Paul Buentello: The fans knew who the real winner was at UFC 107
by Jesse Holland on Dec 13, 2009 1:00 PM EST
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"I feel like I did enough, I could have done a little bit more, but the fans watched the fight. I was in the fight so it's hard to judge it until I watch it on TV. I just needed that one extra [burst] of aggression. I should have put more pressure on him, but the fans watched it and they saw something. I knew I did some good things. It's pretty cool that the fans knew who the real winner was. I felt good, I wasn't tired but I may have given him a little too much respect on his knee but then again I had to reach down deeper. Some times you just have to grab your (expletive) and go -- and that's one thing I didn't do."
Returning UFC heavyweight Paul Buentello eats a few sour grapes after his majority decision loss to Stefan Struve at UFC 107: "Penn vs. Sanchez" on Dec. 12. After being controlled in the opening stanza, "The Headhunter" had an impressive second round, dropping the "Skyscraper" with a hard right and controlling the action. Unfortunately he failed to capitalize on that momentum and was content to stalk the towering Dane throughout the third -- eating a plethora of leg kicks in the process. Perhaps Buentello "feared the consequences" but in the process may have handed Struve the decision win. Any Maniacs out there calling this one a robbery?
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judging issues.
round 2 shouldve been a 10-8 round so it should be a draw at the very least.why are judges so scared to give a 10-8 round?
good question?
I didn’t disagree wih the decision
by McArthur... on Dec 13, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
A 10-8 rnd is when a fighter is completely dominated, and that is not what happened.
The first rnd could have been a 10-8 for Stuve also you know? That wasn’t a robbery and it’s very clear that Paul didn’t won that fight.
by Alpha Male. on Dec 13, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I DIDNT SAY HE WON
i just thought it was a draw.i agree Struve won rounds 1 and 3 but i wouldve called round 2 a 10-8.good jod im not a judge then with the wonderful job they are doing!!
lol
I’m sure that you could do a better job than Cecil People anyway.
by Alpha Male. on Dec 13, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Struve won the 1st 10-8 i thought… then lost 9-10 in the 2nd, won 10-9 in the 3rd… although a lot happened in Rnd 2, just because Struve got floored doesn’t mean it should have been a 10-8. Buentello got hit with some good shots too and Struve was right in there.
Dunno what that fat mexican is thinking, but i know who the real winner was, Stefan Struve…
by Synyster_08 on Dec 13, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Clear Cut
No controversy here at all… Struve won rds 1 and 3 with rd 1 probably being 10-8… 29-27 Struve, no doubt. NO way Buentello won rd 3, he did nothing at all and didnt check a single leg kick. Struve easily
by PHISH NATION on Dec 13, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Scott, how the hell can you callround 2 10-8? Because Struve hit the mat when he got punched while in the air? The only round that could even be considered a 10-8 was the first round for Struve. He also controlled the third round. That should have been at worst 29-28 Struve, maybe 29-27.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
u cant give one without the other
i remember struve blocking a lot of punches with his face in the 2nd so i coupled that with the knockdown.but on reflection struve probably deserves to be given the 1st round 10-8 so yeah struve did win it to be fair i just thought it was close.
I was a little disappointed that Struve didn’t do more with that back mount and body triangle in the first. He could have at least landed some damaging shots to Buentello instead of just trying to choke him without beating him up. Still, 1 and 3 were definitely Struve, no controversy.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
I feel the same way that you do, P.
I was really disappointed too.
by Alpha Male. on Dec 13, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't fault anyone who would give rd 1 10-8 to Struve
Since Buentello lost every second of that round. I just didn’t think that Struve’s offense was of any significant quality. This is one of those weird occassions that it’s not the damage that speaks about the round.
Rd -2 Paul
Rd -3 Struve.
Could you guys imagine how bad Duffee would have trucked Paul? And also what terrible fight instincts in rds 1 and 2 from struve. With all that reach he just kept entering Paul’s range and gettin raked with shots. He did virtually 0 body work in the clinch or from distance on all that pudge. A flying knee when you knee already is normally eye level with the other guy? Just brought various degrees of shame on Holland – the land of Strikers. When he figure foured him in the 1st also , he essentially took any mobility away from himself while in the past he’s shown that his guard is much more dangerous from his other arsenals. Hopefully he gets more mass, develops a jab and works on fighting with strategy.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 13, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Keep Buentello in the UFC
Buentello would have won this under Jap / old Pride judging but lost it on the 10 point system because of a handful of leg kicks in the 3rd. Struve was on the money when he called it a draw.
I think Buentello vs Kongo, Yvel, Barry, Dufee, Schaub, Kimbo are all fights worth watching for entertainment value and I hope the UFC keep him around.
And the guy above this comment “NNR” says this wasnt a knockdown
NNR quote from further down the page – “It was equivalent to a trip” “He simply fell from mid air.”
hahaha WTF! NNR please stop commenting on MMA, you have no idea what youre talking about and nobody can take you seriously.
please stop commenting on MMA, you have no idea what youre talking about and nobody can take you seriously
That goes especially for you dipshit!
I think Buentello vs Kongo, Yvel, Barry, Dufee, Schaub, Kimbo are all fights worth watching for entertainment value and I hope the UFC keep him around.
Dumbass, he would get killed by Kongo, Yvel, Barry and Duffee.
you have no credebility son
aren’t you the same “why the?” who said overeem would kill Remy in the K-1?
how did that work out for you genius?
Amale – why get involved and make a d!ck out of yourself.
Here is the picture at the top of the post that why the? commented on
It clearly shows the fighters groups and each fighters route to the final, the whole point of my comment was that overeem didnt even make it to the match with Remy never mind killing him.
Why do i constantly have to explain obvious things to the low IQ’s on this site?
Next time you have an idea Amale, think it through before you waste my time with it, you dullard.
Dude you're so retarded that you can't even explaining correctly what you mean.
Sorry to have wasting your precious time for trolling fn prick, lol
alpha - who the fuck is this a$$hole
I can’t even keep track of these little tards who pop up after seeing youtube HLs challenging us.
zing – my credibility on this site was solid long before you even knew what ultimate cagefighting was so go fuck yourself. I would run circles around you all day long about any combat sport on the planet.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 14, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
boo hoo you two…
nnr you called thst knockdown a trip, duuuuuuuuuuhhhh you may have been watching this stuff for a long time but you still don’t know sh!t
amale – seems youre the only one who didnt understand what i meant – youre a “special case” in all senses
by the way – i have been posting on this site for about 2 years, when it used to be ufc mania. my old name was paniczoo
i came on one night and it had changed to sb nation so for a laugh i registered all the regulars names and posted pictures of them in gay situations, needless to say i got banned, they even banned my ip, but now im ressurected as ziiiiing and will continue to take the piss out of you lot who think you know it all like nnr. what an idiot. for what its worth i been watching this since ’95 and i know my sh!t deep so dont mess or you will get exposed
ohhhh
Fuck tard peniszoo is back from the asylum. Now that make sense. Hey dipshit keep playing with your marsupials in your backyard fn dumbass and stop coming in here. Your absence wasn’t even noticed till now. I wonder how I couldn’t even recognize your stupidity with your stupid incoherent rambling as always.
Mac were you talking to me?
If so…zoobird got expose by a few guys here and I never really got into those debates b/c he was already getting ridiculize with his stupidity. I even told him once that he’s a good compu wiz b/c of his caf and highlights vids that he does. Plus for the only argument that we had about Cro Cop/Dos Santos I gave him a reply the next day of the fight, telling him that I was wrong and that I was sorry. I just don’t get why now that he’s got his stupid handle “ziiiiing” he come in here for calling me or other regulars names for no reasons. If you think that I’ll back down for this retarded Aussie you’re seriously mistaken and you can be certain that I’ll be on his case like a hawk from now on if he keeps up with his game.
exposed?
i never got exposed, au contraire, i was the one doing the exposing and because im not here to make friends i dont get involved in your poncey little cliques,
im just here to set the record straight because a lot of people read this website without commenting and there are so many biased and ill informed regulars posting their opinions as fact on here that you need to be put in your place from time to time incase you lead the more gullible mma fans astray
thanks macarthur – i commented that i like beuntello and to keep him in the ufc and i then put that idiot nnr in his place on the knockdown – so why do you, amale or anyone else feel the need to respond? nnr was the only person i called out, and that was because he was WRONG how is that an attention whore?
Buentello is a very capable striker
the boxing skill he showed against Baby Fedor was perfect. Struve made him look bad because of his height, if he wasn’t so tall, the outcome would have have been different. I have always been a Buentello fan, but I do think he lost this one. I think if Buentello doesn’t have such a height disadvantage, he would give any fighter in that division a hard time on his feet. Kongo has a serious problem of not keeping his hands up to protect his head when he fights, someone as seasoned as Buentello could take advantage of that. He displayed a solid chin as well. Who cares if he will never where the belt as long as he puts on exciting matches. He should have been brought back a while ago an so should Trevor Prangley.
the judging in mma is terrifying, and it keeps it from becoming a sport.
I always get annoyed hearing Rogan/Goldberg say “oh, he may have won that round”. cut the crap, did he or did he not win the round!? They have to get things straightened out, and make it clear for what scores the most in the standup&/ground. A knockdown should definitely score more then it does today, it should be impossible for the other fighter to come back to win a round where he’s dropped unless he comes back to drop the other guy or locks in a real close submission. So, 10-8’s should be given more often in rounds where knockdowns and real close submission occurs, 10-10 rounds should also be given more often where it’s close and nothing significant happens, finally a round where one fighter completely dominates is a 10-7 round just like in boxing and kickboxing!
I agree completely
Judges are too scared to give 10-8 or 10-10 rounds, that is where the problem lies. There needs to be a big discussion on what offense scores the most, because the generic 10-9 scores are not working, too many people are getting wins after being beaten up for most of the fight.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
The problem with that is
that there are only 3 rounds (most of the time) in mma compared to 10-12 rounds in boxing. If a fighter in mma is given a 10-8 round then it is almost impossible for the other fighter to come back and win the fight unless he finishes it. That is why the criteria for a 10-8 round is a lot harder to achieve compared to boxing. There are times where a 10-8 round is warranted depending on position, damage done and other offense. There definitely should be more 10-10 rounds.
Struve, 29-28, he took the 1st and 3rd.
by C O R on Dec 13, 2009 11:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
What's Paul on about
Stefan won the fight easily. I thought it was a fun fight to watch but Stefan won the 1st and 3rd lost the 2nd.
Lol what a fucking blind loser, and so is anyone who thought he won
Struve won CLEARLY.
The crowd was just being typical ignorant and siding with the hispanic fighter, typical.
by Lester The Pimp on Dec 13, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions
WTF Lester?
I gave you the benefit of the doubt on that Nazi clothing line issue, but do not abuse my generous nature. People were cheering for two guys who went back and forth at each other for 15 minutes.Stop looking for anti-white racial double standards where there are none. You’re better than that.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.
meh
he’s might b right i cant think of any other reason why they would boo
And then God said "Let there be light," to which Chuck Norris replied, "say please."
just another in a long line of dissapointments for you frosty
Frosty on Alan Belcher: “what a tool!” “I hope Gouveia kos this fool.”
You must have loved this then you d!ck.
I was in Memphis at the fight and the crowd was yelling “Struuuuuuve” which sounded like boos and led Mr. Buentello to think folks were booing the decision. I thought Headhunter may have edged him just because the last round was slow and I was staring at this hottie a couple rows down from me who was falling out of her top so my attention was divided…but pretty much everyone around me felt Skyscraper won.
by Captain Ernesto on Dec 13, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Does it really matter?
Buentello doesn’t stand a chance with the majority of the UFC heavy weights. Especially with the good wrestlers. So win or loose last night…does it really matter?
If i were a judge
I probably would have taken round 2 from Buentello simply for not even trying to capatalize on the knock down and letting him up.
Also that knock down wasn't really a knockdown
It was equivalent to a trip IMO. Struve wasn’t buzzed or anything. He simply fell from mid air.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Dec 13, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
simply fell from mid-air
gee, I wonder what caused him to do a silly thing like that?!? His trajectory was strangely reminiscent of Arlovski and Maia. Strange weather we’re having, fighters just falling from the sky for no reason….hmmm
Also...
This is only my third post ever and somewhat off topic,but i watched the Machida/Shogun fight for the first time last night in full,on spike. And in no way did Shogun win that fight. Machida first three rounds EASY! Maybe not if Rogan was a judge though.
Sorry
just had to get that off my chest.But it does seem to be the cornerstone of the recent judging problems.
It was a close fight.
I thought Paul would have been given the win for landing the heavier shots, he hurt Struve twice.
no question about the result
struve was a clear cut winner, anyone that reaches the scorecards always has a chance, i’ve been battered from pillar to post, and totally dominated, but have still thought i won, mainly through concussion or something else, but i think struve won comfortably, and i really look forward to see what he will be able to accomplish in about 5 years or so
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 13, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions
how would you change the judging???
the only way i can think of a fairer judging system is if you have one judge for every discipline, a wrestling judge, a jj judge and a stand up judge, and maybee a g&p judge, and then tot up all the scores at the end, but still use the 10 point system, it would be complicated, but it would evenly score all the disciplines of mma, fuck, my head hurts just thinking about it
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 13, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions
No problems with the decision
Struve clearly won the first and last rounds, dominating the first. You could make a case for round 1 being 10-8 Struve and round 2 10-8 Paul but the right man won. Buentello isn’t very good and once again showed that he can’t grapple while Stefan needs to improve his striking dramatically if he’s going to become a top HW. He should start training at one of the top K-1 camps in Holland, training with Semmy Schilt would do wonders for his striking.
"I’m in great shape...I feel 100% you know it’s nice to move my hips and not have any problems...I’ll take my loss as a man. I’m willing to die for my cause, are you?" Tito Ortiz before UFC 106
"I wasn’t able to spar at all...I had bulging disks...I want to see somebody fight with a cracked skull, I came in and stepped in with a cracked skull...why the fuck did you give that fight of the night?...for me not getting Fight of the Night I’m taken aback by it...I gave my heart and soul and to be robbed like that, yeah it is what it is." Tito Ortiz after UFC 106
my girlfrriend wont kiss me cos she says i've got flakey lips
but i think its cos i hate frank mir, and that i’m old(37)
by freedomthrtyfve on Dec 13, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions
For some reason,
I didn’t really enjoy that fight all that much! I won’t say Buentello won! But, he really did try to bring it to struve! So, props for that much!
by Dana's a Crossdresser on Dec 13, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions
i was a fan of round two..
the first round of a failed sub attempt was dull..this guy is young and will be a force..and buentello is a striker that won’t even go for take downs..i like em well rounded and i can’t say paul is..but i say that the winner of the fight was the winner..dunno what he was bitchin about.
Gah!
I hate the phrase ‘I did enough’. Well you know what? So did the other guy. Honestly I believe Struve won the fight. He ‘dominated’ round one and was pretty much able to match Buentello the other two rounds. Buentello did land a good shot but he wasn’t able to capitalize on it. If you want to win, either finish or dominate
+1 Smuckers – I thought i was the only one who noticed that (dane/ dutch mixup) – green jacket gold jacket who gives a shi*t
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