
His cardio has been good but with the extra weight……..i don’t see it. I love BJ but agree, I think he should fight a could contenders before GSP. It might be good for him.
15 lbs of muscle is alot to put on his frame. It would take a long time and equally as long to be able to cut to fight at 155. He would almost have to abandon the 155 ranks altogether to make a true run in 170.
BJ could fight 145…….. the guys fighting in 170 are guys that truely middleweight , some even light heavyweights……..
Gsp & Bj are both great fighters but they have very different styles. Gsp has unstoppable take downs and amazing strength and atheletic ability. Lately, he’s just been overwhelming his opponents on the ground and getting a decision or tko. Meanwhile, Bj uses his incredible takedown defense to keep the fight standing and just dominates his opponents with his standup. From there, either ko’s them or beats them to the ground where he subs them.
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